Now this is both amazing and funny! The White House website holds an archive where americans can learn about the former residents. The biographies display historical information on each president. The current resident has found it necessary to add a "Did you know" section to many of these entries to include himself and links to his programs.
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/related_video_thumbnail/audio-video/video_thumbnail/042012_www_v10_e2_hero.jpg)
Ronald Reagan biography:
In a June 28, 1985 speech Reagan called for a fairer tax code, one where a multi-millionaire did not have a lower tax rate than his secretary. Today, President Obama is calling for the same with the Buffett Rule.
Calvin Coolige biography:
On Feb. 22, 1924 Calvin Coolidge became the first president to make a public radio address to the American people. President Coolidge later helped create the Federal Radio Commission, which has now evolved to become the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). President Obama became the first president to hold virtual gatherings and town halls using Twitter, Facebook, Google+, LinkedIn, etc.
Truman biography:
In a 1946 letter to the National Urban League, President Truman wrote that the government has "an obligation to see that the civil rights of every citizen are fully and equally protected." He ended racial segregation in civil service and the armed forces in 1948. Today the Obama administration continues to strive toward upholding the civil rights of its citizens, repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell, allowing people of all sexual orientations to serve openly in our armed forces.
Lyndon Johnson:
President Lyndon Johnson signed Medicare signed (sic) into law in 1965—providing millions of elderly healthcare stability. President Obama's historic health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, strengthens Medicare, offers eligible seniors a range of preventive services with no cost-sharing, and provides discounts on drugs when in the coverage gap known as the "donut hole."
Roosevelt:
On August 14, 1935, President Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act. Today the Obama administration continues to protect seniors and ensure Social Security will be there for future generations.
I wonder if he has carved his name into all of the furniture yet?
He has learned so much from previous residents. Its almost like he's a republican with political skills, yet a progressive in mindset. Truly is amazing. Thanks.
You should link the Fox site from which you ganked this.
Oh no's, the current resident looking to be re-elected is using an opportunity to say something positive about his presidency.
I'm shocked they deleted the part talking about how sweet Boehner's tears tasted.
Quote from: AquaMan on May 15, 2012, 12:09:11 PM
He has learned so much from previous residents. Its almost like he's a republican with political skills, yet a progressive in mindset. Truly is amazing. Thanks.
He really should have his own holiday.
"President Obama Day" basically just another day where people don't' have to go to work. :D
Quote from: Townsend on May 15, 2012, 12:12:31 PM
You should link the Fox site from which you ganked this.
Oh no's, the current resident looking to be re-elected is using an opportunity to say something positive about his presidency.
I'm shocked they deleted the part talking about how sweet Boehner's tears tasted.
Once again, threadwinner.
If praise about Obama really gets to you gaspar, you are going to have a long summer and fall.
At least Obama doesn't dress up in flight gear and land on a boat with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished".
Quote from: RecycleMichael on May 15, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
If praise about Obama really gets to you gaspar, you are going to have a long summer and fall.
At least Obama doesn't dress up in flight gear and land on a boat with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished".
With Obama we've heard a lot of "I", "Me", and "My". With his predecessors, it was more often than not "we", "our", and "ours".
Are you aware of the origins of the "Mission Accomplished" sign? That was the idea of the Navy, not the White House.
QuoteWhite House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it.
"We took care of the production of it," McClellan said. "We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."
The banner has been used by critics of the Bush administration as evidence of bravado and an unclear sense of how dangerous the postwar conflict in Iraq would be.
Assigning responsibility elsewhere, especially to the military, is not a typical move for the Bush administration and raised suspicions among critics.
Cmdr. Conrad Chun, a Navy spokesman, defended the president's assertion.
"The banner was a Navy idea, the ship's idea," Chun said.
http://articles.cnn.com/2003-10-28/politics/mission.accomplished_1_aircraft-carrier-conrad-chun-banner?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS
Quote from: Conan71 on May 15, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
With Obama we've heard a lot of "I", "Me", and "My". With his predecessors, it was more often than not "we", "our", and "ours"
Fox News talking point alert! I believe Mr. Stewart had something to say about this. (hopefully this is the correct clip)
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-8-2012/bad-credit
awesome clip.
