From the Occupy Tulsa Facebook page (via KRMG):
Of course these people don't have liberal leanings whatsoever. ::) Discuss.
Rough Draft thus far
1. moratorium on all foreclosures in the City of Tulsa. The City of Tulsa to divest from all major banks, and corporate money to be removed from politics on all levels. That all banks who have taken TARP funds and State taxes immediately make restitution of those funds or submit to a foreclosure of all spaces and event centers sponsored with their name. That all corporations receiving federal subsidies immediately submit to audit and enforcement of restrictions limiting tax evasion, or submit to repossession by the employees of those companies by laid off and currently employed workers for the benefit of the people.
2. A citywide effort undertaken to solve the underemployment problem in Tulsa, including open talks towards a living a wage and an increased accountability for all employers towards their employees on all socioeconomic levels of employment.
3. That all vacant and distressed land be open for the community use, for gardens, community centers and idea banks to generate solutions to the problems in our government. That the city invest in a serious commitment to rebuilding and revitalizing gentrified and ignored parts of the city through proper allocation of funds and that we increase accountability and transparency in the spending of all federal funds given through stimulus money.
4. That the City A of Tulsa and private sector businesses collaborate together to end the impoverished state of food availability on the North and West sides of the city, and put an end to the food desert continually increasing across our city through neglect on the part of the city administration.
5. All forms of weaponry used by multiple law enforcement officials – including, but not limited, to rubber bullets, pepper spray, verbal abuse, arrest, foam batons, long-range acoustic devices and more – are not to be used on those exercising their First Amendment Rights to petition our government for redress of grievances. We do not accept interference with freedom of the press or the people's press, we assert our rights giving the public freedom to document police actions in public spaces. We will not tolerate brutality or intimidation.
6. We assert our right to an open plaza, Chapman Centennial Green, known to us as Solidarity Square, for people to peacefully assemble, voice grievances, speak freely, hold our General Assembly and come to the people's consensus 24 hours a day as needed, with tents and all the amenities of an occupation without restrictions of insurance, curfew or other targeted forms of discrimination against our group. That each voting district in the city be given a synonymous area where the people may establish an occupation, erect tents and come to the people's consensus 24 hours a day as needed with the same provisions against restriction.
7. The City of Tulsa to pressure the State to start a convention, as provided for in the Constitution, to remove corporate personhood, as is created in the Citizens United legislation, and to remove corporate money from politics at a local, and state as well as national level. That the City of Tulsa disenfranchise from fossil fuel corporations and denounce fracking for what it is, a systematic poisoning of the environment, and a unilateral abuse of those lands without regard to the wildlife, the land or the water supply that belongs to the people of those areas.
8. That the City of Tulsa recognize a need for clean energy alternatives and immediately call for solar and wind energy to fuel public spaces and pronounce requirements towards those same clean energy sources for all major corporations, while working to make technologies affordable in partnership with the people so that they may move towards energy independence and reduce the use of foreign oil in our economy.
9. That the City of Tulsa begin a dialogue towards solutions at the local, State and Federal level on the issues of student debt, tuition hikes, rising food and energy costs as well as the lack of effective public transit. This is a city that requires a more user-friendly transportation infrastructure for those who do not have private transportation.
10. That the city of Tulsa put pressure on the State to begin a discussion towards treating education including higher education as a right, and work to decrease costs to the people for education on all levels through solutions provided by the people, as well as a forum created by all universities across the state of Oklahoma for facilitation of this discussion.
11. That all war-based corporations making weapons in the state of Oklahoma should have their taxes allocated to helping the distressed and impoverished through direct funding for public transit, community centers, and anti-war education.
12. No cutbacks in city services or attacks on the wages, work conditions and pensions of city employees, including but not limited to teachers, police officers, fire fighters, and all other city employees.
13. A repeal of Right to Work legislation which cripples collective bargaining rights, and limits the rights of workers to unite for better pay, working conditions and expression of grievances against employers. That workman's compensation, pension, and death benefits from work related injuries be cemented as rights in the Oklahoma State Constitution over against any legislation that would seek to limit these rights.
Nothing too outrageous though. There are several that are left proposals, but some appear to be Libertarian, some biblical based and the first one fairly conservative. Mostly they appear to be visions of sugarplums from those not yet hardened by the cynicism of middle age. I wish them luck.
I looked to verify the origin and can't find it on the FB page I found.
Repealing Right To Work doesn't fit the ideology, and seems a bit out of place.
And it should have never come to the point where citizens are asking local officials to respect the constitutional guarantee of free speech.
The Bill of Rights isn't local option.
Its stupid for the police to use "less lethal" weapons on demonstrators. This is the US after all and not Egypt.
The more I read about these bozos the less inclined I am to help anyone other than my family any more. What's the point? It's never enough.
This sounds like the people who put bricks in their toilet to conserve water. Of course I could be way off on that. ::)
Quote from: DolfanBob on November 30, 2011, 11:36:19 AM
This sounds like the people who put bricks in their toilet to conserve water. Of course I could be way off on that. ::)
Multiple bricks and then they wonder why it doesn't flush completely.
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Thereby requiring multiple flushes which results in using more water than the original design.
Your title is wrong. You wrongly called these demands.
This was a list of grievances to be discussed at their own Occupy Tulsa General Assembly.
First you attack them saying they can't articulate what they stand for and then you wrongly list a facebook reference as demands.
You are becoming the FOX News of TulsaNow.
Speaking of Fox news... Yesterday I am listening to KRMG (I know better) and they promoted thier upcoming stories at the top of the hour. The top story was Herman Cain was "reassessing" his campaign and the second story was American Airlines filing bankruptcy.
