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Title: November 2014 Results
Post by: sgrizzle on November 04, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
Glad to see Anna over Arianna. Neither are a bad person, but Arianna seemed out of her depth. The KRMG radio interview with her made it pretty clear.

Didn't know Steele was on the outs, but I believe he was another candidate put in office by a certain local campaign manager. Never saw much one way or the other from him.

GT Bynum was a lock from day 1. His watch party was probably his sofa.

Not surprised Fallin, Inhoffe, Langford, Markwayne, etc. won. A percentage vote for the incumbent, a percentage vote straight republican, that always leaves a very small amount to shift one way or the other. I figure they are sitting at 30-40% who would vote for them if they're dead. That means challenger need to win more like 75% or more of the undecideds, not really 51% of the electorate.

The state superintendent race was close. Didn't have real strong feelings either way since Barresi was out.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: RecycleMichael on November 04, 2014, 10:04:47 PM
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 04, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
Glad to see Anna over Arianna. Neither are a bad person, but Arianna seemed out of her depth. The KRMG radio interview with her made it pretty clear.

The election was today?
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: patric on November 04, 2014, 11:17:53 PM
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 04, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
Not surprised Fallin, Inhoffe, Langford, Markwayne, etc. won. A percentage vote for the incumbent, a percentage vote straight republican

There were an exceptionally high number of idiots in traffic today, so im wondering if the people who come out to re-elect... only drive once every 4 or 6 years.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Red Arrow on November 05, 2014, 07:31:23 AM
Quote from: patric on November 04, 2014, 11:17:53 PM
There were an exceptionally high number of idiots in traffic today, so im wondering if the people who come out to re-elect... only drive once every 4 or 6 years.

So you were out for your 4 to 6 year drive yesterday.  It had to be you since those of us who drive regularly notice there are always an exceptionally high number of idiots in traffic.

;D

Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Ibanez on November 05, 2014, 08:30:41 AM
Fallin is turning out to be our version of Obama.

Hold on a minute...let me explain.

What I mean is she was re-elected, but I have yet to meet anyone who actually voted for her. I'm saying this as a Republican with a large circle or Republican friends, co-workers, etc... and I didn't vote for her, never have, nor do I know anyone who did. My Democrat friends, of which there are many, many more than my Republican friends are of course in the same boat. So how did someone who is universally disliked and had large numbers, at least in my circle of friends, of members of her own political party voting against her get re-elected?
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: DolfanBob on November 05, 2014, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: Ibanez on November 05, 2014, 08:30:41 AM
Fallin is turning out to be our version of Obama.

Hold on a minute...let me explain.

What I mean is she was re-elected, but I have yet to meet anyone who actually voted for her. I'm saying this as a Republican with a large circle or Republican friends, co-workers, etc... and I didn't vote for her, never have, nor do I know anyone who did. My Democrat friends, of which there are many, many more than my Republican friends are of course in the same boat. So how did someone who is universally disliked and had large numbers, at least in my circle of friends, of members of her own political party voting against her get re-elected?

Exactly! All I heard from people was she's got to go. And yet she wins. Same thing I heard from people in Arkansas about wild Bill when he ran for President. No one in that State liked him and was glad to have gotten rid of him. And yet he won that State. I'm not saying there is some poll fixing going on here. But there's some poll fixing going on here.  ;D
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 05, 2014, 08:45:39 AM
You guys are listening to the wrong people, obviously....  there are still 68% of Oklahoman's who are perfectly content with our current state of affairs (like the one she had with the highway patrolman). 

Being "Ok" is plenty good enough....

Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: TeeDub on November 05, 2014, 08:50:46 AM

I voted independent and threw my vote away.    I couldn't vote for Dorman as every time I saw him I just pictured him driving a child molester van.   (That and his "I will make money appear from nowhere and give it to schools" campaign.)
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 05, 2014, 08:59:37 AM
Quote from: TeeDub on November 05, 2014, 08:50:46 AM
I voted independent and threw my vote away.    I couldn't vote for Dorman as every time I saw him I just pictured him driving a child molester van.   (That and his "I will make money appear from nowhere and give it to schools" campaign.)



You mean like the lottery money promises??

Or just blatantly reducing spending by $200 million?

Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: saintnicster on November 05, 2014, 09:10:41 AM
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 04, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
Neither are a bad person

HAH!

