Gets repetitive...
QuoteOklahoma dropped two spots in an annual national health ranking to become the third least healthy state in the union.
The state is ranked 48th in overall health, compared to 46th last year, in America's Health Rankings by the United Health Foundation.
Louisiana and Mississippi were the two states ranking worse than Oklahoma.
The main reasons for Oklahoma's poor status are high rates of smoking, obesity and diabetes, as well as the low number of primary care physicians per capita.
In the past 10 years, obesity in Oklahoma has increased from about 20 percent of the population to more than 30 percent. Although smoking rates have decreased in the past five years, the state still ranks third from last with nearly 24 percent of the population smoking.
High points from the report included relatively low rates of binge drinking and infectious diseases.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=17&articleid=20111206_17_0_Oklaho358292 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=17&articleid=20111206_17_0_Oklaho358292)
Woo hooooo! We are #3!
Hey, low incidence of infectious disease! I guess that means we're not dirty after all.
Quote from: nathanm on December 08, 2011, 12:47:51 AM
Hey, low incidence of infectious disease! I guess that means we're not dirty after all.
or too lazy to rock the Casbah
OPI FB post:
Quote"Overall I would say it's a very encouraging ranking" - Secretary of Health Terry Cline on Oklahoma's ranking as 43rd healthiest state in the nation according to the United Health Foundation, up from 48th last year
So goodish news for us.
Probably only because we haven't become healthier per se, but some other states have become even fatter and lazier smoky slobs than we are.
Quote from: carltonplace on December 13, 2012, 12:51:27 PM
Probably only because we haven't become healthier per se, but some other states have become even fatter and lazier smoky slobs than we are.
Or Governor Fallin's healthcare plan is killing the sick faster than before.
Wait till 'BamaCare starts and we find more surprises. The "Death Panels" will be making our health care choices for us. Oops I mean the "Medical Advisory Board" aka "Death Panel Board".. We're in for a ruff ride. 'BamaCare starts full force in just about a year from now.
Governor Fallin is doing a great job, I'm very happy with her, she has our state's economy rocking & rolling, anyone who wants a job can find one in Oklahoma. The unemployment rate is 5%. We are in much better shape with Fallin then we were under Brad Henry the economy was in shambles back then under Henry. Fallin is doing her best to fight off 'BamaCare, we don't want 'BamaCare destroying our medical care system.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 13, 2012, 01:26:37 PM
Governor Fallin is doing a great job, I'm very happy with her, she has our state's economy rocking & rolling, anyone who wants a job can find one in Oklahoma. The unemployment rate is 5%. We are in much better shape with Fallin then we were under Brad Henry the economy was in shambles back then under Henry. Fallin is doing her best to fight off 'BamaCare, we don't want 'BamaCare destroying our medical care system.
She looks 25 lbs. heavier than when she took office. She wants to be a shining example of what we look like here.
Right, she's the one leading our economy. Try Brad Henry. In 3 years we can judge her record....right before she announces her candidacy.
Where is a decent state pollster?
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 13, 2012, 01:22:45 PM
Wait till 'BamaCare starts and we find more surprises. The "Death Panels" will be making our health care choices for us. Oops I mean the "Medical Advisory Board" aka "Death Panel Board".. We're in for a ruff ride. 'BamaCare starts full force in just about a year from now.
QuoteGovernor Fallin is doing a great job, I'm very happy with her, she has our state's economy rocking & rolling, anyone who wants a job can find one in Oklahoma. The unemployment rate is 5%. We are in much better shape with Fallin then we were under Brad Henry the economy was in shambles back then under Henry. Fallin is doing her best to fight off 'BamaCare, we don't want 'BamaCare destroying our medical care system.
You might want to take those pills in the cup they hand you in the mornings.
If you're measuring only unemployment, Oklahoma unemployment was at 3.3% in February through April 2008. It shot up once the legislature changed.
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST400000&fdim_y=seasonality:S&dl=en&hl=en&q=oklahoma%20unemployment%20rate (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST400000&fdim_y=seasonality:S&dl=en&hl=en&q=oklahoma%20unemployment%20rate)
Our state is surviving in spite of your crush not because of her.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 13, 2012, 01:26:37 PM
Governor Fallin is doing a great job, I'm very happy with her, she has our state's economy rocking & rolling, anyone who wants a job can find one in Oklahoma. The unemployment rate is 5%. We are in much better shape with Fallin then we were under Brad Henry the economy was in shambles back then under Henry. Fallin is doing her best to fight off 'BamaCare, we don't want 'BamaCare destroying our medical care system.
never cease to amaze me. You aren't an Oklahoma Highway Patrol officer by chance?