The largest employer in our town filing bankruptcy (news that affects tens of thousands Tulsans (7,000 employees and families and thousands more who work for small businesses that rely on American Airlines as a customer)...and it is second billing to a story about a republican candidate whose polling yesterday was in single digits.
They should be ashamed to call themselves local news.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 30, 2011, 01:00:55 PM
You are becoming the FOX News of TulsaNow.
We should get Mike Rowe on board. It's a dirty job but someone has to do it. ;D
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 30, 2011, 01:00:55 PM
Your title is wrong. You wrongly called these demands.
This was a list of grievances to be discussed at their own Occupy Tulsa General Assembly.
First you attack them saying they can't articulate what they stand for and then you wrongly list a facebook reference as demands.
You are becoming the FOX News of TulsaNow.
Speaking of Fox news... Yesterday I am listening to KRMG (I know better) and they promoted thier upcoming stories at the top of the hour. The top story was Herman Cain was "reassessing" his campaign and the second story was American Airlines filing bankruptcy.
The largest employer in our town filing bankruptcy (news that affects tens of thousands Tulsans (7,000 employees and families and thousands more who work for small businesses that rely on American Airlines as a customer)...and it is second billing to a story about a republican candidate whose polling yesterday was in single digits.
They should be ashamed to call themselves local news.
You might want to go back and re-read some of the whopper thread titles you've created over the years.
I'm fairly meh on KRMG as well, but to their defense, AA was the top story when I tuned in yesterday morning. Cain's announcement came later in the day after everyone had been inundated with the AA story. As well, there really wasn't anything new to the AA story even by dinner time last night, just local bankruptcy attorneys with no ties to the case getting free advertising by spouting off their opinion.
Finally, what about these little bits don't sound like demands?
Quote"We assert our right to an open plaza..."
"That the City of Tulsa disenfranchise from fossil fuel corporations and denounce fracking for what it is, a systematic poisoning of the environment, and a unilateral abuse of those lands without regard to the wildlife, the land or the water supply that belongs to the people of those areas.
8. That the City of Tulsa recognize a need for clean energy alternatives and immediately call for solar and wind energy to fuel public spaces and pronounce requirements towards those same clean energy sources for all major corporations, while working to make technologies affordable in partnership with the people so that they may move towards energy independence and reduce the use of foreign oil in our economy."
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 30, 2011, 01:00:55 PM
Your title is wrong. You wrongly called these demands.
This was a list of grievances to be discussed at their own Occupy Tulsa General Assembly.
First you attack them saying they can't articulate what they stand for and then you wrongly list a facebook reference as demands.
You are becoming the FOX News of TulsaNow.
Speaking of Fox news... Yesterday I am listening to KRMG (I know better) and they promoted thier upcoming stories at the top of the hour. The top story was Herman Cain was "reassessing" his campaign and the second story was American Airlines filing bankruptcy.
The largest employer in our town filing bankruptcy (news that affects tens of thousands Tulsans (7,000 employees and families and thousands more who work for small businesses that rely on American Airlines as a customer)...and it is second billing to a story about a republican candidate whose polling yesterday was in single digits.
They should be ashamed to call themselves local news.
Pot meet kettle....Its Sandy under your skirt.....
Quote from: Conan71 on November 30, 2011, 10:11:24 AM
From the Occupy Tulsa Facebook page (via KRMG):
Of course these people don't have liberal leanings whatsoever. ::) Discuss.
Rough Draft thus far
1. moratorium on all foreclosures in the City of Tulsa. The City of Tulsa to divest from all major banks, and corporate money to be removed from politics on all levels. That all banks who have taken TARP funds and State taxes immediately make restitution of those funds or submit to a foreclosure of all spaces and event centers sponsored with their name. That all corporations receiving federal subsidies immediately submit to audit and enforcement of restrictions limiting tax evasion, or submit to repossession by the employees of those companies by laid off and currently employed workers for the benefit of the people.
a) Stop all forclosures? I don't get it. You sign a document saying we will loan you money for a house, if you don't pay us back we have the right to sell the house to repay the loan. You break your side of the agreement and stop paying, and the other side is just told too bad? If there is something dirty on a mortgage or forclosure isn't done correctly - fine. But otherwise it is government interference in private contract rights for no reason. Furthermore, the City of Tulsa doesn't have this authority AND isn't "invested" in any major banks.
b) I'd be a fan of removing corporate money or AT LEAST making it perfectly transparent.
c) Banks with event centers named after them: BOK & Spirit Bank. Number of those banks that have TARP/bailout funds: 0.
d) Never, but NEVER would a company be subject to seizure by the employees. Take it away from subsizing taxpayers and strip ownership rights because managers made poor decisions? Flat out no.
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2. A citywide effort undertaken to solve the underemployment problem in Tulsa, including open talks towards a living a wage and an increased accountability for all employers towards their employees on all socioeconomic levels of employment.
Sure, sounds great. Doesn't mean much, so lets do it!
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3. That all vacant and distressed land be open for the community use, for gardens, community centers and idea banks to generate solutions to the problems in our government. That the city invest in a serious commitment to rebuilding and revitalizing gentrified and ignored parts of the city through proper allocation of funds and that we increase accountability and transparency in the spending of all federal funds given through stimulus money.
Sure.
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4. That the City A of Tulsa and private sector businesses collaborate together to end the impoverished state of food availability on the North and West sides of the city, and put an end to the food desert continually increasing across our city through neglect on the part of the city administration.