I knew Arianna in college, and have friends who have interacted with her since she has been in office.  Pretty sure she hasn't changed much in the past few years.  Luckily, I am not in her district.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Conan71 on November 05, 2014, 09:22:48 AM
Quote from: Ibanez on November 05, 2014, 08:30:41 AM
Fallin is turning out to be our version of Obama.

Hold on a minute...let me explain.

What I mean is she was re-elected, but I have yet to meet anyone who actually voted for her. I'm saying this as a Republican with a large circle or Republican friends, co-workers, etc... and I didn't vote for her, never have, nor do I know anyone who did. My Democrat friends, of which there are many, many more than my Republican friends are of course in the same boat. So how did someone who is universally disliked and had large numbers, at least in my circle of friends, of members of her own political party voting against her get re-elected?

My wife and I both voted for Dorman.  I met him at the ORA convention in August and really took a liking to him.  

I know exactly what happened: People like my wife's parents and my mother got caught up in the ads associating Dorman with Obama.  The worst Dorman had was associating Failin' with Janet Barissi.  Dorman's bogeyman was worse than Failin's, apparently.

I consider my mother to usually be pretty middle of the road, but she was just adamant she couldn't elect someone who either did or might have voted for Obama.  As for the in-laws, they are very strong 2A supporters, he's an officer in the ORA and a life-long member of the NRA.  At the ORA convention, he talked like he could vote for Dorman because Failin' had been such a disappointment.  When it came down to it, he couldn't vote for someone so "closely associated with Obama and his policies."   ::)

I suspect policy messages were largely ignored in most elections across the country last night.  Anyone remotely associated with Obama was an easy target.  If you ran as a Democrat, you were an Obama supporter, that was the message from GOP strategists.  Period.  That's apparent with the number of state legislatures and governor's offices which changed parties yesterday.  It was an easy kill for the GOP.

I strongly disagree with the Democratic's assertion that the power change in the Senate and more seats being captured in the HOR indicative that people want more compromise in Washington.  How could you possibly cobble that sort of logic together after the obstinance of the GOP for the last six years?  This was a very strong repudiation of a president who is very unpopular.  It's too bad it took six years for people to see the level of his incompetence instead of four.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: patric on November 05, 2014, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 05, 2014, 08:45:39 AM
You guys are listening to the wrong people, obviously....  there are still 68% of Oklahoman's who are perfectly content with our current state of affairs (like the one she had with the highway patrolman).

The centerpiece of her victory speech is how she is going to keep up the stalemate with Washington.

"We fought hard any time the federal government overstepped its boundaries and tried to force bad policy down upon Oklahoma."

You're doing fine Oklahoma... with less and less funding for education, roads,
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Conan71 on November 05, 2014, 09:46:33 AM
I'm waiting for the first editorial to claim this election was the result of deep-seated racist attitudes toward a black president.  Just wait, some nitwit is cobbling it together as we speak.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Townsend on November 05, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
Oklahoma Democrats Take Stock of Election Day Whipping

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/oklahoma-democrats-take-stock-election-day-whipping (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/oklahoma-democrats-take-stock-election-day-whipping)

QuoteDemocrats are reflecting on what happened in Oklahoma and across the nation in the wake of the election day Republican rout. Not unexpectedly, the GOP won big in the Sooner State, but Oklahoma Democratic Chair Wallace Collins says they were expecting a better showing in a couple of races...the Governor's race and that for Superintendent of Public Instruction.

Collins believes that out of state money poured into Republican coffers had a big influence on the outcome. He also says the failure of young voters to go to the polls hurt Democrats. He thinks less money hampered Democratic efforts to get their message out to voters to inspire them to get to the polls.

I've got to guess most of the story was cut for brevity.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: guido911 on November 05, 2014, 12:22:54 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on November 05, 2014, 09:46:33 AM
I'm waiting for the first editorial to claim this election was the result of deep-seated racist attitudes toward a black president.  Just wait, some nitwit is cobbling it together as we speak.

Rs just elected the first AA woman to the House and AA senator from the south since reconstruction.

The flat earthers were out in force yesterday.

