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Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: guido911 on February 12, 2007, 01:54:01 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/12/D8N8BU600.html

Let me be the first, while I do not believe this will ever occur while Kim Jong Il is in charge, this is still Bush's fault
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: iplaw on February 12, 2007, 01:55:24 PM
Isn't everything?  Lybia, now North Korea...
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: aoxamaxoa on February 12, 2007, 02:07:52 PM
Yuz guys have brown eyes....know why?
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: rwarn17588 on February 12, 2007, 02:10:19 PM
It's probably because the nuclear tests in North Korea crapped out or were disappointingly underwhelming.

Il's feeling a bit ill right now and wants to placate a few world powers.
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: aoxamaxoa on February 12, 2007, 02:31:38 PM
^Snap
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: iplaw on February 12, 2007, 03:29:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rwarn17588

It's probably because the nuclear tests in North Korea crapped out or were disappointingly underwhelming.

Il's feeling a bit ill right now and wants to placate a few world powers.


He's ronrey...


(http://www.dartmouthindependent.com/archives/kim-jong-mickey.jpg)
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: MichaelC on February 12, 2007, 04:02:37 PM
IMO, Kim Jong Il does not look like President Bush.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Kim_Jong_il.jpg)

(http://en.epochtimes.com/news_images/2005-10-2-george-bush.jpg)

Not even close.
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: MichaelC on February 14, 2007, 02:55:12 PM
From MSNBC (//%22http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17136874/site/newsweek/%22)

quote:
The agreement announced today represents a major change in attitude that goes beyond North Korea. The most evident sign is that the accord, under which Pyongyang will immediately get 50 tons of emergency fuel oil with nearly a million more tons to come, is plainly a reversal of the administration's previous principled stand against the "nuclear blackmail" that it accused Bill Clinton of engaging in. Until this week the administration refused to reward "bad behavior"—secret weapons programs—by promising dictators like Kim goodies in return for giving up nukes. "There's a little bit of tripping over earlier rhetoric," says Michael Green, the senior director for Asia on the National Security Council in Bush's first term.

Another sign that a shift in attitude is afoot is the answer that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice gave at a news conference today, when she was asked about comments made by John Bolton, her just-departed U.N. ambassador. Bolton told CNN that the deal "sends exactly the wrong signal to would-be proliferators around the world: 'If we hold out long enough, wear down the State Department negotiators, eventually you get rewarded'." Bolton urged Bush to reject the deal. When Rice was asked, "Do you think there's any substance to his criticism?" she replied tersely: "No, I don't." She then made it clear that Bolton, the one-time favorite of Dick Cheney and other hardliners, was so far out of the loop that he didn't know what he was talking about. "I can assure you that the president of the United States knows every detail of this agreement," she said.
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: iplaw on February 14, 2007, 03:12:59 PM
We've been there and done this before (//%22http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/nuke/index.html%22)

They're liars. We're suckers.

Period.
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: MichaelC on February 14, 2007, 03:43:31 PM
I don't know.  In order to be a "sucker", we'd have to believe that the DPRK will be truthful.  I'm not sure we believe that.

On the other hand, in the DPRK, their missile technology is as dangerous as their nuclear capabilities.  Allowing the DPRK to export missile technology would be a mistake.
Title: North Korea to Disarm?
Post by: aoxamaxoa on February 14, 2007, 05:15:45 PM
Pakistan is a much bigger threat. They are the most likely to fall into the wrong hands and sell WMD and all ready to go.

Suckers? Cohorts? Liars?

Truth teller.