http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguJQ_dRPXw
Michael J. Fox...the woman from Everyone Loves Raymond...Kurt Warner...
Michael J. Fox's piece was a misinformation campaign just like this video. My celebrity is bigger than yours.
Honestly, who takes any these people seriously. I wish Hollywood would just stuff it.
Real American A-Holes Mr. Hollywood Protester (//%22http://www.filehosting.cc/file/11033/Glenn-Oct-24-mp3.html%22)
Patricia Heaton (Everybody Loves Raymond) is a great pro-life conservative celebrity. She is not one of these flashy Hollywood celebrities .... I respect her greatly.
Me and you will fight on this one IP. Michael J. Fox's ad was totally political, openly endorsing McKaskill over Talent. Then, Fox took his show on the road to Maryland in that Senate campaign. In this ad, there is no politician endorsement. This ad is in response to a massive disinformation campaign by the stem cell advocates in Missouri. I know you are research nut, so take a look at the proposed amendment and the opposing sides:
Fair and balanced, I report (well, you know)
1. Right to life
http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/October06/nv101706.html
2. Amendment Proponents
http://www.missouricures.com/
My major concern is at the beginning, the amendment claims to ban all cloning. Then towards the bottom it grants legal protection for somatic cell nuclear transfer. This is the scientic definition of "cloning." This was the process used to clone dolly the sheep
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_the_Sheep
As for the persons appears in this ad...You have got to know that Kurt Warner is a deeply Christian, pro-life man. Furthermore, both he, Mike Sweeney, and Jeff Suppan mean a heck of a lot to people in Missouri. Okay Patricia Heaton and Jim Caviezal are Hollywooders, however I find them more credible than Fox.
"Even though I have come to be wary of dead heroes and the overwhelming burden their martyrdom imposes on the living, I will allow myself a prophecy. Or maybe it is a warning. More than 3 billion human beings on this planet right now live on less than $2 a day. And every day that breaks, 40,000 children â€" more than one every second! â€" succumb to diseases linked to chronic hunger.?
Guido....... What you propose to do about this.......?
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Guido....... What you propose to do about this.......?
I don't understand this question. Please use English.
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Patricia Heaton (Everybody Loves Raymond) is a great pro-life conservative celebrity. She is not one of these flashy Hollywood celebrities .... I respect her greatly.
LOL! She agrees with you so she's not "one of those flashy Hollywood celebrities". [}:)]
That says it all. That's one of the problems with you extremists and partisans. You haven't figured it out that someone can actually disagree with you on something and it doesn't automatically make them a demon of evil. The act of disagreeing with a neocon does not make someone unAmerican. Disapproving of the job George Bush is doing does not mean that someone hates our troops. You people need to consider relying on a little bit of truth and reality and not so much on spin and misinformation.
Guido:
We're not going to fight on this at all. I agree that Fox's ad was a misleading piece of crap.
What I hate is that the other side decided to retort with equally ignorant celebrities. Fight fire with fire I suppose.
Anyone who listens to Hollywood yutzes for critical and thoughtful commentary should be hit on the head with a tack hammer before entering the voting booth.
Did you listen to my audio clip on real american a holes, it's good stuff?
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"Even though I have come to be wary of dead heroes and the overwhelming burden their martyrdom imposes on the living, I will allow myself a prophecy. Or maybe it is a warning. More than 3 billion human beings on this planet right now live on less than $2 a day. And every day that breaks, 40,000 children â€" more than one every second! â€" succumb to diseases linked to chronic hunger.?
Is this Sally Struthers?
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Guido....... What you propose to do about this.......?
"Even though I have come to be wary of dead heroes and the overwhelming burden their martyrdom imposes on the living, I will allow myself a prophecy. Or maybe it is a warning. More than 3 billion human beings on this planet right now live on less than $2 a day. And every day that breaks, 40,000 children â€" more than one every second! â€" succumb to diseases linked to chronic hunger.?
I don't understand this question. Please use English.
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Just for you.... All Right to Life... Right Wing... Christian Conservatives.... Are quick to point out that they "Choose Life"... They do not want anything other than that to be on the table....
Fine.. I am all for it.. Now; please explain what these individuals are doing about the children that are already here and are living in the above described... reality.
Rico:
I have to say that I'm right there with you. It's easier to say "save the babies" than it is to give of what you have to put food on their table. Counter point, many who are pro life are equally as giving with their money to charities as the US outgives any other nation on the planet. Organizations like Feed the Children and the like make a huge difference in the world.
Both sides are setting up strawman arguments to make their respective point.
What irritates me is when this argument is somehow used to justify abortion rights. Certianly it speaks to a lack of action and generosity on the part of SOME pro lifers, but it certainly is not a reason to justify a pro choice stance.
I don't think you were trying to justify that belief, but I merely said what I did because some do use it as justification.
Back to the OP now.
RICO:
Your questions have nothing to do with amendment 2 and the disinformation campaign going on in Missouri.
As for solutions to the rampant poverty and starvation problem in the world, I think human cloning is the answer.