Poor development and poor developmental demands by the population = food deserts. I believe the City worked hard to get food into the North side with reasonable success. Recently new developments have brought food to the West side. As development continues we will continue to get more, or people will choose to live in more urban areas with more access to food stocks.
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5. All forms of weaponry used by multiple law enforcement officials – including, but not limited, to rubber bullets, pepper spray, verbal abuse, arrest, foam batons, long-range acoustic devices and more – are not to be used on those exercising their First Amendment Rights to petition our government for redress of grievances. We do not accept interference with freedom of the press or the people's press, we assert our rights giving the public freedom to document police actions in public spaces. We will not tolerate brutality or intimidation.
Freedom of speech is not an absolute right. Under this guideline I can do as I please and claim it is freedom of speech - when the police lawfully order me to move I can say no and the situation is over. Blocking roads. Disrupting public meetings. Or just viliolating city ordinances. I don't think the TPD handled the Occupy protests too well, but the above is simply not workable.
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6. We assert our right to an open plaza, Chapman Centennial Green, known to us as Solidarity Square, for people to peacefully assemble, voice grievances, speak freely, hold our General Assembly and come to the people's consensus 24 hours a day as needed, with tents and all the amenities of an occupation without restrictions of insurance, curfew or other targeted forms of discrimination against our group. That each voting district in the city be given a synonymous area where the people may establish an occupation, erect tents and come to the people's consensus 24 hours a day as needed with the same provisions against restriction.
Who determines who is a protestor and who is a bum camping in a public park? Who has to provide facilities? Can I simply camp there during Mayfest to be close to the action? Again, this is unworkable.
Redress the ordinance to make it workable to protest 24/7, make the bond smaller, require renting facilities. I like the protestors there, I like people speaking up for what they believe in. I've stopped and talked, I honk when I drive by... but the above isn't a solutation.
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7. The City of Tulsa to pressure the State to start a convention, as provided for in the Constitution, to remove corporate personhood, as is created in the Citizens United legislation, and to remove corporate money from politics at a local, and state as well as national level. That the City of Tulsa disenfranchise from fossil fuel corporations and denounce fracking for what it is, a systematic poisoning of the environment, and a unilateral abuse of those lands without regard to the wildlife, the land or the water supply that belongs to the people of those areas.
Petition for less dependence on fossil fuel is a good thing.
Asking government to look into hydrologic fracking (fracking has always been required) to determine impacts is a good thing. Particularily with regard to the water supply. Hydraulic fracking IS forcing chemicles underground - the impact must be better understood.
But stopping it entirely would cost the State millions in tax revenues, royalty holders millions in revenue, thousands of workers their jobs, and millions of people hundreds in higher utility bills.
I'd be happy with a study and a move towards laws making it easier to hold drilling companies liable for destroyed wells. You used chemical X near this well, this well didn't have problems, now it does... make it right. Clearly if the problem is systematic a ban or some sort of change would be required.
Top prize goes to the person who designs a fracking technique that uses just water, or salt water... non toxic anyway.
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8. That the City of Tulsa recognize a need for clean energy alternatives and immediately call for solar and wind energy to fuel public spaces and pronounce requirements towards those same clean energy sources for all major corporations, while working to make technologies affordable in partnership with the people so that they may move towards energy independence and reduce the use of foreign oil in our economy.
Duplicate as per above, but also contradicotry. Forbidding the most efficient means of extracting domestic energy is not encouraging energy indepependence. Encouraging alternate energy sources is a good idea. Covered above...
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9. That the City of Tulsa begin a dialogue towards solutions at the local, State and Federal level on the issues of student debt, tuition hikes, rising food and energy costs as well as the lack of effective public transit. This is a city that requires a more user-friendly transportation infrastructure for those who do not have private transportation.
Solution to student debt? Let's start with students not borrowing money to party, buy new cars, and live beyond their means. I know PLENTY of people who used student loans on such things. This from someone who went to college for 8 years and has a pile of student debt.
Tuition hikes? This goes hand in hand with the student debt. Making loans HARDER to get will make tuition level out. Most students will max out their student loans - most Universities will raise their rates to absorb all the Federal money available. They go hand in hand. Universities are a government subsidized consumer market - the subsidies are dropping off but the consumers keep buying. And so long as you get your hamburger today and don't have to pay for it tomorrow most 18 year olds don't care. I wish the state would help pay for more education - but that's not happening.
Food and Energy? Food is heavily subsidized and the markets messed with in all sorts of ways. Add food stamps, food banks, WIC, and other programs and more government is not the answer. Energy has been heavily covered above.
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10. That the city of Tulsa put pressure on the State to begin a discussion towards treating education including higher education as a right, and work to decrease costs to the people for education on all levels through solutions provided by the people, as well as a forum created by all universities across the state of Oklahoma for facilitation of this discussion.
I agree that we need better education all around. I have been pleased with my son's educational opportunities (even though he's a, well, he's not doing as well as he should) here. BUt generally our population is under educated.
Higher education should NOT be a right. Sending someone to college who is poor performing or undereducated or simply isnt willing to put forth the effort is a waste of resources and that persons time. Not everyone SHOULD go to college, many people would be better off NOT going to college and learning a trade. Not because they aren't smart enough, but because it is a better economic decision. If education was a right more people would go that really don't care if they were there.
As I see it, college is currently available to anyone who raelly wants it. State schools have very reasonable entrance requirements and Federally subsidized loans cover the cost of State schools... which in many areas do a great job educating people.
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11. That all war-based corporations making weapons in the state of Oklahoma should have their taxes allocated to helping the distressed and impoverished through direct funding for public transit, community centers, and anti-war education.
