Some of our more cone-headed countrymen started a petition to secede from the United States, probably because it worked so well the last time it was attempted. One of the more laughable arguments was that secession would "preserve our Constitution." Yeah, somehow destroying the Union by declaring an independent state is preservation. It's Orwellian. And it's another example of the white-is-black Bizarro world some conservatives inhabit.
http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/11/10/southern-states-issue-white-house-petition-asking-permission-to-secede-from-the-union/ (http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/11/10/southern-states-issue-white-house-petition-asking-permission-to-secede-from-the-union/)
I figured this was coming, but I really didn't expect it would be so soon. If Oklahoma secedes, I'll be trapped behind enemy lines and probably subject to arrest for thought crimes, eventually being confined to a re-education camp as a means of 'preserving' the Constitution.
You'd think they'd at least read the relevant case law (or ask an attorney). IIRC, the Supreme Court once ruled that states simply can't secede, except perhaps with unanimous consent of all the states, nor can they be kicked out. I don't really feel like searching for a citation at the moment.
No state has petitioned to secede.
Quote from: Ed W on November 11, 2012, 07:44:09 PM
Some of our more cone-headed countrymen started a petition to secede from the United States, probably because it worked so well the last time it was attempted. One of the more laughable arguments was that secession would "preserve our Constitution." Yeah, somehow destroying the Union by declaring an independent state is preservation. It's Orwellian. And it's another example of the white-is-black Bizarro world some conservatives inhabit.
I figured this was coming, but I really didn't expect it would be so soon. If Oklahoma secedes, I'll be trapped behind enemy lines and probably subject to arrest for thought crimes, eventually being confined to a re-education camp as a means of 'preserving' the Constitution.
Some obvious confusion - must be the 35% failure rate of so many of them to graduate high school.
Being led by the likes of Bachmann, who was mentioned in a different area earlier concerning her inability or, at the very least, unwillingness, to actually read that Constitution.
Quote from: cynical on November 11, 2012, 11:56:59 PM
No state has petitioned to secede.
That didn't stop the Supreme Court from making a decision on the subject so they could render a decision regarding civil war debt. ;)
Quote from: nathanm on November 12, 2012, 10:16:20 AM
That didn't stop the Supreme Court from making a decision on the subject so they could render a decision regarding civil war debt. ;)
What I think that cy means is that it's not the states petitioning, it's some idiots that have filled out an e-petition online and trying to get signatures. In fact, if you look through the signatures, there are a lot that aren't even from those states, almost like they want to get these states out of the union.
Quote from: custosnox on November 12, 2012, 01:48:39 PM
What I think that cy means is that it's not the states petitioning, it's some idiots that have filled out an e-petition online and trying to get signatures. In fact, if you look through the signatures, there are a lot that aren't even from those states, almost like they want to get these states out of the union.
Ah, gotcha.
Looks like Texas got the signatures necessary.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B
Arizona still has a ways to go.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-arizona-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/GrZPNqcX
Quote from: Gaspar on November 12, 2012, 04:23:34 PM
Looks like Texas got the signatures necessary.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B
Cool. Hopefully they could time it so we wouldn't have to change the flag (get rid of Texas, welcome in Puerto Rico!).
Oklahoma has a ways to go too.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-oklahoma-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/Z0G2vNtF
Sore losers..... line up. :D
Texas Petition to Secede Reaches Threshold for Obama Commenthttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/texas-petition-secede-reaches-threshold-obama-comment/story?id=17701519#.UKF7Toc0V8F (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/texas-petition-secede-reaches-threshold-obama-comment/story?id=17701519#.UKF7Toc0V8F)
QuoteA petition for Texas to secede from the union, submitted to the White House, reached the number of signatures needed to draw comment from the Obama administration today.
The petition appeared on a section of the White House website called "We the People" that invites users with a U.S. zip code to submit or sign petitions about policy changes they would like to see. A petition must reach 25,000 signatures within 30 days for the administration to comment on it.
