My office at 14th & Boston will be back open tomorrow. Has anyone been in that area today? Have the roads been cleared? How's Boston? The 23rd street bridge?
I'm interested too. I work at 14th and Denver.
I talked to the building manager today and he has the parking lot somewhat cleared he said. So I'm heading in tomorrow too.
I'm coming from Owasso. How are 169 and 244?
Creek Turnpike between Memorial and Jenks?
Roads from the turnpike to the airport (Riverside)?
I'm hoping we are going to be open tomorrow as well. I made a quick circle around the general area once I got the car unburied, and the roads are at least passable. Would like to know about Downtown though.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 02, 2011, 06:16:39 PM
Creek Turnpike between Memorial and Jenks?
Roads from the turnpike to the airport (Riverside)?
Planning on flying away from disaster? ;)
And it seems that as the hours go by, I get volunteered to take more and more folks to work tomorrow. :P
Quote from: nathanm on February 02, 2011, 06:37:23 PM
Planning on flying away from disaster? ;)
Yes. Flying tomorrow night to Vegas for the Super Bowl.
Get me out of this freezer.
My cousin just flew in from a ski trip in tahoe. She took pictures of the runway as they were landing, nothing but snow. That would be scary.
BTW, 11th street west of Harvard is well plowed now. You're driving on snowpack, not asphalt but there are no big mounds of snow waiting for you. Keep your momentum up and you should be fine. I saw a couple of folks out in 2wd and they seemed able to get around, just with extreme difficulty in getting moving. Also, there was a semi blocking Delaware just north of 11th. It looked like he was trying to make a left and failed miserably.
I didn't even have to turn off traction control today..
I may be heading out again in a couple of hours. If so, I'll try and get downtown and see how it's looking.
Quote from: nathanm on February 02, 2011, 06:37:23 PM
Planning on flying away from disaster? ;)
Not a bad idea but I'd have to dig the snow from the hangar to the taxiways. I've had enough digging for a few days.
Quote from: custosnox on February 02, 2011, 07:20:32 PM
My cousin just flew in from a ski trip in tahoe. She took pictures of the runway as they were landing, nothing but snow. That would be scary.
Why? Just because you have to stop from 150 mph in only 2 miles?
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 02, 2011, 08:04:29 PM
Why? Just because you have to stop from 150 mph in only 2 miles?
That's when you hope the thrust reversers are working. And that you don't leave them on too long and end up going backwards. ;)
Quote from: nathanm on February 02, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
That's when you hope the thrust reversers are working. And that you don't leave them on too long and end up going backwards. ;)
It's all fun and games until the 747 hits black ice and spins wildly out of control
Quote from: custosnox on February 02, 2011, 09:38:43 PM
It's all fun and games until the 747 hits black ice and spins wildly out of control
That's why you don't use the brakes. ;)
Some of the newer biz-jets don't have thrust reversers. I got this from my biz-jet friend so I don't have a make and model on hand. I believe all the modern jets will have anti-skid systems.
I just got downtown. I had no problems taking 11th Street yesterday, nor did I have any problems on 15th today; the neighborhoods are still a little iffy. I took 15th & up Boston (14th and Boston was fine), then over to 10th and up Elgin to the Sun Building.
I did get stuck at 6th and Frankfort yesterday, but I was able to rock my vehicle out of that by shifting between 1st gear and reverse. They've probably plowed that by now, but be careful anyway.
Good to hear! Thanks!! :)
There are several abandoned FWD cars on 11th that were not there last night, and it's literally 3 degrees where I'm presently sitting. It's really not advisable to get out if you don't absolutely have to.
If you do go out, dress warmly and take a snow shovel.
Argh! Woke up this morning to no running water. Freaked out because I took ALL necessary precautions. Called the CoT. Water main break. I wish they would inform their customers of this, especially on a morning like this. Wow. City of Tulsa FAIL.
Quote from: Hoss on February 03, 2011, 08:40:35 AM
Argh! Woke up this morning to no running water. Freaked out because I took ALL necessary precautions. Called the CoT. Water main break. I wish they would inform their customers of this, especially on a morning like this. Wow. City of Tulsa FAIL.
Heh, I was just going to say "job well done, assuming you continue to do the job." They've done quite a lot of plowing, including a few streets in my neighborhood. I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad that didn't include the street my driveway is on..