Who is a war-based corporation? As far as I know, we don't have any companies that produce weapons for the military (other than military installations). Nordam? Mining? Oil and gas? Recyclers? Chemical factories? The airlines? Companies that buy government bonds that fund the war? Tinker suppliers? Suppliers for Enid or Lawton bases? What about real estate companies that own apartments near the bases - are those war based corporations?
What is anti-war education?
And taxes should be correlated to their purpose - transportation doesn't fit?
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12. No cutbacks in city services or attacks on the wages, work conditions and pensions of city employees, including but not limited to teachers, police officers, fire fighters, and all other city employees.
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13. A repeal of Right to Work legislation which cripples collective bargaining rights, and limits the rights of workers to unite for better pay, working conditions and expression of grievances against employers. That workman's compensation, pension, and death benefits from work related injuries be cemented as rights in the Oklahoma State Constitution over against any legislation that would seek to limit these rights.
I thought Oklahoma's right to work law essentially said that a Union can't demand all employees join? Seems like a two way street... if you want to join a union you should be able to. If I don't want to join a union I shouldn't be forced to. Oklahoma probably tacked on some extra stuff to jab the unions, but generally... anyway, odd fit for this discussion.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 30, 2011, 03:41:21 PM
You might want to go back and re-read some of the whopper thread titles you've created over the years.
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=17727.0
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18154.0
For the most part, I don't agree with their list of grievances but they're not all that terrible.
The little part about them being able to use a public plaza, park, etc., they need to learn and respect the rules just like everyone else. Sure they can use the park, from 5am to 11pm. And they should NOT be allowed to erected tents in the park without a permit, because it prevents others from using the space.
The anti-war education sounds like a crapload of propaganda.
And higher education is not, and should never be a right. It's one of those things in life that you have to work for. If you don't like that, start your own college. I don't see it lasting very long when you let everyone who feels like it in , though.
Ultimately, the thing that really drives me crazy about these "Occupy" people, is that they put more energy complaining about all these " injustices" than they do working to fix them. How about they get themselves out of the tents, and work to make something of themselves and the world around them.
A prosperous life is not a right.
I stopped by the downtown shopping after working late, parking near the Occupy folks. When I left there was 25-30 people standing in the mini-amphitheater listening to a guy discuss the occupy movement. He was spirited and enthusiastic, he knew what he wanted to talk about and the crowd was into it.
Seemed like they were having a spirited discussion among themselves. Good for them. Even if I don't agree with them wholeheartedly I'm reassured to see people at least interested in what's going on. Ambivalence is the death of a republic, a partisan 2 party system is bad too but...
Quote from: guido911 on November 30, 2011, 05:47:31 PM
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=17727.0
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18154.0
You missed the one he started on the unsubstantiated rumors about Mary Fallin's alleged affairs.
Why are people defending the occutards in the first place?
Quote from: ZYX on November 30, 2011, 06:23:29 PM
For the most part, I don't agree with their list of grievances but they're not all that terrible.
The little part about them being able to use a public plaza, park, etc., they need to learn and respect the rules just like everyone else. Sure they can use the park, from 5am to 11pm. And they should NOT be allowed to erected tents in the park without a permit, because it prevents others from using the space.
The anti-war education sounds like a crapload of propaganda.
And higher education is not, and should never be a right. It's one of those things in life that you have to work for. If you don't like that, start your own college. I don't see it lasting very long when you let everyone who feels like it in , though.
Ultimately, the thing that really drives me crazy about these "Occupy" people, is that they put more energy complaining about all these " injustices" than they do working to fix them. How about they get themselves out of the tents, and work to make something of themselves and the world around them.
A prosperous life is not a right.
DING...DING...DING!
Birth of a conservative...
Quote from: guido911 on November 30, 2011, 05:47:31 PM
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=17727.0
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18154.0
She does say crazy things and Flynt did seek that information.
I'm still not sure where this list really came from.
Don't get me wrong. I'd rather these guys found another way to make their point. I like our parks.
Where's Virginia Jenner when you need a leader?
Quote from: Conan71 on November 30, 2011, 10:07:08 PM
Birth of a conservative...
Well, the birth of credulousness toward the propaganda of high finance, anyway.
First hint: They are doing something; exercising their First Amendment right to petition the government for redress of grievances. Highlighting bad behavior and a broken system is the first step towards fixing it. And make no mistake, the system is broken. That uber-socialist Obama won't even prosecute the criminal acts of the big banks. Not even for violations of the Servicemember's Civil Relief Act, which I don't think anybody in their right mind (aside from the criminals, anyway) could possibly have a problem with.
Quote from: nathanm on December 01, 2011, 01:17:39 AM
First hint: They are doing something; exercising their First Amendment right to petition the government for redress of grievances.
They are? If so, why are they occupying wall street instead of D.C.? And if they are, I guess this is how they sign a petition.
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Quote from: guido911 on December 02, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
They are? If so, why are they occupying wall street instead of D.C.? And if they are, I guess this is how they sign a petition.
Your fetish is showing.
Quote from: guido911 on December 02, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
They are? If so, why are they occupying wall street instead of D.C.? And if they are, I guess this is how they sign a petition.
That they gather at the figurative scene of the crime does not prevent them from communicating their grievances.
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This morning KRMG reported that Occupy Tulsa no longer recognizes Occupy Tulsa. Two separate groups have emerged. One led by Socialists, Daniel Lee & Stephanie Lewis, and one led by another group who disagrees with the first group. Apparently this all started when donations to the group went missing. I've kept an eye on their discussion forum. A couple of months ago, Lee and Lewis were accused of misusing and not accounting for funds by several members, then before the split, the forum was rebuilt and all accusations of mismanagement by other members was sanitized.
