http://www.newson6.com/story/14757331/shooting-standoff-shuts-down-major-tulsa-intersection
I think it's over now, but one person died.. this just happened.
Many different versions floating around....
That is really something- Carjackings are one reason why drivers need to be armed. Very tragic and sad.
Or, you know, have a little sense and not give lip to the guy with a gun.
Quote from: nathanm on May 31, 2011, 03:00:07 PM
Or, you know, have a little sense and not give lip to the guy with a gun.
You don't have to resist or mouth off to be shot by a desperate person.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 31, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
You don't have to resist or mouth off to be shot by a desperate person.
Absolute truth.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 31, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
You don't have to resist or mouth off to be shot by a desperate person.
For sure, but it makes it that much less likely. Besides, once you have the gun in your face, trying to reach for your own is only going to result in your being shot. All you can do at that point is comply and/or hope that someone else nearby has a gun and is willing to use it.
"fate is a lonely hunter..."
Quote from: nathanm on May 31, 2011, 03:14:31 PM
For sure, but it makes it that much less likely. Besides, once you have the gun in your face, trying to reach for your own is only going to result in your being shot. All you can do at that point is comply and/or hope that someone else nearby has a gun and is willing to use it.
The guy in the Panda Express drive through could have been just as unfortunate even though he apparently didn't resist. Your odds are still better if you have the ability to protect yourself. It's not going to work out for every person every time but at least you are on a level playing field.
It looks as if they handcuffed the dead perp when they pulled his arms out of the window of the truck. Anyone else see that?
"Police used their armored car and shields to approach the truck and confirmed the gunman was dead. It's not clear yet how he died."
Those bullet holes in the rear window
might provide a clue ::)
I had to run by the house not long after they had blocked Yale off, there were police cars about as far as the eye could see.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 31, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
It looks as if they handcuffed the dead perp when they pulled his arms out of the window of the truck. Anyone else see that?
"Police used their armored car and shields to approach the truck and confirmed the gunman was dead. It's not clear yet how he died."
Those bullet holes in the rear window might provide a clue ::)
Why Conan, is that a distrust of cops I'm reading? ;)
Mayo Meadow, that's Michael Bates' neighborhood. Hardly riff-raff, but seems to be slowly declining.
They once thought mid-block streetlights were the answer, though.
Im hearing KOTV streamed SWATs fatal volley on the pickup truck live on the internet, is that so?
It probably shocked them as much as it did their viewers.
Quote from: patric on May 31, 2011, 11:06:41 PM
Why Conan, is that a distrust of cops I'm reading? ;)
Mayo Meadow, that's Michael Bates' neighborhood. Hardly riff-raff, but seems to be slowly declining.
They once thought mid-block streetlights were the answer, though.
Im hearing KOTV streamed SWATs fatal volley on the pickup truck live on the internet, is that so?
It probably shocked them as much as it did their viewers.
This one from 2007 here was live on tv, although it wasn't a shooting by the cops, it was pretty graphic.
QuoteSgt. Walker tells FOX23, two men approached a third man at his land in Prue, one stole a white GMC Safari van, driving off, while the other man abducted the victim, forcing him into his white Ford pick-up at gunpoint.
The gunman then drove to the victim's Tulsa home, in the 2200 block of S. Oswego Place. Sgt. Walker says around 12:30pm, the first shots were fired at that house. The gunman then forced the victim back into the truck and drove from the house on Oswego Place to a Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market at 21st & Yale.
Here's where the story starts to fail to make any sense:
QuotePolice say both the gunman and the victim then entered that Wal-Mart, and the gunman fired several shots inside the store, according to witnesses.
Police say the first victim fled the Wal-Mart on foot, unharmed.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Two-Killed-In-Shooting-Crime-Spree/AHhA2phmyUy_MTcIe5OZBA.cspx
The
Whirled's version is just as confusing, sounding like a pursuit that got out of control:
QuoteWhen officers got there, they saw a suspect walking to the door with something in his hand. Once he got to the door, he put a gun to a man's head and held him hostage, initial reports indicate.
Officers tried to intervene as the gunman and hostage got into a vehicle and started driving toward Yale Avenue. Witnesses said that as gunman drove, he fired shots at police, according to Ashley.
The man then pulled into the Walmart Neighborhood Market at 21st Street and Yale Avenue and went inside. Witnesses reported seeing a gunman firing shots in the store.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/specialprojects/news/crimewatch/article.aspx?subjectid=450&articleid=20110531_450_0_Tulsap37709
Quote from: dbacks fan on May 31, 2011, 11:22:21 PM
This one from 2007 here was live on tv, although it wasn't a shooting by the cops, it was pretty graphic.
A meaningless post along with a bunch of meaningless reporting.....what's being storied up and why? Hopefully by daybreak, we can get something that makes sense.
Of course, random violence never makes sense.
Quote from: nathanm on May 31, 2011, 03:00:07 PM
Or, you know, have a little sense and not give lip to the guy with a gun.
The carjacking victim was a Chinese student studying Electrical Engineering at the University of Tulsa.
Probably didn't even know what was going on when this thug shot him.
I'm surprised the police let this situation get so out of hand, when they originally pulled up on this perp committing a crime at a residence.
They should train more with their firearms, and less with their radar guns.
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Quote from: Hawkins on June 01, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
The carjacking victim was a Chinese student studying Electrical Engineering at the University of Tulsa.
Probably didn't even know what was going on when this thug shot him.
I'm surprised the police let this situation get so out of hand, when they originally pulled up on this perp committing a crime at a residence.
They should train more with their firearms, and less with their radar guns.
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OYE!
