Wow finally some good local news braodcasting!
TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (1 of 3) (//%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNNCiVBuSg%22)
TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (2 of 3) (//%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2FBSncVpHw%22)
TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (3 of 3) (//%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Ft3BSkM9I%22)
Oh boy! YouTube Troof TV videos!
I have a slogan for you...
TulsaTruth TV: Information minus the Truth and the TV.
BTW, How's Rosie doing? I bet you're glad that fatty's on your side. [}:)]
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
Wow finally some good local news braodcasting!
TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (1 of 3) (//%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNNCiVBuSg%22)
TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (2 of 3) (//%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2FBSncVpHw%22)
TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (3 of 3) (//%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Ft3BSkM9I%22)
So which one of the mohawk morons is you?
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First of all Alti, go respond to the last post you made where I completely and totally discredited you within minutes. You never seem to respond to anything you dont like as if we are all going to forget you are an ignorant fool.
On with the show.
Episode 1:
Drum protest, awesome. I havent seen one of them since PCU. Although it could have been a 20 second bite "there was a protest march of diverse people etc. etc."
The best part was how it starts going into 911 conspiracy theories from nowhere. "We need to bring our troops home..." then it goes directly into "Bush Lies" and tin foil hats. Basically all the talking points you get if you google "conspiracy & 911"
I did enjoy the one standout from the heard, when asked about 911 instead of saying "its a conspiracy!" the pastor instead said he wished the administration would have reflected on the root causes of the middle East strife.
episode 2:
The coffin delivery was a good way to protest. If you are against the war or are afraid to see your loved ones go to war, basically, if you are going to protest - that's the way to do it.
They wanted:
1) bring the troops home
2) stop using Haliburton as a contractor
3) and End the war as soon as possible
I'm not entirely sure how #2 fits in nor what alternatives there are to using them. I've gone over this at length previously and wont bother doing so again. If we replaced them, there would just be another corporation filling the spot that these people would line up to hate.
Then it goes to more drumming and 911. We want war in Iraq because we hate them and fear them. They want them to end the war because they love and understand. Its all so clear now.
"Bring the troops home. Cut off spending. Kill homeland security & patriot act. Bring the troops home. Stop hate. We are compassionate, knowledgeable, and we love our country. Repeat. Call war supporters hating war mongers. Repeat. Variations. Repeat. "
They also display 655,000 as the number of Iraqi's killed as if it were hard fact (alongside the # of American's killed, which is hard fact). When search for statistics, the 655K is by far the HIGHEST number I could find. The number varies from 120,000 to 655,000 including dead Iraqi soldiers while they were fighting our invasion and insurgent deaths (ie. dead enemies). It is irresponsible to report either number as fact.
Episode 3:
1)
The report on the Mexican American war was totally irrelevant as soon as they said the American's "kidnapped the Mexican President." They over simplified the entire situation and failed to mention that the president had proclaimed himself dictator for life and was actively leading an army on a March burning Texas to the ground.
They made it sound like Santa Ana was sitting in his office praying to the Holy Virgin and American's marched in to Mexico D.F. and took him hostage.
Not that it wasnt an ugly affair. It was for sure a provoked conflict designed to gain land for the USA. So why speak about it in hyperbole? "We stole all those states from Mexico after provoking a war with them? That's horrible." They could check their history a little further and see that Spain stole it from the Indians and that the Mexican's stole it from Spain. Then we stole it from them. Ahhh, the circle of life.
2)
Spanish American war was equally horrible. We moved it there "to protect from :hand quotes:Spanish Aggression:end hand quotes:." They flat out said that we put powder kegs next to the boiler to blow up our own ship and kill hundreds of our own men. A claim that is frequently raised in tinfoil hat clubs and equally debunked by historians.
They neglected to mention that we found out it was a boil explosion about 120 years later and that there were other underlying reason for the war. Or, for that matter... that we granted freedom to the previously colonial nations of Guam, the Philippines, Cuba etc. We did NOT take over the islands we granted them independence with the exception of Guam and Puerto Rico - which chose to join the USA as protectorates and receive federal benni's but pay no taxes. Rough deal.