Apparently during that time Lee and Lewis claim to have had their accounts hacked.
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Lee says he started the Occupy Tulsa Facebook page on September 23rd.
It was "hijacked on December 18 at 2:15 a.m."
The pair also claim that a Paypal account, email addresses and the occupytulsa.com website were hacked or attacked about the same time.
They say others in the group were angry with actions they had taken, including trying to shut down illegal activities in which they say members of the group were involved.
There were "fifteen to sixteen people that were using various drugs or drinking and putting us all at risk," Lewis told KRMG.
"We had said no more drinking, no more drugs and the kids didn't like that."
Lee told of a particular incident he found disturbing.
"One of our occupiers, this female, felt threatened because this other guy was highly intoxicated, took off his clothes and started running around the Green," he said, referring to Centennial Green downtown, the site of the occupation. http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/occupy-tulsa-movement-moves-indoors-splits-two/nGGZg/
STRAIGHT OUT OF PYTHON!!
Quote from: Gaspar on January 06, 2012, 07:52:41 AM
"One of our occupiers, this female, felt threatened because this other guy was highly intoxicated, took off his clothes and started running around the Green," he said, referring to Centennial Green downtown, the site of the occupation.[/color] http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/occupy-tulsa-movement-moves-indoors-splits-two/nGGZg/
Saw the same things at tea party events.
edited. And that python vid was spot frakkin on.
Quote from: guido911 on January 06, 2012, 08:35:14 AM
Saw the same things at tea party events.
Yeah but if you turn you fanny-pack around you can get away with it an no one notices.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 06, 2012, 07:52:41 AM
One of our occupiers, this female, felt threatened because this other guy was highly intoxicated, took off his clothes and started running around the Green," he said, referring to Centennial Green downtown, the site of the occupation.
That's nothing unusual out here in the 'burbs. In fact, most Fridays I strip off all my clothes, rub peanut butter in my hair, and run down the street screaming. Now that I think of it,
today is Friday! Gotta go.....
Ironic. Looking at this thread and I have an old Cheech and Chong movie on the tube right now. They both seem to have the same script.
Gas...how come none of the pics match the names in the story?
Ed...Crunchy or Smooth?
Quote from: AquaMan on January 06, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Ironic. Looking at this thread and I have an old Cheech and Chong movie on the tube right now. They both seem to have the same script.
Gas...how come none of the pics match the names in the story?
Ed...Crunchy or Smooth?
That first one is Daniel Lee. The others are the other members that were peppered and booked. I couldn't' find Stephanie's in the mug shot archive.
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Never mind. found her in another archive.
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The group has really racked up some outstanding imagery!
I like the big guy in the dress.
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Quote from: AquaMan on January 06, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Ed...Crunchy or Smooth?
I gotta think he's a crunchy guy, with the added friction and all...
I hope this gets your juices flowing.....I miss Bill!
QuoteThe Rumors About Bill Clinton Are True
http://www.forbes.com/sites/shahgilani/2011/12/06/the-rumors-about-bill-clinton-are-true/
"I think what they're doing is great," he said. "Occupy Wall Street has done more in the short time they've been out there than I've been able to do in more than the last eleven years trying to draw attention to some of the same problems we have to address," he said.
Without once looking around, but completely engaging me, the statesman continued. "There are a lot of young people out there, I see a lot of unemployed students and they are upset, he said. They don't know where the jobs and opportunities are for them, and they are worried about how they're going to pay off their student loans without going broke."
But I learned instantly that Bill Clinton doesn't just acknowledge problems he has solutions at the ready. He went on to say that student loan reforms were absolutely necessary and that limiting annual loan payments to small percentages of income made sense to not impoverish students as they struggle up the ladder in pursuit of the American Dream.
I asked if the Occupy Wall Street movement should have a platform. I was getting into another area he is passionate about, delivering messages on point. "Yes," he said, "But it doesn't have to be a platform; it doesn't have to be twenty pages. They should start with three or four points to generate a political movement to get heard more clearly."
There was more, but as he touched quickly on two other points as to how we got here, he said, "That's in the book." I wasn't being sold on the book; I just had my copy signed. I was being steered to the address of important issues in the book and Mr. Clinton's suggestions for getting back on track to fixing them.
I read the book. It really is excellent. It is stunningly frank and puts some very heated positions and agendas into a perspective that enlightens all those who read it.
So, if all the rumors about Bill Clinton, the good ones and the bad ones too, are true and he can rise above partisanship and cynics like me, to stand for compromise towards a stronger America, we should take his advice and all get Back to Work fixing America.
I'll accept Clinton's sincerity when he starts peeing on people and crapping on cop cars. He's got the sexual assault thing down pat.
Quote from: guido911 on January 06, 2012, 01:58:32 PM
I gotta think he's a crunchy guy, with the added friction and all...
Nope, the chunky stuff is hard to clean out of the drain in the shower...and if I do eat it, there's the whole exquisite pain experience that comes from diverticula. This gettin' old stuff is gettin' old.
Quote from: Ed W on January 06, 2012, 07:09:10 PM
Nope, the chunky stuff is hard to clean out of the drain in the shower...and if I do eat it, there's the whole exquisite pain experience that comes from diverticula. This gettin' old stuff is gettin' old.
Getting old is NOT for wimps! ;D
Funny, you old guys look pretty wimpy. ;D
Quote from: nathanm on January 07, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Funny, you old guys look pretty wimpy. ;D
We can still kick donkey, we just hurt like hell for the next 2 weeks.
