Apparently global warming is unstoppable (//%22http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_sc/france_climate_change%22), so can we just drop it now and stop talking about it? Everyone panic! The bigger problem now is Algore needs to find a new hobby, although pounding ding-dongs and ho-ho's has been on his list of to-do's lately.
Let's see.....Al Gore gets nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize yesterday and today you are mocking him with a Presiduncy standing in front of you that refuses to believe in science. Not only that, but this administration continues to attempt to hold back scientists. My daddy told me there are two kinds of lies. The one's that are outright falsehoods, which you seem to think global warming is, and the lies told which purposely omit the truth like the Bushevik's do over and over with their minions in tow.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2007/01/31/welch_interference_in_science_stunning/
"Welch said he had read about scientists being muzzled, but, "It's a stunning personal experience to hear directly from scientists whose life work has been compromised, who live in fear of retaliation or compromised careers if they adhere to their code of ethics as scientists."
We will stop talking about Global Warming when you Inhoff-voting ostriches believe it's really happening.
Why do you have to continue to talk about it? There is nothing that can be done about it. You do believe the SCIENTISTS don't you...
OMG! The earth's mean temp has risen .4 degrees since the 1890's.
From NASA:
"Some of the changes in climate are due to short-term factors like large volcanic eruptions that launched tiny particles of sulfuric acid into the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) in 1963, 1982, and 1991. These natural events can change climate for periods of time ranging from months to a few years. Other natural events, like El Ninos, when warm water spreads over much of the tropical Pacific Ocean, also have large short-term influences on climate. The large spike in global temperature in 1998 was associated with one of the strongest El Ninos of recent centuries, and a weak El Nino contributed to the unusually high 2002-2003 global temperatures."
What I fail to understand is how with more stringent emissions standards since the 1970's why the last few years have been warmer. It's still an imperfect science at best. All anyone can say for certain is the nebulous: "There are indicators this is man-made".
Adding to irony is that carbon dioxide is considered the primary "greenhouse gas". The catalytic converter on your car or truck converts CO to CO2. IOW, the federally mandated emissions device on your car actually contributes to higher levels of CO2.
I'm quite skepitcal because the Chicken Little (sorry CL, not referring to you) mentality on this has lead to billions and billions of additional costs to business and consumers, with no apparent benefit.
Here you go....I don't care. It will be my grandchildren and great grandchildren's problem.
Make you feel better?
It doesn't matter Conan, we're all going to die, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it...according to the French...
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Originally posted by iplaw
Why do you have to continue to talk about it? There is nothing that can be done about it. You do believe the SCIENTISTS don't you...
For one thing you can prepare the population that is going to have to cope with its new realities; stronger storms, rising sea levels, more intense droughts, changes in farming etc. Any effort made now to acknowledge the changes is an effort to adjust to them. Ignore the reality and the people are at risk.
Maybe Inhofe is right and the scientists are mistaken. If that is true then maybe the scientists promoting the idea that we can not change a routine weather cycle are......mistaken too. Are you a gambling man?
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Maybe Inhofe is right and the scientists are mistaken.
It's not just Inofe waterboy, there are a whole slew of professors and scientist out there who think it's a crock as well...but what would they know, they don't work for the UN.
On a related topic, our good buddy Algore ran like a chicken from one notable scientist recently when he was challenged to a debate at an open forum...
Algore the wuss. (//%22http://www.rojo.com/story/hqpV1PwvkPSPYsGz%22)
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Maybe Inhofe is right and the scientists are mistaken.
It's not just Inofe waterboy, there are a whole slew of professors and scientist out there who think it's a crock as well...but what would they know, they don't work for the UN.
Then maybe a slew of professors and scientists out there who are beholden to their political beliefs are mistaken too. I just don't have as much confidence in experts as I used to, but when the evidence is conclusive to such an extent that the preponderence of scientists embrace it then you are foolish to not prepare and make change.
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I just don't have as much confidence in experts as I used to
Finally, a message I think we all need to embrace.