(http:///%3E%3Cbr%20/%3EOut%20of%20those%20six%20races,%20only%20two%20candidates%20willing%20to%20take%20action%20on%20climate%20change%20won%20their%20races.%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3EIn%20Michigan,%20Rep.%20Gary%20Peters%20(D)%20won,%20and%20in%20New%20Hampshire%20Sen.%20Jeanne%20Shaheen%20(D)%20held%20on%20to%20her%20seat.%20But%20Republicans%20picked%20up%20crucial%20Senate%20seats%20in%20Colorado,%20Iowa%20and%20North%20Carolina.)

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/223028-did-climate-change-win-at-the-ballot-box
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: guido911 on November 05, 2014, 12:56:53 PM
http://twitter.com/bustedcoverage/status/529966449289228288/photo/1
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Conan71 on November 05, 2014, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: Townsend on November 05, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
Oklahoma Democrats Take Stock of Election Day Whipping

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/oklahoma-democrats-take-stock-election-day-whipping (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/oklahoma-democrats-take-stock-election-day-whipping)

I've got to guess most of the story was cut for brevity.

I suppose that's one way to spin it.  Why not just cut to the chase and say the people who enthusiastically turned out to support Obama and Democrats in the pastkept their wallets in their pockets and stayed home in 2014.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: sgrizzle on November 05, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 05, 2014, 08:45:39 AM
You guys are listening to the wrong people, obviously....  there are still 68% of Oklahoman's who are perfectly content with our current state of affairs (like the one she had with the highway patrolman). 

Being "Ok" is plenty good enough....



Only 40% voted, and of those 55% voted for Fallin.... so technically 22% of voters in Oklahoma stated that they are content with Fallin. 78% voted against her or didn't vote at all.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: guido911 on November 05, 2014, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 05, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
Only 40% voted, and of those 55% voted for Fallin.... so technically 22% of voters in Oklahoma stated that they are content with Fallin. 78% voted against her or didn't vote at all.

That's Obama math from earlier today.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Red Arrow on November 05, 2014, 10:49:10 PM
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 05, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
Only 40% voted, and of those 55% voted for Fallin.... so technically 22% of voters in Oklahoma stated that they are content with Fallin. 78% voted against her or didn't vote at all.

Only 18% felt strongly enough against her to actually get off their butt and vote against her.

82% wanted her to continue to be Governor or didn't mind her continuing.

Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on November 05, 2014, 11:01:07 PM
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 05, 2014, 10:49:10 PM

82% wanted her to continue to be Governor or didn't mind her continuing.



So 82% of the voters are related to kimchi.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: sauerkraut on November 06, 2014, 10:45:57 AM
I'm very happy with is election, even blue states like West VA went Red because of  the democrats war on coal & oil, coal  is the life blood of West VA, Oklahoma as usual went solid Red. Obama still plans to Bull-On against the wishes of the people with his open amnesty plan  for 34  million illegals, still plans to ban the Keystone Pipeline, and will allow no coal digging in West VA. Obamas war on Coal & Oil is still going strong. At least the republicans will stop the ship from taking on more water and we can start fixing the leaks  until things change in 2016.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Gaspar on November 06, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
Saw several of the exploding heads this morning talking about how the Republicans out-spent the poor Democrats with the backing of. . . THE EVIL KOCH BROTHERS!

It seems they are mistaken.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1xSxopCEAEVZa5.jpg)

Republicans didn't need to outspend, all they had to do was get out of the way.  Best not to interfere with your opponent when he is in the process of destroying himself.

All that was necessary for Republican victory was just the slightest association of a Democrat opponent with president Obama, or his policies.

This election was not won by the Republicans, it was lost by the Democrats.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: guido911 on November 06, 2014, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on November 06, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
Saw several of the exploding heads this morning talking about how the Republicans out-spent the poor Democrats with the backing of. . . THE EVIL KOCH BROTHERS!

It seems they are mistaken.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1xSxopCEAEVZa5.jpg)

Republicans didn't need to outspend, all they had to do was get out of the way.  Best not to interfere with your opponent when he is in the process of destroying himself.

All that was necessary for Republican victory was just the slightest association of a Democrat opponent with president Obama, or his policies.

This election was not won by the Republicans, it was lost by the Democrats.

Your last sentence is the real issue. Money in politics will always exist, and in my view is just an excuse.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Townsend on November 06, 2014, 04:27:58 PM
Sounds like we'll have 2 years of attempted repeal of Obamacare.