And guess what. SCOTUS indicated that "BamaCare" is constitutional. She won't fight it off. She just declared that we wouldn't be the ones setting up the health exchange; she'd let the federal gubmint do it for her.
Real great job she is doing there.
Quote from: Teatownclown on December 13, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
She looks 25 lbs. heavier than when she took office. She wants to be a shining example of what we look like here.
Right, she's the one leading our economy. Try Brad Henry. In 3 years we can judge her record....right before she announces her candidacy.
Where is a decent state pollster?
Brad Henry had the Oklahoma economy in shambles. Oklahoma had 7% & 8% unemployment (as did Tulsa) under Brad Henry. Fallin gave us 5% unemployment. Anyone who wants a job in Oklahoma can find one today, even with Obama in the whitehouse destroying the national economy. In a little more than a year 'BamaCare takes effect full force with death panels and all. (Medical Advisory Board) Telling us when and how we get treated. Fallin is doing her best to fight it off. We need to get behind Fallin and support her administration. Fallin also hopes to slash our income tax rates next year. :D
Funny stuff. Tragic. But funny.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 14, 2012, 01:15:58 PM
Brad Henry had the Oklahoma economy in shambles. Oklahoma had 7% & 8% unemployment (as did Tulsa) under Brad Henry. Fallin gave us 5% unemployment. Anyone who wants a job in Oklahoma can find one today, even with Obama in the whitehouse destroying the national economy. In a little more than a year 'BamaCare takes effect full force with death panels and all. (Medical Advisory Board) Telling us when and how we get treated. Fallin is doing her best to fight it off. We need to get behind Fallin and support her administration. Fallin also hopes to slash our income tax rates next year. :D
I wish someone would pull the plug on the library you keep going to.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 14, 2012, 01:15:58 PM
Brad Henry had the Oklahoma economy in shambles. Oklahoma had 7% & 8% unemployment (as did Tulsa) under Brad Henry. Fallin gave us 5% unemployment.
So the Governor of a state gets all the credit and blame for unemployment? How simple of you.
And by the way, you information is incorrect and misleading.
Under Governor Henry, the unemployment rate ranged from 3.7% when he took office, to 6% two years in, to 3.8% at the start of 2008 to 7.6% when he left office.
Under Governor Fallin, unemployment went up to 7.8% then dropped to 4.4% this summer, then has risen to 4.6% currently.
http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/oklahoma/
Quote from: RecycleMichael on December 14, 2012, 02:13:01 PM
So the Governor of a state gets all the credit and blame for unemployment?
You should know by now that Republican Governors/Presidents get credit for low unemployment and Democratic Governors/Presidents get blamed for high unemployment. ;D
Quote from: RecycleMichael on December 14, 2012, 02:13:01 PM
So the Governor of a state gets all the credit and blame for unemployment? How simple of you.
And by the way, you information is incorrect and misleading.
Under Governor Henry, the unemployment rate ranged from 3.7% when he took office, to 6% two years in, to 3.8% at the start of 2008 to 7.6% when he left office.
Under Governor Fallin, unemployment went up to 7.8% then dropped to 4.4% this summer, then has risen to 4.6% currently.
http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/oklahoma/
Yes but unlike Henry- Today Gov. Fallin has to fight against the federal government & Obama, Henry didn't have the long term effects of Obama - and the disaster Obama's policies do to the national economy. If we had someone like Romney or some conservative in the whitehouse since 2009 we'd be sitting pritty now. Gasoline will be cheap at around $1.50 a gallon and we'd have 3% unemployment in Oklahoma. Fallin is doing a super great job when you understand what she is fighting against. If Henry was in power today there is no doubt Oklahoma will be suffering under 8%-9% unemployment like some of our neighbor states have. Fallin is doing all the right moves, she still wants to slash Oklahoma's income tax, and that means more spending money for the residents and a stronger economy for the state as demand for goods increases resulting in more jobs and more jobs means more people have spending money and are paying taxes everything grows. It's a cycle of growth and a strong economy. State income grows and people's income grows. Economics 101!
