http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-national/california-politician-advocates-assassination-of-obama-and-family
California politician advocates assassination of Obama and family
Facebook faux pas: California libertarian and Tea Party darling Jules Manson is caught calling for the assassination of President Barack Obama and his children.
On Sunday, many Facebook users were greeted by the shocking spectacle of a California libertarian and Ron Paul supporter by the name of Jules Manson advocating for the assassination of President Barack Obama. Manson, a failed politician, recently ran for and lost a seat on the City of Carson's City Council last March. The following is the text of Manson's racist, treasonous, deplorable post:
"Assassinate the f----- n----- and his monkey children"
Manson posted the disturbing and openly racist call to assassinate Obama and Obama's children on his own Facebook wall, which was open to the public. Manson, a Ron Paul libertarian, was angry with Obama over a policy matter.
Well that's not very sporting, is it?
One might assume that the good folks at the Secret Service will be paying Mr. Manson (ha!) a visit toot suite.
Gotta be related to Charlie....
Ahhh, so this means all Tea Baggers are racist and approve of presidential assassinations. Is that where you were going with that RM?
Your subject title isn't even accurate. If you notice the story of the text he's a "failed" politician. You make it sound as if he's an office holder.
Where the hell did I hide my ruler? Twenty knuckle slaps for you.
We've been down this road of trying to hold hate speakers from the GOP/Teabagger bunch accountable.
Look where it's gotten them..... :-*
Quote from: Conan71 on January 19, 2012, 09:46:09 AM
Ahhh, so this means all Tea Baggers are racist and approve of presidential assassinations. Is that where you were going with that RM?
Your subject title isn't even accurate. If you notice the story of the text he's a "failed" politician. You make it sound as if he's an office holder.
Where the hell did I hide my ruler? Twenty knuckle slaps for you.
Interesting how you immediately jump to "The Script" and exaggerate to include everyone. When it specifically stated in the post that it was
Charles...uh, Jules Manson. Hardly includes all Tea Baggers.
Maybe "The Disciples" of "The Script" could take a shot of mellow juice (Wild Turkey, Jack, etc) to help this problem...
Quote from: Conan71 on January 19, 2012, 09:46:09 AM
Ahhh, so this means all Tea Baggers are racist and approve of presidential assassinations. Is that where you were going with that RM?
Your subject title isn't even accurate. If you notice the story of the text he's a "failed" politician.
Well, I guess you could also call Perry a "failed politician" unless you want to quality the definition.
I thought Tea Partiers and Libertarians were different animals. Just like Liberals and OWS are also different (in spite of what 234 pages of posts tried to intimate). People seem to put them wherever it seems useful.
Now, if he really was "the darling" of Tea Partiers then the original post and its title seems accurate.
Mike, why is he their "darling"?
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 19, 2012, 12:27:37 PM
Interesting how you immediately jump to "The Script" and exaggerate to include everyone. When it specifically stated in the post that it was Charles...uh, Jules Manson. Hardly includes all Tea Baggers.
He must be using the same Literary License that you use. I'm surprised that you didn't recognize it.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 19, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
He must be using the same Literary License that you use. I'm surprised that you didn't recognize it.
Qui, moi??
No, not me.
I just posted the story and used the same headline they used.
I posted this because it was interesting. Others posted anything they could find negative about the occupy movement and I posted something negative about the Tea Party movement.
If you are going to lump all the supportors of a movement into one category, you should realize that it is a two way street.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 19, 2012, 02:45:38 PM
I just posted the story and used the same headline they used.
I posted this because it was interesting. Others posted anything they could find negative about the occupy movement and I posted something negative about the Tea Party movement.
If you are going to lump all the supportors of a movement into one category, you should realize that it is a two way street.
Except the occupiers seem to have far more people with deviant traits. Wait... sounds like people I want to party with.
Quote from: patric on January 19, 2012, 12:32:45 PM
Well, I guess you could also call Perry a "failed politician" unless you want to quality the definition.
