And check on any elderly relatives or friends/neighbors you might have and make sure they are prepared. The latest is calling for snows from 4 to 14 inches, depending on your location:
...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 6 PM MONDAY TO 7 AM CST
WEDNESDAY...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TULSA HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM
WARNING FOR SNOW...SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN...WHICH IS IN EFFECT
FROM 6 PM MONDAY TO 7 AM CST WEDNESDAY...
FOR THE FOLLOWING COUNTIES...
* IN OKLAHOMA...CHEROKEE...ADAIR...CREEK...OKFUSKEE...OKMULGEE...
WAGONER...TULSA...ROGERS...MAYES...DELAWARE...PAWNEE...OTTAWA...
WASHINGTON...OSAGE...CRAIG...NOWATA AND MUSKOGEE. IN ARKANSAS...
WASHINGTON...MADISON...BENTON AND CARROLL.
* THIS REPLACES THE WINTER STORM WATCH THAT WAS IN EFFECT.
HAZARDOUS WEATHER...
* MODERATE TO HEAVY SLEET AND SNOW WILL SPREAD NORTHEASTWARD INTO
EASTERN OKLAHOMA MONDAY NIGHT...AND CONTINUE EASTWARD INTO
NORTHWEST ARKANSAS AFTER SUNRISE TUESDAY. A BRIEF PERIOD OF
FREEZING RAIN WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE DURING THIS TIME FRAME.
HEAVY SLEET AND SNOW WILL CONTINUE THROUGH TUESDAY...BEFORE
ENDING FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND
EVENING.
* 4 TO 8 INCHES OF SNOW...WITH LOCAL AMOUNTS OF 10 TO 14
INCHES...ARE LIKELY ALONG AND NORTHWEST OF INTERSTATE 44.
ADDITIONALLY...1 TO 2 INCHES OF SLEET ARE ALSO LIKELY FOR A
BROAD REGION OF EAST CENTRAL OKLAHOMA INTO FAR NORTHWEST
ARKANSAS. ICE FROM FREEZING RAIN IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN AROUND
ONE QUARTER INCH OR LESS...PRIMARILY FROM SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA
INTO FAR NORTHWEST ARKANSAS.
* NORTHWESTERLY WINDS OF 20 TO 30 MPH WILL DEVELOP ON TUESDAY
ACROSS EASTERN OKLAHOMA PRODUCING NEAR BLIZZARD CONDITIONS AT
TIMES...WITH VISIBILITIES BEING REDUCED BELOW ONE MILE. THESE
WINDS WILL ALSO PRODUCE DANGEROUS WIND CHILL VALUES.
IMPACTS...
* TRAVEL WILL BECOME VERY HAZARDOUS OR IMPOSSIBLE. ISOLATED POWER
OUTAGES ARE LIKELY IN SOME AREAS.
* THE EXTREME COLD FOLLOWING THIS STORM SYSTEM WILL PRODUCE A
CRITICAL SHELTERING EVENT FOR THOSE WITH ANY PROLONGED POWER
OUTAGES.
DEFINITION...
* A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT WINTER WEATHER IS
EXPECTED OR IS OCCURRING.
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
* DELAY TRAVEL AND STAY HOME IF POSSIBLE UNTIL CONDITIONS IMPROVE.
* MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FOOD...WATER AND
NECESSARY MEDICATION TO LAST THROUGH THE DURATION OF THE WINTER
STORM.
* STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO...COMMERCIAL RADIO OR
TELEVISION FOR THE LATEST INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS WEATHER
EVENT. ADDITIONAL WEATHER INFORMATION CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT:
WEATHER.GOV/TULSA.
&&
All the local weathermen will have raging snowners.
I had a gas generator installed after the last ice storm. Looks like it may come in handy this week.
Quote from: guido911 on January 30, 2011, 08:19:07 PM
I had a gas generator installed after the last ice storm. Looks like it may come in handy this week.
Hopefully not..they're saying the lion's share of the ice as freezing rain will be further east. But the winter storms are so much harder to predict.