3)
WWI is my favorite. They again made it sound like there was one trigger that caused America to enter the war. The sinking of the Lusitania was NOT the only reason for the war nor do we really know to this day what was on board. It is strongly believed that it was acting as a munitions ship, but we dont know that. Reporting it as fact is irresponsible.
It is likely that the British were happy with the outcome. But there is no evidence that the British intentionally sent the ship to be destroyed. Convoys were not in common usage at this time and passenger ships had largely been spared - that's why it was a big deal when it was sunk. Thus, there was nothing strange about a lone ship in spite of what the tinfoil hats want to say.
again there is no proof that says "the British intentionally sent American's to die in order to force America into saving her in World War I." Again, the event was certainly used for this purpose and turned the nation from isolationist to pro-war but not in as deviant a way as claimed.
Here I thought the greater issue was the threat to long time allies, American trade, and the survival of 2/3's of the world democracies.
4) WWII
Wow, all of my history professors and the books I have read failed to mention that we intentionally provoked Japan to attack us and wanted at least 2,000 US service men to die while having half our fleet sunk. That sounds like a really bad war plan to me.
I was also taught that we knew of threats from Japan and that is why we forced an embargo, aided China, and sent a fleet to protect the Philippines. Man, and yet again, being the idiot that I am, I was under the impression that communications between outposts in the Hawaiian Island and DC were slow in 1941 and THATS why the communication wasnt received in time. From Hawaiian outpost to command to translation and back command then to California to DC to analysis and then to the talking heads and then to the president in a few hours was farkin' amazing in 1941. They couldnt email it.
"Imperialism has been a driving force in America since the beginning. We will manipulate the public and even kill them to gain our imperial goals."
That explains why we currently force taxes on our concurred lands of:
England
France
Cuba
Mexico
Panama
Nicaragua
Afghanistan
Iraq
Germany
Italy
Libia
Egypt
South Korea
Japan
Most of Indonesia
Austria
Belgium
Spain
and many more.
We conquered and or occupied all of those countries at some point. Yet for some reason we turned them back over to their inhabitants. That's a bad business model for an empire.
Oh, and its a good thing our government is so much smarter than Spain, Mexico, Germany or Japan and they all fell cleverly into our devious traps without tipping off the public. I always thought our government was hyper competent.
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What we are not:
* conspiracy theorists
* liberal Bush-haters
* un-American
* sheeple
* Trekies
* gullible conformists
* neoconservatives
* warmoungers
* idiots
* trouble-makers
* violent lawbreakers.
Most of those are wrong...
1) Many conspiracies were advanced as fact. 911, the Main, WWI, WWII, and the Iraq war to name a few. Lucky you know the truth and are so much smarter than everyone else.
2) You certainly are liberal and you professor your hatred for GW openly. How is it you claim you are not a liberal Bush hater? That pretty well pegs the definition.
3)Gullible Conformists - you are conforming to every conspiracy theory on every major American war in history. This also implies that those who disagree with you are - a backhanded insult is certainly the most cowardly.
4) Neoconservative - ignoring the fact you imply its bad, then you are correct.
5) Warmoungers - I assume you mean Warm-O-ngers (no U). Again, back handedly implying that anyone in support of trying to stabilize Iraq is a warmonger.
6)Idiots.
7) You are intentionally trying to make trouble. What else would the point be of bringing coffins to a congressman's office? Its to cause trouble. That isnt always a bad thing, but it is certainly the point.
Someone has watched too many Michael Moore films. Canadian Bacon is as much a documentary as the rest of this work. You know that rat actually did get an interview with Roger and chose not to show the footage because he thought it would be more effective? I turned on him the moment I learned that.
Anyway, I appreciate the different view points being raised. But too many people are too stupid to just present anything as fact and trust that people can sort it out. Doing so is promoting ignorance as much as the creationists you despise.
ps. longest post ever.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
That explains why we currently force taxes on our concurred lands of:
England
France
Cuba
Mexico
Panama
Nicaragua
Afghanistan
Iraq
Germany
Italy
Libia
Egypt
South Korea
Japan
Most of Indonesia
Austria
Belgium
Spain
and many more.