Quote from: AquaMan on January 07, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
We can still kick donkey, we just hurt like hell for the next 2 weeks.
Hmm, I may have been lied to about the year I was born then. That already happens to me. >:(
Quote from: nathanm on January 07, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
Hmm, I may have been lied to about the year I was born then. That already happens to me. >:(
That's it - one of the first detectable signs of old age!!!
Congratulations, you are getting there!
Looks like Occupy Tulsa is falling apart
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/occupy-tulsa-movement-moves-indoors-splits-two/nGGZg/ (http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/occupy-tulsa-movement-moves-indoors-splits-two/nGGZg/)
And from the comments on the article by a protester
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Vote (0) Posted by DamianCarpathia at 4:58 p.m. January 6, 2012
I am one of the original arrests and one of the people at the first GA, I have held a job for almost 6 years, I am one month away, exactly, and I am 27 almost 28 again one month away, which means I have held the same job since I was 22.
I personally am sick and tired of explaining this, tell you what, since I'm already occupying a job why don't you occupy an original line, or are you not capable of creating your own thoughts? You poor bastard.
Don't worry Bobbie boy, I haven't forgotten you
(1) We are utilizing the planet's resources?
You really care about the planet? About the shape of the earth and it's welfare? Than why you no protest against BP Oil Spill? Why you only grumble about protesters on internet?
(2) We have already been sprayed in the face with chemicals in cause you had forgotten, I would you had been trolling the interwebz about this for awhile now, in-between drinking and watching porn, correct?
(3) This is not about jealousy, this is about fraud, bank bailouts, the busting of the unions in WS, this is about how workers in china are treated, this is about the prison industrial as well as military industrial complexes and how they are gaining money from the imprisonment and death of people
Now if you want to stand around massaging the wand in your hand, that's fine, but don't bother acting self righteous about it, thanks ever so much
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 08, 2012, 08:54:04 AM
That's it - one of the first detectable signs of old age!!!
Congratulations, you are getting there!
I was hoping the sage wisdom would come first, but I guess not.
Quote from: nathanm on January 08, 2012, 02:39:57 PM
I was hoping the sage wisdom would come first, but I guess not.
3 years, 10 months and 14 days after the appearance of the first symptoms. There is a gestation period. Kind of like the flu...
Quote from: AquaMan on January 07, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
We can still kick donkey, we just hurt like hell for the next 2 weeks.
Got a great fix for that - need a Magic Bullet blender to implement.
1/4 cup Wild Turkey - you could stop here, but the rest is nice add on.
1/4 cup lime juice
1/4 cup lemon juice
1/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup water
8 ice cubes
Put all ingredients into the Magic Bullet. Blend until have a nice frozen frosty cure for the kick donkey aches and pains. Yum!!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 08, 2012, 08:49:40 PM
Got a great fix for that - need a Magic Bullet blender to implement.
1/4 cup Wild Turkey - you could stop here, but the rest is nice add on.
1/4 cup lime juice
1/4 cup lemon juice
1/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup water
8 ice cubes
Put all ingredients into the Magic Bullet. Blend until have a nice frozen frosty cure for the kick donkey aches and pains. Yum!!
Thank you sir. I'll try that after work tomorrow.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 08, 2012, 08:49:40 PM
Got a great fix for that - need a Magic Bullet blender to implement.
I don't have a Magic Bullet (By that name) but do have a Waring Commercial Blender. About 7.5A/120V. It's the same as a Margarita Madness blender but without the graphics. I bought it for my dried hot peppers. The ordinary kitchen variety blender got too hot to touch when chopping up a batch of peppers.
Model HGB140
http://www.waringcommercialproducts.com/catalog.php?pcID=84_95&products_id=303
go to the spec sheet for more accurate numbers. It's a pdf and it had no direct URL to link to.
Not an iPhone4s but..........
Quote from: nathanm on January 08, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
I think Dan Akroyd's SNL "Amazing Bass-O-Matic" is still the classic of blender moments...
There have been two items from the "as seen on TV" category that I have actually tried and found the results to be at least as good, IF NOT BETTER! than advertised. First is the Magic Bullet. One worked so well, we bought a second! The first has now worn out the bearing in the grinder blade base and is slated to be replaced - probably within the next couple weeks. After about 8 years of perfect frozen drinks, smoothies and the occasional salsa. (The second takes up the slack well, and continues in daily use - two years old.) My only complaint would be that the gasket is a pain to take out and clean properly by hand. Gasket out and put in dishwasher.
A Baby Bullet was given to a granddaughter when one of the great grandkids showed up, and while only an experiment, it worked as advertised allowing her to do what they say with baby food preparation. Now the kid is past that, so it has been relegated to smoothies, salsa and frozen margaritas. Very handy thing.
The second item was the magic cloth for cleaning up spills. The Sham Wow! cloth. During the 'new water heater' event mentioned previously elsewhere, there was a container - the drip pan under the old heater - that was full, but not draining properly and very difficult to reach. A large bath towel was enlisted for a few minutes, but then I remembered I had one of those clothes. The magic cloth, even though only about 1/4 the size of the bath towel, was able to pick up 3 to 4 times as much as the towel. Cut the time of painful water bailing by the proportionate amount. Excellent.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 09, 2012, 05:02:50 AM
I think Dan Akroyd's SNL "Amazing Bass-O-Matic" is still the classic of blender moments...
There have been two items from the "as seen on TV" category that I have actually tried and found the results to be at least as good, IF NOT BETTER! than advertised. First is the Magic Bullet. One worked so well, we bought a second!