I'm pretty sure we're not going to see much difference with the new senate.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Hoss on November 06, 2014, 05:03:17 PM
Quote from: Townsend on November 06, 2014, 04:27:58 PM
Sounds like we'll have 2 years of attempted repeal of Obamacare.

I'm pretty sure we're not going to see much difference with the new senate.

Which is what I said six months ago when I was sure this would happen.  Happens every six years especially in the final midterm of a President's second term.  Happened to the last four presidents if I'm not mistaken.

Except that now the divide between the parties is so incredible sharp, that pundits are already in an outrage when ole Turtle McConnell said he was willing to start compromising.  The hard line right wingers will have none of that so called 'compromise'.

It used to be known as 'governing'.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: RecycleMichael on November 06, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
Same circus, different clowns.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: sauerkraut on November 07, 2014, 10:44:34 AM
This election was a vote to stop Obama, if the voters wanted a comprimise with Obama they would of voted for more democrats. The voters spoke loud and clear to change direction, and stop Obama. It looks like the Keystone Pipeline could be built now many democrats in the senate side with the republicans in supporting the Keystone pipeline and they have votes to over-ride Obama's Keystone veto. Harry Reid is no more. There'a new sheriff in town.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Hoss on November 07, 2014, 11:00:33 AM
Quote from: sauerkraut on November 07, 2014, 10:44:34 AM
This election was a vote to stop Obama, if the voters wanted a comprimise with Obama they would of voted for more democrats. The voters spoke loud and clear to change direction, and stop Obama. It looks like the Keystone Pipeline could be built now many democrats in the senate side with the republicans in supporting the Keystone pipeline and they have votes to over-ride Obama's Keystone veto. Harry Reid is no more. There'a new sheriff in town.


Hmm...guess you've never heard of the veto.

You have GOT to be a plant.  Nobody on earth is this stupid.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 07, 2014, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: sauerkraut on November 07, 2014, 10:44:34 AM
This election was a vote to stop Obama, if the voters wanted a comprimise with Obama they would of voted for more democrats. The voters spoke loud and clear to change direction, and stop Obama. It looks like the Keystone Pipeline could be built now many democrats in the senate side with the republicans in supporting the Keystone pipeline and they have votes to over-ride Obama's Keystone veto. Harry Reid is no more. There'a new sheriff in town.



Wasn't that big a "loud and clear" - the Senate change of 7 states was done with dramatically reduced turnout - 38 states had reduced turnout from 2010.

And of those 7 states, the difference was about 585,000 votes out of about 7,555,000 cast for Rep and Dem.  About a 7% difference - which means that is Dems had gotten about 3.9% more and Reps had gotten 3.8% less, the Senate would not have changed that much.  Realistically, this shows that we are still massively divided.  People are massively uninterested for whatever reason.  And small polarizing "shocks" to the system can have huge effects.


And this note really isn't to sauer, since he won't understand anyway....he still thinks Keystone will mean something economically significant for Oklahoma and the nation....



And Hoss,....yes he is, and yes, we have lots of them here....see results for Failin', Inhofe....

Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Townsend on November 07, 2014, 12:25:00 PM
2 more years of stalemate. 

All of this huffing and puffing was done by the mid-term elected officials during Clinton's 2nd term and Bush's 2nd term.

I'm guessing the GOP still has too many of the coo-coo-nonnies to get anything going.

We'll sit here on the forum arguing about who's fault the stagnation is while being disappointed by the federal and state government's lack of success.

2 more years of "repeal Obamacare" and "this is what my version of Jesus wants".
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: guido911 on November 08, 2014, 02:34:50 AM
Nope T. It;s going to be 2 years of this:



Topped only by tone deaf and dbaggery.
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Townsend on November 08, 2014, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: guido911 on November 08, 2014, 02:34:50 AM
Nope T. It;s going to be 2 years of this:


Topped only by tone deaf and dbaggery.

see?
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: sauerkraut on December 09, 2014, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: Hoss on November 07, 2014, 11:00:33 AM

Hmm...guess you've never heard of the veto.