Winner!
Quote from: RecycleMichael on May 15, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
If praise about Obama really gets to you gaspar, you are going to have a long summer and fall.
At least Obama doesn't dress up in flight gear and land on a boat with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished".
According to someone in this forum, Obama is a liar, campaign cheater, and race baiter. I guess that Bush banner thingy is worse or something...Oh, can I talk about Obama in this thread or do I need to say something positive about Romney first? Nevermind, the memories:
QuoteI am saying that Obama is lying.
He has every right to take money from any individual and any individual has a right to contribute to him. He knows clearly well that people in the oil industry gave him money, but he made a campaign commercial where he said he didn't take money from oil companies.
When the CEO of an oil company becomes a campaign bundler for you, you don't get to pander to the American public and attack oil companies and lie about your relationship with them.
Obama folks said Hillary lied when she embellished her personal story about a trip to Bosnia. To me, Obama's lie is worse. He made a paid commercial.
We also know from this somebody in here that Obama listened to a outrageous preacher and did business with crooks (Rezko???) Was it Conman or Gassy? You guess.
QuoteOf course, Obama doesn't take money from oil companies. Corporations can't give to campaigns. But Obama clearly knows where the money comes from and is acting like he doesn't. This is a poor excuse, only eclipsed by his answer that he didn't listen to his preacher make outrageous remarks. His outright lies are once again given a pass by the media and by his supporters. Sorry, he (and you supporters) need to answer some questions.
Why would Obama pay for ads that have false information?
Why would Obama run an ad in Pennsylvania (coal country) that attacks oil companies?
Why is when I defend my candidate you call it spin and not when you defend your candidate?
Why do you fail to understand that an oil company executive that made his fortune in oil and now owns a bank is not still an oil man?
Why won't you admit that his statements were a lie?
Why would you question Hillary's judgement and not Obama's judgement to do a real estate deal with a known Chicago mobster?
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=9493.0
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Emphasis added].
He misspoke.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on May 15, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
At least Obama doesn't dress up in flight gear and land on a boat with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished".
The military really kind of has a "thing" about personnel on military planes being in fire resistant attire. The flight gear may not be a big a publicity deal as you would like.
Quote from: Hoss on May 15, 2012, 12:20:09 PM
Once again, threadwinner.
You're getting too easy.
Really guido?
All you have posted lately is my comments about Obama four and a half years ago. What does this prove?
I have a history of writing about politicians and I don't trust most of them. It doesn't matter what part they belong to. I am an equal opportunity critic.
You on the other hand only attack democrats. You won't even defend republicans, instead just take every comment about a republican with the lame answer of "look what somebody else did."
You remind me of my two children. They won't accept responsibility, instead just tattletale on the other hoping they can change the subject.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on May 15, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
Really guido?
All you have posted lately is my comments about Obama four and a half years ago. What does this prove?
It means you've evolved?
Quote
I have a history of writing about politicians and I don't trust most of them. It doesn't matter what part they belong to. I am an equal opportunity critic.
Who is the last Republican you praised and the last Democrat you bashed aside from Obama when you were in the tank for Hilarity?
Bill Lafortune, Fred Perry, Blake Ewing, Karen Gilbert, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul. I have wrote positive things about each of them on this forum.
I bashed Maria Barnes and Roscoe Turner.
Your turn.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on May 15, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
Really guido?
All you have posted lately is my comments about Obama four and a half years ago. What does this prove?
I have a history of writing about politicians and I don't trust most of them. It doesn't matter what part they belong to. I am an equal opportunity critic.
You on the other hand only attack democrats. You won't even defend republicans, instead just take every comment about a republican with the lame answer of "look what somebody else did."
You remind me of my two children. They won't accept responsibility, instead just tattletale on the other hoping they can change the subject.
You (not somebody else) went all in with Hillary last election and lost.
You (not somebody else) made it your mission in here to destroy Obama, name-calling and accusing him of despicable crap--just as you (not somebody else) are doing with Romney right now. You can't see that? And portraying yourself in the third person and an outsider after my calling you out is weak tea, just as trying to dampen the impact of your flip flop by saying it occurred four whatever years ago. It was the last freakin presidential election. You didn't have the chance to flip on Obama or attack Romney a la Obama 2008 until now. As for my "only" attacking democrats, well let's walk down that lane...