So I've been out some more and have more updates. 169 is still almost 100% covered in snow, but it's been plowed and packed and the main problem is stupid drivers not grasping the concept of "lanes" when they can't see the markings. I'm fine if they don't feel comfortable driving more than 20mph. I'm not fine with them somehow blocking the entire road while doing so. Also annoyingly, the cleared area is fully three lanes wide, but people are using it as two at best.
The BA is in a similar situation.
244 has at least one lane, and sometimes two fully clear from 169 west to at least Harvard, but you have to watch out for abandoned cars. There's one between Sheridan and Yale that's been buried in the snow, but there's another one sitting in the middle of the rightmost plowed lane between Yale and Harvard.
The westbound Harvard exit from 244 has a semi mostly blocking the exit, but there's a track around it. I wouldn't take it if you don't have ground clearance, as it hasn't been plowed.
The major surface streets are reasonably passable if you know how to drive your car in slick conditions. If you're not comfortable with dealing with oversteer and/or understeer, don't venture out yet. I didn't have to engage 4wd at all once I got out of my neighborhood this time around.
How long are those abandoned cars allowed to sit there blocking the roads before they get impounded?
One more pro tip: Don't talk on your cellphone while trying to navigate the snow and ice. Especially if you have a low-slung Mazda hatchback. You will get stuck and your neighbor will have to pull you out. Twice. Maybe three times.
Headed into the office about 9:30am from Owasso. 169 south to 244 was snow packed traffic was moving along at about 30mph. There was a pinch point at 36th street where it goes from 2 lanes to one due to snow drifts, the snow was piled up about 5 feet high along there.
244 was in much better shape, the were several areas of no snow and you could get up to 45 or so. But there is a pinch point about the area of the Admiral Twin (RIP) where a stalled car is in the middle of the road way and I noticed on the way home it was still there.
The inter dispersal loop was in great shape, there was dry roads there.
Denver was snow packed with some deep ruts that I scraped bottom in the wife's front wheel drive mini van. I took her van rather than my HHR because it is heavier and has a better ground clearance.
The parking lot at 1408 S. Denver where my office is located had been cleared but was icy.
Going home we needed the essentials, milk and beer. So went to the Quik Trip at 15th and Denver, the parking lot was awful, I was concerned about getting stuck so I kept cruising right on through and headed home.
The Inter Dispersal loop was in great shape. Got on 244 and it was in better shape than this morning, still patches of packed snow but good stretches of clear road to drive on. However, their were two kinds of road hazards, those driving 20-25 miles an hour and those driving 60-65 mph. You could safely drive 45-50 which most of us were, but you had to watch out for the two extremes.
Got on 169 and the left lane was mostly clear. The other two on the right was snow packed. Had to dial it down a bit to 35-40 but it is obvious the further north I went the more snow there was.
Went to the Quik Trip where the parking lot was snow packed not mushy like in Tulsa. No milk but there was beer.
Went to the Braum's across the street no milk. Plenty of Orange Juice and Butter Milk. As I was walking out I said to a man walking toward the door there is no milk, he and 3 other people turned around and went back to their cars. There is not a quart of milk to be found anywhere in Owasso. I told Jo I should have bought a gallon of Vanilla Ice Cream and we could melt it down for milk. We have about a quart of milk left in the frig, we will just have to ration it.
Streets in my neighborhood are still snow packed with one lane drivable. If I met a car on my block coming the other way one of use would have to back up or risk getting stuck. We have had no mail since Monday.
Quote from: unreliablesource on February 03, 2011, 06:55:13 PM
Headed into the office about 9:30am from Owasso. 169 south to 244 was snow packed traffic was moving along at about 30mph. There was a pinch point at 36th street where it goes from 2 lanes to one due to snow drifts, the snow was piled up about 5 feet high along there.
244 was in much better shape, the were several areas of no snow and you could get up to 45 or so. But there is a pinch point about the area of the Admiral Twin (RIP) where a stalled car is in the middle of the road way and I noticed on the way home it was still there.
The inter dispersal loop was in great shape, there was dry roads there.
Denver was snow packed with some deep ruts that I scraped bottom in the wife's front wheel drive mini van. I took her van rather than my HHR because it is heavier and has a better ground clearance.
The parking lot at 1408 S. Denver where my office is located had been cleared but was icy.
Going home we needed the essentials, milk and beer. So went to the Quik Trip at 15th and Denver, the parking lot was awful, I was concerned about getting stuck so I kept cruising right on through and headed home.