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 18, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
Yes but unlike Henry- Today Gov. Fallin has to fight against the federal government & Obama, Henry didn't have the long term effects of Obama - and the disaster Obama's policies do to the national economy. If we had someone like Romney or some conservative in the whitehouse since 2009 we'd be sitting pritty now. Gasoline will be cheap at around $1.50 a gallon and we'd have 3% unemployment in Oklahoma. Fallin is doing a super great job when you understand what she is fighting against. If Henry was in power today there is no doubt Oklahoma will be suffering under 8%-9% unemployment like some of our neighbor states have. Fallin is doing all the right moves, she still wants to slash Oklahoma's income tax, and that means more spending money for the residents and a stronger economy for the state as demand for goods increases resulting in more jobs and more jobs means more people have spending money and are paying taxes everything grows. It's a cycle of growth and a strong economy. State income grows and people's income grows. Economics 101!
Long low whistle time.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 18, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
Yes but unlike Henry- Today Gov. Fallin has to fight against the federal government & Obama, Henry didn't have the long term effects of Obama - and the disaster Obama's policies do to the national economy. If we had someone like Romney or some conservative in the whitehouse since 2009 we'd be sitting pritty now. Gasoline will be cheap at around $1.50 a gallon and we'd have 3% unemployment in Oklahoma. Fallin is doing a super great job when you understand what she is fighting against. If Henry was in power today there is no doubt Oklahoma will be suffering under 8%-9% unemployment like some of our neighbor states have. Fallin is doing all the right moves, she still wants to slash Oklahoma's income tax, and that means more spending money for the residents and a stronger economy for the state as demand for goods increases resulting in more jobs and more jobs means more people have spending money and are paying taxes everything grows. It's a cycle of growth and a strong economy. State income grows and people's income grows. Economics 101!
I've run all out of facepalm images for you...
Quote from: Hoss on December 18, 2012, 03:02:31 PM
I've run all out of facepalm images for you...
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJMllatUOU5ktKonfH__Bq8KJ5om1QW8ANYQy9YggNqhXAMaK95w)
At least she's hot.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 18, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
If we had someone like Romney or some conservative in the whitehouse since 2009 we'd be sitting pritty now. Gasoline will be cheap at around $1.50 a gallon and we'd have 3% unemployment in Oklahoma.
Does sitting "pritty" allow you to pull numbers out of your a$$?
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 18, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
Yes but unlike Henry- Today Gov. Fallin has to fight against the federal government & Obama, Henry didn't have the long term effects of Obama - and the disaster Obama's policies do to the national economy. If we had someone like Romney or some conservative in the whitehouse since 2009 we'd be sitting pritty now. Gasoline will be cheap at around $1.50 a gallon and we'd have 3% unemployment in Oklahoma. Fallin is doing a super great job when you understand what she is fighting against. If Henry was in power today there is no doubt Oklahoma will be suffering under 8%-9% unemployment like some of our neighbor states have. Fallin is doing all the right moves, she still wants to slash Oklahoma's income tax, and that means more spending money for the residents and a stronger economy for the state as demand for goods increases resulting in more jobs and more jobs means more people have spending money and are paying taxes everything grows. It's a cycle of growth and a strong economy. State income grows and people's income grows. Economics 101!
You have no idea what is in Economics 101
Quote from: swake on December 18, 2012, 05:03:25 PM
You have no idea what is in Economics 101
I don' think he understands the word 'Economics'. Probably can't count to 101 either.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on December 18, 2012, 04:03:00 PM
Does sitting "pritty" allow you to pull numbers out of your a$$?
Not being able to spell allows him to claim anything as a "typo".
BTW, I never saw a "Econ 101" class. It was Econ 10. But you do share one characteristic, Sauer, with anyone who took it or Intro to Psych. Those students instantly became experts on all things economic and psych related. It took four more years to understand how stupid you sounded as a neophyte student. Fortunately for you, it may never happen.
It's not rocket science- raising taxes chokes the economy and kills jobs. Raising taxes in a recession is even worse such as what the doofus in the whitehouse is doing, he's choking the job makers, the very people who grow the economy... Mary Fallin knows cutting taxes makes more jobs, and cutting taxes grows the economy. Tax cuts also draw in more companies to the state and that expands the state's tax base. Fallin needs to totally get rid of Oklahoma's state income tax and maybe she can do it this time with republicans in the state house. Tax cuts are the key to a strong healthy economy.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 18, 2012, 06:20:33 PM
Not being able to spell allows him to claim anything as a "typo".