I've been gearing up to scoff at the standard Okie snow terrors accompanying anything from flurries on upwards, but this one looks like it's the real deal. Very exciting stuff.
I really liked yesterday. Bring on spring.
LOVE snow! I want the whole 14 inches (like that will happen). Bring it on!
Quote from: ZYX on January 30, 2011, 10:28:45 PM
I want the whole 14 inches (like that will happen). Bring it on!
Titter
Quote from: Townsend on January 30, 2011, 10:31:16 PM
Titter
Out of my brain, Townsend...but doesn't that kinda reduce us to BB banter?
Quote from: Hoss on January 30, 2011, 10:41:27 PM
Out of my brain, Townsend...but doesn't that kinda reduce us to BB banter?
Sure.
Quote from: ZYX on January 30, 2011, 10:28:45 PM
LOVE snow! I want the whole 14 inches (like that will happen). Bring it on!
You could be missing your calling.....
I have fuel in the generator, chopped wood, ammo, and jars of peanut butter. I will be dawning my snow cammo and retreating into the family bunker.
If you plan to visit me, please know the secret password!
Quote from: Gaspar on January 31, 2011, 07:17:53 AM
I have fuel in the generator, chopped wood, ammo, and jars of peanut butter. I will be dawning my snow cammo and retreating into the family bunker.
If you plan to visit me, please know the secret password!
Tinfoil hat.... ;D
My preparation? I'm going to OKC today. ;)
Oh yeah..and I made sure I have plenty of kerosene and food and that I'll be back before it drops below freezing.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 31, 2011, 07:17:53 AM
If you plan to visit me, please know the secret password!
Marshall's
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 31, 2011, 07:59:35 AM
Marshall's
Well played. Sounds like I'm headed to Midtown Liquors to restock after work.
Hit the liquor store on Saturday, have all kinds of new brews and wines to try, I will need it at home with the kids for days on end. Especially with one of them sick, not so much snow play time.
Snow shovel is at the alert, Marshall's chilling in the fridge, more beer in the "beer box" out back. I need to get a couple of bags of charcoal, some gas, and drag the generator out of the shed and test fire it after work this evening, just in case.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 31, 2011, 08:57:18 AM
Snow shovel is at the alert, Marshall's chilling in the fridge, more beer in the "beer box" out back. I need to get a couple of bags of charcoal, some gas, and drag the generator out of the shed and test fire it after work this evening, just in case.
Trying to decide which of the cores is better for a winter shutin. Leanin' towards Sundown Wheat, but won't rule out any of them...
Quote from: Hoss on January 31, 2011, 09:46:24 AM
Trying to decide which of the cores is better for a winter shutin. Leanin' towards Sundown Wheat, but won't rule out any of them...
I made McNellie's Pub Ale bread last night, I'll know in an hour or so how that came out.
More snow than ice is predicted for Tulsa. The same computer models that predict a foot for Tulsa predict 20" for Bartlesville. McAlester and SE will get the ice.
Im storing a dry hose and a nozzle inside, so I can later use it to melt any ice dams that form on my roof.
Per tweet from City of Tulsa:
City depts not involved in snow removal & emergency response will be closed tomorrow
Damn, nix that. OKC tweet. My bad.
Quote from: nathanm on January 31, 2011, 07:51:23 AM
My preparation? I'm going to OKC today. ;)
Oh yeah..and I made sure I have plenty of kerosene and food and that I'll be back before it drops below freezing.
Better get a Carbon Monoxide detector too.
The National Weather Service is estimating that as many as 200,000 people may be without internet porn for up to a week!
Quote from: Gaspar on January 31, 2011, 12:54:36 PM
The National Weather Service is estimating that as many as 200,000 people may be without internet porn for up to a week!
Well, that's just flat-out unacceptable. Whom do I lodge a complaint about this travesty?
:o
Unfortunately, it appears that at some point the forecast will hit the fan before tomorrow.
Aliens. I blame the aliens. They know we can't handle this stuff.
