Patient zero is the term for the initial outbreak of a pandemic. If you've read "World War Z", you know the basics.
Herewith, a disturbing account from Miami:
A Miami man on Monday described how he watched in horror after spotting a naked man gnawing away at the face and neck of another man in a ghoulish attack on a highway ramp in downtown Miami.
"He was ripping into his face with his teeth," Larry Vega said of the attacker....
..."The guy just stood his head up like that, with a piece of flesh in his mouth, and growled," Vega said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/28/us-usa-miami-attack-idUSBRE84R0O420120528 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/28/us-usa-miami-attack-idUSBRE84R0O420120528)
Despite the temptation to have some fun with this story, there's a man in critical condition in the hospital.
What would cause someone do attack another person like this? Meth? Some other drug?
Quote from: Ed W on May 28, 2012, 05:17:01 PM
Patient zero is the term for the initial outbreak of a pandemic. If you've read "World War Z", you know the basics.
Herewith, a disturbing account from Miami:
A Miami man on Monday described how he watched in horror after spotting a naked man gnawing away at the face and neck of another man in a ghoulish attack on a highway ramp in downtown Miami.
"He was ripping into his face with his teeth," Larry Vega said of the attacker....
..."The guy just stood his head up like that, with a piece of flesh in his mouth, and growled," Vega said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/28/us-usa-miami-attack-idUSBRE84R0O420120528 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/28/us-usa-miami-attack-idUSBRE84R0O420120528)
Despite the temptation to have some fun with this story, there's a man in critical condition in the hospital.
What would cause someone do attack another person like this? Meth? Some other drug?
Drugs? You mean the stocking up of supplies and fortifying of the property that I've been doing all day was unneeded? Damn, I was looking forward to a good Zombie Apocalypse.
Quote from: custosnox on May 28, 2012, 08:25:59 PM
Damn, I was looking forward to a good Zombie Apocalypse.
That has to be a big disappointment. Too bad. Maybe next time.
BBC news said the police were saying that it was likely a potent new form of LSD. They say that there are instances with people using this drug with similar results where the user takes off their clothes (the users organs are literally burning up alive from the inside) and they exhibit violent behavior and of course hallucinations.
I guess I'll just have to stick with a known drug, ethanol. I know pretty much how much I can consume and what my reaction to it will be.
Quote from: custosnox on May 28, 2012, 08:25:59 PM
Damn, I was looking forward to a good Zombie Apocalypse.
Tallahassee, please pick up the white courtesy phone:
(http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp180/barronmonkey/zombieland-harrelson.jpg)
Quote from: TheArtist on May 28, 2012, 10:10:08 PM
BBC news said the police were saying that it was likely a potent new form of LSD. They say that there are instances with people using this drug with similar results where the user takes off their clothes (the users organs are literally burning up alive from the inside) and they exhibit violent behavior and of course hallucinations.
As long as they are guessing, my guess would be Phencyclidine.
Nasty stuff that Big Pharma couldnt market successfully.
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Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 29, 2012, 10:27:38 AM
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Indeed a man of few words.
Meanwhile...
(CBS/WFOR) MIAMI - The naked man shot by police after being found eating another man's face may have been under the influence of an LSD-like drug called "bath salts," according to Armando Aguilar, the president of the Fraternal Order of Police
"I have a message for whoever is selling it out there," said Aguilar. "You can be arrested for murder if you are selling this LSD to people, unsuspecting people on the street and somebody ends up dying as a result you will be charged with murder."Other than "bath salts" being tied to grant$ from the Office of National Drug Control Policy, it's still just election-year guesswork in front of the cameras.
Quote from: patric on May 29, 2012, 01:04:49 PM
Indeed a man of few words.
Meanwhile...
(CBS/WFOR) MIAMI - The naked man shot by police after being found eating another man's face may have been under the influence of an LSD-like drug called "bath salts," according to Armando Aguilar, the president of the Fraternal Order of Police
"I have a message for whoever is selling it out there," said Aguilar. "You can be arrested for murder if you are selling this LSD to people, unsuspecting people on the street and somebody ends up dying as a result you will be charged with murder."
Other than "bath salts" being tied to grant$ from the Office of National Drug Control Policy, it's still just election-year guesswork in front of the cameras.
Saw a news piece on these 'bath salts' just last week. Scary stuff that is, especially how it's sold.
