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Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: brunoflipper on December 10, 2006, 09:16:41 AM
(http://www.tulsaworld.com/images/2006/061210_A19_River25269_a19jenks10.jpg)

200 acres...
a canal...
a lake...
and three entrances...
not residential...

my money is on theme park...
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: RecycleMichael on December 10, 2006, 10:02:26 AM
What is the theme?

Suburbia?
High School Football?
Antiques? (Antigua)
Toll Bridges?
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: brunoflipper on December 10, 2006, 11:19:50 AM
does that gate say?

The RiverSix Flags

(http://www.ibew2222.org/sixflags.jpeg)
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: RecycleMichael on December 10, 2006, 11:39:53 AM
Six Flags is selling their Oklahoma City properties and closed it's property in Houston. It would be odd to build in the Tulsa area, but great for us.

Doesn't Bill Gates now own over ten per cent of Six Flags?
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: brunoflipper on December 10, 2006, 05:20:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by recyclemichael

Six Flags is selling their Oklahoma City properties and closed it's property in Houston. It would be odd to build in the Tulsa area, but great for us.

Doesn't Bill Gates now own over ten per cent of Six Flags?

i know just trying to figure out that artwork...
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: bacjz00 on December 10, 2006, 07:17:59 PM
Dude...where did you get the artwork?  Source?  Anything?  Maybe it wouldn't be so mysterious if you'd share a link. [;)]
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Post by: RecycleMichael on December 10, 2006, 08:11:13 PM
The Tulsa World has the graphic.

I enlarged it, The first word is "The", the secord word is "River", but the third word is unreadable.

It looks like a six letter word that starts with a "C" and ends with a "T".

These are the words I could think of that fit that description.

Cachet, Cannot, Carpet, Carrot, Casket, Catgut, Caught, Caveat, Cavort, Cement, Chalet, Christ, Claret, Client, Closet, Cobalt, Cogent, Cohort, Combat, Comfit, Commit, Copout, Cornet, Corset, Covert, Cravat, Credit, Cubist, Cullet, Cutest, Cutlet, Cutout, and Cygnet.

I like many of these...but I doubt they will call it "The River Casket" or "The River Combat".
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: Cubs on December 10, 2006, 10:35:59 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=061210_Ne_A19_River25269
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: Sangria on December 11, 2006, 07:39:47 AM
(Quote from the news story)"Mayor Vic Vreeland said city officials are working on several options to raise additional funds. Tulsa County Commissioner Randi Miller has said that additional funding for a low-water dam at 105th Street would likely be on a county ballot next year as part of a river development initiative that is expected to feature some type of river development in Tulsa through a public-private partnership"


Hmmmmm..... looks like she has not given up.
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: carltonplace on December 11, 2006, 07:56:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by recyclemichael

The Tulsa World has the graphic.

I enlarged it, The first word is "The", the secord word is "River", but the third word is unreadable.

It looks like a six letter word that starts with a "C" and ends with a "T".

These are the words I could think of that fit that description.

Cachet, Cannot, Carpet, Carrot, Casket, Catgut, Caught, Caveat, Cavort, Cement, Chalet, Christ, Claret, Client, Closet, Cobalt, Cogent, Cohort, Combat, Comfit, Commit, Copout, Cornet, Corset, Covert, Cravat, Credit, Cubist, Cullet, Cutest, Cutlet, Cutout, and Cygnet.

I like many of these...but I doubt they will call it "The River Casket" or "The River Combat".



The sign says: "The River District" which is what they are calling the project for now.
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: TheArtist on December 11, 2006, 08:22:36 AM
A boardwalk or nauticle/cape cod themed lifestyle center?

Will be interesting to see just what they do. More retail/restaurants in that area will compete with the Riverwalk.  Not to mention they will have to compete with the new hwy 75 shopping center.

Not likely Bells unless they are partnering with him.  They wouldn't put all that money into it just so Robby could plop his rides there and run the place like he ran it at the fairgrounds.

If it is shopping, sad to see it will not have any living mixed in.