The petition to "Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government," was submitted on Friday of last week. Just three days later, it zoomed past the 25,000 mark at 3:22 p.m. today and kept going.
In order to sign a petition, users must register with the site using a valid email address and entering their zip code. The site's terms of participation indicates it has mechanisms in place to block spam, but it does not say anything about verifying zip codes or state residency.
Many signatures on the petition came from Texas, but some also claimed to be from other states, including Flagstaff, Ariz., Pinebluff, Ark., and Rio Rancho, N.M. Some did not publicly list their residency.
At least 17 other states have similar petitions to the Texas secession request on the We the People forum including New Jersey, New York, Montana, Colorado, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina, Oregon and Michigan. The closest behind Texas was Louisiana with 15,617 signatures.
In 2009, Texas Gov. Rick Perry hinted that anti-Washington sentiment could lead residents of his state to seek independence from the union.
"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."
At time of publishing, Perry's office had not responded to a request for comment.
So far, the president has not commented on the petition and there is no guarantee that he will. The terms of participation give the president some loopholes.
"To avoid the appearance of improper influence, the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government in its response to a petition," the site says.
The White House has refused to comment on a requests for an investigation into allegations that Rep. Chris Dodd took bribes, clemency for Native American activist Leonard Peltier and the release of accused WikiLeaks whistleblower Bradley Manning.
The White House did respond to a petition that gained fewer than 13,000 signatures this fall: the petition seeking the White House beer recipe.
Texass was always a loser state. But that will change soon as it goes blue with immigrants!
Quote from: Townsend on November 12, 2012, 04:44:26 PM
Texas Petition to Secede Reaches Threshold for Obama Comment
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/texas-petition-secede-reaches-threshold-obama-comment/story?id=17701519#.UKF7Toc0V8F (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/texas-petition-secede-reaches-threshold-obama-comment/story?id=17701519#.UKF7Toc0V8F)
I'm trying to figure out why it's news worthy that less than .1% of the Population of Texas (many of which aren't even actually in Texas) signed this petition. I mean, come on, you can find enough idiots in just about any state with a population equal to .1% of the population of that state that would sign the petition. I wouldn't be surprised if a petition to kick Texas out of the Union wouldn't get even more signatures.
wait, if Texas secedes from the Union, does that mean that anyone born there loose their citizenship to the United States, or just the people who live there? Also, would that mean that non-citizens of the United States had been presidents of the US since the Bush family hails from there? Would this de-citizizing be retroactive? If so, does that mean that any Texas Citizen has to pay back any benefit they have received from being a US citizen?
Quote from: custosnox on November 12, 2012, 05:14:53 PM
Would this de-citizizing be retroactive? If so, does that mean that any Texas Citizen has to pay back any benefit they have received from being a US citizen?
Retroactive would be tough. It would also have to include any taxes paid to the Feds if benefits would have to be returned. Paperwork would not be worth it.
Quote from: Teatownclown on November 12, 2012, 04:51:41 PM
Texass was always a loser state. But that will change soon as it goes blue with immigrants!
From bad to worse.
Quote from: Teatownclown on November 12, 2012, 04:51:41 PM
Texass was always a loser state. But that will change soon as it goes blue with immigrants!
Yeah idiot. Because Texass would simply keep the current immigration policy if it were possible to split off. I used to live in Texas, that's how they think. Much like the people in the Yucatan don't seem to like being linked to Mexico. BTW, if you get the chance, visit Merida and compare it to any large Mexican city. There is a difference.
Put down the medz, Gwee.
No State is seceding. More ugly rumors.
BTW, have you noticed how all the Occupiers are volunteering to help the Sandy victims?
The Occupy Sandy folks are feeding FEMA workers! Occupy Boston was driving down car loads of diapers, food, & clothing.
What are your friends in the Tea Potty up to these days?
