Once again the trash dragon raises it ‘s head . It is the same dragon that existed some years back when the trash disposal was to be accessed on square footage of the structure not the volume trash those in the building created. This was abounded when the city attorney told the court that the city would come up with a more equable solution and the court tabled any finding until another solution was presented.
This time it is containers sizes not the amount of trash the cost is based on. This leaves one to visualize an upscale neighborhood, like Tulsans are building, where before going to work the resident sets the trash carts out at the curb for the day, to be scattered by the prevailing Oklahoma winds, thus they become traffic hazards.
There will be slight increase in trash bills to pay for the carts although the citizens have already been overcharged for the trash handling by millions of dollars. .
It is quite possible that Tulsa will need a TRASH COP department to find the carts equipped with radio signaling chips and return them to their assigned residences … The bright side is that Tulsa will create more government jobs and another political bureaucracy. .
Quote from: shadows on February 11, 2012, 06:18:17 PM
This time it is containers sizes not the amount of trash the cost is based on.
How would you propose to measure the amount of trash instead?
Just to sidetrack a bit but since Michael will be on this thread...
Does "Up With Trees" have any Crepe Myrtles and where would we get them? Would like a bunch of them for along the back fenceline.
Thank ya much.
Yes. Getting a big new shipment of trees including Crepe Myrtles on Wednesday.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 11, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
How would you propose to measure the amount of trash instead?
Technology can provide the answer.Require that the trash bins can be mechanically emptied, rather than manually dumped by the workers (if that is not already the case). The system that dumps them can read the RFID tags, weigh the trash (before and after weight of the bin) and optically determine the trash volume. A computer on the trash truck would instantly determine the customer's bill, including a fee for the distance from the dump site, and send it to "Trash Central" for further processing.
The cost to implement this system would most likely raise the rates for everyone and be more expensive than the highest presently proposed rates but it would insure that no one paid more than their fair share.
/smarta$$ comment
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 12, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
Technology can provide the answer.
Require that the trash bins can be mechanically emptied, rather than manually dumped by the workers (if that is not already the case). The system that dumps them can read the RFID tags, weigh the trash (before and after weight of the bin) and optically determine the trash volume. A computer on the trash truck would instantly determine the customer's bill, including a fee for the distance from the dump site, and send it to "Trash Central" for further processing.
The cost to implement this system would most likely raise the rates for everyone and be more expensive than the highest presently proposed rates but it would insure that no one paid more than their fair share.
/smarta$$ comment
From you? I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
Quote from: Hoss on February 12, 2012, 12:26:00 PM
From you? I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
Let go of the electric cord. ;D
Weighing trash?
Landfills don't close because they are too heavy.
Charging by container size is much smarter.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 12, 2012, 02:21:38 PM
Weighing trash?
Landfills don't close because they are too heavy.
Charging by container size is much smarter.
A really heavy trash can will probably contain things that don't compact at the landfill as easily as a trash can filled with empty cardboard boxes that haven't been flattened. Otherwise I agree.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 12, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
Technology can provide the answer.
Require that the trash bins can be mechanically emptied, rather than manually dumped by the workers (if that is not already the case). The system that dumps them can read the RFID tags, weigh the trash (before and after weight of the bin) and optically determine the trash volume. A computer on the trash truck would instantly determine the customer's bill, including a fee for the distance from the dump site, and send it to "Trash Central" for further processing.
The cost to implement this system would most likely raise the rates for everyone and be more expensive than the highest presently proposed rates but it would insure that no one paid more than their fair share.
/smarta$$ comment
I thought you were kidding. But I guess you were serious.
Not every problem has a viable solution with technology. Yes, I agree that the system you propose would work....for about 6 months. The extreme conditions that garbage trucks work in would seriously affect their performance. Rough roads, extreme temperatures, and dirty environments. Any one who has seen the trucks up close knows they take a beating and require lots of maintenance.
The customers themselves would be likely to load heavier or larger trash into their neighbors' cans if they are to be charged more for it. The cans themselves are likely to have their RFID's either lost or damaged due to rough handling and vandalism. What then? No service? Free service?
It is infinitely easier to simply choose from different sizes and be charged accordingly. Sometimes, simplicity trumps technology.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 11, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
How would you propose to measure the amount of trash instead?