We conquered and or occupied all of those countries at some point.
The US has never conquered and or occupied England. Unless you are counting having US bases in a country as occupying.
I tried to watch the first episode.... Couldn't get past the hair.....[:o)]
Sorry another thing that got me going. I know what you were trying to mean in the last post, but when you referred to England I am quite sure you didn't mean England.
England is constituent country within the United Kingdom. To say England when you mean United Kingdom is a bit like saying New York when you mean the USA. As in"New York, Canada and the UK landed on the beaches of Normandy on D-day". I take it that when you mean England you actually mean England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, in which case you should use United Kingdom.
Here is a wikipedia definition for you:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a sovereign state occupying the island of Great Britain, the small nearby islands (but not the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands), and the North-Eastern part of the island of Ireland. Often shortened to 'United Kingdom', 'UK' or Britain.
The island of Great Britain comprises of England, Scotland and Wales.
I saw episode 1 and I have only I question: Where can I go to get the last seven minutes of my life back?
What a freakshow of uneducated mor[a]ns. The topper has to be that "blame America first" minister. He's right, we should not have gotten back to our lives after 9/11. Instead, we should have thought about (and perhaps still be thinking about) what we did to make those hijackers so mad.
Oh, and to whoever criticized the newscasters haircut, maybe it is me but that look gives the truth movement all the credibility it needs...
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Originally posted by teddy jack eddy
His opinions are presented as if they were fact.
I'm confused. Was it the fact that his post acutally made logical sense, that they were written in proper English, or that they actually contained information as opposed to propaganda?
Do you have anything to offer that discredits his post or are you just happy to be a librul and wanted to let us all know?
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Originally posted by guido911
I saw episode 1 and I have only I question: Where can I go to get the last seven minutes of my life back?
What a freakshow of uneducated mor[a]ns. The topper has to be that "blame America first" minister. He's right, we should not have gotten back to our lives after 9/11. Instead, we should have thought about (and perhaps still be thinking about) what we did to make those hijackers so mad.
Oh, and to whoever criticized the newscasters haircut, maybe it is me but that look gives the truth movement all the credibility it needs...
I must say one thing... You can call us all the names you want but it's not going to change the fact that we are at the very least trying to make our world a better place.
Cannon Fodder even though I do not agree with you I applaud you for discussing the MESSAGE instead of name calling because of haircuts like some of the other folks on here. I will be happy to discuss the information further because you seem reasonable unlike nearly every other brainiac on this forrum.
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I must say one thing... You can call us all the names you want but it's not going to change the fact that we are at the very least trying to make our world a better place.
And we will continue to mock you whenever you show your face. You start debates, then lose, then run away for a month...Repeat. We're all tired of you.
Either have the cajones to finish the debates you start or go away for good.
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Cannon Fodder even though I do not agree with you I applaud you for discussing the MESSAGE instead of name calling because of haircuts like some of the other folks on here. I will be happy to discuss the information further because you seem reasonable unlike nearly every other brainiac on this forrum.
My bet is that you 1) Never respond, and run away; 2) Respond one more time and get spanked again, then run away.
BTW brainiac, forum is spelled with one "r."
si_uk_lon_ok - I understand the England/UK thing (though I would argue England's influence over the UK is much greater than NY's over the USA). Not really sure what I was thinking when I wrote that as I drafted the entire thing in pieces and on the fly throughout the day. Perhaps just that England under the guise of Great Britain lost a couple of wars to the US and suffered no retribution.
A gaff I suppose on my part, good call.
Incidentally ALT, by quoting Twain, are you placing yourself or the other truthers in the category of a "patriot"? Because when I think of a patriot, I think of the soldier fighting for our freedoms and not two mini-mohawk tv host wanabes whose tin foil hats are on too tight.
So Alt, are you one of the chicken mohawkers?
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Originally posted by guido911
Incidentally ALT, by quoting Twain, are you placing yourself or the other truthers in the category of a "patriot"? Because when I think of a patriot, I think of the soldier fighting for our freedoms and not two mini-mohawk tv host wanabes whose tin foil hats are on too tight.