You must be one of the lucky ones. It appears that the Magic Bullet is a love it or hate it appliance.
http://www.consumersearch.com/as-seen-on-tv/magic-bullet-blender
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 09, 2012, 07:47:38 AM
You must be one of the lucky ones. It appears that the Magic Bullet is a love it or hate it appliance.
http://www.consumersearch.com/as-seen-on-tv/magic-bullet-blender
No surprise. It is small, lightweight and I could see how people would think it's flimsy. I just don't bang it around much, and it keeps on cranking. Just last night, the 8 ice cubes required close to a minute (reference; lightweight - above). It made a magnificent frozen whiskey sour! The last ice cube was diced up by about 40 seconds, but I kept going 'cause it seems to make a better drink if run it to entrain some air. Better texture - flavor is unchanged... At the end, the motor was still cool - didn't feel any heat rise - which may be just the one I have. First one didn't get hot, either, though.
Ya gotta find its limitations. Salsa is one of those things - the stuff we make in the MB is very well chewed up - I like a 'juicy' component to salsa/chile sauce. I use a food processor or dice by hand when I want the coarser texture. Can mix the two and have a fantastic dish. Or if am in a hurry, I just open a can of Rotel tomatoes and mix it with the MB sauce (gives a more "Pace" like consistency).
Almost forgot - it chops up coffee beans very quickly - but noisy! Also makes them too fine a powder for SWMBO's taste. She uses the coffee grinder more than MB.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 09, 2012, 08:21:09 AM
No surprise. It is small, lightweight and I could see how people would think it's flimsy. I just don't bang it around much, and it keeps on cranking. Just last night, the 8 ice cubes required close to a minute (reference; lightweight - above). It made a magnificent frozen whiskey sour! The last ice cube was diced up by about 40 seconds, but I kept going 'cause it seems to make a better drink if run it to entrain some air. Better texture - flavor is unchanged... At the end, the motor was still cool - didn't feel any heat rise - which may be just the one I have. First one didn't get hot, either, though.
Ya gotta find its limitations. Salsa is one of those things - the stuff we make in the MB is very well chewed up - I like a 'juicy' component to salsa/chile sauce. I use a food processor or dice by hand when I want the coarser texture. Can mix the two and have a fantastic dish. Or if am in a hurry, I just open a can of Rotel tomatoes and mix it with the MB sauce (gives a more "Pace" like consistency).
Almost forgot - it chops up coffee beans very quickly - but noisy! Also makes them too fine a powder for SWMBO's taste. She uses the coffee grinder more than MB.
We are on our second Bullet. Love it! Because I grow and blend a lot of spices, peppers, and herbs for cooking, I can't live without it!
First one lasted about 6 years, but they were rough years.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 09, 2012, 08:21:09 AM
Almost forgot - it chops up coffee beans very quickly - but noisy! Also makes them too fine a powder for SWMBO's taste. She uses the coffee grinder more than MB.
My brother is a coffee fanatic. He said to always use a burr type coffee mill rather than whirling blades.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 09, 2012, 09:02:21 AM
My brother is a coffee fanatic. He said to always use a burr type coffee mill rather than whirling blades.
I use whatever they have at Starbucks. I'm supporting the economy by paying other people to grind my coffee.
Burr grinder is the only way to go. The friction of the blades interacting with the beans creates heat which causes a loss of the oil from the beans. The oil is what gives you a great cup of coffee.
I just can't get over the name the Magic Bullet. I feel like its something that would be purchased at Priscilla's...yes my mind is firmly in the gutter. I use an old Oster beehive base with a glass jar. Two speeds and works great.
Another piece of the puzzle that makes the thing so great for us and friends that I forgot to mention.
SWMBO will only drink frozen margaritas. And I don't like them at all - whiskey, rum, anything else is good. Friend likes a non-frozen whiskey concoction. 4th likes wine. So I can make the 3 drinks in individual containers and be done in about 2 minutes if I don't do a lot of talking between times. No need for several large blender containers or compromise of what each one wants.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 09, 2012, 11:32:02 AM
SWMBO will only drink frozen margaritas.
For shame! Buy the lady some good tequila.
Quote from: nathanm on January 09, 2012, 01:55:39 PM
For shame! Buy the lady some good tequila.
I do...but she mixes it anyway.
Well, ok, I admit it...I say I do, but it's still only Cuervo gold. But it's what she likes, so....SWMBO!
How did this devolve into a discussion on margaritas without Marshall's being mentioned first?
Quote from: Conan71 on January 09, 2012, 02:31:27 PM
How did this devolve into a discussion on margaritas without Marshall's being mentioned first?
Marshall's who??
LOL! I knew that would create an instant look and moment of incredulity!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 09, 2012, 02:28:56 PM
Well, ok, I admit it...I say I do, but it's still only Cuervo gold. But it's what she likes, so....SWMBO!
Ok, here's where you man up, open up the wallet, and play dumb. Buy the 1800 and say you got confused because they both say "Cuervo". And throw out the Cuervo Gold. It's not fit to drink for man or beast. I would give a person a week old warm Bud Light before I'd give them that particular "tequila" and feel good about myself for saving them the gastrointestinal trouble.
</snob>
I've been drinking more rum & Coke than margaritas lately, though. At about $13 a liter for the fancy stuff (if you don't count the plane ticket!), rum is much more affordable than good tequila. Coke is also cheaper than OJ or any decent orange liqueur.