Quote from: Hoss on May 29, 2012, 01:51:07 PM
Saw a news piece on these 'bath salts' just last week. Scary stuff that is, especially how it's sold.
Got a link on that article? Would like to see more on it.
Quote from: patric on May 29, 2012, 01:04:49 PM
Indeed a man of few words.
Naw...I got lots of words, but for this, I just put a marker message in so it will show up on new replies, so can follow the thread.
The attack is just one of those "shake your head in disbelief" things. I suspect if we had rational marijuana laws, the guy might have just stayed home to smoke a couple, watch some TV and just gnaw on some chips and rotel/velveeta dip. Or maybe not - the end result here is evolution in action - hopefully he didn't have the opportunity to pass those faulty genes on before getting popped by the cop.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 29, 2012, 02:56:13 PM
I suspect if we had rational marijuana laws, the guy might have just stayed home to smoke a couple, watch some TV and just gnaw on some chips and rotel/velveeta dip.
Funny you should mention that, because not even munchies are safe in the "war on drugs" industry:
Mexican authorities arrested four alleged members of the Knights Templar drug cartel after a series of firebomb attacks on a potato-chip company owned by the U.S. food company PepsiCo, the first attack on an American multinational firm in Mexico's ongoing drug war. (http://a.abcnews.com/images/Blotter/ap_sabritas_fire_kb_120529_wg.jpg)
There truly is a simple solution - decriminalize growth and use of marijuana for personal use. End enforcement for growing and possessing - and maybe even selling small amounts, maybe up to 1/2 lb? The end of half or more of the cartel funding would disappear after the time it takes to grow the first crop. 60 - 90 days?
Insanity - to keep doing the same thing (for 100 years!!) and expect different results - US drug policy.
Quote from: TheArtist on May 28, 2012, 10:10:08 PM
BBC news said the police were saying that it was likely a potent new form of LSD. They say that there are instances with people using this drug with similar results where the user takes off their clothes (the users organs are literally burning up alive from the inside) and they exhibit violent behavior and of course hallucinations.
Makes me wish Dragnet was still in production. This makes Blue Boy look like a walk in the park.
Quote from: Markk on May 29, 2012, 04:02:35 PM
Makes me wish Dragnet was still in production. This makes Blue Boy look like a walk in the park.
"Ever see what this stuff does to kids?!?"
(http://moviecraft.tripod.com/lawpix/276-2.jpg)
Rabies?
this is sweet.... :-*
Quote from: MrsConan on May 30, 2012, 03:14:49 PM
Rabies?
Zombie virus.
There's a book out (probably several) about how to survive the Zombie apocalypse.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 30, 2012, 07:06:36 PM
Zombie virus.
There's a book out (probably several) about how to survive the Zombie apocalypse.
http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm
There is also a Zombie Bar over on Admiral at Pittsburgh.
Quote from: AquaMan on May 30, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
There is also a Zombie Bar over on Admiral at Pittsburgh.
I know someone who has a Mossberg 500.
It's called Zombie Killer.
I see some firearms manufacturers are stamping some of their firearms with the phrase 'zombie killer'. I find it hilarious.
Quote from: Hoss on May 30, 2012, 08:45:27 PM
I know someone who has a Mossberg 500.
That's what I got. I bought mine a bit before the full on zombie craze/sh!tstorm hit. I was planning ahead.
Quote from: guido911 on May 30, 2012, 09:57:21 PM
That's what I got. I bought mine a bit before the full on zombie craze/sh!tstorm hit. I was planning ahead.
Pretty badass shotgun. I'm still searching for a primary handgun to augment the Bersa I have now..I keep waffling now between the SA XDM .40 and .45..prob keep the barrel length about 4 or little less for CC.
Oh, and to keep on subject, if you search enough, you can find the images of this attack's aftermath. It's not for the squeamish, believe me. If you want a link, PM me and I'll provide it. I'd rather not in a public forum.
Quote from: Hoss on May 30, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
Pretty badass shotgun. I'm still searching for a primary handgun to augment the Bersa I have now..I keep waffling now between the SA XDM .40 and .45..prob keep the barrel length about 4 or little less for CC.
Oh, and to keep on subject, if you search enough, you can find the images of this attack's aftermath. It's not for the squeamish, believe me. If you want a link, PM me and I'll provide it. I'd rather not in a public forum.
