My boss has said that his iPad has been rendered useless. The new update released for it has made it extremely slow loading any of the apps. I'm sure that a few of you own the devise. And I was wondering if it is happening to yours? I haven't seen anything online other than the ios 8 software update for the new iPhone being a major problem. Along with the bending of the plus unit.
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 26, 2014, 10:46:49 AM
My boss has said that his iPad has been rendered useless. The new update released for it has made it extremely slow loading any of the apps. I'm sure that a few of you own the devise. And I was wondering if it is happening to yours? I haven't seen anything online other than the ios 8 software update for the new iPhone being a major problem. Along with the bending of the plus unit.
My past experience on iOS updates for the phone has been it slows it down to the point you just relent and buy the next generation phone. Certainly that's not by design or anything ;)
I have a 3rd generation iPad. I haven't noticed anything different, as far as speed goes, since I did the update to iOS 8. So far, I haven't found anything with a "Wow Factor" included in the update either.
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 26, 2014, 10:46:49 AM
My boss has said that his iPad has been rendered useless. The new update released for it has made it extremely slow loading any of the apps. I'm sure that a few of you own the devise. And I was wondering if it is happening to yours? I haven't seen anything online other than the ios 8 software update for the new iPhone being a major problem. Along with the bending of the plus unit.
We have three ipads (one cellular 3rd gen, one wifi 3rd gen and one 4th gen) and an ipad retina mini, no issues with any of them. No issues with the phones either, but I didn't attempt 8.0.1.
I actually installed 8.0 gold master about three weeks ago on my personal devices when it was first available before the general release. I'm also already running Yosemite Beta on my Macbook with no issues.
Quote from: dioscorides on September 26, 2014, 10:52:05 AM
I have a 3rd generation iPad. I haven't noticed anything different, as far as speed goes, since I did the update to iOS 8. So far, I haven't found anything with a "Wow Factor" included in the update either.
Hand off is cool, I like it a lot.
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 26, 2014, 10:46:49 AM
My boss has said that his iPad has been rendered useless. The new update released for it has made it extremely slow loading any of the apps. I'm sure that a few of you own the devise. And I was wondering if it is happening to yours? I haven't seen anything online other than the ios 8 software update for the new iPhone being a major problem. Along with the bending of the plus unit.
Get an Android. Problem solved.
;D
Quote from: swake on September 26, 2014, 10:55:45 AM
Hand off is cool, I like it a lot.
It does look like it will be pretty nice. My iMac is giving me problems, at the moment. Hopefully, I will be able to get Yosemite to run on it.
We have iPads from every generation here at the office as well as just about every android device available (we need them for testing). So far the new update hasn't had any negative effect on our iPads or iPhones.
I would have to agree though, that Android is a far better business platform, but iOS is great for older users who aren't as tech-savy.
Quote from: Hoss on September 26, 2014, 11:16:20 AM
Get an Android. Problem solved.
;D
Why, because then you never get software updates?
I prefer to be my OS provider's customer and not their product anyway.
Quote from: Gaspar on September 26, 2014, 11:48:59 AM
We have iPads from every generation here at the office as well as just about every android device available (we need them for testing). So far the new update hasn't had any negative effect on our iPads or iPhones.
I would have to agree though, that Android is a far better business platform, but iOS is great for older users who aren't as tech-savy.
Funny, I work for a software company and nearly every single developer, DBA and engineer we have carries an iPhone. The people in customer care seem to all have huge Samsungs, but not the real technical people. Almost all the web developers and graphic designers work on Macs as well. There are lots of iPads here too but outside of the QA devices I have never seen an Android tablet in use in the office.
Quote from: Hoss on September 26, 2014, 11:16:20 AM
Get an Android. Problem solved.
;D
He went and bought the LG G pad and is going to give it a 15 day free trial. His plan all along was to use his LG G3 phone for three months and send it back after the iPhone 6 release. And now he is saying that he may just keep the LG depending on how well this tablet works out. He's kind of a Techno nut.
Quote from: swake on September 26, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
Funny, I work for a software company and nearly every single developer, DBA and engineer we have carries an iPhone. The people in customer care seem to all have huge Samsungs, but not the real technical people. Almost all the web developers and graphic designers work on Macs as well. There are lots of iPads here too but outside of the QA devices I have never seen an Android tablet in use in the office.