They're calling this storm "historic".
http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/historic-storm-ahead-insights_2011-01-31?page=2
Quote from: Gaspar on January 31, 2011, 12:54:36 PM
The National Weather Service is estimating that as many as 200,000 people may be without internet porn for up to a week!
WHAT?? What is this, Egypt?
Quote from: Gaspar on January 31, 2011, 01:13:28 PM
They're calling this storm "historic".
http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/historic-storm-ahead-insights_2011-01-31?page=2
More like hysterical.
That sure is a lot of global warming about to hit the ground. Where's Algore?
They just declared a state of emergency for Oklahoma. pancakes
Wal-mart is going to be packed with idiots.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 31, 2011, 01:33:14 PM
Wal-mart is going to be packed with idiots.
From what I hear tell, that's been happening since at least yesterday after church.
Quote from: Townsend on January 31, 2011, 01:37:39 PM
From what I hear tell, that's been happening since at least yesterday after church.
Why I went before, when the slightest inkling of this was just hitting the news outlets.
Want some scary stuff? One of the more popular forecast models that the NWS and network Meteos use, the NAM, is forecasting 20" of snow in a swath from Lawton up into Missouri, pretty much following the I-44 corridor. Now, that doesn't mean we'll get that, as this is a computerized model, but the NWS uses this model (as well as a combination of others) for their forecasting.
http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays.php3?STATIONID=INX
Quote from: Townsend on January 31, 2011, 01:37:39 PM
From what I hear tell, that's been happening since at least yesterday after church 1967 or so.
Quote from: Hoss on January 31, 2011, 01:48:46 PM
Why I went before, when the slightest inkling of this was just hitting the news outlets.
Want some scary stuff? One of the more popular forecast models that the NWS and network Meteos use, the NAM, is forecasting 20" of snow in a swath from Lawton up into Missouri, pretty much following the I-44 corridor. Now, that doesn't mean we'll get that, as this is a computerized model, but the NWS uses this model (as well as a combination of others) for their forecasting.
http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays.php3?STATIONID=INX
Holy crap
Quote from: swake on January 31, 2011, 02:56:52 PM
Holy crap
It is scary though. The first thing I thought of after seeing that?
Roof load. Ack!
Quote from: Gaspar on January 31, 2011, 01:33:14 PM
Wal-mart is going to be packed with idiots.
How would that be different from any other day?
She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed informed me that 'we' need to go to the grocery store, which promises to be interesting ina zombie apocalypse kind of way, so I'm sitting here ready to go while she putzes around the house.
Quote from: Hoss on January 31, 2011, 03:02:09 PM
It is scary though. The first thing I thought of after seeing that?
Roof load. Ack!
Dude, we have very little roof pitch in Lortondale. Jokes are over with me about the storm for the time being. smile that's got me bugged big time....
Quote from: Hoss on January 31, 2011, 03:02:09 PM
It is scary though. The first thing I thought of after seeing that?
Roof load. Ack!
If your roof survived the 2007 ice storm, you will probably be OK this time.
The winter storm warning for Tulsa has now been replaced with a blizzard warning
Quote from: swake on January 31, 2011, 03:36:28 PM
The winter storm warning for Tulsa has now been replaced with a blizzard warning
I think the next forecast is:
First Seal - Conquest, White horse
Second Seal - War, Red Horse
Third Seal - Famine, Black Horse
Fourth Seal - Death, Green or Pale Horse
Fifth Seal - Vision of martyrs
Sixth Seal - Cosmic disturbances: sun turns black, moon turns blood red; sealing of the 144,000
Seventh Seal - Prelude To The 7 Trumpets of 7 Angels & The Final Judgement
QuoteWal-mart is going to be packed with idiots.
Just got back from the Neighborhood Market at 96th and Delaware. It was crazy. If you need bread or eggs forget it. Every checkout had a least 5 people in line. I was suprised they were all open.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 31, 2011, 01:13:28 PM
They're calling this storm "historic".
http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/historic-storm-ahead-insights_2011-01-31?page=2
Shouldn't they, I don't know, wait until something actually happens before assigning it a place in history?