Tell me how a bunch of kids roaming around in the Middle East killing a bunch of civilians and provokling more attacks is "Patriotic"...? The Military Commissions Act of 2006 (//%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IlJ_K5-jLI%22) has destroyed Habeus Corpus and our Constitution. We are fighting to revoke such Acts which destroy our countrys fundamental beliefs.
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Tell me how a bunch of kids roaming around in the Middle East killing a bunch of civilians and provokling more attacks is "Patriotic"...?
Well good job f**kwit. You simultaneously insulted both our military and regurgitated propaganda about civilian deaths. Congratulations!
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The Military Commissions Act of 2006 (//%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IlJ_K5-jLI%22) has destroyed Habeus Corpus and our Constitution. We are fighting to revoke such Acts which destroy our countrys fundamental beliefs.
Oh boy more MOVIES!
Dingus, let me tell you about these magical things called BOOKS. I know they seem imposing and difficult to tackle, but these magical books contain even more magical things called FACTS, and facts are what we (adults) use in the land we call REALITY. Publishers, the kings of this magical world, employ people known as FACT CHECKERS (A.K.A. People who make mincemeat of CT Troofs). Books, when published by reputable companies, while by no means perfect, generally contain substantially more accurate factual evidence to substantiate claims than do videos created by CT TROOFERS WITH NO EDUCATION...
This is why CTers now use YouTube to disperse their Troof. Troofers don't research, they don't fact check, and generally they don't possess college degrees. Three strikes.
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
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Originally posted by guido911
I saw episode 1 and I have only I question: Where can I go to get the last seven minutes of my life back?
What a freakshow of uneducated mor[a]ns. The topper has to be that "blame America first" minister. He's right, we should not have gotten back to our lives after 9/11. Instead, we should have thought about (and perhaps still be thinking about) what we did to make those hijackers so mad.
Oh, and to whoever criticized the newscasters haircut, maybe it is me but that look gives the truth movement all the credibility it needs...
I must say one thing... You can call us all the names you want but it's not going to change the fact that we are at the very least trying to make our world a better place.
Cannon Fodder even though I do not agree with you I applaud you for discussing the MESSAGE instead of name calling because of haircuts like some of the other folks on here. I will be happy to discuss the information further because you seem reasonable unlike nearly every other brainiac on this forrum.
Ahhh another meltdown in progress...How long will it take you to recover this time....
More mindless garbage from ALT. Please Alt, just sit back and continue not lifting a finger to preserve the freedoms in this country. Let someone else fight so you can have your meaningless "weekend update"/"daily show" knockoff.
BTW, I thought the truth movement ended once KSM testified that he IN FACT orchestrated 9/11. Oh, wait, that's right, he was tortured.
also ignore the claims of responsibility from Osama and the evidence associated with the plotter's themselves. Our government competent enough to recruit foreigner's who have pretended to hate us for decades etc. etc. etc.
no need to go over all that again.
THE TRUTH?!?!?! THE TROOFERS CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!
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Cannon Fodder even though I do not agree with you I applaud you for discussing the MESSAGE instead of name calling because of haircuts like some of the other folks on here. I will be happy to discuss the information further because you seem reasonable unlike nearly every other brainiac on this forrum.
We're still waiting for your response Dingus.
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Originally posted by iplaw
Cannon Fodder even though I do not agree with you I applaud you for discussing the MESSAGE instead of name calling because of haircuts like some of the other folks on here. I will be happy to discuss the information further because you seem reasonable unlike nearly every other brainiac on this forrum.
We're still waiting for your response Dingus.
Yeah, cause I could use a good laugh[:D] Dingus I love it, how 'bout Ding-dud
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Originally posted by iplaw
Cannon Fodder even though I do not agree with you I applaud you for discussing the MESSAGE instead of name calling because of haircuts like some of the other folks on here. I will be happy to discuss the information further because you seem reasonable unlike nearly every other brainiac on this forrum.
We're still waiting for your response Dingus.
Respond with what? Your mother is a snowblower!? Now do I fit in to the wanna be disfunctional political arena? You have not addressed anything..Your a mindless schill spewing the crap you learned on Fox news. I just come back to stir the pot everyonce in a while and HOPEFULLY someone with a brain will get some good from our discussion. Thinking people can see that your name calling degenerative talk proves your ignorance. If some one will debate me on an issue I will debate, you don't know how to debate. Name calling is a 3rd grade skill, why would I debate a third grader?