Quote from: Teatownclown on November 13, 2012, 12:16:25 AM
What are your friends in the Tea Potty up to these days?
They have jobs. Or, they wrote big checks to help family members who need it. How many checks have you written?
CMIIW, if a state seceds from the US, would not the following things be void or useless as they would no longer be a part of the US?: Passports, social security card, banking, (have to establish own currency and it's basis and get everywhere else to agree) commerce with businesses in other states, FAA guidelines, (airports have no new agreements) health care guidelines (not refering to Obama Care), no agreements with any utilities, import and export rules. Just asking.......
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/white-house-website-deluged-with-secession-petitions-from-19-states/
I guess this is a new fad.
Feel free to leave.
I think it is childish and petulant that people want to secede just because they lost another election, but if they feel strongly about it, leave. The rest of us will stay and keep America the greatest country in the world.
Just make sure and take Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh with you.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 13, 2012, 07:54:49 AM
Feel free to leave.
I think it is childish and petulant that people want to secede just because they lost another election, but if they feel strongly about it, leave. The rest of us will stay and keep America the greatest country in the world.
Just make sure and take Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh with you.
As far as I'm concerned they can also take Maher. I'm sick of divisiveness on both sides (and he is not funny)
The famous philosopher Eric Cartman once said and Texas has paraphrased "Screw you guys, I'm going home"
Quote from: guido911 on November 13, 2012, 01:37:12 AM
They have jobs. Or, they wrote big checks to help family members who need it. How many checks have you written?
They don't have jobs...they are %47er's .... you just don't know any. You can find them in the fast food joints where you like to hang around.
At least you recognize that they are blood suckers.
Where are the petitions that say I love my country? No need as %51 voted for BamBam. These are the populace who do love America.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 13, 2012, 07:54:49 AM
Feel free to leave.
I think it is childish and petulant that people want to secede just because they lost another election, but if they feel strongly about it, leave. The rest of us will stay and keep America the greatest country in the world.
Just make sure and take Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh with you.
These people have no idea what secession actually means to them. It's just less than intelligent people jumping on the bandwagon because it's shiny and mind boggling to them.
Quote from: carltonplace on November 13, 2012, 08:33:54 AM
As far as I'm concerned they can also take Maher. I'm sick of divisiveness on both sides (and he is not funny)
He won't go unless they legalize marijuana. Seems unlikely. ;)
Texas' real problem in this secessionist fantasy will be Mexico. Texas has oil and used to be part of Mexico. Seems like there's a fairly decent chance the Mexicans might want to retake what was once theirs. How long would the Texas Republic last?
Quote from: nathanm on November 13, 2012, 11:18:56 AM
Texas' real problem in this secessionist fantasy will be Mexico. Texas has oil and used to be part of Mexico. Seems like there's a fairly decent chance the Mexicans might want to retake what was once theirs. How long would the Texas Republic last?
After the USA has to fight another war with Mexico over Texas, Oklahoma can split it up with Louisiana and New Mexico.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry Says He Doesn't Support Secessionhttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/11/13/165039895/texas-gov-rick-perry-says-he-doesnt-support-secession?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/11/13/165039895/texas-gov-rick-perry-says-he-doesnt-support-secession?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
QuoteWe told you yesterday about a petition on the White House website signed by more than 70,000 people that seeks the secession of Texas from the union.
Well, the governor of the great state doesn't agree with those people.
The Dallas Morning News reports that Gov. Rick Perry's press secretary Catherine Frazier sent out a statement about the controversy. She said:
"Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government. Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper. We cannot allow Washington's tax and spend, one-size-fits-all mindset to jeopardize our children's future, undermine our personal liberties and drive our nation down a dangerous path to greater dependence of government."
The petition to allow Texas to "peacefully" part ways from the United States was submitted through the White House's We the People function. It allows citizens to submit any question or petition and promises an official response after they get a certain number of signatures. In this case, the threshold was 25,000, which was easily met.