IPLAW, come on, there was more to the point of my original post than the Hollywood angle and you know it. And yes. I have heard the Beck clip
I know. There was definitely more to your post than that, but I just can't tolerate any more from Hollywood, from either side.
Kurt Warner doesn't hold that much sway in Missouri anymore, especially since he sucked and sulked in his last couple seasons with the Rams.
The fact he also bolted to the Arizona Cardinals for a while didn't help, either.
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Guido....... What you propose to do about this.......?
"Even though I have come to be wary of dead heroes and the overwhelming burden their martyrdom imposes on the living, I will allow myself a prophecy. Or maybe it is a warning. More than 3 billion human beings on this planet right now live on less than $2 a day. And every day that breaks, 40,000 children â€" more than one every second! â€" succumb to diseases linked to chronic hunger.?
I don't understand this question. Please use English.
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Just for you.... All Right to Life... Right Wing... Christian Conservatives.... Are quick to point out that they "Choose Life"... They do not want anything other than that to be on the table....
Fine.. I am all for it.. Now; please explain what these individuals are doing about the children that are already here and are living in the above described... reality.
Everytime I see the Cubs in flames I have to laugh. I agree that there are plenty of hypocrites on the right that don't do their fair share Rico. There are plenty of them on the left too. Are you trying to insinuate that the more conservative among us don't have feelings and care about this sort of thing? I give to charities all of the time and it bothers me a great deal that there is alot of pain and suffering in the world. I really think people don't put this thing into perspective often enough and I applaud anyone who stands up and tries to help out folks who are in need, wherever they are. After all, we are all human beings and that is one area where I believe borders shouldn't be an issue.
The way I see it, celebrities give their opinions just like pretty much every one of us does here. The only difference is that they've got a bigger audience. Should they just shut up because they're famous? I don't really see why the should. I have my doubts as to whether anyone's mind gets changed because of them announcing their opinion, but then I doubt if anyone's mind changes here over us announcing OUR opinions. From what I see (and for the most part) if you're a right winger, you blast Michael J. Fox and others and say they should just **** while praising Charleston Heston and Charlie Daniels as great statesmen. And if you're a left winger, you probably do the same thing in reverse.
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That says it all. That's one of the problems with you extremists and partisans. You haven't figured it out that someone can actually disagree with you on something and it doesn't automatically make them a demon of evil.
Right back at ya
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That says it all. That's one of the problems with you extremists and partisans. You haven't figured it out that someone can actually disagree with you on something and it doesn't automatically make them a demon of evil.
Right back at ya
Ouch! You're a regular razor blade with those clever retorts!
Stick to politics and stay away from sports. Here's an article with some history re: Warner
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061013/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_warner_retirement
Do you have to fight me on everything?
Page is not found, Guido.
Okay, here's my .02 worth. I really don't care what celebs think, they are not going to influence my vote. I feel like most are out of touch with the common man.
As long as they are an American citizen, I believe they are entitled to their opinion and welcome to campaign for whomever or whatever they choose. Where I draw the line is non-citizen celebs who criticize our government, issues, and candidates.
Limbaugh stuck his foot squarely up his own a$$ for making the comments he did. He's now brought far more attention to the issue than if he would have just kept his big yapper shut. On stem cell research, I think the government is confusing a scientific issue with moral issues, and I don't believe a government which is chartered on a separation of church and state should legislate morality.
(Of course Goldwater said the same thing in running on "states rights" on the 1964 CRA's and he was labled a bigot)[;)].
I think I found guido's link. It's basically saying that Warner might retire at the end of the season:
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/football/061012/f101288.html
Just as well. Like I said before, Warner's stock in Missouri has fallen sharply in recent years, so I question whether he'd be an effective pitchman against stem cell research.
I watched a lot of Rams football before I moved out here two years ago. Warner had about 2 1/2 seasons where he was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. But after that, his abilities dropped precipitously. First, he broke one of his fingers. The finger healed. But it blunted the zip on his passes and made him more fumble-prone. In fact, he led the NFL in fumbles per game in the past few years.
Warner also sustained concussions that I'm convinced affected his decision-making on the field. He was holding the ball too long (thus taking a lot of sacks) and throwing the ball too often into double- and triple-coverage. So his interceptions went way up.
Naturally, when Warner started fumbling and throwing interceptions, the Rams benched him. Warner complained about the benching a lot to the media (bad move) and sulked (another bad move). His wife also made a lot of complaints about the coach to the media (another bad move, especially since said coach had one of the best winning percentages in the league).
Now Warner can't even hold a starting job on a dogcrap team. To top it off, that team is despised by St. Louis football fans (Arizona Cardinals) because it used to be in St. Louis until its idiot owner Bill Bidwill, sulking because not as many fans came to see a lousy-to-mediocre team, moved to Arizona. Bidwill is universally recognized in the NFL as the league's worst owner.
That's why it's questionable enlisting pro athletes in political ads -- these athletes are only as good as their last game, and such ads can backfire.