Quote from: nathanm on January 09, 2012, 02:43:00 PM
Ok, here's where you man up, open up the wallet, and play dumb. Buy the 1800 and say you got confused because they both say "Cuervo". And throw out the Cuervo Gold. It's not fit to drink for man or beast. I would give a person a week old warm Bud Light before I'd give them that particular "tequila" and feel good about myself for saving them the gastrointestinal trouble.
</snob>
I've been drinking more rum & Coke than margaritas lately, though. At about $13 a liter for the fancy stuff (if you don't count the plane ticket!), rum is much more affordable than good tequila. Coke is also cheaper than OJ or any decent orange liqueur.
Had a girlfriend up in St. Louis who turned me on to the good tequila. I agree with you. Cuervo Gold is just plain nasty. Side by side, you can't tell the difference between Cuervo Gold and Two Fingers (the tequila or actually sticking two fingers down your throat).
To tell the truth, I can't tell the difference between any tequila when it is in a mix like that.
We went to Compadre's over the weekend and it was impressive. Haven't been there in a few years, and while the general impression I remember was favorable, I was pleasantly surprised. Was expecting El Chico or Taco Bell and got much more. And SWMBO had the margarita and got looped!! That impressed me almost more than the food! (She NEVER gets a buzz from restaurant drinks, 'cause they are usually worthless overpriced watered down crap. And yes, I will name names if asked.)
And it cost $3.75!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 09, 2012, 04:07:56 PM
(She NEVER gets a buzz from restaurant drinks, 'cause they are usually worthless overpriced watered down crap. And yes, I will name names if asked.)
Have a seat at the bar and make friends with the bartender.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 09, 2012, 04:07:56 PM
To tell the truth, I can't tell the difference between any tequila when it is in a mix like that.
We went to Compadre's over the weekend and it was impressive. Haven't been there in a few years, and while the general impression I remember was favorable, I was pleasantly surprised. Was expecting El Chico or Taco Bell and got much more. And SWMBO had the margarita and got looped!! That impressed me almost more than the food! (She NEVER gets a buzz from restaurant drinks, 'cause they are usually worthless overpriced watered down crap. And yes, I will name names if asked.)
And it cost $3.75!
If you are using pre-made mix, the sugar content is so high, you likely can't tell the difference in the tequila.
Here's a recipe that works amazingly well for me:
Equal parts tequila (I prefer white pure agave for margaritas, resposado for the celebratory shot) and fresh lime juice (prefer fresh squeezed)
1/2 part Triple Sec
Agave nectar to the sweetness you prefer or Jumex Guanabana, Mango, or Guava nectar.
This will generally make enough for four drinks:
4oz tequila
4oz fresh lime juice
2oz Triple Sec (or really any orange liqueur will work, try cointreau!)
Tablespoon agave nectar or about 4 oz. of one of the Jumex nectars.
I never serve in shaved ice, I prefer to use a shaker and serve them in martini glasses.
If you want a real treat, put it all in a blender with about 1/2 to a whole jalapeño but no ice!
I hate to have anything mixed with my alcohol. Sometimes just an ice cube or two.
You guys are reminding me of weekend trips to Mexico for tequila and shrimp.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 09, 2012, 04:25:42 PM
I hate to have anything mixed with my alcohol. Sometimes just an ice cube or two.
This is also my preference, but I will make an exception for lime juice. A good margarita needs five things, though: Tequila, Triple Sec (preferably not generic crap), lime juice, ice, and salt on the rim.
Mixing alcohols can be OK, of course. A client of mine forced some drink down my gullet over the holidays. It was Crown and Disaronno, of all things. I was about as surprised as the first time I tried a Jaeger bomb, which is the only way I find either Jaegermeister or Red Bull even remotely tolerable. (not much of an IT guy, hating on the Red Bull like that)
Quote from: Conan71 on January 09, 2012, 04:15:03 PM
If you are using pre-made mix, the sugar content is so high, you likely can't tell the difference in the tequila.
Here's a recipe that works amazingly well for me:
Equal parts tequila (I prefer white pure agave for margaritas, resposado for the celebratory shot) and fresh lime juice (prefer fresh squeezed)
1/2 part Triple Sec
Agave nectar to the sweetness you prefer or Jumex Guanabana, Mango, or Guava nectar.
This will generally make enough for four drinks:
4oz tequila
4oz fresh lime juice
2oz Triple Sec (or really any orange liqueur will work, try cointreau!)
Tablespoon agave nectar or about 4 oz. of one of the Jumex nectars.
I never serve in shaved ice, I prefer to use a shaker and serve them in martini glasses.
If you want a real treat, put it all in a blender with about 1/2 to a whole jalapeño but no ice!
Thanks! Will try it on her and see if she can tell a difference. For me, the more it tastes like rubbing alcohol, the better it is said to be by all the margarita drinkers around. I guess I just overdid tequila way too much during my misspent youth. I can remember really liking it straight. Glass, bottle, bucket, any way possible....
If anyone would like a taste of decent tequila or rum, just ask. I'm always glad to turn people into liquor snobs. ;) You gotta mix your own margaritas, though, as I've basically forgotten how at this point.
FWIW, the best aged tequila tastes more like (but better than) whiskey than rubbing alcohol. I've gotten cheap, though, and don't usually spend the extra money on reposado or anejo these days. Silver is good enough if you're buying the good stuff. Sauza Hornitos is good for margaritas, as it's only $22ish a bottle, but is 100% agave, which is the key to not feeling like crap the next day. Cuervo 1800 is also good, especially given the name, but somewhat wasted on a mixed drink, as it's a pretty decent sipping tequila. Not as good as Herradura or Patron, though. (Patron can vary, however, since they don't actually make their own tequila, they just bottle whatever is good that week)