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
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Originally posted by iplaw
Cannon Fodder even though I do not agree with you I applaud you for discussing the MESSAGE instead of name calling because of haircuts like some of the other folks on here. I will be happy to discuss the information further because you seem reasonable unlike nearly every other brainiac on this forrum.
We're still waiting for your response Dingus.
Respond with what? Your mother is a snowblower!? Now do I fit in to the wanna be disfunctional political arena? You have not addressed anything..Your a mindless schill spewing the crap you learned on Fox news. I just come back to stir the pot everyonce in a while and HOPEFULLY someone with a brain will get some good from our discussion. Thinking people can see that your name calling degenerative talk proves your ignorance. If some one will debate me on an issue I will debate, you don't know how to debate. Name calling is a 3rd grade skill, why would I debate a third grader?
Turd blossom- you shouldn't call others ignorant and accuse them of not having a brain until you learn to spell important words in useless forum discussions like: dysfunctional, shill, everyonce (Huh?, of course you used the word "pot" right before it, might explain everything), 'your' in the context it's used should be "you're".
Once you quit being evidunce that the Amercun educational system has failed our mohawked youth, we will take your clap-trap a lot more serious.
Seriously now, are you Beavis or Butthead in the video 'splaining the Mexican war, uh, thingy.
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Respond with what? Your mother is a snowblower!?
[}:)]
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Now do I fit in to the wanna be disfunctional political arena?
No. Please go away.
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You have not addressed anything..Your a mindless schill spewing the crap you learned on Fox news. I just come back to stir the pot everyonce in a while and HOPEFULLY someone with a brain will get some good from our discussion.
Dem's good Inglush skillz dare dawg.
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If some one will debate me on an issue I will debate, you don't know how to debate. Name calling is a 3rd grade skill, why would I debate a third grader?
Name the topic and set your rules. I think we've been down this road before though, and I distinctly remember someone other than me gimping off...
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Turd blossom- you shouldn't call others ignorant and accuse them of not having a brain until you learn to spell important words in useless forum discussions like: dysfunctional, shill, everyonce (Huh?, of course you used the word "pot" right before it, might explain everything), 'your' in the context it's used should be "you're".
Once you quit being evidunce that the Amercun educational system has failed our mohawked youth, we will take your clap-trap a lot more serious.
Seriously now, are you Beavis or Butthead in the video 'splaining the Mexican war, uh, thingy.
I think that he's neither. I think he's Cornholio.
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Bad news for Alt .... Rosie is leaving The View. I'm sure she is one of your heroes.
Maybe they will get her for a guest host spot on Troof TV. How do you think she'd look with a fauxhawk?
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Originally posted by Conan71
Maybe they will get her for a guest host spot on Troof TV. How do you think she'd look with a fauxhawk?
Like a fat pig with a fauxhawk.... My sincere apologies to all 4 leg pigs
So all of you who think 9/11 wasn't an inside job, do you really believe we have been given the truth?
8 problems w/ the 9/11 "official story"
1. Molten Metal
There are reports from hundreds of firefighters and other first responders of "streams of molten metal" flowing in the basements of all three towers (see below for a partial list of quotes and their sources). Whether or not you realize it, given the laws of thermodynamics this is an absolute IMPOSSIBILITY. Jet Fuel — which is nothing more than refined kerosene, or lamp oil — does not possess the thermodynamic potential to melt construction-grade steel (or any steel for that matter). Neither would the frictional heat induced by a "pancake collapse" have sufficient energy to do so (the latter reasoning is as laughable as the former).
