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Not At My Table - Political Discussions => National & International Politics => Topic started by: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 12:25:22 PM

Title: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 12:25:22 PM
Doesn't matter what party you belong to, this should scare the crap out of you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvlvejSxBVQ&feature=player_embedded#at=38
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Gaspar on March 23, 2011, 12:31:38 PM
Yea, that's the president of the SEIU, Andy Stern. This is not new news.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 12:33:03 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on March 23, 2011, 12:31:38 PM
Yea, that's the president of the SEIU, Andy Stern. This is not new news.

No, it's not. It is Steve Lerner. This was taped 4 days ago, March 19, 2011.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
Can you summarize for those of us that can't watch youtube at work?
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: guido911 on March 23, 2011, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 12:33:03 PM
No, it's not. It is Steve Lerner. This was taped 4 days ago, March 19, 2011.

I saw this yesterday and was unsure if it was 100% legit. Just another example of a dooshbag union guy.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: guido911 on March 23, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
Can you summarize for those of us that can't watch youtube at work?

Here's an article I found at Hot Air.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/03/22/didnt-fdr-execute-a-few-people-for-doing-what-this-ex-seiu-official-is-caught-on-tape-espousing/
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
Can you summarize for those of us that can't watch youtube at work?

Its a plan to take down wall street and the financial markets to create massive disruption. They plan to start in May on JP Morgan in NY.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Townsend on March 23, 2011, 01:00:58 PM
Wow, no wonder you guys post the way you do.

You guys really believe the folks left of center are out to kill your families and destroy the world.

Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Conan71 on March 23, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: Townsend on March 23, 2011, 01:00:58 PM
Wow, no wonder you guys post the way you do.

You guys really believe the folks left of center are out to kill your families and destroy the world.



They aren't?
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: Townsend on March 23, 2011, 01:00:58 PM
Wow, no wonder you guys post the way you do.

You guys really believe the folks left of center are out to kill your families and destroy the world.



You know something?  I became MUCH more politically active after I had that realization . . . that a good chunk of the folks right of center think that my (relatively benign) politics are an active threat to all the things they love.  

IMHO, not the healthiest ground in which to sow a democracy.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Gaspar on March 23, 2011, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 12:33:03 PM
No, it's not. It is Steve Lerner. This was taped 4 days ago, March 19, 2011.

That's right, I get those two mixed up.  Similar politics I guess.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: Townsend on March 23, 2011, 01:00:58 PM
Wow, no wonder you guys post the way you do.

You guys really believe the folks left of center are out to kill your families and destroy the world.

Never said he was out to kill my family or destroy the world. He IS planning a takedown of the financial system here in the US though starting with the company they consider to be highest on the list, JP Morgan. This doesn't concern you?
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 01:21:27 PM
This doesn't concern you?

You believe this is in any way, shape, or form possible?
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Gaspar on March 23, 2011, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 01:22:42 PM
You believe this is in any way, shape, or form possible?

+1

Again, this is old news.  The unions no longer have the power to push any such strategy. 
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 01:22:42 PM
You believe this is in any way, shape, or form possible?

I never rule out what is possible or not anymore. All I am saying is if there is a movement or a plan to try to make this a reality then it should be cause for concern.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 01:28:07 PM
I never rule out what is possible or not anymore. All I am saying is if there is a movement or a plan to try to make this a reality then it should be cause for concern.

I don't have any inside information, you understand, but I don't think you have much to fear from this plot. 

Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Townsend on March 23, 2011, 01:58:55 PM
Quote from: TulsaMoon on March 23, 2011, 01:28:07 PM
I never rule out what is possible or not anymore. All I am saying is if there is a movement or a plan to try to make this a reality then it should be cause for concern.

There are thousands of plots/movements to do harm to lots of things.

These "scare them silly" whipped up youtube videos just bait people that will fall for it.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: dbacks fan on March 23, 2011, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Townsend on March 23, 2011, 01:58:55 PM
There are thousands of plots/movements to do harm to lots of things.

These "scare them silly" whipped up youtube videos just bait people that will fall for it.


You mean Alex Jones uses "scare them silly" tactics?  I'm shocked!   ::)
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Teatownclown on March 23, 2011, 02:12:42 PM
Man, all the flies are hurling themselves onto this thread. >:(
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Conan71 on March 23, 2011, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 01:22:42 PM
You believe this is in any way, shape, or form possible?

Who would have figured an entire meltdown of the world financial markets as a result of the manipulation of it by the hands of a very few.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on March 23, 2011, 02:12:57 PM


Who would have figured an entire meltdown of the world financial markets as a result of the manipulation of it by the hands of a very few.

More believable if they have access to the power to make it happen.  And actually more believable because relatively few people have to act in concert.  What I gather's being suggested requires such an amazing (and unrealistic) amount of coordination between millions of people . . . it's kind of mind boggling that people think it's feasible.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 23, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
All of these reactionary plans are bad for us - by us I mean people who can afford to be here, which cuts out the very poorest and with the exception of the top 1%.  This is a reactionary plan in reaction to the massive redistribution of wealth we have experienced in the last 30 years or so.

Unions are down now.  That's ok.  They probably will come back as people start to get squeezed harder by that redistribution of wealth.  That will be ok, too.

Unfortunately, the cycle of concentration of wealth appears to cause a major meltdown periodically - there have been several people write about this in the past - and then the rich stay rich, just not quite as rich.  But resources free up and the economy starts up again with a more even distribution pattern than what we see today.