Quote from: DTowner on January 31, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
Shouldn't they, I don't know, wait until something actually happens before assigning it a place in history?
That's not "right thinking" for our little community of "escalator to nowhere" thinkers.
We scream and scream while running around in circles.
The track bar at Fair Meadows has decided to close and change my festive plans for Wednesday.
You're right, I need to get with the program and join the hysteria. We're doomed, we're all doomed!!!
For what it's worth, I heard OSU (Stillwater and Tulsa) and the Bankruptcy Court for the Northern District (Tulsa) already announced they are closed tomorrow.
The National Weather Service has announced that the sky WILL be falling at about 6pm.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 31, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
The National Weather Service has announced that the sky WILL be falling at about 6pm.
It's that dihydrous oxide again isn't it?
I heard we will get 12-18 inches. DEATH IS OFFICIAL!
Quote from: ZYX on January 31, 2011, 04:40:26 PM
I heard we will get 12-18 inches. DEATH IS OFFICIAL!
Preparing my screaming circle now
Quote from: DTowner on January 31, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
Shouldn't they, I don't know, wait until something actually happens before assigning it a place in history?
NO. We must jump to conclusions first.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 31, 2011, 12:00:18 PM
Better get a Carbon Monoxide detector too.
I have one, but as drafty as my house is, it's not much of a concern.
Edited to add: I'm glad that I went to the grocery store last night. I happened to drive by Reasor's on the way home and it looked like utter madness. Also, there were about 20 cars in line at the Walgreens' drive thru, which isn't terribly nice given that she-who-must-be-obeyed needs a refill and I forgot to pick it up this morning.
I can always drive the 20 year old car over there later if need be. It should have enough ground clearance until sometime tomorrow.. ;)
Oh, and NWS' webpage has been screwed up since this morning...not surprised about the blizzard warning, we were just under blizzard criteria with the previous wind forecast.
Is today government teet check day? That makes it all that more exciting.
Quote from: Townsend on January 31, 2011, 06:14:31 PM
Is today government teet check day? That makes it all that more exciting.
Dunno about food stamps, but based on when I get my rent check every month, SS checks arrive on the 1st or 2nd.
Heard "snOMG".
Quote from: Townsend on January 31, 2011, 04:02:02 PM
The track bar at Fair Meadows has decided to close and change my festive plans for Wednesday.
Do you really go to the track? I have been thinking about having a TulsaNow meetup there...
It's an absolute mad house at both 111th & 101st & Memorial. People and their cars everywhere.
and this is why I don't mind driving in the snow and ice. Wait till everyone else gets stuck in their homes and then I'll go to the store. Only problem I have is apparantly there is a good chance I won't be allowed to go to work tomorrow. Or at least I won't get paid for it if I do.
Quote from: custosnox on January 31, 2011, 07:24:42 PM
and this is why I don't mind driving in the snow and ice. Wait till everyone else gets stuck in their homes and then I'll go to the store. Only problem I have is apparantly there is a good chance I won't be allowed to go to work tomorrow. Or at least I won't get paid for it if I do.
+1. Either stock up early or wait until the weather begins to deteriorate.
Quote from: custosnox on January 31, 2011, 07:24:42 PM
and this is why I don't mind driving in the snow and ice. Wait till everyone else gets stuck in their homes and then I'll go to the store. Only problem I have is apparantly there is a good chance I won't be allowed to go to work tomorrow. Or at least I won't get paid for it if I do.
remote desktop...
;D
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 31, 2011, 06:35:55 PM
Do you really go to the track? I have been thinking about having a TulsaNow meetup there...
Absolutely. It's huge and has huge beers. You can watch smokers like they're zoo animals.
Quote from: Hoss on January 31, 2011, 08:07:12 PM
remote desktop...
;D
Would be nice, but my job is more hands on.
Quote from: Townsend on January 31, 2011, 04:43:55 PM
Preparing my screaming circle now
You guys are just starting? Wow, ours has been going on for several days now.