On the other hand, molten iron is a known and readily demonstrable byproduct of one of the most effective and expedient steel-cutting explosives known: Thermate. Further, there is ample evidence in retrieved steel samples of chemical residues consistent with Thermate reactions. Absent explosives, there is absolutely no other explanation for the presence of molten metal in the basements. Period. [A mind in denial, of course, being reluctant to confront or explain this reality, immediately takes the evasive path as it frantically seeks solace elsewhere: "Yeah but...Usama said he did it." My response: Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]
2. WTC Building 7
This 47-storey steel-framed structure was not struck by an aircraft. Yet, it collapsed into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds in a perfect freefall. Even the official "experts", NIST and FEMA, are at a loss for an explanation. This is why the vaunted "911 Commission Report" admits, "the reason for the collapse of this structure remains unknown." Just think: No steel-framed structure in the history of this planet has EVER collapsed due to fire. Not once. Ever. Towers in Madrid, Buenos Aires and elsewhere burned for OVER 24 HOURS, yet their steel skeletons remained intact. But in NYC on 9/11, not one, not two, but THREE steel-framed structures collapsed on the same day. Not only did they collapse, all three collapsed neatly into their own footprints without disturbing surrounding buildings. And they didn't simply "collapse" -- they fell at freefall speeds, like bricks falling through air. Yes, all three of them. And there's more: all three left huge pools of molten metal in their basements. And all this after smoldering for a paltry 54 minutes. These were oxygen-starved, sooty fires that firefighters radioed could be extinguished "with two lines".
[The mind in denial: "Yeah but...why would our own government do something like this."
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]
3. Freefall speeds
It is IMPOSSIBLE (there is no other word) for the roofs of the towers to have struck the ground in exactly the same time as an object dropped from the same height. Why? The roof would have to crush, tear and plow through 110 levels of steel columns, walls, floor slabs, office equipment, etc. before it could reach the ground. The object would simply drop through AIR. (This phenomenon is bound by the Law of Conservation of Momentum. As far as the world knows, that law was in effect on 9/11.)
How could the roof and the object both hit the ground in exactly the same time? The ONLY way the roof could have hit the ground in 9.4 seconds (South Tower) would have been if nothing existed beneath it but air. And that's exactly what explosives do: blow everything out of the way so that there is nothing to resist the fall. Consider: If every floor just resisted the fall of the one above it for just ONE SECOND, the total collapse time would have been 110 seconds. Even half a second of resistance would yield a drop time of 55 seconds. In reality it took less than 10. Which means NOTHING resisted it. I.e., The entire mass was in freefall. How? There was nothing to resist it because everything beneath it was blown out of its path.
Forget the math. Just watch the videos (available online) — and time the collapses with a stopwatch. The explosives were triggered in a precise vertical sequence so that the floors and supports below were being destroyed just as the mass above them was falling. Indeed, actual explosive squibs can be seen emanating from floors well below the collapse line. Besides being captured on film, numerous firemen saw, heard, felt and reported these explosions. Their testimonies are preserved on audio and video records. You see, the only instrument you need to prove this to yourself is a simple stopwatch. Newton's Laws certainly weren't suspended on 9/11.
[The mind in denial: "Yeah but...who could have planted the explosives?"
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]
4. Central core columns
47 massive box-section steel columns, 1350-ft tall, constituted the central cores of the Twin Towers. These columns were heavily cross-braced into a virtually indestructible, unified, lattice-type integral steel core that rose all the way to the very top. This was the tower's primary load-bearing structure. It was DESIGNED to withstand not one, but multiple strikes from the biggest commercial jetliner of the time, the Boeing707. They were designed to withstand multiple strikes at any point along their elevation.
The kinetic energy imparted to the towers by the Boeing 767s was actually LESS than what would have been transmitted by 707s. [The 707, while slightly lighter than a 767, flew at 600 MPH versus the 767's 500 MPH.] Both towers should have easily absorbed the two impacts, because they were designed to do so.
But how about the "jet fuel?", one might ask. Fuel was obviously a part of the design consideration. (Besides, see "Molten Metal" above). Further, while "ten thousand gallons" might appear to be a huge amount, it's the volumetric equivalent of a 11x11x11-ft room — about the size of just one of the hundreds of little offices peppered throughout these towers. This would have constituted a mere pinprick vis-à-vis their million-cu-ft overall volumes. Additionally, most of the fuel in one of the aircraft was consumed in a massive fireball OUTSIDE the tower.