From the user side iOS is awesome! Carried one for years. Use a MacBook pro myself (handles large graphic files better). When you start to get into real business applications ERP, CRM, and MRP, it becomes very expensive and difficult to use anything but Android as an OS. Porting enterprise level applications to iOS sucks, and from a hardware side they are much more expensive and harder to manage on the network. It's kinda what we do, but then again we are "idiots."
Quote from: Gaspar on September 26, 2014, 11:48:59 AM
We have iPads from every generation here at the office as well as just about every android device available (we need them for testing). So far the new update hasn't had any negative effect on our iPads or iPhones.
I would have to agree though, that Android is a far better business platform, but iOS is great for older users who aren't as tech-savy.
Something we agree on! Finally. ;)
However, I have rooted both of the Android devices *that I own*. Company provides me with a Galaxy S5, my personal phone is a Nexus 5 and I have a Nexus 10 tablet.
I tell people the iPhones are the "Smart Phone for Dummies". :P
Quote from: swake on September 26, 2014, 11:51:40 AM
Why, because then you never get software updates?
I prefer to be my OS provider's customer and not their product anyway.
If you buy straight Android (read that as Google's Nexus line, which I do) then yes..you get updates when Google pushes them. And the carriers have gotten better at getting their devices updated quickly, depending on hardware compatibility.
I don't like not having the ability to browse my phone like a device when I want to. Why I won't ever own another Apple product. I had to carry one for work the first two years I worked there, but now we have a choice. Where I work, if you carry an iPhone, you can't upgrade except every two years. With the Android devices, it's every year. Which is why in August I had them order me an S5. But to each their own.
Plus remember, Apple is the company that tried to say 'who would want a phone with a screen larger than 4 inches'. And then when proven wrong, they go out and produce one with a 5.5 inch screen. About two years too late.
Quote from: Hoss on September 26, 2014, 02:03:46 PM
Something we agree on! Finally. ;)
However, I have rooted both of the Android devices *that I own*. Company provides me with a Galaxy S5, my personal phone is a Nexus 5 and I have a Nexus 10 tablet.
I tell people the iPhones are the "Smart Phone for Dummies". :P
I'm a CyanogenMod fan myself. HTC ONE now but came from Samsung S4. Also have Nexus 10, lots of iPads (mostly kids toys now), and a bunch of various Motorola tablets and phones that I was sent for testing (the Motorola Max is nice, wife uses it). The older ones I have rooted to through Cyanogen but most of the newer stuff has moved right up to Kit Kat, so I keep it stock.
The carriers are getting away from the bloatware, in leu of devices that use the native Google launcher, or at least offer the option to choose (like my HTC).
Quote from: Gaspar on September 26, 2014, 02:22:18 PM
I'm a CyanogenMod fan myself. HTC ONE now but came from Samsung S4. Also have Nexus 10, lots of iPads (mostly kids toys now), and a bunch of various Motorola tablets and phones that I was sent for testing (the Motorola Max is nice, wife uses it). The older ones I have rooted to through Cyanogen but most of the newer stuff has moved right up to Kit Kat, so I keep it stock.
The carriers are getting away from the bloatware, in leu of devices that use the native Google launcher, or at least offer the option to choose (like my HTC).
I like Samsung's launcher and interface on the S5, but I also like having the ability to choose. Apple doesn't provide that, unless you jailbreak it, which is far more time consuming than rooting an Android phone.
The one downside about the Nexus line is the soft navigation keys (back/home/tasks). But even that has an upside to it (when rotated to landscape the keys rotate with it).
I'm waiting for the Nexus 6/X/whatever they're going to call it. Signs point to Motorola producing it (the Nexus 5 was an LG product) as a next-generation Moto X with a 5.7 inch screen, but rumors abound.
Quote from: swake on September 26, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
Funny, I work for a software company and nearly every single developer, DBA and engineer we have carries an iPhone. The people in customer care seem to all have huge Samsungs, but not the real technical people. Almost all the web developers and graphic designers work on Macs as well. There are lots of iPads here too but outside of the QA devices I have never seen an Android tablet in use in the office.
We have an even split amongst the geeks....about half of us are religious fanatics (iPhone) and the rest are Androids. Company provides either - personal choice - for tech services types and they seem to be slightly more Android....maybe 60/40. IT guys like the iPhone, but they don't do any "real" work.... (ducking now...!!)
I share an iPad with another engineer for light occasional development and casual web surfing.