The Inter Dispersal loop was in great shape. Got on 244 and it was in better shape than this morning, still patches of packed snow but good stretches of clear road to drive on. However, their were two kinds of road hazards, those driving 20-25 miles an hour and those driving 60-65 mph. You could safely drive 45-50 which most of us were, but you had to watch out for the two extremes.
Got on 169 and the left lane was mostly clear. The other two on the right was snow packed. Had to dial it down a bit to 35-40 but it is obvious the further north I went the more snow there was.
Went to the Quik Trip where the parking lot was snow packed not mushy like in Tulsa. No milk but there was beer.
Went to the Braum's across the street no milk. Plenty of Orange Juice and Butter Milk. As I was walking out I said to a man walking toward the door there is no milk, he and 3 other people turned around and went back to their cars. There is not a quart of milk to be found anywhere in Owasso. I told Jo I should have bought a gallon of Vanilla Ice Cream and we could melt it down for milk. We have about a quart of milk left in the frig, we will just have to ration it.
Streets in my neighborhood are still snow packed with one lane drivable. If I met a car on my block coming the other way one of use would have to back up or risk getting stuck. We have had no mail since Monday.
No mail here either since Monday. I went to the QT on Pine and Mingo and suprisingly, there was still quite a bit of milk and bread on hand. Got some milk and some diet soda as I was unsure as to when the CoT would have the water main repaired that broke this morning. My water came back on about half-hour ago. Most of you that have been to one of the lunches with me have seen my car. Not much on ground clearance. It was touch and go getting out of the neighborhood on to Admiral, but once I got out there, it wasn't too bad. Went north on Mingo and it wasn't too bad of a drive northbound. Coming home southbound, however, was a different story. I have sports suspension on my vehicle, so I felt every bump and rut. And there were plenty to go around. Not only that, I nearly high-centered my car in my neighborhood, and almost couldn't get back up the driveway after spending 2.5 hours clearing it out. Put down some more Morton's IceMelt so we'll see how it rolls in the morning. Not sure I'm going to the office since I can work from home, but we'll see.
Another thing sighted in Broken Arrow: A mail truck.
Quote from: nathanm on February 03, 2011, 07:26:35 PM
Another thing sighted in Broken Arrow: A mail truck.
What is this "mail truck" that you speak of?
Anyone know how 75 is?
I'm interested between the Creek and downtown
Why are you all going to QT when all the grocery stores are.open?
Quote from: joiei on February 03, 2011, 10:12:35 PM
Why are you all going to QT when all the grocery stores are.open?
Because most QTs are closer?
Plus, the less time I'm out on the road means less chance these no-snow-driving-morons will run into me or create other havoc. If Warehouse Market was right around my corner I'd be going to WM. It's not. Plus, I didn't need a whole lot of stuff, just staple stuff. And most people I've talked to say that at most grocery stores they're out of things like milk (needed it), bread (didn't need it) and the like. QT had it.
Quote from: joiei on February 03, 2011, 10:12:35 PM
Why are you all going to QT when all the grocery stores are.open?
Shh, they'll get our milk.
Saw a mail truck downtown. He slowed down and opend his door as he was coming down the street. When he got to where I was he just looked up and said he lost one of his chains and kept going.
Quote from: Townsend on February 03, 2011, 10:23:21 PM
Shh, they'll get our milk.
I went to the Walmart at 111th & Memorial and there was NO milk in the dairy frigs. Didn't venture into the Braums right in front.
Quote from: guido911 on February 04, 2011, 12:19:31 PM
I went to the Walmart at 111th & Memorial and there was NO milk in the dairy frigs. Didn't venture into the Braums right in front.
Yet another reason I'll keep shopping at Reasor's. There was plenty of milk. Not as much as usual, but still plenty. Plenty of bread, too. The only thing they were out of that I was looking for was carrots. Yes. Carrots. And they were almost out of frozen pizzas. :P
Quote from: nathanm on February 04, 2011, 12:21:05 PM
Yet another reason I'll keep shopping at Reasor's. There was plenty of milk. Not as much as usual, but still plenty. Plenty of bread, too. The only thing they were out of that I was looking for was carrots. Yes. Carrots. And they were almost out of frozen pizzas. :P
Love Reasors. The closest one to me is 5 miles away.