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Anyone heard about the female bank robber today that was on her cell phone. And stated she was kidnapped and there was a bomb in her phone and the man would blow it up if they didnt give her the money ?
Pretty clever, much better than a note.
Quote from: DolfanBob on June 01, 2011, 02:51:48 PM
Anyone heard about the female bank robber today that was on her cell phone. And stated she was kidnapped and there was a bomb in her phone and the man would blow it up if they didnt give her the money ?
Pretty clever, much better than a note.
Saw that. Why would she wear the hat and dark sunglasses? You'd think she'd want to be recognized as quickly as possible.
Quote from: Townsend on June 01, 2011, 02:56:01 PM
Saw that. Why would she wear the hat and dark sunglasses? You'd think she'd want to be recognized as quickly as possible.
Good one. She also runs like Carl Lewis.
The Police think this was one of the two guys that had committed several robberies by impersonating police officers. Good he is off the streets (permanently) but his buddy in the white van is still on the loose. Sucks someone was killed during that craziness yesterday.
About 100 guns were recovered from a house in north Tulsa, and turned over to the Osage County Sheriff.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Cache-Of-Guns-Found-From-Shooting-Spree/4laBpMeb6keYT-lzXK6CKg.cspx
The story now is the shooter wasnt able to get his medication after being released from prison.
"the story"....TPD and their "stories".....
Quote from: patric on June 02, 2011, 12:24:03 AM
About 100 guns were recovered from a house in north Tulsa, and turned over to the Osage County Sheriff.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Cache-Of-Guns-Found-From-Shooting-Spree/4laBpMeb6keYT-lzXK6CKg.cspx
The story now is the shooter wasnt able to get his medication after being released from prison.
Yeah, and someone probably yelled at him when he was a child.
Quotebut mom and sister both say the State of Oklahoma should have done more to help Hamons get back on his medications when he got out of prison back in September.
"I think it all could have been avoided," Hurst said. "Nobody would have [gotten] killed, you know. I mean, yeah, he might have made another mistake and went back to prison, but nobody would have [gotten] killed."
While she says she feels terrible for all that her son did, she says something needs to change in the prison system to help guys like Billy adjust to life on the outside.
Call David Garrett, he'll know what to do!
Quote from: Conan71 on June 02, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
Yeah, and someone probably yelled at him when he was a child.
Call David Garrett, he'll know what to do!
Well if he was abused as a child, You might not want to call "The heavy hitter"
Plus. Does Dave have the most rockin 70s perm ever ?
Slightly off topic, where did Abbie Alford get her journalism degree from? Reading that article made my head hurt from the mistakes in it. I know I'm not the best but, that story needs help.
Quote from: dbacks fan on June 02, 2011, 09:48:05 AM
Slightly off topic, where did Abbie Alford get her journalism degree from? Reading that article made my head hurt from the mistakes in it. I know I'm not the best but, that story needs help.
D-man you aint lyin. I just read that and had to laugh. Spot on bud.
Quote from: DolfanBob on June 02, 2011, 10:56:42 AM
D-man you aint lyin. I just read that and had to laugh. Spot on bud.
and she even defended herself on it in the comments
What really got me (just as I figured) as the story unfolded- was the gunman had a long, long record- How did he get out of prison so soon for his other felonies? He had all those past felonies and was released from prison- the gunman was only 31 years old and had a felony criminal record up to the moon and there he was back on the street. Pardons, Parole boards, concurrent sentences, plea bargans, and weak bleeding heart liberal judges are all to blame. If he had still been in prison none of this would of happened. There is still that white Astro Van on the loose. I wonder when that guy got out of prison and how long his criminal record is. We need to keep the violent people like that locked up.
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 02, 2011, 02:03:33 PM
What really got me (just as I figured) as the story unfolded- was the gunman had a long, long record- How did he get out of prison so soon for his other felonies? He had all those past felonies and was released from prison- the gunman was only 31 years old and had a felony criminal record up to the moon and there he was back on the street. Pardons, Parole boards, concurrent sentences, plea bargans, and weak bleeding heart liberal judges are all to blame. If he had still been in prison none of this would of happened. There is still that white Astro Van on the loose. I wonder when that guy got out of prison and how long his criminal record is. We need to keep the violent people like that locked up.
I know the walls were softer but how'd you get out?
Quote from: Conan71 on June 02, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
Yeah, and someone probably yelled at him when he was a child.
Call David Garrett, he'll know what to do!
"I blame society...."
http://youtu.be/MKIaS0lh-uo
Quote from: dbacks fan on June 02, 2011, 09:48:05 AM
Slightly off topic, where did Abbie Alford get her journalism degree from? Reading that article made my head hurt from the mistakes in it. I know I'm not the best but, that story needs help.
Doesn't matter if she can report/write...it is what she looks like.
Quote from: dbacks fan on June 02, 2011, 09:48:05 AM
Slightly off topic, where did Abbie Alford get her journalism degree from? Reading that article made my head hurt from the mistakes in it. I know I'm not the best but, that story needs help.
That's what happens when you mouth press releases and call it reporting. She needs to learn to use more than one source, especially when that one source is government.
For what little it's worth, meds can make all the difference to a person who is truly mentally ill.
In rare cases, the lack of mental health care might even excuse some seemingly heinous crimes.Emphasis on the rare.
Quote from: nathanm on June 08, 2011, 11:23:59 PM
For what little it's worth, meds can make all the difference to a person who is truly mentally ill.
In rare cases, the lack of mental health care might even excuse some seemingly heinous crimes.Emphasis on the rare.
The community might be better off as a whole if we had a more realistic attitude towards the mentally ill, than what I read in the comments section of various news websites.
You would think people want to roll in the shooter's blood.