This dingleberry lost running for city council. Perry has run and won the office of governor of Texas. He's failed as a presidential candidate and Obama has simply failed as president.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 19, 2012, 03:02:07 PM
Except the occupiers seem to have far more people with deviant traits. Wait... sounds like people I want to party with.
If you really believe that, then you really haven't been paying close enough attention.
But party with the Tea Baggers?? Mmmm....maybe not.
I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that threatening the life of the president is a criminal act. Manson claims in an interview with the New York Daily News that Secret Service agents interviewed him and searched his home and computer with his consent.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 19, 2012, 04:22:07 PM
If you really believe that, then you really haven't been paying close enough attention.
But party with the Tea Baggers?? Mmmm....maybe not.
Oh yeah, that's right you are afraid of all the drugs, rape, public masturbation, defecation, urination, theft, intimidation, fights, stabbings, etc. that are so prevalent at the Tea Party rallies.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 19, 2012, 05:35:29 PM
Oh yeah, that's right you are afraid of all the drugs, rape, public masturbation, defecation, urination, theft, intimidation, fights, stabbings, etc. that are so prevalent at the Tea Party rallies.
You have to remember that Heiron has a different perception of what's acceptable than most of the rest of us.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 19, 2012, 12:49:45 PM
Qui, moi??
No, not me.
Yes, you.
"What? I never cry wolf. I just report the facts. Sometimes with a little literary exaggeration for effect..."
OK, "exaggeration" rather than "license" but the concept is the same. Lie to make a point.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 19, 2012, 05:35:29 PM
Oh yeah, that's right you are afraid of all the drugs, rape, public masturbation, defecation, urination, theft, intimidation, fights, stabbings, etc. that are so prevalent at the Tea Party rallies.
Tea Party Rallies? You've just described a regular day in a school system.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 19, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
Yes, you.
"What? I never cry wolf. I just report the facts. Sometimes with a little literary exaggeration for effect..."
OK, "exaggeration" rather than "license" but the concept is the same. Lie to make a point.
You mean 'Glenn Beck'.
or 'Rush Limbaugh'
or 'Michael Savage'...
Quote from: Hoss on January 19, 2012, 09:51:26 PM
You mean 'Glenn Beck'.
or 'Rush Limbaugh'
or 'Michael Savage'...
I was talking to/about our own Heiron. Whether or not those you mention do or not is irrelevant to whether or not Heiron does. (Use Literary exaggeration,by his own admission, and lie to make a point.)
Quote from: AquaMan on January 19, 2012, 08:36:40 PM
Tea Party Rallies? You've just described a regular day in a school system.
Or again, Congress.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 19, 2012, 09:58:34 PM
I was talking to/about our own Heiron. Whether or not those you mention do or not is irrelevant to whether or not Heiron does. (Use Literary exaggeration,by his own admission, and lie to make a point.)
This entire thread has been full of people making stupid generalizations. If a pissing match is desired, let this end it: What the crazypants Tea Partyists lack in ubiquity they more than make up for with spectacle. One of 'em flew a plane into a building because he didn't want to pay his taxes for crying out loud. The Tea Partyists had a couple of good points that needed to be aired, and so do the OWS folks. Complaining about the hangers on is missing the forest for the trees. In both cases, a large group of people are trying to tell us something is desperately wrong in Washington, beyond what has been usual over the past century. Too bad most of us are too busy bitching and moaning about the stupid things some stupid people who identify with the causes are doing. That's exactly what the people who are screwing us want.
So yeah, keep giving it to them.
Quote from: nathanm on January 19, 2012, 10:04:41 PM
This entire thread has been full of people making stupid generalizations. If a pissing match is desired, let this end it: What the crazypants Tea Partyists lack in ubiquity they more than make up for with spectacle. One of 'em flew a plane into a building because he didn't want to pay his taxes for crying out loud. The Tea Partyists had a couple of good points that needed to be aired, and so do the OWS folks. Complaining about the hangers on is missing the forest for the trees. In both cases, a large group of people are trying to tell us something is desperately wrong in Washington, beyond what has been usual over the past century. Too bad most of us are too busy bitching and moaning about the stupid things some stupid people who identify with the causes are doing. That's exactly what the people who are screwing us want.