As you are aware Tulsa is rapily becoming an aging city with its many senior citizens. The amount of actual trash, generated by this group (trash that cannot be recycled) is probably less than 45 gallons each month. This fast growing group is unable to maneuver those clumsy carts and baby-sit with them waiting for them to be emptied once a week of a handful of trash.
Recycling could be and should be made mandatory whereas the revenue from the recycling could be used to offset the cost of collecting of such.
The next generations will have to cope with land fills that contaminate the waters and soils of man made products that have an indefinite life span. This possible could also include the materials used to make the carts.
China, as well as the old world, is increasing their wealth on using our recyclable discards
Quote from: AquaMan on February 12, 2012, 03:36:04 PM
I thought you were kidding. But I guess you were serious.
Nope, just kidding. The heavy stuff
could potentially fill up the landfill sooner than a bunch of light weight stuff but container size is really the best way to go.
Quote from: shadows on February 12, 2012, 03:37:50 PM
... whereas the revenue from the recycling could be used to offset the cost of collecting of such.
RM,
Is there overall money in recycling or do we do it because it's the right thing to do? I'm sure some categories can make money but I believe I remember you saying some others are losers, money wise.
I am the largest residential glass bottle collector in the state and I lost money last year on glass. I made money on paper and cans and milk jugs , but broke even on water bottles. Hauling and handling costs eat most of the money.
Recycling revenue already subsidizes collection. I pay $!.44 every time the trash truck comes by my house and $.92 every time the recycle truck comes by my house.
After the new system is on place, the city will pay to dump a truck of trash and get paid to dump of collected recycled stuff. The exact same size truck will cost the city (and we ratepayers) $100 for trash and when full of recycling, will make the city $200.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 12, 2012, 06:38:54 PM
I am the largest residential glass bottle collector in the state and I lost money last year on glass. I made money on paper and cans and milk jugs , but broke even on water bottles.
You need a better bookie.
I have a 45 gallon trash cart (trash haulers will not empty) that sits out in the open. When the Oklahoma prevailing winds increase they treat it like a cardboard box.
We are not taking in consideration the possibilities of streets clutered with empty trash carts and the liability that can occur by these wind blown missiles.
Who will be liable if a wind blown cart causes a wreck when the driver tries to dodge it?
If it damages their auto?
If it injures a person on the side walk or crossing the street?
Children leaving the school bus?
City workman comp cost is being looked into; now is the city prepared for claims that could be generated by the trash cart missiles?
Or WC for workers back injuries because of lifting oveweighted trash carts?
Quote from: shadows on February 14, 2012, 05:20:37 PM
I have a 45 gallon trash cart (trash haulers will not empty) that sits out in the open. When the Oklahoma prevailing winds increase they treat it like a cardboard box.
We are not taking in consideration the possibilities of streets clutered with empty trash carts and the liability that can occur by these wind blown missiles.
Who will be liable if a wind blown cart causes a wreck when the driver tries to dodge it?
If it damages their auto?
If it injures a person on the side walk or crossing the street?
Children leaving the school bus?
City workman comp cost is being looked into; now is the city prepared for claims that could be generated by the trash cart missiles?
Or WC for workers back injuries because of lifting oveweighted trash carts?
Why out in the open? You do realize that you must bring your container away from the pickup point no later than 12 hours after pickup..right? Keep mine up on the porch where it remains through the strongest of winds. Mine's a 50 gallon container and they never have rejected it.
I think you're doing it wrong....
Quote from: shadows on February 14, 2012, 05:20:37 PM
I have a 45 gallon trash cart (trash haulers will not empty)...
...Or WC for workers back injuries because of lifting oveweighted trash carts?
Yes, you are breaking the rules. The workers could hurt themselves trying to empty your illegal cart.
The new system will have automated flippers that empty the new 90 gallon carts. All the workers have to do is to wheel the cart over to the truck and then return to the curb.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 14, 2012, 05:43:44 PM
Yes, you are breaking the rules. The workers could hurt themselves trying to empty your illegal cart.
The new system will have automated flippers that empty the new 90 gallon carts. All the workers have to do is to wheel the cart over to the truck and then return to the curb.