QuoteFor you dems out there, Jim Priest is a highly accomplished lawyer, as well as a down to earth and darned nice guy. He is worth the look. And no, I am not off my meds.
And who gave this response to my acknowledgement of this repub....er... democrat for state AG?
QuoteThanks for the advice. I am trying to educate myself on every race and had heard others say that Jim Priest was way the better candidate.
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=16414.msg179427#msg179427
And then later...
QuoteIf Guido can endorse a democrat, I can endorse a republican.
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=16415.0
While I enjoy arguing substance with you, I cannot stop seeing you trying to have it both ways. If you call someone out you oppose for doing something outrageous, like "Mission Accomplished", you should be held to account when you back track after repeatedly calling someone out for outrageous/unethical conduct (Obama the liar and race baiter) who you now support out of political expediency.
Quote from: guido911 on May 15, 2012, 11:51:28 PM
You (not somebody else) went all in with Hillary last election and lost. You (not somebody else) made it your mission in here to destroy Obama, name-calling and accusing him of despicable crap--just as you (not somebody else) are doing with Romney right now.
FYI, it is possible to prefer A over B and still prefer B over C.
Quote from: nathanm on May 15, 2012, 11:53:32 PM
FYI, it is possible to prefer A over B and still prefer B over C.
But does A=C? Now my head hurts.
And I "only" ding dems? Here's another:
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18944.0
Did you see the way I just ripped Booker? Criminal. As for repubs, I have long been a believer of the 11th Commandment, yet I still have gone after Specter and Murkowski, and joked about Cheney.
I still write negative things about Obama. I wrote this just a few days ago.
You caught me. I spoke out against Obama.
I still have reservations about him. I wish he would have accelerated the troop withdrawals. I wish he would have not added to the bank bailout. I don't feel as if he has taken the lead on the economy and has instead allowed Congress to go first. He renewed the Bush tax cuts in exchange for a small tax holiday. I don't think he is a good negotiator.
I do believe he was a better choice than McCain and a better choice than Romney. What's your point?
Yes. I am critical of Romney and Obama on the same forum. How is that possible?
Beyond inserting himself into the biographies of other presidents, he is now trying to rename the current generation of voting youth as "Gen 44" as in the 44th president. I suppose this is to be expected from a guy that named his dog after himself. http://www.barackobama.com/gen44
(http://secure.assets.bostatic.com/hydepark/images/groups/gen44/gen44-logo.png)
You can't make this smile up!
I'm just waiting for Obamerica.
Wow! Now he has added some more since yesterday to the official White House biographies of more past presidents:
President Dwight Eisenhower:
established the President's Council on Youth Fitness on July 16, 1956 (now known as The President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports). The Obama blurb says the Council "is still going strong...working in conjunction with the First Lady Michelle Obama's Let's Move initiative to help promote healthier lifestyles."
President John F. Kennedy:
- The Peace Corps, created in 1961 during the presidency of John F. Kennedy, reached its 50-year milestone on President Obama's watch: "In 2011, President Obama celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Peace Corps with a Presidential Proclamation."
President Richard Nixon:
- In 1973, Richard Nixon created The President's Export Council, which was expanded and reconstituted under President Jimmy Carter in 1979. "Today the PEC continues to work towards reaching President Obama's goal of doubling the nation's exports by 2014's end."
President Jimmy Carter:
- President Jimmy Carter created the Department of Energy in 1977. "Today the DOE works with the Obama Administration to drive towards innovation in energy and reducing reliance on foreign oil with an 'all of the above' approach."
President George H.W. Bush:
- President Barack Obama awarded George H.W. Bush the 2010 Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, for his commitment to service and ability to inspire volunteerism throughout the country, encouraging citizens to be "a thousand points of light." The Obama administration "continues to promote service and civic engagement, honoring heroes of local communities as 'Champions of Change' and fostering civic participation."
President Bill Clinton:
- President Bill Clinton created the Clinton Foundation in 2001 to improve global health, education, economies and environments. "Affectionately calling him 'Do-Gooder-in-Chief,' President Obama has worked with Clinton to make buildings in our country more efficient—announcing a $4 billion investment in energy efficiency upgrades for commercial buildings."