Algore won't debate... (//%22http://www.rojo.com/story/hqpV1PwvkPSPYsGz%22)
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Originally posted by iplaw
Why do you have to continue to talk about it? There is nothing that can be done about it.
There is also nothing you can do about the fact that you will someday die, but that in itself is not a valid reason to not use what knowledge and tools you have to forestall an unnecessarily early demise.
Hopefully you know not to ride on top of a moving car (especially if you are the driver) or to eat broken glass, and yet some people are compelled to do these things while scoffing at those who point out the obvious dangers.
I guess I dont see it in black-and white, but a lot of hues and shades that illuminate different paths we may or may not take.
So, global warming will happen. To what degree our children and their children's children have to suffer will have a lot to do with what responsibilities we take today.
WB,
If a scientist starts out to prove there is global warming, he will prove it.
If the same scientist starts out to prove there is no such thing he will prove it.
Just depends on what their hypothesis is and how they care to interpret data to support the direction of their hypothesis.
What action is it I'm supposed to take? Quit driving my truck and stop breathing so I won't contribute to more CO2 being sent to the atmosphere?
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There is also nothing you can do about the fact that you will someday die, but that in itself is not a valid reason to not use what knowledge and tools you have to forestall an unnecessarily early demise.
Apparently the UN believes that we are unable to "forestall" it, and you'd better listen to them or else.
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Hopefully you know not to ride on top of a moving car (especially if you are the driver) or to eat broken glass, and yet some people are compelled to do these things while scoffing at those who point out the obvious dangers.
Non-sequitor.
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I guess I dont see it in black-and white, but a lot of hues and shades that illuminate different paths we may or may not take.
You are simply not listening to what the UN is telling you then, and for that I am truly ashamed of you.
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So, global warming will happen. To what degree our children and their children's children have to suffer will have a lot to do with what responsibilities we take today.
You just won't listen to the UN will you...you skeptic kook.
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Originally posted by Conan71
WB,
If a scientist starts out to prove there is global warming, he will prove it.
If the same scientist starts out to prove there is no such thing he will prove it.
Just depends on what their hypothesis is and how they care to interpret data to support the direction of their hypothesis.
More truisms we can all embrace!
There are things you can do, like recycle (reduces energy use), drive a more fuel-efficient car (my Honda Insight gets 55-60 mpg), switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, thoroughly insulate your house and seal up or replace your drafty windows.
And you know what? All these things I did because they were beneficial for my bottom line. I wind up spending less money in the long run. (On many of them, I get a tax break.)
I don't look on it as a sacrifice; I look at it as an opportunity.
And in the next year or so, I'm will probably put solar devices on my roof that, in total, will cost less for KwHs than buying it from the power company. I'll tell more about these devices when they become available in the United States. They could revolutionize the power industry. (Fingers crossed.)
It's also worth remembering that when the world gets together and tries to do something environmentally beneficial, the planet recovers much more quickly than expected, and the costs of making these changes are much less than expected, too. The ozone has recovered after we banned ozone-eating elements in the 1990s. Air pollution dropped dramatically after the Clean Air Act.
I am to leave the planet in better condition than when I was in it. And save money, too.
There is no question that some of skeptics could be right but then also are those who dream of looking in caves for a dinosaur who's existence after some 160 million years disappeared from the face of this earth. Still they seek an explanation. Another 60 million years may pass after our demise when another life form, other then ours, will look in the caves to see if one of our species survived. It is assumed that the earth will heal itself but it may need some help from the present life forms that replaced the dinosaur. After all we are guest momentarily on the land surface and the planet is our host.
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Originally posted by shadows
There is no question that some of skeptics could be right but then also are those who dream of looking in caves for a dinosaur who's existence after some 160 million years disappeared from the face of this earth. Still they seek an explanation. Another 60 million years may pass after our demise when another life form, other then ours, will look in the caves to see if one of our species survived. It is assumed that the earth will heal itself but it may need some help from the present life forms that replaced the dinosaur. After all we are guest momentarily on the land surface and the planet is our host.
pancakes...you get some too.