None of the phone users of either type has any kind of real performance advantage over the other for making phone calls. The network has much bigger impact! And both sides send/receive data, take pictures, etc just as well as the other. No one has ever had a situation where they tried to send a file and lamented "If only I had a ....<fill in the other kind of phone>...
The biggest single item that is a universal complaint from both sides is that the screens are not viewable (in a reasonable way) outdoors on a job site with either type device. The work we do, ya gotta use it outdoors and pretty much gotta put it in a shadow box to make it viewable. Laptops - same problem....
Quote from: Hoss on September 26, 2014, 02:03:46 PM
I tell people the iPhones are the "Smart Phone for Dummies". :P
Fits me to a "T"!
iPhone 6 and iPad 2 here. Being the latest hardware, I expected the iPhone to handle the new OS, which it does. The problematic 8.0.1 update didn't affect my phone because I didn't manage to get time to install it until after the warnings came out. It's now running 8.0.2 without any issues at all that I have discovered.
The iPad 2 was the acid test. It is old and was already slow, but was still useful. Against my better judgment I upgraded to iOS 8.0 and had so many issues I reinstalled it as new and re-installed my apps from the App Store. After that I experienced only some minor speed issues with Safari that I resolved by disabling some of the automatic stuff under "advanced options" that I didn't really use anyway. Since then the iPad has been just fine. Facebook needs to be updated, but everything else just works. It is certainly not useless.
What happens sometimes is that the new OS is busy reindexing everything on the device for Spotlight Search and other things. The older devices don't have the horsepower to do that and operate normally, so they get really slow until the indexing is complete. The two cardinal rules for upgrading are:
1. Reboot the device (even after it has already restarted during the upgrade) and
2. Be patient and give the new OS a chance to get its bearings.
Quote from: cynical on September 26, 2014, 06:04:16 PM
iPhone 6 and iPad 2 here. Being the latest hardware, I expected the iPhone to handle the new OS, which it does. The problematic 8.0.1 update didn't affect my phone because I didn't manage to get time to install it until after the warnings came out. It's now running 8.0.2 without any issues at all that I have discovered.
The iPad 2 was the acid test. It is old and was already slow, but was still useful. Against my better judgment I upgraded to iOS 8.0 and had so many issues I reinstalled it as new and re-installed my apps from the App Store. After that I experienced only some minor speed issues with Safari that I resolved by disabling some of the automatic stuff under "advanced options" that I didn't really use anyway. Since then the iPad has been just fine. Facebook needs to be updated, but everything else just works. It is certainly not useless.
What happens sometimes is that the new OS is busy reindexing everything on the device for Spotlight Search and other things. The older devices don't have the horsepower to do that and operate normally, so they get really slow until the indexing is complete. The two cardinal rules for upgrading are:
1. Reboot the device (even after it has already restarted during the upgrade) and
2. Be patient and give the new OS a chance to get its bearings.
And then...
3. Ditch the Apple devices and get an Android.
;D
I do tech support on both devices.
#1 complaint: "My android device locked up, I had to wipe it and lost everything"
#2 complaint: "I need help resetting my password"
Not kidding.
We tried to use Android in the enterprise, but the lack of consistent software updates, and the crap the carriers add to Android devices like the key logger I have on my AT&T phone made us drop it and go iOS only. Not to mention the tight exchange integration.
Regardless of the platform:
WHY CAN'T THE PROVIDERS PUT OUT SOMETHING WITHOUT SO MANY BUGS AND THAT DOESN'T NEED CONSTANT UPGRADES?
Caps lock is intentional.
Quote from: Red Arrow on September 26, 2014, 09:33:22 PM
Regardless of the platform:
WHY CAN'T THE PROVIDERS PUT OUT SOMETHING WITHOUT SO MANY BUGS AND THAT DOESN'T NEED CONSTANT UPGRADES?
Caps lock is intentional.
Get a carrier-branded Android phone. They never release any upgrades.
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 27, 2014, 07:28:36 PM
Get a carrier-branded Android phone. They never release any upgrades.
I have a stupid phone with no data plan, by choice.
What version of the iPad did he have? 2nd gen? Probably could have done a factory reset, and it would have been fine.
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 26, 2014, 09:14:04 PM
I do tech support on both devices.
#1 complaint: "My android device locked up, I had to wipe it and lost everything"
#2 complaint: "I need help resetting my password"
Not kidding.