Quote from: guido911 on February 04, 2011, 05:55:34 PM
Love Reasors. The closest one to me is 5 miles away.
Food Pyramid is closer, but IDK if they have any milk. :P
Starting yesterday, I've actually seen some pavement downtown. I'm not sure what took them so long to realize it's more important to plow the roads than to worry about clearing piles of snow.
Another advantage of ultra wide streets: clear the middle two lanes on the four lane one way streets and pile the snow in the outer and parking lanes and you still have more than enough road capacity.
Downtown streets are much better today than they were 24 hours ago.
Quote from: TheTed on February 05, 2011, 01:23:14 PM
Starting yesterday, I've actually seen some pavement downtown. I'm not sure what took them so long to realize it's more important to plow the roads than to worry about clearing piles of snow.
I think it's more important to make as many roads as possible passable than to clear certain roads down to pavement. Even a little Honda (IOW, most vehicles) can get around if the road is covered in snow, so long as it's packed down. It only takes one pass with a plow to clear one lane and another to make it a two way road again. Many fewer vehicles can get around in over a foot of unpacked snow.
Clearing the roads down to pavement takes many more passes, thus reducing the number of roads that are passable for most people.
The difference in downtown streets from yesterday to today is huge. City changed its strategy of trying to haul off all snow - which left a few streets like Detroit clear from curb to curb, but left most streets untouched. Last night the city started simply pushing the snow into piles like a parking lot. They will haul off the piles later. I also think the city moved a lot more equipment into downtown last night. Unfortunately, all of this came too late for the work week.
We saw a lot of plows out clearing streets yesterday. I know I'll make it to work tomorrow...but beyond that...OI!
As of around 10:30 last night the streets downtown were driveable. The city had cleared the deep snow on every street I checked. There is a catch, as usual. The plows pushed the snow to the side of the road, blocking entry to every parking lot. First Methodist had plowed its lot off Boulder in anticipation of services this morning, but late last night every entrance to the lot was blocked by a 3-4 foot snow bank. Likewise the lots immediately south of Holy Family and across from the Fry & Elder law office on Cheyenne. I forgot to check the entrances to the parking garages, but I figure the building management will get those cleared before Monday. There is very little curbside parking and surface lots might be inaccessible. Even alleys are blocked by the plowed snow banks.
There's still plenty of work to do downtown. I'll check again late this afternoon.
Today, the unplowed streets are/were the worst they've been yet. Slush on a layer of ice. I had to help three people get off my street so I could go pick someone up. I was really wishing I had either M+S or Blizzaks on the RAV4 trying to get out of the neighborhood. I didn't get stuck, but I was sliding around far more than I was even on Tuesday during the snow.
So if you're venturing out tonight or early tomorrow, be sure to have a shovel. You may need it just to get to an arterial.
The arterials where in fantastic shape where I was driving.
Downtown is improving day by day. Most of the lots can now be accessed. For pedestrians, wear waterproof boots. Water dammed by the snow piles can get deep.
The neighborhoods are horrible. A hard freeze would be an improvement.
Quote from: nathanm on February 05, 2011, 02:13:48 PM
I think it's more important to make as many roads as possible passable than to clear certain roads down to pavement. Even a little Honda (IOW, most vehicles) can get around if the road is covered in snow, so long as it's packed down. It only takes one pass with a plow to clear one lane and another to make it a two way road again. Many fewer vehicles can get around in over a foot of unpacked snow.
Clearing the roads down to pavement takes many more passes, thus reducing the number of roads that are passable for most people.
Completely agree. The way Tulsa and surrounding cities have handled this snow is a complete embarrassment. The city of Tulsa (per Dewey) has at least 50 trucks on the streets and around 1700 lane miles of streets. To cover every lane mile, each truck would have to travel just 34 miles. I realize it takes multiple passes for some streets, but given the time we've had; every street could have been plowed at least twice and some as many as three times.
Perfect example of how they've mismanaged this; I was driving down Sheridan yesterday afternoon and it was in great shape. Two clear, dry lanes. Coming northbound in front of the Farm was a plow with his plow down. He was plowing about 4 to 6" worth of snow in the gutter. The street in front of my business (along with countless miles of neighborhood streets) hasn't been touch once, but the city thinks we're in good enough shape to be touching up the main streets???!!! Really?