President George W. Bush:
- In 2002, President George W. Bush's State of the Union was the first to be live broadcast on the Internet. In 2011 and 2012, President Obama's State of the Union speeches were available in a live-stream version that featured infographics, charts and data side-by-side in real time with the president's speech.
Someone's having a come-apart.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 15, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
You're getting too easy.
Look at the slutty kettle calling the whorish pot black.
"too easy". Pffft, it was a classic.
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 08:32:28 AM
Wow! Now he has added some more since yesterday to the official White House biographies of more past presidents:
President Dwight Eisenhower:
established the President's Council on Youth Fitness on July 16, 1956 (now known as The President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports). The Obama blurb says the Council "is still going strong...working in conjunction with the First Lady Michelle Obama's Let's Move initiative to help promote healthier lifestyles."
President John F. Kennedy:
- The Peace Corps, created in 1961 during the presidency of John F. Kennedy, reached its 50-year milestone on President Obama's watch: "In 2011, President Obama celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Peace Corps with a Presidential Proclamation."
President Richard Nixon:
- In 1973, Richard Nixon created The President's Export Council, which was expanded and reconstituted under President Jimmy Carter in 1979. "Today the PEC continues to work towards reaching President Obama's goal of doubling the nation's exports by 2014's end."
President Jimmy Carter:
- President Jimmy Carter created the Department of Energy in 1977. "Today the DOE works with the Obama Administration to drive towards innovation in energy and reducing reliance on foreign oil with an 'all of the above' approach."
President George H.W. Bush:
- President Barack Obama awarded George H.W. Bush the 2010 Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, for his commitment to service and ability to inspire volunteerism throughout the country, encouraging citizens to be "a thousand points of light." The Obama administration "continues to promote service and civic engagement, honoring heroes of local communities as 'Champions of Change' and fostering civic participation."
President Bill Clinton:
- President Bill Clinton created the Clinton Foundation in 2001 to improve global health, education, economies and environments. "Affectionately calling him 'Do-Gooder-in-Chief,' President Obama has worked with Clinton to make buildings in our country more efficient—announcing a $4 billion investment in energy efficiency upgrades for commercial buildings."
President George W. Bush:
- In 2002, President George W. Bush's State of the Union was the first to be live broadcast on the Internet. In 2011 and 2012, President Obama's State of the Union speeches were available in a live-stream version that featured infographics, charts and data side-by-side in real time with the president's speech.
You are simply beyond belief. A marketing guy who believes in marketing for anyone but Democrats and black presidents. Strange brew indeed.
Quote from: AquaMan on May 16, 2012, 09:47:42 AM
You are simply beyond belief. A marketing guy who believes in marketing for anyone but Democrats and black presidents. Strange brew indeed.
To take a historical account like an official White House biography and insert yourself, is just a bit much. I mean really?
Of course I'm fairly convinced you would defend him no matter what. If he were to replace each of these biographies with a treatise on his own greatness you would simply refer to it as marketing, and praise him for doing so. The cliff looms and you happily march towards it.
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 10:36:31 AM
Of course I'm fairly convinced you would defend him no matter what.
You attack him no matter what. Calling you out isn't always defending someone.
Quote from: Townsend on May 16, 2012, 10:42:28 AM
You attack him no matter what. Calling you out isn't always defending someone.
It's just that he seems to continue to take actions that do nothing but invite ridicule.
Why the hell would the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world, feel it necessary to be so egocentric?
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 10:50:03 AM
It's just that he seems to continue to take actions that do nothing but invite ridicule.
Why the hell would the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world, feel it necessary to be so egocentric?
How many people do you think look at the info from that page?
I'm going to guess that the majority of the people who see it are people looking for any reason to rant against the president.
Quote from: Townsend on May 16, 2012, 10:53:10 AM
How many people do you think look at the info from that page?
I'm going to guess that the majority of the people who see it are people looking for any reason to rant against the president.
. . .or students doing research for school. The White House website is a rather strong bibliographic reference.