We tried to use Android in the enterprise, but the lack of consistent software updates, and the crap the carriers add to Android devices like the key logger I have on my AT&T phone made us drop it and go iOS only. Not to mention the tight exchange integration.
Tight Exchange integration? Every iPhone I ever owned acted like it was a Delorean when it came to retrieving Exchange mail. I'd sometimes get it right away, I'd sometimes get it 6 hours later. At least with my Android I get it within about 5 seconds of my PC.
I'm not saying every iPhone does this, I'm saying every iPhone I ever used did it.
Quote from: saintnicster on September 29, 2014, 09:03:32 AM
What version of the iPad did he have? 2nd gen? Probably could have done a factory reset, and it would have been fine.
I think it's the 2nd Gen. He downloaded the new update and it's back to it's glorious self. So he's taking back the LG G pad. Sending back the LG G3 and going ahead and getting the iPhone 6. The main thing he likes about the iPhone is the group texting with his family. He was missing some of the group text using an Android. Meh! to each their own on priorities.
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 29, 2014, 10:02:04 AM
I think it's the 2nd Gen. He downloaded the new update and it's back to it's glorious self. So he's taking back the LG G pad. Sending back the LG G3 and going ahead and getting the iPhone 6. The main thing he likes about the iPhone is the group texting with his family. He was missing some of the group text using an Android. Meh! to each their own on priorities.
If you switch to hangouts for your SMS on Android you can group text all you want. There are also other text apps on the Play store you can group text with (Handcent comes to mind right away).
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 29, 2014, 10:02:04 AM
I think it's the 2nd Gen. He downloaded the new update and it's back to it's glorious self. So he's taking back the LG G pad. Sending back the LG G3 and going ahead and getting the iPhone 6. The main thing he likes about the iPhone is the group texting with his family. He was missing some of the group text using an Android. Meh! to each their own on priorities.
Quote from: Hoss on September 29, 2014, 10:08:39 AM
If you switch to hangouts for your SMS on Android you can group text all you want. There are also other text apps on the Play store you can group text with (Handcent comes to mind right away).
The G Pad is a tablet, presumably without an SMS plan.
With everyone on iPhones, they've all got iMessage built into the devices, so it's integrating the IM aspect that he's getting on the iPad with the SMS/MMS messages everyone else is getting. He'd have to convince them all to get Hangouts and associate their (assuming they have them) Google accounts with that, then have an additional app to check on their phone.
Quote from: saintnicster on September 29, 2014, 10:39:20 AM
The G Pad is a tablet, presumably without an SMS plan.
With everyone on iPhones, they've all got iMessage built into the devices, so it's integrating the IM aspect that he's getting on the iPad with the SMS/MMS messages everyone else is getting. He'd have to convince them all to get Hangouts and associate their (assuming they have them) Google accounts with that, then have an additional app to check on their phone.
I was referring to the reference of not being able to use their current Android and multiple SMS recipients.
Does Google scan and index the content of your Hangouts chat sessions so it can sell you to advertisers and marketers? You know, the way they do your search history and gmail?
Quote from: swake on September 29, 2014, 01:20:54 PM
Does Google scan and index the content of your Hangouts chat sessions so it can sell you to advertisers and marketers? You know, the way they do your search history and gmail?
Probably no more than Apple does.
Quote from: Hoss on September 29, 2014, 01:25:46 PM
Probably no more than Apple does.
Apple has said specifically they do not do scan imessage or mail and cannot read your text messages or even provide them to law enforcement even if they wanted to. Google has asserted their right in court to sell your information in searches and gmail and that users have no expectation of privacy. You are Google's product that they sell.
Quote from: swake on September 29, 2014, 01:53:27 PM
Apple has said specifically they do not do scan imessage or mail and cannot read your text messages or even provide them to law enforcement even if they wanted to. Google has asserted their right in court to sell your information in searches and gmail and that users have no expectation of privacy. You are Google's product that they sell.
Google used to say the same thing....
Quote from: Hoss on September 29, 2014, 02:10:05 PM
Google used to say the same thing....
No they didn't
The terms of service for the free gmail service have always granted google very broad rights to content contained in emails, as well as content on google drive. Those rights even extend to google owning the data. That is why lawyers are advised by the bar association not to use that service to store client data. The commercial, for-pay google apps service is different. Google promises that the data remains the property of the account holder and that google won't use it for any purpose other than as needed to maintain their service. I suspect that using the google apps for business version of google drive to store child pornography might be an exception, since use of the service for illegal purposes is prohibited in both the free and paid versions of the service.