The petition to allow Texas to "peacefully" part ways from the United States was submitted through the White House's We the People function. It allows citizens to submit any question or petition and promises an official response after they get a certain number of signatures. In this case, the threshold was 25,000, which was easily met.
The answer will be no.
Texas, the state with a 2.6 billion dollar budget gap, is talking about living within their means?
Let's hope they can act on it better than they can spell it.
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Secession petition: Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley rejects secessionists
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83837.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83837.html)
QuoteAlabama Gov. Robert Bentley governor does not support a petition calling for the state's secession, his spokesman says.
"Governor Bentley believes in one nation under God. While there is frustration with the federal government, Governor Bentley believes that states can be great laboratories of change," the Republican governor's spokeswoman Jennifer Ardis told AL.com Tuesday.
Ardis continued: "As our leaders in Washington look for strategies to address America's financial challenges, Alabama is working hard toward saving a billion dollars annually by right-sizing government. We can disagree on philosophy, but we should work together to make this country the best it can be. Our nation's leaders can look at states like Alabama as they work to get our country back on a better and more prosperous track."
On Wednesday, a petition calling for Alabama's secession garnered the 25,000 signatures needed for a White House response.
Earlier this week, Texas Gov. Rick Perry's spokeswoman said he does not support a similar petition in his state which calls for Texas to secede. Since the election, a slew of state petitions calling for secession have emerged.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83837.html#ixzz2CDOSpmhn
It's super that these governors take this seriously enough to comment on it.
And then our Governor throws in:
QuoteQuote of the day: "Oklahoma is not going to secede from the union."
-Governor Mary Fallin, responding to a petition asking for Oklahoma to secede that was posted following the reelection of President Obama
From Oklahoma Policy Institute's FB post.
Just a big gaggle of stupid flitting about.
Personally, I kinda like this one
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf
QuoteStrip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them
Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.
But then again, it does mean stripping those who signed them just to try and get rid of dead weight from the union.
Personally, I just signed it in hopes of seeing what the response would be if it reached the total amount needed.
Secession petitions now filed for all 50 stateshttp://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secession-petitions-now-filed-50-states-183500440.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secession-petitions-now-filed-50-states-183500440.html)
QuotePetitions signed by hundreds of thousands of Americans seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the union have now been filed for all 50 states on the White House website.
The secession petition push began last week on the site's We The People section after a Slidell, La., man filed a petition on Nov. 7 to allow Louisiana to secede. Residents from other states followed suit.
As of Wednesday afternoon, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas—all states that voted for former Gov. Mitt Romney—as well as Florida each had accumulated more than 25,000 signatures, the threshold needed to trigger an official response from the Obama administration. Collectively, the secession petitions now have more than 700,000 digital signatures.
Texas is in the lead with more than 99,000, but Gov. Rick Perry said on Tuesday that he does not support secession.
"Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it," a statement from the governor's office read. "But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government."
Meanwhile, residents of Austin, Texas' stubbornly liberal stronghold, have petitioned the White House to allow the city to "withdraw from the state of Texas [and] remain part of the United States."
Of course, the petitions are little more than symbolic—and nothing new. Similar petitions were filed after the 2004 and 2008 elections. And at least one petition filed on the site asks that the president sign an executive order to strip U.S. citizenship from anyone who signed a petition to secede and requests that they are "peacefully deported."
Secession, though, is not the only thing people are petitioning the White House for. Included among the 140 petitions currently displayed on the site: two seeking federal legalization of marijuana, one asking for the halt of U.S. drone strikes and one demanding a recount of the election.
Quote from: custosnox on November 14, 2012, 11:37:19 PM
"Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them
Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported".
So, they cant "self-deport"?
Quote from: patric on November 15, 2012, 10:26:24 AM
So, they cant "self-deport"?
Maybe give them a patch of land down near el paso and let them self-deport there and have their own little country the size of a small town.