I wonder if they do that in anticipation of the melt/refreeze process. If the snow that is melting cannot reach the gutters and drains, then it pools up and causes what we had in our parking lot this morning, a long patch of ice about a half inch thick.
This city is never going to be well prepared or well orchestrated for a heavy snow followed by low temps. We won't make that investment. Remember, this one dropped snow on South Padre Island.
That is exactly why it's done, but usually, it's not done until the majority of roads are plowed at least once.
It also doesn't explain why I've seen truck after truck after truck driving around with their plows up... if you're gonna burn the gas, put the plow down and be productive!
This city has no game plan when it comes to snow removal.
Quote from: Salukipoke on February 08, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
That is exactly why it's done, but usually, it's not done until the majority of roads are plowed at least once.
It also doesn't explain why I've seen truck after truck after truck driving around with their plows up... if you're gonna burn the gas, put the plow down and be productive!
This city has no game plan when it comes to snow removal.
Several of those plows you see aren't the city's. The wear and tear on the plow blade and drive train would keep me from lowering it without compensation.
I'd imagine there are litigation issues as well if a plow operator isn't under contract with a government agency sanctioning the job.
If there's a city of Tulsa emblem on the door, it's a city vehicle and yes, the plow should be down. I realize every 4x4 or truck with a blade isn't the cities, but I'm seeing way too many city trucks not being productive.
The city has 50 truck on the road at any given time, there are 1700 lane miles of streets and now they have $2M worth of extra help. If every street in this city isn't plowed at least once by tomorrow morning, the person in charge of the street crews needs to be gone.
Quote from: Salukipoke on February 09, 2011, 08:25:03 AM
If there's a city of Tulsa emblem on the door, it's a city vehicle and yes, the plow should be down. I realize every 4x4 or truck with a blade isn't the cities, but I'm seeing way too many city trucks not being productive.
The city has 50 truck on the road at any given time, there are 1700 lane miles of streets and now they have $2M worth of extra help. If every street in this city isn't plowed at least once by tomorrow morning, the person in charge of the street crews needs to be gone.
That would be my reaction as well, but since I'm not a traffic engineer, I don't pretend to know better than the department of public works. Plows also can cause damage to the street surface and as well they've said the drifts can be hard as concrete which can damage equipment. Or it could simply be workers aren't doing what they are paid for. No idea.
Did anyone else happen to see the promised neighborhood clearing taking place? I sure didn't.
We live a block from an elementary school on a hill. Everyone parks on our street to let their kids off. They, (someone) graded off the street in front of the school, pushing 6ft tall banks onto the curb and sidewalks around the school, but didn't touch any of the access streets to the school. No chance to go to the school.
We could slide down the hill to the street in front of the school which gave us access to 21st but couldn't make it back into the neighborhood without a lot of shoveling, pushing, sliding and ....laughing.
Tulsa, the city that doesn't work. :D
Quote from: waterboy on February 09, 2011, 10:27:50 AM
Tulsa, the city that doesn't work. :D
I'm looking for better. I'm looking for a place that pays me to not show up.
Congress?
Quote from: waterboy on February 09, 2011, 01:11:28 PM
Congress?
Good try but:
1. I would be expected to show up occasionally
2. I could never get elected
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 09, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
2. I could never get elected
Have you taken a look at what's made it there? Unless you've murdered more than 3 children and someone has proof...
Quote from: Townsend on February 09, 2011, 01:34:50 PM
Have you taken a look at what's made it there? Unless you've murdered more than 3 children and someone has proof...
Thanks but no thanks
I'm not a genious, but I did grow up in northern Illinois where we dealt with boat loads more snow than this regularly and I have slept at several Holiday Inn Expresses, but it seems to me a basic game plan is missing. For example check out the Snow and Ice policy of Rockford:
http://www.ci.rockford.il.us/public-works/street-division/snow-ice.aspx (http://www.ci.rockford.il.us/public-works/street-division/snow-ice.aspx)
Why doesn't Tulsa have this? Does it snow this much very often? No, but I'ld think this city is and should be ready for many types of emergencies that don't happen very often; i.e. a bomb threat at the airport. Planning for snow is no different.
And something else to chew on; Tulsa has 1700 lane miles of streets, Rockford has 1500 lane miles of streets. Rockford's entire snow removal budget is just over $2.3M annually. What did Tulsa just pay an outside contractor to help on the lasted snow storm.