Is mine illegal? Granted it's never full, and I always bag my indoor refuse, but didn't realize the 50 gallon cart might be illegal. It's the only one I have and sometimes I don't need to put it out but once a week. Actually, most of the time that's the case, but I do put it out if I have a bag or two (usually these are 13 gallon trash bags). Hasn't been quite as much since I started with green recycle bins a couple of years ago. ;D
Shadows, the trash carts are heavier than most poly and metal type trash cans in use now. Those and their lids are a real hazard in windy conditions. I've not seen empty trash carts blown out into the street in north Tulsa or in Midwest City where my future wife lives. I also don't believe you will see nearly as many instances of dogs and other animals tipping over trash cans.
Sorry, but I think you missed on this argument.
Quote from: Hoss on February 14, 2012, 05:27:14 PM
Why out in the open? You do realize that you must bring your container away from the pickup point no later than 12 hours after pickup..right? Keep mine up on the porch where it remains through the strongest of winds. Mine's a 50 gallon container and they never have rejected it.
I think you're doing it wrong....
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Two hundred fifty thousand wind blown missiles trash carts, divided by 5 working days (50,000 each day) with a part of them sitting by the curb up to 12 hours a day will not cause a hazard to the citizens and their children?
Front porch should be used to fill trash carts? Don’t that make a trashy front porch entrance?
Why do you look to make up problems, shadows?
Almost every large city in America already uses these carts as well as almost every suburb of Tulsa. I have tried to find a single scrap of evidence where a 95 gallon trash cart became a missile or became a hazard to citizens or children.
But I guess you could be first.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 14, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
Why do you look to make up problems, shadows?
Almost every large city in America already uses these carts as well as almost every suburb of Tulsa. I have tried to find a single scrap of evidence where a 95 gallon trash cart became a missile or became a hazard to citizens or children.
But I guess you could be first.
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Broken Arrow, a fast growing city adjoining Tulsa to the south, furnish trash bags without cost to its citizens, and the city picks the filled ones up twice a week. It is required by the city to bag all trash whereas when the truck leaves, the curb is clean of trash carts or trash cans. We all look for solutions for our problems and overlook those solutions that are working within our sight.
Follow the money is the best answer to government problems
Most cities must not have as many hungery Attorneys as Tulsa.
Broken Arrow is converting to carts as well.
Broken Arrow charges the citizens more each month to pay for the bags. The monthly price is more than two dollars more than what Tulsans pay. Those bags aren't free.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 14, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
I have tried to find a single scrap of evidence where a 95 gallon trash cart became a missile or became a hazard to citizens or children.
But I guess you could be first.
Think
explosives trashcan propellant.
;D
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 14, 2012, 06:56:53 PM
Broken Arrow is converting to carts as well.
Broken Arrow charges the citizens more each month to pay for the bags. The monthly price is more than two dollars more than what Tulsans pay. Those bags aren't free.
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Broken Arrow has tried before to convert to another system but the outcry from citizens tabled the idea. It comes up ever year but the citizen’s don’t want smelly trash carts sitting on their front porches. They also allow citizens a choice of city or private pickup. Would you not consider this an advanced policy? Cost is $14.50
One should define what is trash that the world’s east and mid-east are paying a premium for.
Have you seen a BA trash pickup bill? Want me to post a copy? OR would that be permitted?
Quote from: shadows on February 14, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
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Broken Arrow has tried before to convert to another system but the outcry from citizens tabled the idea. It comes up ever year but the citizen's don't want smelly trash carts sitting on their front porches. They also allow citizens a choice of city or private pickup. Would you not consider this an advanced policy? Cost is $14.50
One should define what is trash that the world's east and mid-east are paying a premium for.
Have you seen a BA trash pickup bill? Want me to post a copy? OR would that be permitted?
Think I'ma defer to RM on this. If anyone knows ANYTHING about trash, he DOES...
;D
Quote from: shadows on February 14, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
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It comes up ever year but the citizen's don't want smelly trash carts sitting on their front porches.
The carts don't smell too bad if you bag your trash before putting it in the cart. We put bags in all our large inside trash cans and empty the little ones into the large ones with bags before putting the trash in the outside cart. Cardboard boxes etc don't usually smell too bad. I can't help you with the front porch thing. We put our cart on the backyard side of the garage door since our garage door doesn't face the street. I guess we could put up a small trash cart privacy fence if we wanted to.
Quote from: shadows on February 14, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
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Cost is $14.50
Have you seen a BA trash pickup bill? Want me to post a copy? OR would that be permitted?
Sure. Do you have a current bill?
The cost went up to $15.50 on January 1st.
Also...think about this now...if you recycle the way you are supposed to, those four to six bags of trash become two, and a good size bin (or bins) of recyclable waste.