It would be just super if you can stay on topic and not comment about a poster. Please tell me what is incorrect about what I said. Raising taxes in a recession chokes the economy and kills jobs-- Cutting taxes grows the economy and makes jobs, giving people more money to spend too. Obama is destroying our economy and job market by raising taxes in a recession. The problem is too much gov't spending. Mary Fallin is on the right track!
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 19, 2012, 10:42:23 AM
Tax cuts are the key to a strong healthy economy.
I did not realize it was so simple. We should then have zero taxes and then everything will be just peachy.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 19, 2012, 10:47:31 AM
It would be just super if you can stay on topic and not comment about a poster. Please tell me what is incorrect about what I said. Raising taxes in a recession chokes the economy and kills jobs-- Cutting taxes grows the economy and makes jobs, giving people more money to spend too. Obama is destroying our economy and job market by raising taxes in a recession. The problem is too much gov't spending. Mary Fallin is on the right track!
Did you read the subject heading before you wrote this?
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 19, 2012, 10:42:23 AM
It's not rocket science- raising taxes chokes the economy and kills jobs. Raising taxes in a recession is even worse such as what the doofus in the whitehouse is doing, he's choking the job makers, the very people who grow the economy... Mary Fallin knows cutting taxes makes more jobs, and cutting taxes grows the economy. Tax cuts also draw in more companies to the state and that expands the state's tax base. Fallin needs to totally get rid of Oklahoma's state income tax and maybe she can do it this time with republicans in the state house. Tax cuts are the key to a strong healthy economy.
Wow. Can you really be THAT dense?
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 19, 2012, 10:47:31 AM
It would be just super if you can stay on topic and not comment about a poster. Please tell me what is incorrect about what I said. Raising taxes in a recession chokes the economy and kills jobs-- Cutting taxes grows the economy and makes jobs, giving people more money to spend too. Obama is destroying our economy and job market by raising taxes in a recession. The problem is too much gov't spending. Mary Fallin is on the right track!
So Mary Falin helped people make healthy choices and went jogging with them and helped them give up smoking? She closed McDonalds and eliminated food deserts?
Or did she just benefit because other states got fatter faster than we did.
Way to go Mary! We suck, but we are not as sucky as other states are right now!
Quote from: RecycleMichael on December 19, 2012, 10:48:45 AM
I did not realize it was so simple. We should then have zero taxes and then everything will be just peachy.
I never said that. When Obama spent $800 Billion on his wasteful spending package that $800 Billion had to come from somewhere, it came at the expense of the private sector and printing presses. We have a national debt of $16 Trillion and Obama wants to spend even more. The less money in the hands of gov't the better it is, the more money in the hands of the private sector the better it is. We are becoming another Greece.
Quote from: carltonplace on December 19, 2012, 11:16:06 AM
So Mary Falin helped people make healthy choices and went jogging with them and helped them give up smoking? She closed McDonalds and eliminated food deserts?
Or did she just benefit because other states got fatter faster than we did.
Way to go Mary! We suck, but we are not as sucky as other states are right now!
People need to make their own healthy choices, Michelle Obama wants to establish a food police telling others what to eat -while she can eat what she wishes. Michelle Obama's moto: "Do as I say & not as I do". Tulsa has a good system of jogging trails if people put them to good use and stop smoking the health would improve for the residents of Tulsa- We still have the freedom to make our own choices. I'm a life long runner when I started I just ran for enjoyment and R&R, today at my ripe old age I think more about the healthy effects of running. Mary Fallin can't make our health choices for us, that's something each person has to do, all she can do is make sure Oklahoma is a strong state with a good economy.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 19, 2012, 12:38:05 PM
People need to make their own healthy choices, Michelle Obama wants to establish a food police telling others what to eat -while she can eat what she wishes. Michelle Obama's moto: "Do as I say & not as I do". Tulsa has a good system of jogging trails if people put them to good use and stop smoking the health would improve for the residents of Tulsa- We still have the freedom to make our own choices. I'm a life long runner when I started I just ran for enjoyment and R&R, today at my ripe old age I think more about the healthy effects of running. Mary Fallin can't make our health choices for us, that's something each person has to do, all she can do is make sure Oklahoma is a strong state with a good economy.