Quote from: custosnox on January 31, 2011, 08:33:11 PM
Would be nice, but my job is more hands on.
Sad. I don't usually have to go to work but once a month, and sometimes less.
(I'm sad, not you ;))
It is sleeting freakishly hard at my house. Mixed with snow
Looks like a good crappy movie and slow cooker day.
I can't tell you about the main roads, but getting out of the neighborhoods ain't easy. The snow is high enough in some places here in midtown to swamp your tires, if you're driving a car (vs an SUV), and I've watched several cars spin out and get stuck.
I had ONE more day till I got the mural I am working on done so that I could get paid. I just don't think I am gonna be able to make it all the way up to north Owasso to finish it today. Especially now that I don't have the Murano. That Murano could run circles in the snow around most everything else. With the slow economy and me trying to start the Art Deco Museum, I thought it wise to downsize, and right now I have a little Ford Ranger. That thing goes into a tailspin if it drizzles lol. I may be stuck in this house all week! :o
I think there is more snow in my driveway than I have ground clearance.
Quote from: TheArtist on February 01, 2011, 08:13:50 AM
I had ONE more day till I got the mural I am working on done so that I could get paid. I just don't think I am gonna be able to make it all the way up to north Owasso to finish it today. Especially now that I don't have the Murano. That Murano could run circles in the snow around most everything else. With the slow economy and me trying to start the Art Deco Museum, I thought it wise to downsize, and right now I have a little Ford Ranger. That thing goes into a tailspin if it drizzles lol. I may be stuck in this house all week! :o
When you could find it(Murano)..... ;D
Quote from: Breadburner on February 01, 2011, 08:23:42 AM
When you could find it(Murano)..... ;D
Haaa you so funny. :P
Jeesh, there is a snowdrift on my back patio that is already over 2 feet high.
Quote from: TheArtist on February 01, 2011, 09:02:39 AM
Haaa you so funny. :P
Jeesh, there is a snowdrift on my back patio that is already over 2 feet high.
2 feet? Hah, that's nothing. I have snow up to my windows on 2 sides of the house. I couldn't open my back door, and could barely squeeze a shovel through my front screen door to brush away enough of the snow to squeeze out and make it passable. It appears that out in the street it's only about 12", but I'm looking at the downwind side of the cars. There also appear to be fools driving (or trying to) around in it...
No one has been down my street all morning, no traffic at all.
My office is technically open, which makes no sense, but I am working from home on the laptop today.
The good news is I made it to the office today...the bad news is I made it to the office today.
Quote from: bokworker on February 01, 2011, 09:36:32 AM
The good news is I made it to the office today...the bad news is I made it to the office today.
Fuckin Kaiser..... ;D
Quote from: TheArtist on February 01, 2011, 08:13:50 AM
I had ONE more day till I got the mural I am working on done so that I could get paid. I just don't think I am gonna be able to make it all the way up to north Owasso to finish it today. Especially now that I don't have the Murano. That Murano could run circles in the snow around most everything else. With the slow economy and me trying to start the Art Deco Museum, I thought it wise to downsize, and right now I have a little Ford Ranger. That thing goes into a tailspin if it drizzles lol. I may be stuck in this house all week! :o
Trust me, you don't want to drive to Owasso today. The snowplows have been stuck a few times because they can't see the side of the road and run off into a ditch. I'm hoping that the ambulance and fire calls are minimal today because they'll have a difficult time getting through.
I've heard from some friends on FB that the Hard Rock Casino had a roof collapse, but not seeing any news on it yet. Any one confirm?
Never mind, KOTV just updated their web page.
Quote from: dbacks fan on February 01, 2011, 10:05:09 AM
I've heard from some friends on FB that the Hard Rock Casino had a roof collapse, but not seeing any news on it yet. Any one confirm?
Never mind, KOTV just updated their web page.
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=13946909
I woke up this morning, looked at camera's around town on the phone, shook my head and called the boss lady. She told me not to come in today (I didn't even get to ask). So I guess I get to study today. I really want Starbucks, but I'm afraid they won't be open when I get there.