This is the same path that was taken in other countries after changes in government. History books were altered to paint the new boss as superior to the old bosses. Vorwärts!
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
. . .or students doing research for school. The White House website is a rather strong bibliographic reference.
This is the same path that was taken in other countries after changes in government. History books were altered to paint the new boss as superior to the old bosses. Vorwärts!
Happens every campaign year for each person running. People were seriously trying to put a good spin on Santorum and Bachmann. Please.
Quote from: Townsend on May 16, 2012, 09:11:17 AM
Look at the slutty kettle calling the whorish pot black.
"too easy". Pffft, it was a classic.
I obviously disagree.
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 10:36:31 AM
To take a historical account like an official White House biography and insert yourself, is just a bit much. I mean really?
Of course I'm fairly convinced you would defend him no matter what. If he were to replace each of these biographies with a treatise on his own greatness you would simply refer to it as marketing, and praise him for doing so. The cliff looms and you happily march towards it.
Don't be so doofus. You act like this is your religion. This is politics man. Updating an "official" White House biography with current status is not blasphemy. With your stilted view of the world Jackie Kennedy would never have redecorated the building because it was already Eisenhower official. Cape Canaveral would never have changed to Cape Kennedy. He's not changing the Magna Carta or the Washington Monument.
Sheesh. You guys take this anti-O, anti-D, anti-Lib thing to the extreme.
Interesting to know that continuing successful programs begun by past Presidents is narcissistic. Seems like it would be precisely the opposite given the word's definition, but I'm no English major.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 16, 2012, 12:45:28 PM
I obviously disagree.
You hate sidewalks. Can't take you seriously anyway.
Quote from: nathanm on May 16, 2012, 01:09:27 PM
Interesting to know that continuing successful programs begun by past Presidents is narcissistic. Seems like it would be precisely the opposite given the word's definition, but I'm no English major.
But he's being untruthful. He said this in the Reagan bio:
in a 1985 speech Reagan called for a fairer tax code, one where a multi-millionaire did not have a lower tax rate than his secretary.
Reagan pushed for simplifying the tax code, pushing a "simpler, three-bracket design" and "closing the loopholes,...(to) bring tax rates down for everyone! Obama misquoted this with an excerpt from his own speech about the Buffet rule on April 11th.
"I'm not the first President to call for this idea that everybody has got to do their fair share. Some years ago, one of my predecessors traveled across the country pushing for the same concept. He gave a speech where he talked about a letter he had received from a wealthy executive who paid lower tax rates than his secretary, and wanted to come to Washington and tell Congress why that was wrong. So this President gave another speech where he said it was "crazy" -- that's a quote -- that certain tax loopholes make it possible for multimillionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary. That wild-eyed, socialist, tax-hiking class warrior was Ronald Reagan.
"He thought that, in America, the wealthiest should pay their fair share, and he said so. I know that position might disqualify him from the Republican primaries these days but what Ronald Reagan was calling for then is the same thing that we're calling for now: a return to basic fairness and responsibility; everybody doing their part. And if it will help convince folks in Congress to make the right choice, we could call it the Reagan Rule instead of the Buffett Rule."
Dude is trying to run on Reagan by re-packaging what Reagan stood for. If President Obama wants to run for a second term, perhaps he should run on Obamanomics instead of Reaganomics? Reagan's suit simply does not fit! Never will.
Accurate Reagan Quotes:
"We want to cut taxes, not opportunity. As you can see, the percentage of income tax owed would come down, way down, for those earning less than $15,000, down for earnings between $15,000 and $30,000, down for earnings between $30,000 and $50,000, and down for those earning more than $50,000.... By lowering everyone's tax rates all the way up the income scale, each of us will have a greater incentive to climb higher, to excel, to help America grow."
"It stands to reason that the more complex our tax code is, the more open it is to abuse. So, we're making it simple to make it fair. America's tax plan will do away with special breaks for a few so we can lower the tax rates for all. Our simpler, three-bracket design will assure that no American pays one penny more than his fair share."
"By closing the loopholes, we can bring tax rates down for the vast majority of Americans. Our tax proposal is the opposite of trickle down; it's bubble up.