You seriously need to lay off Drudge and Fox News. And the meds.
Sauer, you're just repeating what other people and bumper stickers tell you. You are among some of the most enlightened, educated (though polarized), economic thinkers in this city. Shut up and listen. THEN engage your brain to process what you've heard- divorce the politics from the meat- and see what comes out of your mouth.
When you call the president a doofus you lose immediate credibility and when you ignore other's rebuttals to your dogma as you have ever since you started posting here, people stop trying to 'splain stuff to you.
One example. Taxes were higher during several previous administrations, both republican and democratic. How do you explain the low unemployment/high income during those administrations? Kennedy, Johnson, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton. The deficits were also huge. And, at what rate are taxes low enough to stimulate?
There are no simple answers to complex problems. That is the key to why no one takes your posts seriously.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2012, 12:52:43 PM
Sauer, you're just repeating what other people and bumper stickers tell you. You are among some of the most enlightened, educated (though polarized), economic thinkers in this city. Shut up and listen. THEN engage your brain to process what you've heard- divorce the politics from the meat- and see what comes out of your mouth.
When you call the president a doofus you lose immediate credibility and when you ignore other's rebuttals to your dogma as you have ever since you started posting here, people stop trying to 'splain stuff to you.
One example. Taxes were higher during several previous administrations, both republican and democratic. How do you explain the low unemployment/high income during those administrations? Kennedy, Johnson, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton. The deficits were also huge. And, at what rate are taxes low enough to stimulate?
There are no simple answers to complex problems. That is the key to why no one takes your posts seriously.
It's not rocket science, cut taxes you spur the economy- raise taxes you choke the economy, you can't get out of a recession by raising taxes, and you can't tax your way out of a recession... Yes tax rates were much higher before but what is left out of the mix is way back then there were alot of tax deductions that lowered your effective tax rates. Today many of those tax deductions are gone, but they lowered the tax rates, now they want to keep boosing up the tax rates and all those deductions we had in the past are gone. The problem is not that we are taxed too little, but that gov't spends too much. Today in this Obama recession the states with the lowest unemployment rates are also the states with the lowest taxes. The states with highest tax rates have the highest unemployment rates.. As for the word "doofus" I was just figuring that Obama is our most un-experenced president we ever had and who's kidding who Obama is in way over his head- he has not a clue of what he's doing... To be blunt Obama is just a "empty suit"... Heck, People polked fun at Sarah Palin but at least she had tons more "smarts" and job experence than Obama does. Yes I think Sarah Palin would have made a good president. I'm a stong "T" Party supporter. I'd like to have either Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, or even Michelle Bachmann as president over that disaster we have in the white house today.. >:(
Do your fingers ever get tired and calloused from being kept in your ears so long? How difficult is it to run in that position? I'm guessing the only time you remove them is when a fellow T-partier is regurgitating.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 21, 2012, 01:42:49 PM
Do your fingers ever get tired and calloused from being kept in your ears so long? How difficult is it to run in that position? I'm guessing the only time you remove them is when a fellow T-partier is regurgitating.
What is incorrect about what I said? Does raising taxes help make jobs and grow the economy? Does less money in people's pockets help the economy grow? ???
Take a course in college. Econ 10 would be good. Or pay me by the hour. More incorrect in your post than not. You can use taxes to stimulate growth in particular areas or retard growth as needed, then use that growth to create wealth. Internet is good example.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 21, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
I'm a stong "T" Party supporter.
Holler that from the rooftops. That might make the more normal folks realize they need to stay away from the tea party.
You're one messed up feller.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 21, 2012, 01:50:41 PM
What is incorrect about what I said? Does raising taxes help make jobs and grow the economy? Does less money in people's pockets help the economy grow? ???
This one's for free cause I have a few minutes to waste.
Consider the plight of stagnating downtowns and how the tax code hampered their revitalization. Wealthy people know that they can defer taxation by purchasing old warehouses and commercial buildings cheaply in these areas, then board them up and depreciate them on their taxes. It was designed as a deduction to stimulate growth. Any "improvements" or expenses they incur are also deductible.