If you plan on coming downtown today, avoid Boulder between 4th and 2nd. The wind has blown all the snow in the Brady District into a pile in front of the Bankruptcy Court building.
(http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/13946909_BG2.jpg)
Been a bad week for the casinos in town.
Earlier this week River Spirit had to shut down due to a water main break and then was delayed even more when they broke a gas main trying to fix the water break.
Now Hard Rock's roof collapse.
Humm?...............Karma at work?
Our office is officially open but we were told to take a day of vacation if we didn't think we could safely get to work. If Bixby doesn't plow the street in front of our house, I may have to take tomorrow off too. Last time that happened was in the late 80s. I shoveled 11" of snow from the driveway, which got me to the end of the driveway.
Did they build that place with paper mache?
I think I'm going to see if I can make it downtown to get some pictures. :P Should be interesting...
I wonder if I can get Dominos to deliver
Quote from: joiei on February 01, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
I wonder if I can get Dominos to deliver
I know that whenI worked for them in the mid 80's nad in the early 90's they would be open during weather like this.
Is this a record snowfall? I don't remember one this bad.
One set of tracks up (or down) the hill in front of my house with a 4wd Toyota Tundra at the bottom of the hill. Hilarious snow drifts half way up the side of cars on the street and beautiful snow laden gusting winds.
My Blue Heeler is ecstatic. She jumped into a drift and became totally covered up, emerged at full speed and a smile on her face. Has the whole neighborhood to herself. My Yorkie prefers to pee under the carport and come back in.
Talk about bad luck. The Boat Show opened yesterday and runs through the 6th. As I drove by last nite for the opening I saw it had a pretty good turnout.
Also, I am not so surprised about the roof collapse at the casino. When it first opened I noticed the concrete around the entry way was already spalding and cracking. The interior construction, if you could look past the lighting, was real average at best. I suspect using "approved" contractors may have taken a toll in quality. I don't know if its any worse than similar buildings but it looked kind of tilt-up warehouse construction to me.
Quote from: waterboy on February 01, 2011, 11:44:22 AM
Talk about bad luck. The Boat Show opened yesterday and runs through the 6th. As I drove by last nite for the opening I saw it had a pretty good turnout.
I suspect using "approved" contractors may have taken a toll in quality.
I hope(d) to get to the boat show on Friday.
I often wonder about the "approval" process.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 01, 2011, 12:02:14 PM
I often wonder about the "approval" process.
They don't care about quality, just that a Native American get's the contract.
Quote from: waterboy on February 01, 2011, 11:36:32 AM
Is this a record snowfall? I don't remember one this bad.
Yes, it is a record snowfall. And the number of abandoned vehicles in the roads is ridiculous. Apparently a lot of folks didn't realize you need a shovel if you're going to get out in this kind of snow. To my (and the RAV4's) credit, I only got stuck once and was able to dig out.
On the bright side, the arterials have been plowed, not that it did a lot of good on most of 'em. The downside to that is that there are large piles of snow at the end of every intersecting street. Peoria should be passable north of 15th (the only segment I was on) to an experienced snow driver in just about any vehicle, as it's densely packed. 11th, Harvard, and 15th, on the other hand, should only be attempted in something at least as large as a mini-SUV.
There was a plow stuck in a 4-5 foot drift at 6th and Denver.
Stay home unless you've got a lot of ground clearance and snow tires or chains.
I'll post some pictures here in a bit if any of them came out...
Owasso PD reported US169 blocked and impassable due to abandoned cars. The city is opening an emergency shelter at the Community Center on Cedar, just south of 76th Street. This is west of the intersection of US169 and 76th St North.
Earlier, they reported treating one hypothermia case, a motorist stranded in his car for about 6 hours.
Snow plows are attempting to keep the roads into the hospitals clear.
Any one know if Ben Folds concert at the Cains is canceled?