(http://tinypic.com/3zg96df)
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
There are things you can do, like recycle (reduces energy use), drive a more fuel-efficient car (my Honda Insight gets 55-60 mpg), switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, thoroughly insulate your house and seal up or replace your drafty windows.
And you know what? All these things I did because they were beneficial for my bottom line. I wind up spending less money in the long run. (On many of them, I get a tax break.)
I don't look on it as a sacrifice; I look at it as an opportunity.
And in the next year or so, I'm will probably put solar devices on my roof that, in total, will cost less for KwHs than buying it from the power company. I'll tell more about these devices when they become available in the United States. They could revolutionize the power industry. (Fingers crossed.)
It's also worth remembering that when the world gets together and tries to do something environmentally beneficial, the planet recovers much more quickly than expected, and the costs of making these changes are much less than expected, too. The ozone has recovered after we banned ozone-eating elements in the 1990s. Air pollution dropped dramatically after the Clean Air Act.
I am to leave the planet in better condition than when I was in it. And save money, too.
It's fine and dandy to put money back in your pocket, but you aren't listening to the UN. They have now taken the position that Global Warming is unstoppable...don't tell me you think you know more than the UN now...no one knows more than the UN...period
As for the Honda Insight (//%22http://www.glennbeck.com/dayaftertomorrow/user-poster1.pdf%22).
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
There are things you can do, like recycle (reduces energy use), drive a more fuel-efficient car (my Honda Insight gets 55-60 mpg), switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, thoroughly insulate your house and seal up or replace your drafty windows.
And you know what? All these things I did because they were beneficial for my bottom line. I wind up spending less money in the long run. (On many of them, I get a tax break.)
I don't look on it as a sacrifice; I look at it as an opportunity.
And in the next year or so, I'm will probably put solar devices on my roof that, in total, will cost less for KwHs than buying it from the power company. I'll tell more about these devices when they become available in the United States. They could revolutionize the power industry. (Fingers crossed.)
It's also worth remembering that when the world gets together and tries to do something environmentally beneficial, the planet recovers much more quickly than expected, and the costs of making these changes are much less than expected, too. The ozone has recovered after we banned ozone-eating elements in the 1990s. Air pollution dropped dramatically after the Clean Air Act.
I am to leave the planet in better condition than when I was in it. And save money, too.
It's fine and dandy to put money back in your pocket, but you aren't listening to the UN. They have now taken the position that Global Warming is unstoppable...don't tell me you think you know more than the UN now...no one knows more than the UN...period
As for the Honda Insight (//%22http://www.glennbeck.com/dayaftertomorrow/user-poster1.pdf%22).
Alex, I'll take the Ferrari for $100!
Rwarn- Home solar is a very, very expensive proposition. Sgrizzle might know the answer, but is AEP/PSO allowing individual solar producers to sell their power back to the grid? I know some utilities in California are. I saw such a set up at a friend's house in California a couple of years ago. When it's not so sunny or the battery bank is low at night, the meter runs in favor of the power company. When there is a surplus, the meter more or less runs backwards. She said with the current amount of credits on her electric bill that she might pay out the system in 10-15 years. There would need to be some pretty good incentives and a buy back from the grid to make it worthwhile, because you won't be able to be completely independent of the power company with the amount of solar you can store and collect at your house. Air conditioners and large appliances like lots of electricity.
I've been looking into solar power to keep my sailboat's (hey I'm doing my part except for that smoky two stroke outboard to use to get my boat in and out of the bay) batteries charged and topped and have learned quite a bit about it. Just make sure you wind up with a very experienced contractor, not someone who thinks they know a lot of theory. Theory is one thing, actually having installed and serviced a number of units in real-world conditions is quite another.
I don't have a problem with alternative power sources, I think they are great. I was in awe driving past the wind farms out near Weatherford a couple of months ago. Unfortunately, alternative power is not realistic for every industrial process, nor appropriate under every condition.
I still find great irony in catalytic converters actually creating more CO2 than there would be without. I'm curious what the trade off would be with higher CO and NOx levels.