But it didn't work that way in these areas. Normally these buildings would be a great attraction for small entrepreneurs who could rent them cheap and start the process of rebuilding dilapidated areas. BUT, there is no real incentive for these wealthy owners to rent them out. Its a big hassle with contracts, insurance, repairs, maintenance and financially weak tenants. SO, they refuse to rent them unless its a sure deal like a big franchise company like Spaghetti Warehouse (sometimes they even flatten them regardless of their value to avoid insuring them). Easier to just take the deduction off their high incomes. Sometimes they burn them and collect insurance money. Sometimes they put the taxpayer on the hook.
SOOOO, to end that deduction would be an income TAX INCREASE for the wealthy but would serve to stimulate growth in new, creative, job creating businesses like Joe Momma's. So what should the government do Sauer? Its a complicated problem that you say is easy. Just reduce taxes and put more money in people's pockets right? But if you do that it means a concentration of wealth and valuable properties going to waste.
If the government is paying attention, they offer them tax concessions that make it more attractive to the land owner to open the building to rehabilitation. Stuff like grants, tax deferments, infrastructure improvements, aid in historical designations etc. BUT that is in effect using taxpayer dollars to subsidize wealthy folks. That wasteful spending stuff you Tpartiers hate.
What to do. What to do....
Quote from: AquaMan on December 21, 2012, 06:25:21 PM
Sometimes they burn them and collect insurance money.
That reminds me of an OLD joke about 3 "retirees".
2 fires and a flood. You've probably heard it.
Got it- raising taxes, making more rules, more choking regulations, more gov't spending and bigger gov't makes jobs and expands the economy sounds logical to me~ I know if I owned a business or company under those conditions I'd be hiring like mad and growing & expanding, tax my profits away.... If a company or business was run the way the federal gov't was run it would be a disaster. Ok back on topic each person has to make their own health choices. Smoking is something a person does of their own free will. We don't need any food police.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 22, 2012, 12:44:00 PM
Got it- raising taxes, making more rules, more choking regulations, more gov't spending and bigger gov't makes jobs and expands the economy sounds logical to me~ I know if I owned a business or company under those conditions I'd be hiring like mad and growing & expanding, tax my profits away.... If a company or business was run the way the federal gov't was run it would be a disaster. Ok back on topic each person has to make their own health choices. Smoking is something a person does of their own free will. We don't need any food police.
Taxes are a tool (avoiding obvious joke here). ;) They work quite well to effect the public good. Not perfectly but better than most systems that rely on other methods to pay for public needs. Whether or not we are getting our money's worth is a valid question but saying stuff like your first sentence is just kids stuff. Just step back from where you are getting your information and consider other sources. Go back and read the history of our government and how it has grown in response to its citizens, and its industry. Drop words like "raising taxes" , "choking regulations", "bigger gov't" and "logic". Then start thinking for yourself. We probably would still disagree but it would be at an informed level. As it is you're just like reading a bumper sticker on a HumVee.
The federal government IS run like a business since most of its leadership comes from the business world. Did you not know that? And most businesses effect pressure to make sure the government is run to benefit them. Do you deny or oppose that? Why? You learn from asking questions Sauer, not spouting political dogma.
Smoking gives lung cancer to those within proximity including children and old folks. If the government doesn't regulate smoking in public areas, who should? The guy with the concealed carry next to you? :)
Tulsa named one of the unhealthiest cities to be a womanhttp://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Tulsa-named-one-the-unhealthiest-cities-to-be-a/NPfMY5UwSkG9nAwiaYzFyw.cspx?rss=2448&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Tulsa-named-one-the-unhealthiest-cities-to-be-a/NPfMY5UwSkG9nAwiaYzFyw.cspx?rss=2448&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
QuoteWomen's Health Magazine named Tulsa one of the ten unhealthiest cities to be a woman.
The Women's Health research team compiled data on 38 measures of health and well-being, such as access to medical care, cancer rates, obesity rates and longevity.
The team also looked at lifestyle factors, everything from nutrition to unemployment to happiness and fitness, by using survey responses from places like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Census and the American Cancer Society.
The rankings were based on that data.
Here are the top and bottom ten:
TOP 10:
1 San Francisco, CA (healthiest city)
2 Salt Lake City, UT
3 San Jose, CA
4 Boise City, ID
5 Burlington, VT
6 Minneapolis, MN
7 Seattle, WA
8 Austin, TX
9 St. Paul, MN
10 Portland, ME
BOTTOM 10:
91 Detroit, MI
92 St. Louis, MO
93 Tulsa, OK
94 Jackson, MS
95 Indianapolis, IN
96 Cleveland, OH
97 Memphis, TN
98 Toledo, OH
99 Philadelphia, PA
100 Birmingham, AL (unhealthiest city)
Super great that, as men, many of us are just fine.
