This is just too much:
http://www.ifilm.com/profile/breitbart/video/2829104
Hillary grew up in Chicago and she is a street fighter. She was the tough one of the two Clintons. She was the one that would have the secret service rough up hecklers. She was the one that would ask the IRS to audit her enemies. Bill was hampered by believing in the Southern Gentlemen thing. Hillary knows how to fight. I've been waiting for a strong leader on the left. Maybe it's going to take Hillary to deliver some punishment to our opponents. It looks like she has better handlers than Edwards. I could warm up to Clinton.
Oh, okay, Hometown.
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Hillary grew up in Chicago and she is a street fighter.
Which one E. Honda or Blanka?
I talk differently to different audiences and different people. Its a smart thing to do. I don't cuss and use slang with my clients. But you should hear me playing a good game of V-ball.[8D] I use my "religious words" when dealing with very religious people and clients. When I am with some of my "salt of the earth" country, family, I talk differently than I would giving an art lecture at a college. Dress differently in most cases too lol.
I heard more of that speech on NPR. Most of the time she used her normal voice. In the context of the whole speech she didn't slide into her "southern black church" voice as much or as deeply as those clips made it sound. I thought she was very reserved in that respect actually. But if your inclined to not like her anyway, I am sure the sound of her voice grates on your nerves regardless. lol
If you ask me, between Obama and Clinton, Obama was the one who sounded "more different, far more often" in his speech than Hilary did. Or is it ok for someone like Obama or Oprah to sound northern or white and southern and black depending on the audience, but not ok for a white person like Clinton to sound southern and black?
It's no big deal. When I go back home to central Illinois, I slide back into that rural Midwestern accent and don't even notice it until somebody tells me.
My wife grew up in the far southern part of the state, which has a more pronounced Southern accent. So sometimes I talk like her. And sometimes my wife borrows my farm-boy colloquialisms from me.
And considering that Hillary lived in Arkansas all those decades and married an honest-to-God Southern boy, I'm sure sure comes by the accent honestly. If you're in a place long enough, you assimilate somewhat.
Those who see a controversy here aren't thinking too hard.
(And, no, I'm not a Hillary supporter.)
This is what she said, "I DON FEEL NOWAYS TY-ARD.. I COME TOO FARRR..FROM WHERE I STARTED FROM..NOBODY TOL ME THAT THE ROOOAD WOULD BE EASY!"
BTW RW, I, like you and Hillary, am from Illinois. I have lived in Southwest Missouri and Oklahoma. Under No circumstances could I imagine myself speaking that way.
Hillary is a fraud and a carpetbagger
Trouble is, the passage that you quoted, guido, is her reading lyrics verbatum from a James Cleveland hymn, along with its cadence.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/03/yet_another_win.php
James Cleveland's stuff is really good, by the way. He's one of the most influential gospel composers and choir arrangers of the 20th century. That's his choir and some of his singing that you hear during Aretha Franklin's "Amazing Grace" album.
Off to the next alleged "scandal" we go ...
Im not sure what to make of this. On one side, perhaps she did slip into it by mistake. But on the other, she is a professional manipulator - it is unlikely she made this mistake.
She remade herself from a "Southern Bell" to a hard nosed New Yorker in a couple of weeks to get to the Senate. Then she merged into a moderate blue-dog democrat when whispers of the white house started floating. Since Lesbian's are hip now I expect the Chelsea's gay announcement at any time.
I dont think she does anything by mistake. She is an intelligent and focused woman. She learned how to work a crowed by watching her husband, but he was better at it; he could do it as himself.
Having seen the video of the passage in question, I don't think she was trying a Southern accent at all.
She was trying to get the cadence right in the song's lyrics (which she did cite as a James Cleveland song), and it ended up sounding like a lazy drawl.
Oh well. It's not like my vocal rhythm is all that good, either. Ask my wife. [;)]
Oh I'm sorry. I guess Hillary's "black face" routine is okay then.
This is not a scandal. It's an example of liberal hypocrisy which apparently you condone.
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Im not sure what to make of this. On one side, perhaps she did slip into it by mistake. But on the other, she is a professional manipulator - it is unlikely she made this mistake.
She remade herself from a "Southern Bell" to a hard nosed New Yorker in a couple of weeks to get to the Senate. Then she merged into a moderate blue-dog democrat when whispers of the white house started floating. Since Lesbian's are hip now I expect the Chelsea's gay announcement at any time.
I dont think she does anything by mistake. She is an intelligent and focused woman. She learned how to work a crowed by watching her husband, but he was better at it; he could do it as himself.
You mean Chelsea still hasn't come out? I figured that one out when she was 13. Like mother, like daughter.[:O]
For those of you who can laugh at Hillary openly:
http://topsecrethillary.blogspot.com/
(http://www.kwik-link.com/hillary/hill.thick.glasses.jpg)
Blackface. Hmm. What an extraordinary leap in logic.
Honestly, is that the best you can come up with?
I guess guido sees something that doesn't exist.
Hey, guido, there are invisible gophers biting at your ankles. You'd better get out the RPG launcher and kill them.