Oh, and whats with the sidewalks not going under the bridge?  And where are those people walking to and from in the renderings?  Those spurty jet fountains are completely unrealistic.  Good ol Oklahoma winds will blow the water away from the tiny pools they have them coming from and all over the sidewalks and grass.  Either the scale is off or those entrances are very rinky dink. You have to be careful about how things look in renderings and translate that to how its going to look in real life.
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Post by: aoxamaxoa on December 11, 2006, 08:29:29 AM
No mystery. First reported Lynn Mitchell several weeks ago here by the axman. Mitchell might be able to make something happen but not Six Flags.
Look for TIF and a p.o.ed Jerry Gordon.
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Post by: RecycleMichael on December 11, 2006, 11:21:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:
Originally posted by recyclemichael

The Tulsa World has the graphic.

I enlarged it, The first word is "The", the secord word is "River", but the third word is unreadable.

It looks like a six letter word that starts with a "C" and ends with a "T".

These are the words I could think of that fit that description.

Cachet, Cannot, Carpet, Carrot, Casket, Catgut, Caught, Caveat, Cavort, Cement, Chalet, Christ, Claret, Client, Closet, Cobalt, Cogent, Cohort, Combat, Comfit, Commit, Copout, Cornet, Corset, Covert, Cravat, Credit, Cubist, Cullet, Cutest, Cutlet, Cutout, and Cygnet.

I like many of these...but I doubt they will call it "The River Casket" or "The River Combat".



The sign says: "The River District" which is what they are calling the project for now.



I was hoping for "Catgut" or "Cutout".
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: BKDotCom on December 11, 2006, 12:04:03 PM
Business park?

re: lack of sidewalk at entrance:
And I've always wondered who's small idea it was to make those underpasses under the turnpike so narrow and tunnel-like...
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: bacjz00 on December 12, 2006, 12:18:49 AM
SOmeone tell me how King's Landing is suddenly an "area attraction"...lol.
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: TheArtist on December 12, 2006, 09:04:01 AM
^Who said that?
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Post by: bacjz00 on December 12, 2006, 10:21:01 AM
*************
From the TW article:

It also shows a pedestrian bridge crossing the river into South Tulsa along with several connecting water taxis that would stop at the area's attractions across the river in south Tulsa, such as King's Landing and the Creek Nation Casino.
*************

It just hammers home the mediocrity of Tulsa thinking.  Selling a new shopping center (lets face it, that's all the "River District" is...no residential right?) because you can ride a water taxi across the river to
ANOTHER strip mall?  Gimme a break.
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Post by: Renaissance on December 12, 2006, 10:30:36 AM
quote:
Originally posted by bacjz00


It just hammers home the mediocrity of Tulsa thinking.  Selling a new shopping center (lets face it, that's all the "River District" is...no residential right?) because you can ride a water taxi across the river to
ANOTHER strip mall?  Gimme a break.



A)  That's the "mediocrity" of Jenks thinking, partner, not Tulsa.  Get your municipalities straight.

B)  You're begging the question by assuming mediocrity and then saying the proposal indeed is mediocre.  How is it actually so?  How is it any different, conceptually, than Bricktown or San Antonio's riverwalk?  Both are based on retail/entertainment models.  What do you want to see in Jenks?

C)  Stop posting on a Tulsa forum if you're going to slam* Tulsa.  It gets on everyone's nerves and earns you no friends here.



*Slamming Tulsa's "thinking" in this particular post, so don't beg off by saying you didn't slam Tulsa.
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: TheArtist on December 12, 2006, 12:56:58 PM
It is easy to forget this is development in Jenks, a tiny suburb of Tulsa.  We shouldn't put all our river development expectations on their shoulders.  They can't be like "The Bridges"  http://www.thebridgesofsaintpaul.com/b07.html thats the kind of development I expect for Tulsa.