The team also looked at lifestyle factors, everything from nutrition to unemployment to happiness and fitness...
I just think our women are unhappy and it brought down the score.
And it is all men's fault they are unhappy.
Quote from: sauerkraut on December 21, 2012, 01:50:41 PM
What is incorrect about what I said? Does raising taxes help make jobs and grow the economy? Does less money in people's pockets help the economy grow? ???
Yes. As a matter of fact they do. As has been proven repeatedly over the last 70 years or so. If you had paid any attention to the real world, you would already understand.
Like Aqua said - only nicer - sit down, shut up, pay attention and you might just learn something real. Not that I expect that to happen...
I suspect that a lot of this may just be an act to try to instigate. Kind of like a more lucid Breadburner....
All the top cities mentioned are some of the most expensive places to live with one or two execptions. They all have high cost of livings and sky high housing costs.
Quote from: sauerkraut on January 04, 2013, 10:39:04 AM
All the top cities mentioned are some of the most expensive places to live with one or two execptions. They all have high cost of livings and sky high housing costs.
And so...
Quote from: Townsend on January 04, 2013, 10:40:20 AM
And so...
He doesn't realize that many of these high cost places to live offset that to some extent with a higher than average salary for the positions they employ.
But that involves research.
Quote from: sauerkraut on January 04, 2013, 10:39:04 AM
All the top cities mentioned are some of the most expensive places to live with one or two execptions. They all have high cost of livings and sky high housing costs.
Sorry...guess I was wrong about the more lucid version of Breadburner....
Study the whole package. You sound like Sarah Palin! Stop it!
Quote from: Hoss on January 04, 2013, 10:43:58 AM
He doesn't realize that many of these high cost places to live offset that to some extent with a higher than average salary for the positions they employ.
But that involves research.
I had the "opportunity" to be transferred to the San Jose / Milpitas CA area in the mid/late 80s. I asked about a cost of living raise and the best they would offer was about $100/mo. When I visited the area, I looked at some of the neighborhoods and saw Lincolns, Caddys, BMWs and Mercedes parked in driveways of what looked like $60,000 homes in the Tulsa area. I was told those houses were running $400,000+. I declined the transfer.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 04, 2013, 11:00:38 AM
I had the "opportunity" to be transferred to the San Jose / Milpitas CA area in the mid/late 80s. I asked about a cost of living raise and the best they would offer was about $100/mo. When I visited the area, I looked at some of the neighborhoods and saw Lincolns, Caddys, BMWs and Mercedes parked in driveways of what looked like $60,000 homes in the Tulsa area. I was told those houses were running $400,000+. I declined the transfer.
You are a special case - engineering just doesn't cut it. Got to be finance or upper management.
Even so, $100 a month was exceptionally low... Same company as now? That would explain some of it, but engineers here are always proportionally better off than either left or right coast. Either location, it is still always too low for the relative contribution to the bottom line.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 04, 2013, 11:00:38 AM
I had the "opportunity" to be transferred to the San Jose / Milpitas CA area in the mid/late 80s. I asked about a cost of living raise and the best they would offer was about $100/mo. When I visited the area, I looked at some of the neighborhoods and saw Lincolns, Caddys, BMWs and Mercedes parked in driveways of what looked like $60,000 homes in the Tulsa area. I was told those houses were running $400,000+. I declined the transfer.
Yep, not to mention the high taxes, besides California is bleeding residents due to the bad economy & high cost of living. The rich don't have a problem there- if you don't have millions of dollars many of those top rates cities are not for you. In California most people who are not rich have to rent, home buying is out of the question. The increase in wages does not cut it either. There are alot of real estate sites such as zillow.com and realtor.com that show you the homes on the market in any state or city you pick. Santa Monica homes don't look like much but even a mobile home costs a pretty penny. Not to mention California earth quakes, mud slides, wildfires and the like. No Thanks.
Quote from: sauerkraut on January 04, 2013, 01:04:50 PM
Yep, not to mention the high taxes, besides California is bleeding residents due to the bad economy & high cost of living. The rich don't have a problem there- if you don't have millions of dollars many of those top rates cities are not for you. In California most people who are not rich have to rent, home buying is out of the question. The increase in wages does not cut it either. There are alot of real estate sites such as zillow.com and realtor.com that show you the homes on the market in any state or city you pick. Santa Monica homes don't look like much but even a mobile home costs a pretty penny. Not to mention California earth quakes, mud slides, wildfires and the like. No Thanks.