Google isn't alone. There are office suites out there such as the CloudOn service claim ownership of any content created using the service or software. Caveat emptor.
People just click through the terms of service when signing up. I read this morning that a London wifi hotspot planted a provision in their terms of service that granted the proprietor ownership of the subscriber's first born child. No one caught it. http://news.yahoo.com/britons-sign-away-first-born-children-free-wifi-222708987.html (http://news.yahoo.com/britons-sign-away-first-born-children-free-wifi-222708987.html)
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 29, 2014, 07:30:20 PM
No they didn't
Quote from: cynical on September 29, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
The terms of service for the free gmail service have always granted google very broad rights to content contained in emails, as well as content on google drive. Those rights even extend to google owning the data. That is why lawyers are advised by the bar association not to use that service to store client data. The commercial, for-pay google apps service is different. Google promises that the data remains the property of the account holder and that google won't use it for any purpose other than as needed to maintain their service. I suspect that using the google apps for business version of google drive to store child pornography might be an exception, since use of the service for illegal purposes is prohibited in both the free and paid versions of the service.
Google isn't alone. There are office suites out there such as the CloudOn service claim ownership of any content created using the service or software. Caveat emptor.
People just click through the terms of service when signing up. I read this morning that a London wifi hotspot planted a provision in their terms of service that granted the proprietor ownership of the subscriber's first born child. No one caught it. http://news.yahoo.com/britons-sign-away-first-born-children-free-wifi-222708987.html (http://news.yahoo.com/britons-sign-away-first-born-children-free-wifi-222708987.html)
iTunes current user agreement is now 55 pages long. Seriously, why does a user agreement need to be that freaking huge? Seems like you could encapsulate the rights to purchase, playback and share your purchase in a few pages or less.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 29, 2014, 10:02:29 PM
iTunes current user agreement is now 55 pages long. Seriously, why does a user agreement need to be that freaking huge? Seems like you could encapsulate the rights to purchase, playback and share your purchase in a few pages or less.
John Oliver posited in his rant about net neutrality that "the way to hide something evil is to hide it inside something boring. The entire text of Mein Kampf could be inserted into the iTunes agreement and you'd still click on agree..agree".
http://youtu.be/fpbOEoRrHyU?t=9m50s
Somewhat related...almost...
Has anyone used Opera Mail (client) - as replacement to Outlook? (free)
Or Postbox? Same use.... (not free - $10.)
There's always a history behind contract bloat. I suppose that it started out as you suggested but accreted more and more language as the law and Apple's experience evolved. I have seen one contract expand from 6 pages to 45 pages in a single renewal negotiation. How many commercial contracts now provide for mandatory arbitration and bar class action suits? How many include language that attempts to bring torts (there's a huge overlap between duties that arise from contract and duties that the law imposes anyway) within the purview of the contract so as to bar recovery of incidental and consequential damages and punitive damages. Language dealing with purchases made on someone's account, perhaps by someone lacking capacity to enter into a contract, e.g. their teenaged child, that the account owner didn't authorize. One of these days I'll take the time to read the agreement. I'm an Apple customer several times over, but I don't buy music, movies, or books from iTunes.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 29, 2014, 10:02:29 PM
iTunes current user agreement is now 55 pages long. Seriously, why does a user agreement need to be that freaking huge? Seems like you could encapsulate the rights to purchase, playback and share your purchase in a few pages or less.
Quote from: cynical on September 29, 2014, 11:03:49 PM
There's always a history behind contract bloat. I suppose that it started out as you suggested but accreted more and more language as the law and Apple's experience evolved. I have seen one contract expand from 6 pages to 45 pages in a single renewal negotiation. How many commercial contracts now provide for mandatory arbitration and bar class action suits? How many include language that attempts to bring torts (there's a huge overlap between duties that arise from contract and duties that the law imposes anyway) within the purview of the contract so as to bar recovery of incidental and consequential damages and punitive damages. Language dealing with purchases made on someone's account, perhaps by someone lacking capacity to enter into a contract, e.g. their teenaged child, that the account owner didn't authorize. One of these days I'll take the time to read the agreement. I'm an Apple customer several times over, but I don't buy music, movies, or books from iTunes.
Damn attorneys. ;)