The drumbeat that we hear so loudly from the RWRE is that the rich are entitled to pay dramatically less in taxes proportionately than the rest of us because they are "special".  Well, as people start to realize what that really means (including the elimination of the middle class - not promotion; elimination), the pendulum will swing and equalization will occur.  Elected officials will always be corrupt, but if they don't remove the special consideration from the rich, people will elect another and another until there are ones that do.

You DO have more to fear from JP Morgan and AIG than you do from this guy.



Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Red Arrow on March 23, 2011, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on March 23, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
All of these reactionary plans are bad for us - by us I mean people who can afford to be here, which cuts out the very poorest and with the exception of the top 1%.  This is a reactionary plan in reaction to the massive redistribution of wealth we have experienced in the last 30 years or so.
Unions are down now.  That's ok.  They probably will come back as people start to get squeezed harder by that redistribution of wealth.  That will be ok, too.
Unfortunately, the cycle of concentration of wealth appears to cause a major meltdown periodically - there have been several people write about this in the past - and then the rich stay rich, just not quite as rich.  But resources free up and the economy starts up again with a more even distribution pattern than what we see today.
The drumbeat that we hear so loudly from the RWRE is that the rich are entitled to pay dramatically less in taxes proportionately than the rest of us because they are "special".  Well, as people start to realize what that really means (including the elimination of the middle class - not promotion; elimination), the pendulum will swing and equalization will occur.  Elected officials will always be corrupt, but if they don't remove the special consideration from the rich, people will elect another and another until there are ones that do.
You DO have more to fear from JP Morgan and AIG than you do from this guy.

You're slipping or having a senior moment.  You forgot to mention Murdoch.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: guido911 on March 23, 2011, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 23, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
More believable if they have access to the power to make it happen.  And actually more believable because relatively few people have to act in concert.  What I gather's being suggested requires such an amazing (and unrealistic) amount of coordination between millions of people . . . it's kind of mind boggling that people think it's feasible.

I do not think this is about whether crashing the financial system is "feasible", so much as it actually being contemplated/advocated by a former union higher up. In other words, its more about the source (a person who is part of Obama's base) than the actual message.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 23, 2011, 07:06:33 PM
If one hasn't figured that one out yet, one never will.

But Murdoch is more a political threat, while this is about a possible financial threat.

Besides, am waiting for a little while until there is a whole new bunch of people signed up who just don't realize what Murdoch is.  There may be some amongst them that can learn - especially if they aren't already at that 1% rich level, like all you guys.





Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: guido911 on March 23, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on March 23, 2011, 07:06:33 PM
If one hasn't figured that one out yet, one never will.

But Murdoch is more a political threat, while this is about a possible financial threat.

Besides, am waiting for a little while until there is a whole new bunch of people signed up who just don't realize what Murdoch is.  There may be some amongst them that can learn - especially if they aren't already at that 1% rich level, like all you guys.







The source of the above post has been located:

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Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 23, 2011, 07:21:01 PM
And that from the lead 1%'er!

When at a loss for intelligible words, find an insult.  Actually, I think that is pretty funny, so I guess it really can't be considered an insult if I enjoyed it, huh?

And that would give a hell of a hit!!  I got some stainless steel sheet metal.  I may have to start fabricating!!



Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 24, 2011, 09:35:07 AM
Quote from: guido911 on March 23, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
Here's an article I found at Hot Air.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/03/22/didnt-fdr-execute-a-few-people-for-doing-what-this-ex-seiu-official-is-caught-on-tape-espousing/

"The Left's Goal: to Destabilize the United States Financial System"

How will they go about this?  Vote Republican?  They seemed to have a much more efficient strategy than to try to talk people into not paying their mortgages at a bank.  They got it to where people didn't have a choice not to pay their mortgages.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: guido911 on March 29, 2011, 04:56:11 PM
Then there is this out of the mouth of Chuck Schumer:

QuoteHe told the group to make sure they label the GOP spending cuts as "extreme."

"I always use extreme, Schumer said. "That is what the caucus instructed me to use."

Someone must have finally told Schumer that the media were listening and he stopped talking midsentence.


Here's a bit more of what he said about House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, according to my notes.

"The main thrust is basically that we want to negotiate and we want to come up with a compromise but the Tea Party is pulling Boehner too far over to the right and so far over that there is no more fruitful negotiations," Schumer said on the call. "The only way we can avoid a shutdown is for Boehner to come up with a reasonable compromise and not just listen to what the Tea Party wants. "

Schumer described Boehner as "in a box," over the budget negotiations.

The four senators came on the call after Schumer abruptly went silent and followed Schumer's script closely.

Coordinating the message is common in both parties, but it's uncommon for reporters to actually hear them rehearsing.

[Emphasis added].
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/03/schumer-coordinates-dem-budget-attack-gop

Buffoon alert.

Here's another take from allahpundit, the title of the post is what I found funny.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/29/chuck-schumer-accidentally-admits-yes-ive-been-robotically-programmed-to-call-republicans-extremists/
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: Conan71 on March 29, 2011, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: guido911 on March 29, 2011, 04:56:11 PM
Then there is this out of the mouth of Chuck Schumer:

[Emphasis added].
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/03/schumer-coordinates-dem-budget-attack-gop

Buffoon alert.

Here's another take from allahpundit, the title of the post is what I found funny.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/29/chuck-schumer-accidentally-admits-yes-ive-been-robotically-programmed-to-call-republicans-extremists/

Schumer has just been taken out of context, that's all.
Title: Re: This should be an eye opener.
Post by: nathanm on March 29, 2011, 10:25:54 PM
Pretty rich, coming from the small tent party.