NOx is the major exhaust effluent that my industry is being regulated to death with. California has led the way in really upping the costs for industry out there with ridiculously low NOx requirements, regardless of btu volume of burned fuels. I'm still puzzled as to why any company would want to have manufacturing operations in that state.
AEP-PSO right now is charging about 10 cents per KwH, and you know it's not going to keep it at those relatively low rates forever.
Conan, the solar device I'm looking at costs 5-8 cents per KwH, depending on your region.
That's without tax incentives or rebates or buybacks. As far as I'm concerned, if I get those, too, it's all gravy.
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Originally posted by iplaw
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It's fine and dandy to put money back in your pocket, but you aren't listening to the UN. They have now taken the position that Global Warming is unstoppable...don't tell me you think you know more than the UN now...no one knows more than the UN...period
Global Warming -- Not Worse Than We Thought, But Bad Enough
http://www.reason.com/news/show/118479.html
Don't you have a John Birch Society meeting to go to...
JBSers love to deny global warming using "Chicken Little" arguments... and they continue to insist on "equal time" for their well-funded "global-warming-is-a-hoax" lobby... and iplaw's posts are right out of the John Birch Society playbook...
Blah blah blah UN...
http://www.getusout.org/
Blah blah blah Global Warming...
http://www.jbs.org/node/1691
What a great legacy!
My favorite John Birch Society quotes:
"Under General Pinochet's leadership, an incipient Communist dictatorship in Chile was stopped cold. Rather than suffer excoriation at the hands of the media, this man should be honored as a hero."
"The urge to destroy and defile Western culture represents the true spirit of Kwanzaa."
"Joe McCarthy was a brave and honest man. There was nothing cynical or devious about him. He said and did things for only one reason - he thought they were the right things to say and do."
Who's still cool on global warming?
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/175673
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Originally posted by USRufnex
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Originally posted by iplaw
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It's fine and dandy to put money back in your pocket, but you aren't listening to the UN. They have now taken the position that Global Warming is unstoppable...don't tell me you think you know more than the UN now...no one knows more than the UN...period
Global Warming -- Not Worse Than We Thought, But Bad Enough
http://www.reason.com/news/show/118479.html
Don't you have a John Birch Society meeting to go to...
JBSers love to deny global warming using "Chicken Little" arguments... and they continue to insist on "equal time" for their well-funded "global-warming-is-a-hoax" lobby... and iplaw's posts are right out of the John Birch Society playbook...
Blah blah blah UN...
http://www.getusout.org/
Blah blah blah Global Warming...
http://www.jbs.org/node/1691
What a great legacy!
My favorite John Birch Society quotes:
"Under General Pinochet's leadership, an incipient Communist dictatorship in Chile was stopped cold. Rather than suffer excoriation at the hands of the media, this man should be honored as a hero."
"The urge to destroy and defile Western culture represents the true spirit of Kwanzaa."
"Joe McCarthy was a brave and honest man. There was nothing cynical or devious about him. He said and did things for only one reason - he thought they were the right things to say and do."
Who's still cool on global warming?
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/175673
Is that all you've got? Accept it. The UN knows more than you...if you think you can stop global warmining you just AREN'T listening hard enough to the guys in the blue hats. But I do give you props on being able to post so many links in one thread, it must be difficult having to think for yourself so much.[xx(]
What is it with the libs and Independents (TM) on the board who can't manage to post about anything without having to link to 50 websites? Think for yourself folks.
Scientists Offered Cash to Dispute Climate Study
by Ian Sample
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0202-05.htm
"Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today....
The AEI has received more than $1.6m from ExxonMobil and more than 20 of its staff have worked as consultants to the Bush administration. Lee Raymond, a former head of ExxonMobil, is the vice-chairman of AEI's board of trustees."
There....Ignoramous!
http://pabloonpolitics.com/global_warming.htm
A good read for Gwee doe doe, Ipsqueak, and The Conman!
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Originally posted by iplaw
Is that all you've got? Accept it. The UN knows more than you...if you think you can stop global warmining you just AREN'T listening hard enough to the guys in the blue hats. But I do give you props on being able to post so many links in one thread, it must be difficult having to think for yourself so much.[xx(]
What is it with the libs and Independents (TM) on the board who can't manage to post about anything without having to link to 50 websites? Think for yourself folks.