"Most important of all, America's long suffering families will get dramatic tax relief. The fair share plan gives all of America's families a much-needed break by lowering the tax rates, increasing the standard deduction, making tax deductible IRA's equally available to homemakers, and best of all, nearly doubling the personal exemption so that you can deduct $2,000 for yourself and every one of your dependents."
"And the way I see it, if our current tax structure were a TV show, it would either be 'Foul-ups, Bleeps, and Blunders,' or 'Gimme a Break.' If it were a record album, it would be 'Gimme Shelter.' If it were a movie, it would be 'Revenge of the Nerds' or maybe 'Take the Money and Run.' And if the IRS, Internal Revenue Service, ever wants a theme song, maybe they'll get Sting to do, 'Every breath you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you.'"
Reagan was always good at pointing out the absurdity of the over-engineered. He would have been the last person to embrace the Keynesian or Carterian models for economic recovery.
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 01:55:29 PM
But he's being untruthful. He said this in the Reagan bio:
You could just read Reagan's 1985 state of the union speech and find out for yourself, but that would be harder than making smile up, wouldn't it?
(Protip: Don't use quotes that contradict your thesis)
Quote from: nathanm on May 16, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
You could just read Reagan's 1985 state of the union speech and find out for yourself, but that would be harder than making smile up, wouldn't it?
(Protip: Don't use quotes that contradict your thesis)
Are you going to tell me what I made up, or just offer that open ended accusation?
Here is his 1985 SOTU. I still see no mention of a proposal like the Buffett rule, or anything remotely like what "THE ONE" is suggesting he stood for:
http://reagan2020.us/speeches/state_of_the_union_1985.asp
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 02:29:00 PM
I still see no mention of a proposal like the Buffett rule, or anything remotely like what "THE ONE" is suggesting he stood for:
Read more carefully, he spoke on the subject of loopholes.
Quote from: nathanm on May 17, 2012, 01:21:24 PM
Read more carefully, he spoke on the subject of loopholes.
Whoopty-doo.
That's not what the President is presenting in the Buffet Rule AT ALL (A minimum tax rate of 30 percent on individuals making more than a million dollars a year), or anything remotely close to what Reagan proposed, yet the president is still qualifying Reagan's actions as complementary to his own. Nor is it even remotely close to what Reagan said in that address.
Quote from: Gaspar on May 17, 2012, 01:50:42 PM
Whoopty-doo.
That's not what the President is presenting in the Buffet Rule AT ALL (A minimum tax rate of 30 percent on individuals making more than a million dollars a year), or anything remotely close to what Reagan proposed, yet the president is still qualifying Reagan's actions as complementary to his own. Nor is it even remotely close to what Reagan said in that address.
Funny, my transcript must be different than yours. I guess I could go watch it on youtube.
Quote from: AquaMan on May 16, 2012, 09:47:42 AM
You are simply beyond belief. A marketing guy who believes in marketing for anyone but Democrats and black presidents. Strange brew indeed.
It's all about "The Script".
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 10:50:03 AM
It's just that he seems to continue to take actions that do nothing but invite ridicule.
Why the hell would the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world, feel it necessary to be so egocentric?
Why do you keep dredging up the ancient history of the Baby Bush administration???
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
. . .or students doing research for school. The White House website is a rather strong bibliographic reference.
This is the same path that was taken in other countries after changes in government. History books were altered to paint the new boss as superior to the old bosses. Vorwärts!
You mean the revisionist history that Mitt is advancing today? Even before the election??
Quote from: Gaspar on May 16, 2012, 01:55:29 PM
Reagan was always good at pointing out the absurdity of the over-engineered. He would have been the last person to embrace the Keynesian or Carterian models for economic recovery.
And yet,...amazingly enough...that is exactly what he did! After his oft-touted tax cuts, he presided over the largest tax increases in the history of the world until that time. Because he UNDERSTOOD. Something Baby Bush and his clown-posse never did and never will.
He understood that even a modestly growing economy not only could afford the taxes, but MUST have them to function.
Being such a fan of Reagan, how would you feel about going back to exactly the situation when he left office? Or worse yet, going to the AVERAGE of the tax rate for his administration?
Quote from: Townsend on May 16, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
You hate sidewalks. Can't take you seriously anyway.