However it was inappropriate for the Tulsa World to categorize the Kings Landing as an area attraction. That kind of talk makes the shopping center, Jenks, and Tulsa look worse not better. They were probably trying to make things sound more exciting, but the result is to make us a laughing stock.
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Post by: aoxamaxoa on December 12, 2006, 12:59:21 PM
There is a BIG difference between slamming Tulsa and being honest about all the puffery in this town.
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: perspicuity85 on December 12, 2006, 02:38:54 PM
Something overlooked here is the fact that Jenks is a suburban area by every definition.  For all intents and purposes, Southwest Tulsa, which is part of the Jenks school district, might as well also be called Jenks.  Kings Landing, the Riverwalk Crossing, and this River District project are all suburban projects.  That means they are all going to attempt to cater to middle-aged upper-middle class people with families that live in subdivisions in and around South Tulsa.  That is their market.  All suburban areas are full of mediocre crap like strip malls, Wal-Marts and Applebee's style restaurants.  It's the same thing in hundreds of cities throughout America.

The point is, we shouldn't get so bent out of shape about this.  The suburbs will always be the suburbs.  Tulsa needs to work on building its own urban riverfront district within its urban core.  Let Jenks and all the rest of the 'burbs do their thing, and work towards giving Tulsa a true urban identity.  Who knows,  maybe people in Jenks will actually go to "Tulsa" for a change.
Title: mysterious new jenks riverfront development???
Post by: aoxamaxoa on December 12, 2006, 04:38:14 PM
Leave them out there in Jinx....otherwise, agreed.
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Post by: TheArtist on December 12, 2006, 06:40:44 PM
quote:
Originally posted by perspicuity85

Something overlooked here is the fact that Jenks is a suburban area by every definition.  For all intents and purposes, Southwest Tulsa, which is part of the Jenks school district, might as well also be called Jenks.  Kings Landing, the Riverwalk Crossing, and this River District project are all suburban projects.  That means they are all going to attempt to cater to middle-aged upper-middle class people with families that live in subdivisions in and around South Tulsa.  That is their market.  All suburban areas are full of mediocre crap like strip malls, Wal-Marts and Applebee's style restaurants.  It's the same thing in hundreds of cities throughout America.

The point is, we shouldn't get so bent out of shape about this.  The suburbs will always be the suburbs.  Tulsa needs to work on building its own urban riverfront district within its urban core.  Let Jenks and all the rest of the 'burbs do their thing, and work towards giving Tulsa a true urban identity.  Who knows,  maybe people in Jenks will actually go to "Tulsa" for a change.




I aaabsolutely agree.  Tulsas primary riverfront development, especially that near downtown and midtown need to be urban, not suburban.  There are plenty of places along the river, like near 71st for suburban type development if you like, but I hope that whatever is put near 21st is suburban.  That area should in no way be anything like the incog plan shows for the area which is definitely low density and suburban. It does seem that the Mayor recognizes we have one chance to get that area done right for Tulsa.
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Post by: bacjz00 on December 13, 2006, 10:03:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by perspicuity85

Something overlooked here is the fact that Jenks is a suburban area by every definition.  For all intents and purposes, Southwest Tulsa, which is part of the Jenks school district, might as well also be called Jenks.  Kings Landing, the Riverwalk Crossing, and this River District project are all suburban projects.  That means they are all going to attempt to cater to middle-aged upper-middle class people with families that live in subdivisions in and around South Tulsa.  That is their market.  All suburban areas are full of mediocre crap like strip malls, Wal-Marts and Applebee's style restaurants.  It's the same thing in hundreds of cities throughout America.

The point is, we shouldn't get so bent out of shape about this.  The suburbs will always be the suburbs.  Tulsa needs to work on building its own urban riverfront district within its urban core.  Let Jenks and all the rest of the 'burbs do their thing, and work towards giving Tulsa a true urban identity.  Who knows,  maybe people in Jenks will actually go to "Tulsa" for a change.



Nice perspective...I can't disagree with that.  Tulsa SHOULD by all accounts want a different kind of development than what Jenks is doing.  Perhaps my inclusion of Jenks into Tulsa "thinking" was a bit off-base ;)
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Post by: Double A on February 06, 2007, 04:52:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Sangria

(Quote from the news story)"Mayor Vic Vreeland said city officials are working on several options to raise additional funds. Tulsa County Commissioner Randi Miller has said that additional funding for a low-water dam at 105th Street would likely be on a county ballot next year as part of a river development initiative that is expected to feature some type of river development in Tulsa through a public-private partnership"


Hmmmmm..... looks like she has not given up.



Looks like she's running for reelection and pandering for votes.