Quote from: Salukipoke on February 10, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
I'm not a genious, but I did grow up in northern Illinois where we dealt with boat loads more snow than this regularly and I have slept at several Holiday Inn Expresses, but it seems to me a basic game plan is missing. For example check out the Snow and Ice policy of Rockford:
http://www.ci.rockford.il.us/public-works/street-division/snow-ice.aspx (http://www.ci.rockford.il.us/public-works/street-division/snow-ice.aspx)
Why doesn't Tulsa have this? Does it snow this much very often? No, but I'ld think this city is and should be ready for many types of emergencies that don't happen very often; i.e. a bomb threat at the airport. Planning for snow is no different.
And something else to chew on; Tulsa has 1700 lane miles of streets, Rockford has 1500 lane miles of streets. Rockford's entire snow removal budget is just over $2.3M annually. What did Tulsa just pay an outside contractor to help on the lasted snow storm.
Head back any time you feel ready....
No, for heaven's sakes. Stay and share your experience of Rockford with people in power around here. Might be you stimulate someone to make a few calls, schedule a fact finding trip and make some planning changes. I too would like to know what we've expended on these last two snows for removal.
Quote from: waterboy on February 10, 2011, 04:03:41 PM
No, for heaven's sakes. Stay and share your experience of Rockford with people in power around here. Might be you stimulate someone to make a few calls, schedule a fact finding trip and make some planning changes. I too would like to know what we've expended on these last two snows for removal.
That would be interesting to know. Probably not "much" ($200,000 at most) for the city crews and supplies, but I doubt Crossland was working for free...
Edited to add: $360,000 by noon Wednesday, just for Public Works and salt, actually.
Quote from: Salukipoke on February 10, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
I'm not a genious, but I did grow up in northern Illinois where we dealt with boat loads more snow than this regularly and I have slept at several Holiday Inn Expresses, but it seems to me a basic game plan is missing. For example check out the Snow and Ice policy of Rockford:
http://www.ci.rockford.il.us/public-works/street-division/snow-ice.aspx (http://www.ci.rockford.il.us/public-works/street-division/snow-ice.aspx)
Why doesn't Tulsa have this? Does it snow this much very often? No, but I'ld think this city is and should be ready for many types of emergencies that don't happen very often; i.e. a bomb threat at the airport. Planning for snow is no different.
And something else to chew on; Tulsa has 1700 lane miles of streets, Rockford has 1500 lane miles of streets. Rockford's entire snow removal budget is just over $2.3M annually. What did Tulsa just pay an outside contractor to help on the lasted snow storm.
Where are your numbers coming from?
I have a hard time buying that Rockford, IL with a population of 157,272 covering 57 square miles has anywhere close to the amount of lane miles that Tulsa does with 389,625 people in 187 square miles.
(per Wiki so take it for what it's worth)
Most recent reference I can find regarding lane miles in Rockford is from this recent article about how well they managed snow removal:
http://www.rrstar.com/carousel/x1916611052/Our-View-Thanks-to-heroes-of-the-storm (http://www.rrstar.com/carousel/x1916611052/Our-View-Thanks-to-heroes-of-the-storm)
From the article:
It seemed like a well-choreographed dance of heavy equipment — because it was. Readers of rrstar.com saw photos of solemn-looking plow drivers, meeting at the city yards before they headed out into the storm. Details matter when you are driving 1,500 "lane-miles" of roads in the city, maneuvering a multi-ton piece of equipment in whiteout conditions.
And there's this from last year:
http://www.rrstar.com/carousel/x1689195030/Roads-slippery-worst-yet-to-come (http://www.rrstar.com/carousel/x1689195030/Roads-slippery-worst-yet-to-come)
From the article:
By noon today, 5 to 6 inches of snow fell over the city, home to 1,500 miles of road. About 30 percent of the city's roads are arterials and collectors. The rest are residential streets.
From the city of Tulsa website:
Streets and Expressways
Expressways - 465 Lane Miles
Arterial Streets - 1,249 Lane Miles
Residential Streets - 3,040 Lane Miles
Central Business District - 93 Lane Miles
Signalized Intersections - 491
(includes school crossings)
Tulsa has almost 5,000 lane miles in streets, and has over 1,800 lane miles of downtown streets, expressways and arterials alone, which they did plow. Not very well, but they did do it.