I would hope so...
http://www.nwacg.net/gallery3/index.php/2011-Tulsa-Blizzard
(http://www.nwacg.net/gallery3/var/resizes/2011-Tulsa-Blizzard/DSC_8770.JPG)
That's Elgin at 7th street. Two cars, a semi-truck, a bus, and you can't see it in the picture, but there's a dually on the other side of the semi helping to block 7th.
Also, Detroit is blocked at 5th (I think that's where this is, I could be a block off). There's a snow plow stuck in a 4 or 5 foot drift just west of this on 5th. Literally up to its windshield when I was there earlier.
(http://www.nwacg.net/gallery3/var/resizes/2011-Tulsa-Blizzard/DSC_8764.JPG)
If you dont have 4wd stay home....If you have 4wd with no clearance stay home......I have been out for a couple hours abandoned veh. everywhere......
Quote from: carltonplace on February 01, 2011, 12:48:52 PM
Any one know if Ben Folds concert at the Cains is canceled?
Yes, it was canceled yesterday.
Quote from: Breadburner on February 01, 2011, 01:07:37 PM
If you dont have 4wd stay home....If you have 4wd with no clearance stay home......I have been out for a couple hours abandoned veh. everywhere......
+22
As I mentioned, the RAV4 is barely enough. Before too much longer it probably won't be enough.
My car can't even make it out my driveway. Looks like I'm not going anywhere for the next 3 days unless I'm walking. It's not supposed to go above freezing until Saturday so none of this is melting this week. With temps in the 30's this weekend and then another chance of snow next week we will be dealing with this for awhile...
My employer declared a "transportation emergency" which means if we show up, we work 8 hours and go home regardless of our scheduled work hours. They didn't close the maintenance base, because if they did so, they'd have to pay us.
I suspect there's not much happening at the airport today.
Living in the burbs is not without expense.
From the City of Bixby web site:
"2010-11 WINTER MAINTENANCE SNOW ROUTES
The attached map indicates in green the 2010-11 Winter Maintenance Snow Routes established by the City of Bixby Public Works Department of major arterial streets and intersections which will be cleared/salted/sanded as need arises due to snow and/or ice accumulating conditions.
Entry into subdivisions will not be made by City snow/ice removal vehicles."
Quote from: Ed W on February 01, 2011, 01:59:38 PM
My employer declared a "transportation emergency" which means if we show up, we work 8 hours and go home regardless of our scheduled work hours. They didn't close the maintenance base, because if they did so, they'd have to pay us.
I suspect there's not much happening at the airport today.
I believe I just heard on the TV (Ch 6) that American is closing the maintenance base for the first time in 64 years.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 01, 2011, 01:59:59 PM
Living in the burbs is not without expense.
From the City of Bixby web site:
"2010-11 WINTER MAINTENANCE SNOW ROUTES
The attached map indicates in green the 2010-11 Winter Maintenance Snow Routes established by the City of Bixby Public Works Department of major arterial streets and intersections which will be cleared/salted/sanded as need arises due to snow and/or ice accumulating conditions.
Entry into subdivisions will not be made by City snow/ice removal vehicles."
Thanks for the heads up on that Red. At least 111th will be cleared. Now, how do I get there from my house?
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 01, 2011, 01:59:59 PM
Living in the burbs is not without expense.
From the City of Bixby web site:
"2010-11 WINTER MAINTENANCE SNOW ROUTES
The attached map indicates in green the 2010-11 Winter Maintenance Snow Routes established by the City of Bixby Public Works Department of major arterial streets and intersections which will be cleared/salted/sanded as need arises due to snow and/or ice accumulating conditions.
Entry into subdivisions will not be made by City snow/ice removal vehicles."
I should check to see if Owasso has language similar to that. I know it's conveniently located in the library, not the city website. Harumph!
Quote from: guido911 on February 01, 2011, 02:05:11 PM
Thanks for the heads up on that Red. At least 111th will be cleared. Now, how do I get there from my house?
That's new. During the big ice storm, Bixby cleared no roads. They might have tried to do something to Memorial, but they failed miserably.