Is that all YOU got???... you don't like links or facts. A couple of those links were directly from the John Birch Society... some of us like to reference our opinions...
And some of us READ and post and think for ourselves rather than blindly follow the latest politically correct gaggle of conservative demogogues...
Or the same crackpots from my youth who loved to talk about "pinko-commies," "the evil United Nations," "one-world government," "AIDS as God's proper judgement in the 80s which will stop the gay liberation movement in its tracks," "the Catholic chuch as the
whore of Babylon spoke of in the book of Revelation," "the Pope as the anti-Christ," "the upcoming rapture/apocalypse that will happen in 1977?" "no... er, uh... 1979?" "nope? let's try 1982 when the planets align..." "er. wait... let's just make the rapture into its own multi-million dollar cottage industry by publishing rasputin-like books/movies every few years...."
(http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/cloud_ten/left_behind_ii__tribulation_force/leftbehindtribulationforce_poster.jpg)
Yeah, I could post links, but am afraid to cast pearls before........
Have a nice day. [:P]
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A couple of those links were directly from the John Birch Society... some of us like to reference our opinions...
No. Some of us would call that a fallacious appeal to authority (//%22http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority%22), but you can call it "reference" if you want. Whatever floats your boat.
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And some of us READ and post and think for ourselves
Well, your doing two out of the three...[xx(]
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Or the same crackpots from my youth who loved to talk about "pinko-commies," "the evil United Nations," "one-world government," "AIDS as God's proper judgement in the 80s which will stop the gay liberation movement in its tracks," "the Catholic chuch as the whore of Babylon spoke of in the book of Revelation," "the Pope as the anti-Christ," "the upcoming rapture/apocalypse that will happen in 1977?" "no... er, uh... 1979?" "nope? let's try 1982 when the planets align..." "er. wait... let's just make the rapture into its own multi-million dollar cottage industry by publishing rasputin-like books/movies every few years...."
More non-sequitors...can you actually make a point without resorting to a logical fallacy of some sort?
hmmm... so now my personal experiences are "logical fallacies"...
Gimme that can.
(http://tinypic.com/3zg96df)
Yes, but apparently you aren't familiar with the terms...
TCC offers a great class in remedial philosophy...you should check in to it. (//%22http://www.tulsacc.edu/archive/cat06/237-332.pdf#page=1%22).
And since you apparently like using MY gag material...I'll save you the effort of your next lame comeback and help you out...
"Yeah well the jerk store called, and they're running out of you!"
Spoken like a true lawyer...
Your sarcastic "Apparently global warming is unstoppable... Everyone panic! The bigger problem now is Algore needs to find a new hobby...." just gives me an invitation to play "Spot the Hidden Agenda" with you....
And here's a real non-sequitur for ya...
Mustard: "I prefer Kipling myself - the female of the species is more deadly than the male. Do you like Kipling Miss Scarlet?"
Scarlet: "Sure - I'll eat anything."
Oh, I hear the Clue Phone... it's for you. [:D]
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Originally posted by USRufnex
Spoken like a true lawyer...
Your sarcastic "Apparently global warming is unstoppable... Everyone panic! The bigger problem now is Algore needs to find a new hobby...." just gives me an invitation to play "Spot the Hidden Agenda" with you....
And here's a real non-sequitur for ya...
Mustard: "I prefer Kipling myself - the female of the species is more deadly than the male. Do you like Kipling Miss Scarlet?"
Scarlet: "Sure - I'll eat anything."
Oh, I hear the Clue Phone... it's for you. [:D]
Thought I telegraphed my intent well. If you think my post had a HIDDEN agenda you're in need of more than a
clue fella.
Lastly, do you have anything more to say or are you just content to ramble on at this point? I think you've taken one too many soccer balls to the head.
If you'd like to talk specifics let's get down to it. If not go bother the sports board.
Thankfully, I don't read your stuff often enough...