1911A1. .45 ACP. Amazing piece of machinery and a beautiful piece of art. Weighs a ton. Well, actually about 4 lbs loaded.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 30, 2012, 10:43:01 PM
1911A1. .45 ACP. Amazing piece of machinery and a beautiful piece of art. Weighs a ton. Well, actually about 4 lbs loaded.
I like the 1911s, but they are two things. Heavy and expensive. Beautiful gun.
Quote from: Hoss on May 30, 2012, 10:54:39 PM
I like the 1911s, but they are two things. Heavy and expensive. Beautiful gun.
Yes, they are. But very convincing, even if you do have to carry several extra clips....
Springfield XD looks like an interesting item. And I know that I like the FN .45.
I suspect any of the new ones would be light enough to carry and do exactly what you want it to do.
Quote from: Hoss on May 30, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
Pretty badass shotgun. I'm still searching for a primary handgun to augment the Bersa I have now..I keep waffling now between the SA XDM .40 and .45..prob keep the barrel length about 4 or little less for CC.
Oh, and to keep on subject, if you search enough, you can find the images of this attack's aftermath. It's not for the squeamish, believe me. If you want a link, PM me and I'll provide it. I'd rather not in a public forum.
I HAD a SA XD .45 before some sh!tstain stole it from my pickup. Greatest handgun I ever owned--bought it the same time I got my Mossberg.
Quote from: guido911 on May 31, 2012, 01:49:56 PM
I HAD a SA XD .45 before some sh!tstain stole it from my pickup. Greatest handgun I ever owned--bought it the same time I got my Mossberg.
What's sad is one of my best friends had a SA 1911. Put in the trunk of my friends car when going to a hockey game with us. Came back out, and it was gone. No real evidence that the trunk had been broken into. Not sure if the deck lid didn't latch or what. He was heartbroken over that.
As far as the .45 vs the .40, my aversion to the .45 isn't because I don't like the gun, it's the price of the ammo. There's a big difference between them. The .40 seems just beefy enough, and having the .380 as a backup is the intention. That little Bersa is so easy to clean. Only three pieces to it (slide, frame and recoil spring...the barrel is integrated into the frame and doesn't float). I can clean that thing up in about 15 minutes.
Not trying to pick on anyone but there's no excuse for guns being stolen from vehicles. If you are going to leave it in the car, get a gun safe. Under the seat, out of sight, locked and cabled to your seat frame. If someone gets it from there, it won't be without mucho effort and lots of noise to attract curiosity seekers and neighbors.
And no, that is NOT my gun safe.
(http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/images/iccaseseat.jpg)
Quote from: Conan71 on May 31, 2012, 02:01:40 PM
Not trying to pick on anyone but there's no excuse for guns being stolen from vehicles. If you are going to leave it in the car, get a gun safe. Under the seat, out of sight, locked and cabled to your seat frame. If someone gets it from there, it won't be without mucho effort and lots of noise to attract curiosity seekers and neighbors.
And no, that is NOT my gun safe.
(http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/images/iccaseseat.jpg)
BS, Conan. You're stalking me. That's two threads now I've been grumble-slapped by you today!
;D
Quote from: Hoss on May 31, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
BS, Conan. You're stalking me. That's two threads now I've been grumble-slapped by you today!
;D
Wasn't your love up, it was your buddy's ;)
Quote from: Ed W on May 28, 2012, 05:17:01 PM
A Miami man on Monday described how he watched in horror after spotting a naked man gnawing away at the face and neck of another man in a ghoulish attack on a highway ramp in downtown Miami.
What would cause someone do attack another person like this? Meth? Some other drug?
Police said they found no evidence of drugs or paraphernalia at the scene. Toxicology tests of Eugene's blood will likely take several weeks.http://www.tampabay.com/news/bizarre/new-video-shows-more-grisly-details-of-face-eating-attack-in-miami/1233688
Maybe there were no drugs. Maybe it was a homeless mental worse-case scenario. Until the toxicology report, no one knows.
Or maybe just a cop set up so they could get their jollies on a beat-down.
Chew unto others as you would have them chew unto you!
Complements of a guy at work...
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Don't blame drugs for violence
Casting about for a reason why Rudy Eugene gnawed off most of a homeless man's face in an attack on Miami's MacArthur Causeway last month, his girlfriend suggested he may have been the victim of a voodoo curse. Or maybe he was drugged, she told the Miami Herald, adding, "I don't know how else to explain this."