I'm sure California is horribly disappointed.
Looked up a city worker in Berkeley one time. Sanitation engineer. $50K. Benefits too. No concern about sliding off into the bay but also no concern about tornadoes, floods and uninsureds. The city kept me on their mailing list for a year, just because I had logged on looking for positions.
I wonder if that position is still open....
I read an article a while back discussing the impact of first the dot.com bubble of the 1990s and then the housing bubble on the 2000s on the Bay area housing costs and workers. The result was very few police, fire, teachers and government employees could afford to live in the cities in which they worked due to housing costs. Many commuted several hours each way.
Related, a few years ago I spent a lot of time in San Francisco for a case and I was surprised by the number of young lawyers at the firms with which I was dealing (who's salaries started in the $140K to $150K range) who lived in Oakland and other surrounding cities and commuted in to SF. They said they simply could not afford to live in SF.
As for Tulsa's low showing on the health ranking – we are fat (men and women), smoke too much and avoid physical activity. Those are individuals' choices and the fix must come from individuals' solutions. Everything else is window dressing.
Forget San Fran, lets talk about Salt Lake City. I have found it to be an interesting place when you see what all is going on there. Very conservative on the one hand, but very progressive and forward thinking on the other (especially when it comes to transit and building pedestrian friendly developments as one example). According to the census data household incomes are quite similar to Tulsa's (we are actually a little wealthier in some categories) and % of the population in poverty is close as well.
Quote from: TheArtist on January 04, 2013, 05:33:49 PM
Forget San Fran, lets talk about Salt Lake City. I have found it to be an interesting place when you see what all is going on there. Very conservative on the one hand, but very progressive and forward thinking on the other (especially when it comes to transit and building pedestrian friendly developments as one example). According to the census data household incomes are quite similar to Tulsa's (we are actually a little wealthier in some categories) and % of the population in poverty is close as well.
If you like Salt Lake, I bet you would LOVE Vernal, UT!! Have been there a few times in the last decade, and even though it is a fairly small city (about 10,000), it has the feel of a larger place. I could see spending quite a bit of time there during the year - especially in the fall.
Came by the AD Museum today and found it closed. Walked through some of the art shops. Very nice.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 04, 2013, 07:35:53 PM
If you like Salt Lake, I bet you would LOVE Vernal, UT!! Have been there a few times in the last decade, and even though it is a fairly small city (about 10,000), it has the feel of a larger place. I could see spending quite a bit of time there during the year - especially in the fall.
Came by the AD Museum today and found it closed. Walked through some of the art shops. Very nice.
The AD museum (gift shop/visitor center, you can tour the displays in the lobby anytime the building itself is open) is currently only open Wednesdays 11-7 and Saturdays 11-2. We are having a meeting this month to consider adding Fridays 11-2. It's a matter of finding reliable volunteers and back ups for when they can't make it a particular day for some reason or another. We will keep on gradually expanding days and hours as we can. We will also be adding new displays in the lobby in the next month or two. My time over the last four months was eaten up trying to get my new shop open.
Quote from: TheArtist on January 05, 2013, 08:24:37 AM
The AD museum (gift shop/visitor center, you can tour the displays in the lobby anytime the building itself is open) is currently only open Wednesdays 11-7 and Saturdays 11-2. We are having a meeting this month to consider adding Fridays 11-2. It's a matter of finding reliable volunteers and back ups for when they can't make it a particular day for some reason or another. We will keep on gradually expanding days and hours as we can. We will also be adding new displays in the lobby in the next month or two. My time over the last four months was eaten up trying to get my new shop open.
Was going to try to get in today, but 'stuff happens', so didn't make it. Will try again next Saturday - right now it looks a little less hectic.
The lobby displays are wonderful!! I really enjoyed them a lot. I know you probably hear this a lot, but the level of professionalism is fantastic excellent!! Well, maybe not in that word combination.... (Guess it better be, huh, since you make your living at it....?)
Still don't know where the new shop is going to be...I must have missed it when you talked about it before, and I was unable to find it. Also, haven't seen anything about opening...? Did I miss that, too?