I held my breath when I heard that Cardinals pitcher Jeff Suppan did one of those ads. If he stunk it up in Game 4 of the World Series and handed Detroit a crucial victory, then the ads would have been ill-advised. Suppan didn't pitch great last night, but didn't pitch horribly, either (a no-decision). But it goes to show it's a dicey proposition to stake your stance on an athlete, compared to a longtime statesman like John Danforth who's been held in high esteem for decades.
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Okay, here's my .02 worth. I really don't care what celebs think, they are not going to influence my vote. I feel like most are out of touch with the common man.
I don't give a hoot what they think either. I just feel like they've got just as much right to give their opinions as any of us here has.
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As long as they are an American citizen, I believe they are entitled to their opinion and welcome to campaign for whomever or whatever they choose. Where I draw the line is non-citizen celebs who criticize our government, issues, and candidates.
This is probably not what you're talking about but as far as freedom of speech
as a right goes, it doesn't matter whether they're citizens or not.
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Limbaugh stuck his foot squarely up his own a$$ for making the comments he did. He's now brought far more attention to the issue than if he would have just kept his big yapper shut.
I think Rush showed his true colors. Hardball politics is one thing but that was pretty damn low even for him.
In my opinion, Rush showed his true colors years ago. I actually listened to him waaay back. After listening for a few years, I agreed with alot of what he said, but then I saw the bias of his viewpoints (all Democrats BAD/all Republicans GOOD), and couldn't stomach him after that. My brother listens to him daily and we argue about it all of the time.
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In my opinion, Rush showed his true colors years ago. I actually listened to him waaay back. After listening for a few years, I agreed with alot of what he said, but then I saw the bias of his viewpoints (all Democrats BAD/all Republicans GOOD), and couldn't stomach him after that. My brother listens to him daily and we argue about it all of the time.
Well, I agree with that. But I still think that this is a new low even for him.
He seems to be sinking lower every time he shows his face. Here's some advice from our old buddy Matt Foley.
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Rush is a one trick pony. Snopes, like you, I listened in early on and got great laughs out of his satire pieces and he did shine the light on some things that weren't being reported elsewhere. It is so rare though that he ever casts a dispersion on a conservative that I consider his view about as credible as Olbermann.
I was really nauseated when KRMG picked up Hannity in the afternoon. Great, another three hours of Limbaugh with a nasally Long Island twang. I do watch H & C occasionally because there is some balance and Hannity can't run away un-checked.
As far as the radio show I like the best, it's Neil Boortz. He's not a fan of liberals, but he doesn't give out free passes on every issue to the GOP either. He also doesn't appear to take himself as seriously as a lot of commentators these days. He's got good variety- yesterday Jeff Burton (NASCAR)called in and they talked racing, this morning Boortz was talking about his cat named "Drop Kick". [}:)]
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This is probably not what you're talking about but as far as freedom of speech as a right goes, it doesn't matter whether they're citizens or not.
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Actually, it matters to me. A non-citizen using their celebrity and/or money to influence voters in a country where they are not a citizen rubs me the wrong way. They are not registered to vote here and they do not participate in our political process so I prefer they keep their opinion and influence to themself.
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This is probably not what you're talking about but as far as freedom of speech as a right goes, it doesn't matter whether they're citizens or not.
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Actually, it matters to me. A non-citizen using their celebrity and/or money to influence voters in a country where they are not a citizen rubs me the wrong way. They are not registered to vote here and they do not participate in our political process so I prefer they keep their opinion and influence to themself.
Whether we like it or not, they do have that right, in a public venue anyway. But I understand what you're saying. It irks me too. It's like Texans that move to Oklahoma and then spend all their time cooing about how much better Texas is than Oklahoma. If it's so much freakin' better, why are they living in Oklahoma?
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Rush is a one trick pony. Snopes, like you, I listened in early on and got great laughs out of his satire pieces and he did shine the light on some things that weren't being reported elsewhere. It is so rare though that he ever casts a dispersion on a conservative that I consider his view about as credible as Olbermann.
I was really nauseated when KRMG picked up Hannity in the afternoon. Great, another three hours of Limbaugh with a nasally Long Island twang. I do watch H & C occasionally because there is some balance and Hannity can't run away un-checked.
As far as the radio show I like the best, it's Neil Boortz. He's not a fan of liberals, but he doesn't give out free passes on every issue to the GOP either. He also doesn't appear to take himself as seriously as a lot of commentators these days. He's got good variety- yesterday Jeff Burton (NASCAR)called in and they talked racing, this morning Boortz was talking about his cat named "Drop Kick". [}:)]
Boortz I like, but I haven't heard him in awhile. I'm so glad Tony Snow is off the air. Bush thought he was such a mouthpiece, he hired him!
World Series MVP speaks out.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/F5F795CB1C6DCB058625721B00048783?OpenDocument
Yeah, just another celeb. Still, kinda interesting that superstar athletes have a moral conscience (right or wrong). I will be voting NO on 2.