Although the voodoo hypothesis did not gain much traction, the idea that drugs turned Eugene into the "Miami Zombie" was repeated by one news outlet after another, though there was little more evidence in its favor. This pattern of credulous reporting, characteristic of drug panics, reflects our perennial readiness to believe that satanic substances hijack people's souls and compel them to sin.
As "Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber" in an old "Saturday Night Live" sketch, Steve Martin tells a patient's father that people once foolishly believed disease was caused by demonic possession, but "nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach." Likewise, whereas people used to think the devil was the source of evil, today we know that drugs are — even if we're not sure which drugs, or whether a particular criminal has actually consumed them.
A few days after Eugene's grisly assault, which a police officer stopped by shooting him dead, the head of the local police union, Armando Aguilar, declared that Eugene must have been on "bath salts," quasi-legal stimulants that are sold over the counter. Aguilar's speculation, which was uninformed by toxicological tests, spawned alarmist headlines like "Bath Salts, Drug Alleged 'Face-Chewer' Rudy Eugene May Have Been On, Plague Police and Doctors" (CBS News) and "Miami's 'Naked Zombie' Proves Need to Ban Bath Salts, Experts Say" (U.S. News & World Report).
The media frenzy started with WFOR, the CBS affiliate in Miami. "We have seen, already, three or four cases that are exactly like this," Aguilar told the TV station. Later, in an interview with ABC, he clarified that "the cases are similar minus a man eating another" — i.e., the single most salient aspect of Eugene's crime. Quoting Aguilar and a local emergency room physician, WFOR said people who use what it called "the new LSD" have "super-human strength," such that six men might be required to restrain a single individual.
Stories about psychoactive substances that transform people into violent monsters with superhuman strength have been tied to various chemical agents over the years, including cocaine, PCP, methamphetamine and even marijuana. They always prove to be grossly exaggerated, if not utterly fictitious.
A 1989 analysis of "crack-related homicides" in New York City, for example, found that the vast majority of the violence stemmed from black-market disputes, as opposed to the drug's psychoactive effects.
That does not mean people who use these drugs are never violent. But focusing on extreme cases and presenting them as typical — as police, E.R. physicians, psychiatrists, reporters and politicians tend to do — suggests such incidents are much more common than they actually are.
It is clear that drugs do not "cause" violence in any straightforward way. Otherwise, given the millions of people who have used drugs reputed to trigger violence, we'd have a lot more murder and mayhem.
By mindlessly repeating the claim that "bath salts" made Eugene eat a man's face, the press asks us to believe these drugs are disturbingly popular even though they commonly cause outbursts of vicious violence in otherwise pacific people. If that seems plausible to you, you may be qualified to write about drugs for a major news organization.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 31, 2012, 02:01:40 PM
And no, that is NOT my gun safe.
(http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/images/iccaseseat.jpg)
I hope not. One could cut through that cable with a pair of electrician's pliers. You want something thick enough that the tool necessary to cut it will be both unwieldy and stupidly obvious to onlookers.
So the guy who's face was eaten is up and walking around.
I'm trying to not see his "after". If he gets on the morning shows I'm "The Most Dangerous Game"'ing Matt Lauer.
MIAMI – Authorities may never know why a Florida man viciously attacked and chewed on the face of an older homeless man in Miami last month after lab tests failed to find components of "bath salts" in the system of the assailant, who was killed by police.
Armando Aguilar, president of the Fraternal Order of Police, told CNN affiliate WPLG last month that he suspected Eugene was under the influence of "bath salts," a drug that contains synthetic stimulants that can "cause chest pains, increased blood pressure, increased heart rate, agitation, hallucinations, extreme paranoia and delusions," according to the National Institute of Drug Abuse.
An expert on toxicology testing said that marijuana alone wasn't likely to cause behavior as strange as Eugene's.
Maj. Delrish Moss, a spokesman for the Miami Police, said he hoped the medical examiner's report would end speculation that bath salts, a mind-altering hallucinogen, had possessed Eugene to attack Poppo.
Moss said he also hoped the ME's report would correct reports that official police department spokesmen — and not union officials — were the source of the bath salts rumors.
"The Miami police have never said bath salts," said Moss. "Al-Jazeera even called us on this. But we did not notice an uptick in the use of bath salts before this, and in fact I never heard the term before this."
Sometimes, folks just aren't healthy in the head. If only all mental illness (or things that appeared to be mental illness) were caused by drugs. Life would be so much easier in that case.