Quote from: swake on February 11, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
From the city of Tulsa website:
Streets and Expressways
Expressways - 465 Lane Miles
Arterial Streets - 1,249 Lane Miles
Residential Streets - 3,040 Lane Miles
Central Business District - 93 Lane Miles
Signalized Intersections - 491
(includes school crossings)
Tulsa has almost 5,000 lane miles in streets, and has over 1,800 lane miles of downtown streets, expressways and arterials alone, which they did plow. Not very well, but they did do it.
I was listening to Dewey the other day and he simply stated Tulsa has 57 pieces of equipment used for plowing snow. 5 of which are typically off the streets and in for repairs. He also said Tulsa has 1770 lane miles of roads to be plowed.
I'm going to take this in one of two ways... maybe Tulsa does have 5,000 lane miles in total (the city isn't responsible for expressways); they only take care of 1,770 of them. Or, the 1770 lane miles he was referring to were the ones in downtown and midtown and hence, he's unaware of any others out there. ;)
Either way, bottom line; I'll cut the city some slack when it comes to sleet and ice, those are tough to deal with, but when it comes to snow, it's not this hard.
Upon further review, my initial thought was prolly correct:
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/news/news-stories/2011/weatherupdate2-4-11.aspx (http://www.cityoftulsa.org/news/news-stories/2011/weatherupdate2-4-11.aspx)
Street Update
Public Works crews are continuing to focus on the arterial street systems, streets near schools and downtown so roads are passable. Crews have plowed all major arterials and put salt down on bridges and plowed streets to help when temperatures drop. City of Tulsa Public Works street crews are remaining on 12-hour shifts. The City of Tulsa still has 7,000 tons of salt remaining in the City's two street maintenance yards. Public Works has been working with the following equipment for snow removal and will continue the process around the clock with:
•55 truck-mounted sand-salt spreaders
•38 truck-mounted snow plows
•4 motor graders for use as plows
•1 truck-mounted liquid de-icer spraying units
•150 employees
The spreaders are assigned to 35 specific routes totaling 1,750 lane-miles.
Swake is right, we do have upwards of 4 to 5000 miles of streets, but I guess Tulsa's leaders think we only need to clear snow from just over a third of of them... nice. I'm sticking with my initial impression of how all this was handled and wait for next weeks warm weather... the main reason I'll never live in Rockford again.
Quote from: Salukipoke on February 11, 2011, 02:34:27 PM
Upon further review, my initial thought was prolly correct:
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/news/news-stories/2011/weatherupdate2-4-11.aspx (http://www.cityoftulsa.org/news/news-stories/2011/weatherupdate2-4-11.aspx)
Street Update
Public Works crews are continuing to focus on the arterial street systems, streets near schools and downtown so roads are passable. Crews have plowed all major arterials and put salt down on bridges and plowed streets to help when temperatures drop. City of Tulsa Public Works street crews are remaining on 12-hour shifts. The City of Tulsa still has 7,000 tons of salt remaining in the City's two street maintenance yards. Public Works has been working with the following equipment for snow removal and will continue the process around the clock with:
•55 truck-mounted sand-salt spreaders
•38 truck-mounted snow plows
•4 motor graders for use as plows
•1 truck-mounted liquid de-icer spraying units
•150 employees
The spreaders are assigned to 35 specific routes totaling 1,750 lane-miles.
Swake is right, we do have upwards of 4 to 5000 miles of streets, but I guess Tulsa's leaders think we only need to clear snow from just over a third of of them... nice. I'm sticking with my initial impression of how all this was handled and wait for next weeks warm weather... the main reason I'll never live in Rockford again.
Which likely excludes the neighborhood streets. 5000 lane miles I could believe if you include the neighborhood streets. CoT has NEVER plowed neighborhood streets. Or even sanded/salted for that matter. Too many cars parked in the street.
Quote from: Hoss on February 11, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
Which likely excludes the neighborhood streets. 5000 lane miles I could believe if you include the neighborhood streets. CoT has NEVER plowed neighborhood streets. Or even sanded/salted for that matter. Too many cars parked in the street.
Yeah, I thought they were going above and beyond using fire trucks to pack down some of the neighborhood streets.
It is a night and day difference between how Tulsa handles the snow and Winter Park Co. These people up here REALLY know what's going on (yes I know they got the experience and equipment). Still, it's pretty damned awesome.
If you have never been up in these mountains, try to. Even the most hardcore atheist would have a hard time explaining how this occurred. I may look into buying some property up here.