You have GOT to be a plant.  Nobody on earth is this stupid.
Never heard of Congress over-riding a presidents veto? It happens! Many democrats will join republicans in some issues such as the KeyStone Pipeline. Here in Oklahoma  we can expect more economic growth and a strong economy with The Fallin Administration re-elected  and republicans in the state house. We are doing good in Oklahoma! :)
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 09, 2014, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 09, 2014, 02:46:18 PM
Never heard of Congress over-riding a presidents veto? It happens! Many democrats will join republicans in some issues such as the KeyStone Pipeline. Here in Oklahoma  we can expect more economic growth and a strong economy with The Fallin Administration re-elected  and republicans in the state house. We are doing good in Oklahoma! :)


Consider this a formal request for 1....  just 1, since even that appears to be way beyond your normal capabilities... example of how the Keystone Pipeline is gonna provide any of the promises that you are buying into from Faux News.   Just 1.  BUT, and here is the tough part, make it rational.  Make it true.  Make it real.


For the love of God, Justice, and the American way!!  TRY hard to connect to the real world for just enough time - it need only be a minute, or possibly less - to write something that is correct!!   I have great faith in the human species and the human spirit....  I KNOW you can do it if you just try hard enough!!  Take notes while working up your answer, if need be!!



Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Conan71 on December 09, 2014, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 09, 2014, 02:46:18 PM
Never heard of Congress over-riding a presidents veto? It happens! Many democrats will join republicans in some issues such as the KeyStone Pipeline. Here in Oklahoma  we can expect more economic growth and a strong economy with The Fallin Administration re-elected  and republicans in the state house. We are doing good in Oklahoma! :)

Hey, just curious, how is Obama making gas prices keep inching down closer to $2.00 a gallon, Sauer?
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: Hoss on December 09, 2014, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 09, 2014, 02:46:18 PM
Never heard of Congress over-riding a presidents veto? It happens! Many democrats will join republicans in some issues such as the KeyStone Pipeline. Here in Oklahoma  we can expect more economic growth and a strong economy with The Fallin Administration re-elected  and republicans in the state house. We are doing good in Oklahoma! :)

Uh...2/3rds majority is required in both chambers to override.

Let's do maths:

Number needed in house to override : 280.  Number of Republicans in House: 246.  Oops.
Number needed in senate to override:  67  Number of Republicans in Senate: 54.  Oops again.

Only 10 percent of vetoes have ever been overriden.   You know who had the most overriden vetoes (percentage-wise)?  Andrew Johnson at 52%.  Bush was second (GW) at 33%. 

Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: TheArtist on December 09, 2014, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 09, 2014, 02:46:18 PM
Never heard of Congress over-riding a presidents veto? It happens! Many democrats will join republicans in some issues such as the KeyStone Pipeline. Here in Oklahoma  we can expect more economic growth and a strong economy with The Fallin Administration re-elected  and republicans in the state house. We are doing good in Oklahoma! :)

There is already a de-facto Keystone type pipeline running from Canada to the Gulf.  Guess those workers can now go to finishing another one to help further increase global oil supplies and bring down gas prices so that our local oil companies can cut back on new projects and lay off more people.  Win-lose?

http://www.newson6.com/story/27584841/north-dakota-canadian-crude-oil-now-flowing-in-new-pipeline-to-cushing

http://www.newson6.com/story/27581938/falling-crude-oil-prices-prompts-oil-company-cuts

China's economy is only going to keep slowing down, who knows it could even crash, slowing oil demand.  Meanwhile energy efficiencies (vehicles, lighting, etc.) and renewables will only become more competitive (cheaper and more efficient).  And drilling technologies will also become more effective.  All these trends tell me that Oklahoma better not be relying too much on oil right now or in the next 2-5-10 years (barring some "dramatic unforeseen").  State revenues are going to be down.  What's next folks?  How have we been planning for this future?

 
Title: Re: November 2014 Results
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 09, 2014, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: TheArtist on December 09, 2014, 09:58:40 PM
There is already a de-facto Keystone type pipeline running from Canada to the Gulf.  Guess those workers can now go to finishing another one to help further increase global oil supplies and bring down gas prices so that our local oil companies can cut back on new projects and lay off more people.  Win-lose?

State revenues are going to be down.  What's next folks?  How have we been planning for this future?

 


Not de-facto - there is a pipeline that goes east to about Winnipeg, then swings south.


Next?  Recession.  Within a year....as I have predicted before.  Hopefully mild.

And no, we have not been planning for this future at all.  In fact, we have been anti-planning for this future.  Cuts to education.  Tax cuts to reduce our ability to fix infrastructure.  Showing ourselves in the worst possible light to the rest of the country by way of Inhofe and his insane rambling.  We're doing great!!