So, your logic that implies everybody who doesn't hate the United Nations must agree with everything Kofi Annan says warrants serious debate here?
iplaw says "It doesn't matter Conan, we're all going to die, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it...according to the French..."
... hmmm, I guess I musta misread your posts as backhanded sarcasm?
Me so sorry. /sarcasm
~GO BEARS~!!!
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Thankfully, I don't read your stuff often enough...
Wow. dense...Either post something meaningful or move on along troll.
I already did. You chose to ignore it.
Besides, if I waste my intelligent posts on you, all you'd do is accuse me of being....
French. [}:)]
Bears up 7-0!
Yeah, if I bat 1 for 10 I'd be trying to save the good ones up too...you've chosen to equate intelligence with being French...no wonder your a Bears fan!
By the way it's pronounced Dee-oh-der-ant Frenchie.
More evidence of global warming:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782041/posts
Is Gore giving a speech up there?
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Originally posted by guido911
More evidence of global warming:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782041/posts
Is Gore giving a speech up there?
NOPE DOPE LAKE EFFECT BUT NICE LIE!!!
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Originally posted by guido911
More evidence of global warming:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782041/posts
Is Gore giving a speech up there?
Oh come on Gwee Doe Doe, we all know that things like snow, ice, and record cold temperatures are all the result of global "warming", makes perfect sense doesn't it?
Conan: I think what is going on in New York is the "lake effect" exception to global warming. Obviously, the lake effect in New York is causing the freezing temperatures here in Oklahoma and the subzero temperatures throughout the country. That's some lake.
Reduction in greenhouse gasses begs the question, let's say we reverse the emissions, and we wind up with "Global Cooling" what then? [:o)]
Another viewpoint
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece
Here is an interesting article. I normally don't care for the UK times, but it's an interesting read nonetheless. The second article is about the real underlying cause of global warming, solar activity...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/11/warm11.xml
Should I be nervous that I am linking the same articles that as iplaw?
I though one of the blog entries was particularly good as well.
Good hypothesis, observed correlations, testable predictions, in short, good science--unlike the IPPC super computer predictions which have been declared to be "true" without any testing, and with any contrary evidence buried. Global warming activist science is a pseudo science. It mixes moral panic and trashy politics with an immature climate science that has a vested interest in getting research dollars for even bigger super computers on which it will produce ever more elaborate predictions that it will continue to insist "are true" without any evidence beyond that of the computer model itself. Good science encourages competing hypotheses and the time for these to be tested via the collecting of empirical data. The activism of contemporary climate scientists is running rough shod over good science. Anyone who takes the methods of science seriously should protest this junk.
And then there is this:
http://drudgereport.com/flash.htm
I particularly liked his take on Al Gore
Wow! What a smack across the face to Baby Huey...
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Originally posted by guido911
Conan: I think what is going on in New York is the "lake effect" exception to global warming. Obviously, the lake effect in New York is causing the freezing temperatures here in Oklahoma and the subzero temperatures throughout the country. That's some lake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aei0_fP6WdU
All Gore is in D.C. apparently
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/14/75017/3473
"The Biggest Market Failure the World Has Ever Seen"
Short not sweet....
(NORMAN, Okla.) March 2 - Former Vice President Al Gore told Oklahomans on Thursday that dire environmental consequences will result if changes are not made to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases that humans put into the air and sea.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=b748cb85-41f2-4ce7-a4ec-003a1e368870
Gore spoke before a mostly supportive crowd estimated to be about 7,000 people at the university's Lloyd Noble Center, drawing a larger crowd at the arena than the Sooners have for some basketball games this season. His appearance capped a day-long focus at OU on the global warming debate.
He said that "we can have a large impact on global temperatures in the next 100 years with the right decisions in the next 20 years."
Which SHOULD be newsworthy...... but will be about as popular in this state as Karen Silkwood...
The oil industry owns the media and politicians in this state... it's a dirty job, but...
You know your liberal theory is in trouble when the Old Grey B@#ch smacks you:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13gore.html?_r=2&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
And then there's this:
http://newsbusters.org/node/11369