Now the main question: If the 110 floors of each tower cascaded down in a "pancake collapse", what happened to the central cores? They should have been left jutting 1350 feet into the sky. What happened to them? Indeed, what happened to the two stacks of 110 pancakes? They should have been stacked on the ground, as would records on the platter of an old record player as they slid down the spindle. The floor slabs broke into pieces, they say? Well then, how about the 110 corrugated steel pans onto which the concrete was poured? We should at least have a stack of 110 steel pans stacked on the ground? But I digress. Let's get back to the central question: What happened to the steel cores? There was nothing left on the ground but a hole. No slabs. No pans. No steel cores. Just a big hole full of debris. And lots of molten metal bubbling beneath the surface.
[The mind in denial: "Yeah but...how could they have gained access to the building?".
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]
5. Pulverization of concrete
In fact the concrete did not "break-up" or "shatter into pieces". All 400,000 cu.ft of the stuff (per tower) was pulverized into a 50-micron pyroclastic cloud of DUST. Question: What was the source of energy that caused this? Gravity? Laughably inadequate. Potential energy of the structures themselves? There was insufficient potential energy in the towers to have caused this kind of utter and complete pulverization to the level of fine powder. So, what was the source of energy?
[The mind in denial: "Yeah but...it's unpatriotic to question our president."
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]
6. Velocity of ejecta
During the collapses of the Twin Towers, massive, multi-ton steel sections were ejected HORIZONTALLY hundreds of feet away and were found impaled into the sides of distant buildings. The largest section -- weighing as much as a Boeing 737 -- penetrated a side of the Deutche Bank tower some 400 feet away! A steam catapult on an aircraft carrier couldn't have pulled that one off, but on 9/11 we're told gravity managed to do it. And yes, horizontally. Then we have the shredded human body parts -- tiny pieces of flesh, along with some bone fragments less than 1/16th-of-an-inch in size — that were found on distant rooftops hundreds of feet away. Gravity again? Question: What was the source of energy that caused this? A "pancake" collapse?
[The mind in denial: "Yeah, but...this whole thing couldn't possibly have been kept secret!"
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]
7. Flight 93
This now famous ("Let's roll") aircraft is said to have dived straight down into a field in Pennsylvania. Problem with the OCT: the "crater" in the ground is a shallow scratch roughly 20 ft long. Zero wreckage. Zero seats. Zero luggage. Zero body parts. Lots of witnesses at the scene, including major network crews, attested to this fact. There are news anchors at the scene broadcasting, "There is nothing here"... "It doesn't look like a crash scene at all...". Question: What happened to the airplane?
One of its engines was found MORE THAN A MILE AWAY from this strange "crash site". How did the engine get there? Did it bounce upon impact?
The debris field was strewn over SIX SQUARE MILES. The ground was covered with debris that scores of witnesses said "rained down like confetti" following a "loud bang" high up in the sky. Question: What was the bang? What was the "confetti"?
[The mind in denial: "Yeah, but...I don't believe these ridiculous conspiracy theories."
Sorry, please return to the physics. What you've been told is impossible.]
8. Pentagon Strike
A Boeing 757, which has a wingspan of 125ft is said to have crashed into the ground floor of the Pentagon. Problem: The entry hole is about 16 ft across. How is this possible? Did the wings and empennage obligingly fold into the fuselage at the very last second so this massive structure could shrink down so it could squeeze through the small hole?
The two 6,000-lb engines located 40ft apart spanwise not only never made a mark on the Pentagon structure (even the glass windowpanes were intact), they left not a trace of their existence. How is this possible? Again, there was no wreckage, no seats, no luggage, no bodies. What happened to them?
The OCT says the ensuing fire was so hot it caused everything — Titanium and aluminum components included — to vaporize. But these very same raging flames that "vaporized" Titanium engine cores, mercifully spared the delicate flesh of the passengers so they could all later be individually identified. How could this be possible?
[The mind in denial: "Get out of my sight, you unpatriotic, traitorous scum! Someone call Homeland Security! Call O'Reilly!"
Sorry, please return to physics. What you've been told is impossible.]
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Oh HAPPY DAY! You'd better ask your buddy Altruismsuffers what happens when you bring this nonsense into this house.