[}:)]
RW, I call it as I see it. How do you characterize a whiter than white, Illinois born, New York Senator, caucasian publicly mimicking a black person?
BTW, RW you first excused Hillary's make believe southern drawl because she assimilated to Arkansas life. Then you excused her drawl because she was mimicking a southern gospel hymn. The question to you is do you spin much? Oh,your off the hook because your not a Hillary supporter. Right...
I didn't spin, O'Reilly. I initially reacted to the information I had at the time (which was very little) and added to the conversation (which was already talking about accents and assimilation).
As more information about the speech came in, I realized that the "controversy" was hardly that.
When I finally saw the video, I didn't see it as mimicry. It's stating lyrics from a song that has certain rhythms. To me, it's no different from me putting in a pause when I quote "I can't get no ... satisfaction." Or "I got you ... under my skin." Or if you sing old Negro spirituals right out of the hymnbook. Each of these types of songs have certain cadences, and if you hear them a few times, it's hardwired into your brain that way. It sounds off if you stray from them.
If I sing "Freedom's Road," does that make me a minstrel singer? Of course not. I sing it because I like the song.
To accuse me of spinning is simply wrong. If anyone's spinning, you are. You're the one who calls Hillary a "carpetbagger" and obviously has an axe to grind. I've got no dog in this hunt. I don't support Hillary.
But if you're getting something wrong or being selective or exaggerating, then I'll react, no matter who it is. That's the way the free marketplace of ideas work.
RW, you are kidding with that last post, right? Listen to Hillary again or look at the "transcript" I provided. For someone who does not support Hillary you are doing one heck of a job covering for her.
Oh, well. You not used to someone who makes their own, independent judgments with the facts presented?
Whatever RW. Here is media matters taken on the subject:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703060009
Check out E.D. Hill's comments
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Whatever RW. Here is media matters taken on the subject:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703060009
Check out E.D. Hill's comments
What happened to the rest of the video? the rebuttal?
I remember hearing more of the speach. This video puts it in context.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/03/yet_another_win.php
There are many in the news media who are making it sound like she was talking that way the whole time. Plus there is not a politician around who won't change a speach to make it fit the audience. I remember taking speech classes in college. One of the most basic and first things you learn is "Know your audience and make your speech fit that audience". One of the lessons was same topic different audiences, How would you change the speech to fit each of the different audiences listed? There is the "general audiences" type speech, then there are speeches tailored to specific audeinces. People arent going to be as receptive to you if you don't tailor your speech to their group.
Plus, again, she spoke with her usual voice most of the time, but when she was quoting this piece, she sounded like she was having fun to me and really revving the crowd lol.
To take this out of context and try to portray it as something else is more manipulative and disenginuous than what what some are saying she is doing.
The whole deal just gave the rabid righties something to talk about. Everyone knew what was going on with that part of her speech. Then Insannity and Mr. Oxycontin got a hold of it and turned into something that it obviously was not. Then the rest of the righties who listen to these morons jumped on the wagon without listening to any other part of the speech. Talk about kool aid drinkers...
Takes the focus off Republohottie calling Edwards a friendly fellow. [;)]
This whole Hillary speech is, to borrow from Rwarn, pretty "feh" with me.
She's got plenty of time to self destruct. Hillary is a smart woman, but her jealousy makes her do and say stupid things.
There's a lot of speculation that her campaign is behind the release of information about some of Obama's well-timed investments and there will be more daggers in the coming months. Her quiet campaign of personal destruction is going to back-fire big-time. I think Obama will mobilize the most black voters in American history since he is the first black American with a truly legit shot at the White House. Hillary would struggle to get the nomination without them.
By the time it is all said and done, the black population will have the perception of Hillary being more racist than Bush.
Interesting theory and prediction, Conan.
And please notice that I have not dismissed them. [;)]
I really think we will see record voting numbers in urban areas heavily populated by blacks during the Democratic primaries.
Even if Obama stumbles early in the primaries, his campaign will stick it out. Iowa and New Hampshire are pretty white-bread and I don't know how much appeal he will have there. He should do well through the southern and northern states with large black populations.
Hey NSU: Here is that "rabid rightee" Don Imus and his show's take on it:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703070009
I must point out the lengths persons on this thread have gone to blame others for pointing out nothing but pure political pandering by Hillary Clinton.
And I need to point out the lengths of you making a mountain out of a molehill.
No one will remember this "issue" when the primary elections actually begin.
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Originally posted by guido911
Hey NSU: Here is that "rabid rightee" Don Imus and his show's take on it:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703070009
I must point out the lengths persons on this thread have gone to blame others for pointing out nothing but pure political pandering by Hillary Clinton.
She was reading from a hymn by James Cleveland as it was written. She did a lousy job of trying to sound southern. Whats the big deal? So Imus and his crew mentioned it. Insannity has run it every night since she said it.
As for the political pandering, some people call it campaigning. ALL of them pander to get votes. Remember when GWB promised to introduce an ammendment banning gay marriage? Was that not pandering to the evangelicals?
I FINALLY saw the clip in question and she sooooo jumped the shark! He eyes were allll wild-like and she talked in that annoying pedantic manner. Holy smokes what an awful performance!