You are hardly a disinterested party as it was your post declared such an early thread winner.
I don't hate sidewalks everywhere. They are fine downtown. I don't think you are going to turn S Memorial into a pedestrian haven by putting in sidewalks.
On the flip side, if you build a sidewalk along Memorial between 111th and 131st by next year's Bixby BBQ Festival, I will use it. There is already a trail/sidewalk from 131st south to at least across the river. There is a little bit done by 121st. This year I got a ride to 131st and walked the rest of the way to the BBQ Festival. When I was ready to leave, I called to say I would be at 131st in about 10 minutes. Worked great.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 17, 2012, 06:20:26 PM
And yet,...amazingly enough...that is exactly what he did! After his oft-touted tax cuts, he presided over the largest tax increases in the history of the world until that time.
Did you get your loopholes closed? My taxes went up with my salary but nothing excessive taxwise beyond the increased limit on salary subject to Social Security. But then I didn't have a bunch of debt that I was making the other taxpayers help pay the interest.
Quote
Being such a fan of Reagan, how would you feel about going back to exactly the situation when he left office? Or worse yet, going to the AVERAGE of the tax rate for his administration?
If he raised taxes so much, why would the average tax rate for his administration be so much worse than at the end of his administration? Have you inhaled too much solder fumes?
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 17, 2012, 09:01:16 PM
Did you get your loopholes closed? My taxes went up with my salary but nothing excessive taxwise beyond the increased limit on salary subject to Social Security. But then I didn't have a bunch of debt that I was making the other taxpayers help pay the interest.
If he raised taxes so much, why would the average tax rate for his administration be so much worse than at the end of his administration? Have you inhaled too much solder fumes?
His administration ended up with tax rates at about 38% or so. The average through the entire 8 years was well over 50%.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 17, 2012, 08:12:55 PM
I don't hate sidewalks everywhere. They are fine downtown. I don't think you are going to turn S Memorial into a pedestrian haven by putting in sidewalks.
It's not about making it a pedestrian haven, it's about making it possible for pedestrians to access the area without (excessive) risk to life and limb. I don't think anybody expects or even cares if a Lowe's at 111th and Memorial (or even 71st and Memorial) is built with an urban form.
Personally, I would like those who would reduce density in the older part of the city to be so kind.
Quote from: nathanm on May 17, 2012, 10:13:38 PM
It's not about making it a pedestrian haven, it's about making it possible for pedestrians to access the area without (excessive) risk to life and limb. I don't think anybody expects or even cares if a Lowe's at 111th and Memorial (or even 71st and Memorial) is built with an urban form.
Personally, I would like those who would reduce density in the older part of the city to be so kind.
I believe you were among the louder complainers that there was no sidewalk from Robertson Tire to the Game Stop or something like that. I didn't really wish to reopen this bag of worms. Townsend did.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 17, 2012, 10:09:52 PM
His administration ended up with tax rates at about 38% or so. The average through the entire 8 years was well over 50%.
The top marginal rate from 82 to 87 was 50% so it would be difficult to have an average well over 50%.
My 1988 Tax rate schedule shows a top marginal rate of 33%.
You should have gone to lead-free solder sooner.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 17, 2012, 10:40:12 PM
I believe you were among the louder complainers that there was no sidewalk from Robertson Tire to the Game Stop or something like that. I didn't really wish to reopen this bag of worms. Townsend did.
Yeah, like I said, I think there should be sidewalks. I didn't say the whole area needs to be redeveloped to make it actually pedestrian friendly, only that it should not be designed to actively exclude them.
Quote from: nathanm on May 18, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
Yeah, like I said, I think there should be sidewalks. I didn't say the whole area needs to be redeveloped to make it actually pedestrian friendly, only that it should not be designed to actively exclude them.
We've been through that all before.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 17, 2012, 10:57:30 PM
The top marginal rate from 82 to 87 was 50% so it would be difficult to have an average well over 50%.
My 1988 Tax rate schedule shows a top marginal rate of 33%.
You should have gone to lead-free solder sooner.
Which brings us right back to the whole point - if Reagan's time was so great, then the current group of Murdochian's should be pleased - eager, even - to go back to what it was when it was so great.