Are you interested in debating these points or was this just a thread crap? I'm not going to bother if you're gone.
And before you say yes, please know that I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, so your claims about "physics" are going to get spanked into oblivion. I hope you have a scientific background because I'll call you on it immediately, just like I did your brother Altruism.
I'm so glad as to have made your day Mr. Pennypacker!
I'm also excited to find someone w/ a background in mechanical engineering who can help me to understand the physical anomalies pertaining to 9/11....it would really help my stress level to know that I'm dead wrong and just need to loosen my tin foil cap a little to let my brain breathe.
Debunk away!
Start with WTC 7.
First, let me give some ground rules.
Give me your best three (3) reasons WTC 7 fell by CD. Feel free to provide facts and evidence to substantiate your claims. Pictures, and excerpts from reportage, but no videos. Videos are a waste of time, and Altruismsuffers has posted them all. I know some people cannot view videos during the day, so they are inconvenient.
No linking to 9/11 conspiracy websites, period. Please use original source material and provide links so that everyone can see your "evidence."
Back up everything you say, no exceptions.
With that said. Proceed.
all I can say is "OH SNAP!", STP4 you know your stuff. Just a warning IPLAW has a bad case of plausible deniability for our government and even physics. Then when you spank him a bit he will just regress to "bung-hole" or something on that level. But I will be watching to see IPLAW squarm, then will come the name calling, I can see it now.
Oh good grief...these 9/11 conspiracy nuts are a laugh riot.
For starters they don't understand basic engineering and it just gets worse from there.
As for the Pentagon. I have a cousin in the USMC who was there when the plane hit the building. In fact he and another Marine were in a parking lot and SAW it hit the building.
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
all I can say is "OH SNAP!", STP4 you know your stuff. Just a warning IPLAW has a bad case of plausible deniability for our government and even physics. Then when you spank him a bit he will just regress to "bung-hole" or something on that level. But I will be watching to see IPLAW squarm, then will come the name calling, I can see it now.
What kind of hair gel are you using.....
wavoka: Please do not infuse FACTS and PROOF into this discussion. Admit it, EYEWITNESSES such as your brave cousin and the other marine are either mistaken or flat lying. No, wait, perhaps they are part of the conspiracy. Better yet, I bet they were standing right next to another soldier who was guiding the cruise missile by remote control that flew into the Pentagon and they made up the story to help their comrade. That's it.
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
all I can say is "OH SNAP!", STP4 you know your stuff. Just a warning IPLAW has a bad case of plausible deniability for our government and even physics.
Boy, you're a ballsy little SOB aren't you? Lecturing me on physics when you've never even cracked a book. Frankly it shocked me that you actually spelled the word correctly.
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Then when you spank him a bit he will just regress to "bung-hole" or something on that level. But I will be watching to see IPLAW squarm, then will come the name calling, I can see it now.
If you're so cock-sure why don't you take care of me yourself? But alas, I fear your friend has gone...one more Troofer down.
Oh, and another thing, let's not pretend that you ladies are unacquanited with one another. He probably "knows is stuff" because he's been huffing the same troofer farts as his Holiness the Alti Lama.
You bozos link to the same website for Christ's sake. You could have at least attempted to look less suspicious.
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Originally posted by iplaw
Oh, and another thing, let's not pretend that you ladies are unacquanited with one another. He probably "knows is stuff" because he's been huffing the same troofer farts as his Holiness the Alti Lama.
You bozos link to the same website for Christ's sake. You could have at least attempted to look less suspicious.
I'm telling you, it's the Hair-Gel......
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Originally posted by iplaw
Oh, and another thing, let's not pretend that you ladies are unacquanited with one another. He probably "knows is stuff" because he's been huffing the same troofer farts as his Holiness the Alti Lama.
You bozos link to the same website for Christ's sake. You could have at least attempted to look less suspicious.
Me thinks Alt and her sister stp are one in the same.[:O] My other theory is that they are both Fatpig (one word is correct here, when used as a synonym for Rosie)
Die little thread...just die...
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Originally posted by Conan71
Die little thread...just die...
Hell no....The entertainment factor is to high.....heh....