RM, will the recycling style change, or will we be able to put other kinds of recycle items (things other than #1 and #2 plastics come to mind) into the stream?
Thanks.
The new program should take all plastic bottles, drink cartons, egg cartons, all types cardboard and all the stuff they currently take.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 15, 2012, 12:31:21 AM
The new program should take all plastic bottles, drink cartons, egg cartons, all types cardboard and all the stuff they currently take.
Guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been...my mistake.
Some plastics I note have #5, #7 etc etc and still bear the recycle symbol. Will that be accepted or is it strictly as you've defined above?
Specifically I noted that some of these plastic party cups have a recycle emblem on them, but are stamped within the emblem with '6', instead of 1 or 2, like the others.
Thanks again.
Maybe. All plastic bottles will be accepted, but maybe not all plastic cups and tubs. I will let you know.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 12, 2012, 09:08:06 AM
Yes. Getting a big new shipment of trees including Crepe Myrtles on Wednesday.
Another side track - from the previous question, I am now under the impression that the trees are also sold to the public. Is that true?
e-mail me at recyclemichael@yahoo.com
The part of OKC where I travel the most has the carts and it seems to work well. Have been 'caught' behind the trucks before and it is very efficient and quick to empty the carts.
BA with the trash bags is very nice. I have no problem at all with $14.50 of $15.50 or even slightly more. Still cheaper than the private haulers that some friends have out on east side of BA. And they will take just about anything, like mattresses, with a little bit of notice. Refrigerators and freezers will be hauled if you provide a certificate that they have been drained of freon!
BA seems to be starting to lose it's way a little bit, though. Getting rid of trash bags would be bad thing. They also want to make Main street all parallel parking. Stupid. That's what happens when a bunch of 'furrener's' move into an area and take over - squeezing out the natives.
Quote from: shadows on February 14, 2012, 06:01:50 PM
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Two hundred fifty thousand wind blown missiles trash carts, divided by 5 working days (50,000 each day) with a part of them sitting by the curb up to 12 hours a day will not cause a hazard to the citizens and their children?
Front porch should be used to fill trash carts? Don't that make a trashy front porch entrance?
Dang, take a valume and calm your existance. It's only trash collection!
The new plan is much better than the status quo. Tulsans cannot continue to send all of their trash to the landfill, hopefully this change will encourage recycling. If the city recycles, it gets paid. If it goes to the landfill it pays out. Makes sense to me that if you are part of the equation that contributes to the landfill outlay that you pay your fair share.
I am one of the "lives out in East B.A." my trash bill is 38 Dollars every two months. One day a week pick up. Which I have hated the last 8 years of doing it. My service doesn't offer two day's a week. Everyone has a cart. They work great except for a family of six who produce a lot of trash. I have two other standard trash cans that we have to use and our service doesn't seem to mind the extra amount of trash.
The last I lived in B.A. City limits. My water and trash was anywhere from 34 dollars to just under 40 a month. That was with trash bags supplied by the city and twice a week pickup. The two rolls supplied never make it through a one year period. But it is a nice perk from the city.
I say give the carts a chance and I think you will get used to them like I have. They only get as smelly as you allow your children to get them.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 15, 2012, 12:09:14 AM
Sure. Do you have a current bill?
The cost went up to $15.50 on January 1st.
Negative, I have not seen a current trash bill for last month, but neither have i seen a reliable estimate on the cost of cart use for trash pickup.
BA furnishes 4 large rolls of trash bags each year.
If you bag the trash then place it in the cart what is gained by the millions in dollars to be spent on clumsy trash carts?
Simple economics dictates reasoning that sitting the bags at the curb allows the employee to load them in the truck much faster the positioning the cart to be emptied.
The good-ole-boys in the ivory towers of Tulsa’s city hall are selling the citizens another pig in a poke.
Remember storm water management was sold to the Tulsans to cost under $2.00 per month?
No. You are wrong.
I have studied the operating costs of trash collection and picking up the bags from the curb allows the workers to handle about the same number of houses per day as the cart system. They start the day faster, then tire from all the bending over and picking up bags which can weigh 30 pounds or more. The bag collection also dramatically increases back injuries and workmen's comp rates.
The bags also cost the City of Broken Arrow a half a million dollars a year, every year, while the carts last ten years or more. I don't know why you think the carts are clumsy.