So yeah, keep giving it to them.
Except he didn't identify with the Tea Party. Based on his twisted manifesto, he was an anarchist who blamed the IRS for all his troubles. He had very scathing words for President Bush, IIRC. He was an equal-opportunity hater. He hated Democrats and Republicans. He was simply a disaffected nut-job who didn't identify with anyone but blamed everyone for his own failures.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 19, 2012, 10:17:02 PM
He had very scathing words for President Bush, IIRC. He was an equal-opportunity hater. He hated Democrats and Republicans.
As with the Tea Partyists. ;)
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 19, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
Yes, you.
"What? I never cry wolf. I just report the facts. Sometimes with a little literary exaggeration for effect..."
OK, "exaggeration" rather than "license" but the concept is the same. Lie to make a point.
No, not lie. I leave that to the professional "entertainers" at Rupert's House. As stated in reply to dbacks when he asked if I worked for "Faux News". And I replied, "I certainly could - but that would mean making the gigantic leap from literary license to full blown (and I do mean blown!) lying. Just not my style."
And literary license is used to contrast and compare in actually what is a fairly reactionary way, the extreme nonsense spouted by the House of Rupert. And due to the extreme nature of the spewings from that source, it means an extreme response is dictated. But extreme responses are not the same as lies, distortion, and deceit - which IS the stock-in-trade of H of R.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 20, 2012, 08:00:30 AM
I believe you have crossed that line on occasion.
Absolutely not intentionally. Maybe said things that were wrong through lack of knowledge, or making a point of satire/irony/sarcasm. Not outright lie with intent to deceive and benefit from it like Gingrich, Rupert, and the gang.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 20, 2012, 05:27:51 AM
No, not lie. I leave that to the professional "entertainers" at Rupert's House. As stated in reply to dbacks when he asked if I worked for "Faux News". And I replied, "I certainly could - but that would mean making the gigantic leap from literary license to full blown (and I do mean blown!) lying. Just not my style."
And literary license is used to contrast and compare in actually what is a fairly reactionary way, the extreme nonsense spouted by the House of Rupert. And due to the extreme nature of the spewings from that source, it means an extreme response is dictated. But extreme responses are not the same as lies, distortion, and deceit - which IS the stock-in-trade of H of R.
Okay. Truth: "The Day After Tomorrow" was a fictional drama created by Hollywood. Exaggeration, "The Day After Tomorrow" was touted by scientific experts as a possible scenario as to something that may have happened but there is no proof of concept.
Truth: Wooly Mamoths have been found in an upright position trapped in multiple layers of earth and ice and appear to have asphyxiated.
Exaggeration: These mamoths must have been frozen in mid stride, and mid chew while eating during an instant freeze of the earth because nothing else would cause this condition.
Exaggeratehttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exaggerate (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exaggerate)
Exaggerate: see Faux News, MSNBC, CNN, Nancy Grace, Glenn Beck(why does he need two N's in his first name), Rush, Hannity, Madcow, Matthews, Dobbs, the nasaly one from AirAmerica Randy Rhodes, Al Sharpton, Al Franken, Bill Mahr. I will give Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert credit because they are humorists.
They all cater to the 'Mouth Breathers' that they all gasp, and cover their mouthes to whatever shpiel they spew. So are you buying into Goldline? Thats the hedge against the American economy. How much did you spend give to the fatalist?
Interesting story and there are more like it and it's surprising they aren't widely broadcast.
Several months ago, there was an inmate in a nearby city who escaped, murdered an elderly lady, stole her car, and headed east. He had a full plan as when he'd stop and kill someone else to get their car. His destination was D.C. and his target was the president. He'd been given a radio and spent all his time listening to the hate speeches and propoganda of the Tea Partyists, Fuax news, etc.
