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Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: iplaw on April 26, 2007, 09:49:11 AM
What the..? (//%22http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0407/417884.html%22)

I'm sure people are going to love walking by this on their way to the next football game in Norman.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: AngieB on April 26, 2007, 10:14:36 AM
Any bets on how long that paver will last?

Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: sgrizzle on April 26, 2007, 10:18:09 AM
There are so many uncouth things I want to say but won't..

They say the memorials "normally cost $150."

How often does this come up?
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: Conan71 on April 26, 2007, 10:37:25 AM
I think that paver will have a distinct urine smell to it in a short amount of time.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: patric on April 26, 2007, 02:03:29 PM
Amazing how much press this is getting elsewhere...

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2436
and what a shame most of the original thread here on TulsaNow was deleted.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: TulsaFan-inTexas on April 26, 2007, 02:24:30 PM
Are they CRAZY? Why would you put up a memorial to someone who tried to KILL thousands of people? What the hell is this world coming to?
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: tim huntzinger on April 26, 2007, 02:27:01 PM
What is the issue here?  I thought officially he was not trying to hurt anyone but himself.  Sloppy public suicide, right?
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: Conan71 on April 26, 2007, 02:42:41 PM
Actually, the bomb was laden with shrapnel like nails.  That would pretty much show intent to harm other people.

I always figured his Muslim friends put him up to setting it off inside the stadium, he chickened out and the only way to save face was to blow himself up.

Patric had posted a story on the link to the other topic on this that said 1000 pounds of explosives were found in his apartment posthumously.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: YoungTulsan on April 26, 2007, 03:05:57 PM
I thought it said he tried unsuccessfully to purchase 1000lbs of ammonium nitrate.

I don't know whether to believe that article simply because if it is true, there is some f---ed up stuff going on around us.  David Boren, who was eating breakfast with George Tenet on 9/11, trying to cover up the islamic terror links to OU.  Hopefully his only motivation is to not make OU look bad to potential students.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: Cubs on April 26, 2007, 03:34:02 PM
It must be removed!!!!
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: Conan71 on April 26, 2007, 04:20:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YoungTulsan

I thought it said he tried unsuccessfully to purchase 1000lbs of ammonium nitrate.

I don't know whether to believe that article simply because if it is true, there is some f---ed up stuff going on around us.  David Boren, who was eating breakfast with George Tenet on 9/11, trying to cover up the islamic terror links to OU.  Hopefully his only motivation is to not make OU look bad to potential students.



Might have been edited by the troofers.  They quoted some fairly credible news outlets in the story but you'd have to go back and research every single outlet to see if that was really ever reported.

Usually though, people bent on committing suicide (at least outside the Middle East) don't do it with shrapnel bombs.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: jamesrage on April 29, 2007, 08:56:14 AM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

What the..? (//%22http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0407/417884.html%22)

I'm sure people are going to love walking by this on their way to the next football game in Norman.



It is nice to know I am not the only one who thinks giving a memorial to a potential suicide bomber is an absurd idea.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: Ed W on April 29, 2007, 09:39:49 AM
I looked at this somewhat differently.  Here's a father wanting to purchase a memorial for his son.  Regardless of how he died, his family grieves for the loss of a child.  The political spin and media controversy is a distant secondary to a grieving family.  In this case, a memorial is a symbol for loss: the loss of a child, the lost opportunities, and the lost chances of putting him on another path.

There are other memorials to some dubious (or worse) characters.  The Alfred Packer grill in a dining hall at the University of Colorado, for instance, is named after a notorious cannibal.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: tim huntzinger on April 29, 2007, 11:58:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ed W


There are other memorials to some dubious (or worse) characters.  The Alfred Packer grill in a dining hall at the University of Colorado, for instance, is named after a notorious cannibal.



Or putting a genocidal xenophobe on the $20 bill.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: jdb on April 29, 2007, 01:38:53 PM
I am with Ed on this.

History should include the Hero's, the Fiend's and even a few Commoner's.





Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: iplaw on April 30, 2007, 08:18:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ed W

I looked at this somewhat differently.  Here's a father wanting to purchase a memorial for his son.  Regardless of how he died, his family grieves for the loss of a child.  The political spin and media controversy is a distant secondary to a grieving family.  In this case, a memorial is a symbol for loss: the loss of a child, the lost opportunities, and the lost chances of putting him on another path.

There are other memorials to some dubious (or worse) characters.  The Alfred Packer grill in a dining hall at the University of Colorado, for instance, is named after a notorious cannibal.

Would you be okay with the families of the 9/11 hijackers putting up memorials on the former site of the WTC towers?
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: Conan71 on April 30, 2007, 09:07:43 AM
Everyone looks at things differently I guess.  If it were my child, I don't think I'd request a memorial on the spot where he blew himself up whilst ostensibly contemplating taking a lot more people with him. JMHO.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: patric on April 30, 2007, 11:20:42 AM
I wonder what the reaction would be to adding a chair at the OKC memorial for McVeigh.

...That would have been about the scale of it had Hinrichs not been stopped at the stadium gate.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: Conan71 on April 30, 2007, 11:22:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by patric

I wonder what the reaction would be to adding a chair at the OKC memorial for McVeigh.

...That would have been about the scale of it had Hinrichs not been stopped at the stadium gate.



Good points.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: Ed W on April 30, 2007, 07:31:51 PM
It's easy to hate a dead man.  The hard part is extending some compassion toward those he left behind.  Memorials are for the living because the dead don't care.  If his family finds solace in purchasing such a memorial, I see nothing wrong in that.  They'll be tortured with 'what if' questions for the rest of their lives.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: ttownclown on April 30, 2007, 10:04:06 PM
Memorials are for HONORING people.  This guy showed no honor. He showed up to the largest event in the state with a bomb. It shouldn't matter that the investigation said he didn't intend to hurt others because he put so many lives in danger!- It is truly unbelievable that we would reward him with an eternal place on campus for such an act.
Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: jdb on April 30, 2007, 11:13:19 PM
May have to change my initial post.
My impression was the "memorial" was nothing more then a paver with a chiseled name.

One paver among thousands.

Who's got a photo of this thing?
jdb

Title: Memorial for the OU nut
Post by: Conan71 on May 01, 2007, 11:02:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ed W

It's easy to hate a dead man.  The hard part is extending some compassion toward those he left behind.  Memorials are for the living because the dead don't care.  If his family finds solace in purchasing such a memorial, I see nothing wrong in that.  They'll be tortured with 'what if' questions for the rest of their lives.



That's fine, that is what tombstones are for.  As I remember the family is in Colorado Springs and I would venture a guess that is where his remains wound up.  Near his would be the appropriate place for the monument.

Memorials at the site of death are usually put there when people die in an accident or at the hands of someone else.