And just to keep piling on, you are incoreect in the statement that the stormwater bills were never to be under $2 a month. They started at $2 (and have risen regularly as have all utility bills). The price for trash service in Tulsa has been pretty static for ten years now.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 15, 2012, 02:49:07 PM
No. You are wrong.
And just to keep piling on, you are incoreect in the statement that the stormwater bills were never to be under $2 a month. They started at $2 (and have risen regularly as have all utility bills). The price for trash service in Tulsa has been pretty static for ten years now.
Good buddy I too have observed both the use on the experimental carts on the north side by the city and use of the bag system in by BA.
Am also aware that the citizens were sold that building a trash burner for a private company for over 96 million dollars was to cure the disposal of trash while the company sold the burner to another company.
Am also aware that the promotion of the SWF was cited on the Colorado Springs assessment (which I heard was abounded) at the meeting held at the north side school (have tape of meeting)which was said the be under $2.00.
The city has used a part of the north side as an experiment on the use of cart pickup of trash over much of the past decade. Why don't you cite the total savings from this experiment?
As I have posted before the population of Tulsa is aging fast and their retirement income is based on their working years and their ability to survive now is in jeopardy by the essential need for food. The price of food has increased as much as 25% as reflected by the increase in sales taxes.
Increasing the city bond debt to buy the carts will create more burden on them. Just add it on their water bill? Lets follow the money.
shadows wins.
I can't discuss things with people who refuse to listen.
Nothing was experimental despite what you thought you heard and carts were not going to be free if we would just follow the money. My proof is that the cart service area of Tulsa is $3 cheaper every month than the rest of the city.
If anyone wants to discuss the new trash and recycling, see a different thread.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 15, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
I can't discuss things with people who refuse to listen.
Nothing was experimental despite what you thought you heard and carts were not going to be free if we would just follow the money. My proof is that the cart service area of Tulsa is $3 cheaper every month than the rest of the city..
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Sorry but I must apologize if I have offended you but I too am aware of the operating bureaucracy that has gained control of the city and are reducing or depleting the aging citizens retirement assets.
The TW is exercising their obligation to look into the actions of the uncountable kingdoms that have been established.
The bond raters have this city under scrutiny in refusing to increase its bond rating,
My sole purpose is to sound the alarm that there are native citizens of Tulsa that are being priced out of their livelihoods. Those who remain silent because they have already been priced out of the source ofknowing why their bills are increasing.
They are unable to understand an economy that has gone wild with greed. So be it.
RM, (or anyone who might know)
Would you happen to know the relative amount (volume or weight) of trash burned at the burn plant versus how much goes to landfill?
Tulsa took 130,000 tons of residential waste to the burn plant last year. The plant had probably double that in commercial waste last year. The plant has three burners each rated at 375 tons per day for a maximum of 410,000 tons per year. The plant has never burned that much, but has had plenty of years where they processed 350,000 tons.
There are many landfills in the Tulsa area. The Waste Management owned landfill out east handles a little less than 300,000 tons from the region and the American Waste landfill out west handles about 200,000 tons per year. The remaining regional landfills handle about 100,000 tons per year combined.
Sounds like maybe we burn about 1 part for every 2 parts that the landfills get...? Or about 1/3.
Doesn't sound like it is a capacity issue so much as that much of the trash won't 'burn'? Plus, I'm thinking you have the better way to deal with plastic rather than burning. How much plastic gets recycled here?
ask these questions on the other thread and I will answer
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 15, 2012, 10:58:26 PM
Tulsa took 130,000 tons of residential waste to the burn plant last year. The plant had probably double that in commercial waste last year. The plant has three burners each rated at 375 tons per day for a maximum of 410,000 tons per year. The plant has never burned that much, but has had plenty of years where they processed 350,000 tons.
There are many landfills in the Tulsa area. The Waste Management owned landfill out east handles a little less than 300,000 tons from the region and the American Waste landfill out west handles about 200,000 tons per year. The remaining regional landfills handle about 100,000 tons per year combined.
RM, are you in a position to know of any plans or attempts to harness the landfill gas at any of the landfills in the area? Bothers me to no end to drive past a landfill and see a flare sending waste heat into the atmosphere when it can have a useful purpose for a nearby industrial concern.
The east Tulsa landfill captures the gas and pipes it to the nearby concrete plant. The other landfills are working on similar collection plans.