It doesn't mean that all Tea Partiers are crazy, but the influence they have on the crazies is very dangerous. I've never seen a similar story related to the Occupiers.
Quote from: Jammie on January 22, 2012, 06:59:42 AM
Interesting story and there are more like it and it's surprising they aren't widely broadcast.
Several months ago, there was an inmate in a nearby city who escaped, murdered an elderly lady, stole her car, and headed east. He had a full plan as when he'd stop and kill someone else to get their car. His destination was D.C. and his target was the president. He'd been given a radio and spent all his time listening to the hate speeches and propoganda of the Tea Partyists, Fuax news, etc.
It doesn't mean that all Tea Partiers are crazy, but the influence they have on the crazies is very dangerous. I've never seen a similar story related to the Occupiers.
I'm sure someone here will fabricate one for you.
Quote from: dbacks fan on January 22, 2012, 02:04:29 AM
Okay. Truth: "The Day After Tomorrow" was a fictional drama created by Hollywood. Exaggeration, "The Day After Tomorrow" was touted by scientific experts as a possible scenario as to something that may have happened but there is no proof of concept.
Truth: Wooly Mamoths have been found in an upright position trapped in multiple layers of earth and ice and appear to have asphyxiated.
Exaggeration: These mamoths must have been frozen in mid stride, and mid chew while eating during an instant freeze of the earth because nothing else would cause this condition.
The movie is definitely a fictional drama. There were exaggerations that are physically not really possible even with - 100 degree temperature just due to the nature of the phase changes that would have been required. Like the fuel in the helicopters - if it was Jet A, the freeze point is -40. But then there is the extra btus that must be removed for the phase change and that would take some time even at -100. A lot of time - at least enough to land safely without just nosing in. Red, do you happen to know the btu number per pound at the freeze point? I'm guessing it must be at least 40 to 60 (??) Would have to take at least several minutes to freeze the fuel.
Not sure what the finders mean by upright position. I don't think that necessarily equates to mid-stream, but it makes a story. Food in the mouth and stomach is something that is difficult to explain. It ferments/digests/rots pretty quickly in the intestines, but perhaps the stomach allowed a kind of "pickling" due to the acidic nature of stomach juices. Kind of like cabbage in acid (vinegar) becomes saurkraut - preserved but somewhat different - partially "rotted"?
Quote from: Jammie on January 22, 2012, 06:59:42 AM
Interesting story and there are more like it and it's surprising they aren't widely broadcast.
Several months ago, there was an inmate in a nearby city who escaped, murdered an elderly lady, stole her car, and headed east. He had a full plan as when he'd stop and kill someone else to get their car. His destination was D.C. and his target was the president. He'd been given a radio and spent all his time listening to the hate speeches and propoganda of the Tea Partyists, Fuax news, etc.
It doesn't mean that all Tea Partiers are crazy, but the influence they have on the crazies is very dangerous. I've never seen a similar story related to the Occupiers.
In particular in Texas - for some reason, TX seems to be a real hotbed of crazy. Like Elohim City here in OK.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 22, 2012, 09:41:45 PM
Red, do you happen to know the btu number per pound at the freeze point? I'm guessing it must be at least 40 to 60 (??) Would have to take at least several minutes to freeze the fuel.
I don't know the numbers off hand but agree it doesn't happen instantly as soon as the temp reaches either -40F or -40C ( ;D) I know that jets fly at altitudes that have temperatures colder than that. I'll have to check to see if they heat the fuel.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 22, 2012, 10:17:04 PM
I don't know the numbers off hand but agree it doesn't happen instantly as soon as the temp reaches either -40F or -40C ( ;D) I know that jets fly at altitudes that have temperatures colder than that. I'll have to check to see if they heat the fuel.
I have been told that military aircraft do, but it was from an Air Force avionics tech, so that was second hand - did not work on fuel systems directly.
Even -100 or -150 would take a fair amount of time - even without heat, it would have to be minutes rather than 5 seconds.