Can we split the useful parts of this thread over to Michael's thread?
Quote from: Townsend on February 16, 2012, 10:04:56 AM
Can we split the useful parts of this thread over to Michael's thread?
Which thread is it? I'll gladly hop over.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 16, 2012, 10:41:39 AM
Which thread is it? I'll gladly hop over.
I think he wanted to use this one. http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18687.msg228114#msg228114 (http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18687.msg228114#msg228114)
Another bargain basement bargain to be given to the Tulsa Citizens such as 95 gallons carts for trash and recycles with only at a slight increase over the project price of trash removal. The carts will hold some 570 lbs of wet trash that must be pushed out to the curb and positioned by hundreds of handicap and aged citizens of Tulsa. Is there a chance that these carts will be equipped with battery operated self propelled motors enabling these groups to manage getting their carts in position? Course these groups would expect to pay a slight increase for their trash service.
Quote from: shadows on April 04, 2012, 02:45:13 PM
Another bargain basement bargain to be given to the Tulsa Citizens such as 95 gallons carts for trash and recycles with only at a slight increase over the project price of trash removal. The carts will hold some 570 lbs of wet trash that must be pushed out to the curb and positioned by hundreds of handicap and aged citizens of Tulsa. Is there a chance that these carts will be equipped with battery operated self propelled motors enabling these groups to manage getting their carts in position? Course these groups would expect to pay a slight increase for their trash service.
Don't fill your cart with water prior to pushing it to the curb and you should be okay. Honestly, unless you have a bunch of grand or great grandchildren living with you I can't imagine you produce much waste at all. My wife and I rarely fill one small can a week as it is now.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 04, 2012, 03:21:06 PM
Don't fill your cart with water prior to pushing it to the curb and you should be okay. Honestly, unless you have a bunch of grand or great grandchildren living with you I can't imagine you produce much waste at all. My wife and I rarely fill one small can a week as it is now.
Maybe we'll get the city to fill that cart they give to him with pink gas....
My trash will take up one tenth of the size container I am made to wear and probably walked out to my depository only once a week.
There should be two sets of customers. The conscientious and the gluttonous, priced accordingly.
RM's Approach to Trash Collecting?
Quote from: Teatownclown on April 04, 2012, 03:49:54 PM
My trash will take up one tenth of the size container I am made to wear and probably walked out to my depository only once a week.
There should be two sets of customers. The conscientious and the gluttonous, priced accordingly.
RM's Approach to Trash Collecting?
I think there are two container sizes and two different rates.
Will it be allowed to sublease the extra unneeded space in the 95 gallon carts?
Tulsa should hold up on putting the city name of identifying signs on the carts because that will depreciate the resale value won't it?
There is a possibility the manufacturer has an overstock of returned carts that he keeps reselling.
Remember the old cliché "Get the contract and the profits are in the non bid changes".
Quote from: Conan71 on April 04, 2012, 04:27:26 PM
I think there are two container sizes and two different rates.
Actually I believe it's three. And I'm going to make sure I let my councilperson know that I've been monitoring about how much trash a week I generate and am pretty sure the 35 gallon bin will be just fine for my needs. Which actually reduces my utility bill by about a dollar, if the rates published last month are correct.
If a household recycles cardboard, paper, medal, glass, cloth and has a garbage disposal unit would he have more than 5 gallon of trash each week?
Would a hand full of bags for green stuff with stickers be his total trash needs?
Quote from: shadows on April 05, 2012, 02:40:22 PM
If a household recycles cardboard, paper, medal, glass, cloth and has a garbage disposal unit would he have more than 5 gallon of trash each week?
Would a hand full of bags for green stuff with stickers be his total trash needs?
When I remodeled my house, I got rid of the garbage disposal. I realized I rarely use one since I started composting kitchen waste.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 05, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
When I remodeled my house, I got rid of the garbage disposal. I realized I rarely use one since I started composting kitchen waste.
That would be awesome. I wouldnt have to snake the kitchen drain from the roof, which seems to be like once a year. I really would like to just buy one of those snakes and save the rental fee like I did with the toilet auger.
I just keep dreaming of the day that I become a empty nester.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 05, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
When I remodeled my house, I got rid of the garbage disposal. I realized I rarely use one since I started composting kitchen waste.
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Then you can keep your 95 gallon cart because the garbage from 21 meals in plastic bags could become quite smelly in the hot weather.
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