Oh, and it's still getting worse. My neighbor's Rogue is now buried up to the grille:
(http://www.nwacg.net/gallery3/var/resizes/2011-Tulsa-Blizzard/20110201_006.jpg)
Quote from: guido911 on February 01, 2011, 02:05:11 PM
Thanks for the heads up on that Red. At least 111th will be cleared. Now, how do I get there from my house?
The same way I get to either Memorial or 111th, wait for the SUVs to pack the snow down so my car will clear. ;D
Quote from: nathanm on February 01, 2011, 02:12:51 PM
That's new. During the big ice storm, Bixby cleared no roads. They might have tried to do something to Memorial, but they failed miserably.
They bought "the" plow since the ice storm. Memorial south of 101st has always been a problem (the north bound side is Bixby south of 101st) although Bixby now claims the state will take care of Memorial. No one has in the past. If I could get the first 1-1/2 mi, I could usually get to work, even when I worked in the Mid-America Industrial Park near Pryor.
Edit:
Add link for Bixby folks.
http://www.bixby.com/winter_snow_routes.php
For the first time ever, I couldn't get out and drive because of the weather. I dug out of my parking spot, then got stuck again. After about an hour of trying to even get headed towards the exit of the parking lot I gave up and dug my way back into the parking spot. So I ended up hiking down to Reasors to get some food for a couple of days. Was a cold walk. Vehicles stuck all over the place, including trucks and 4x4s. Though I hope those kids in the jeep that laughed at us as they flew by end up in a 20 ft drift.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 01, 2011, 02:02:16 PM
I believe I just heard on the TV (Ch 6) that American is closing the maintenance base for the first time in 64 years.
I heard that on KOTV too, but it wasn't confirmed on our internal news page and my supervisor (unsurprisingly) knew nothing about it. Regardless, I'm not going to work tomorrow because I probably can't get out of the neighborhood. I've seen two FWD trucks with generous ground clearance go down our street. They were the only vehicles I've seen. The air dam on my Gran Prix probably wouldn't make a good snow plow.
The plows always block the entrance to our neighborhood in Bixby. Even our SUV does not seem to want to go through a four foot tall wall of snow.
Quote from: ZYX on February 01, 2011, 04:33:23 PM
The plows always block the entrance to our neighborhood in Bixby. Even our SUV does not seem to want to go through a four foot tall wall of snow.
Yer not goin fast enough. Hold my beer and let me show ye how its dun
Quote from: custosnox on February 01, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
Yer not goin fast enough. Hold my beer and let me show ye how its dun
You could get away that in years gone by. These days, you'll have fourteen airbags blowing up in your face. :P
Algore has spoken, it's officially global warming:
QuoteAn Answer for Bill February 1, 2011 : 11:43 AM
Last week on his show Bill O'Reilly asked, "Why has southern New York turned into the tundra?" and then said he had a call into me. I appreciate the question.
As it turns out, the scientific community has been addressing this particular question for some time now and they say that increased heavy snowfalls are completely consistent with what they have been predicting as a consequence of man-made global warming:
"In fact, scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe. Snow has two simple ingredients: cold and moisture. Warmer air collects moisture like a sponge until it hits a patch of cold air. When temperatures dip below freezing, a lot of moisture creates a lot of snow."
"A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species."
http://blog.algore.com/2011/02/an_answer_for_bill.html (http://blog.algore.com/2011/02/an_answer_for_bill.html)
Quote from: nathanm on February 01, 2011, 05:03:17 PM
You could get away that in years gone by. These days, you'll have fourteen airbags blowing up in your face. :P
That's only if you get one of dem new fangled trucks, or one of dem foreign jobs
The National Guard is replacing OHP on some turnpikes.
So, what beer can you drink under Martial Law? :P
Quote from: patric on February 01, 2011, 06:59:33 PM
The National Guard is replacing OHP on some turnpikes.
So, what beer can you drink under Martial Law? :P
Marshall? Oh...
Quote from: dbacks fan on February 01, 2011, 05:15:01 PM
Algore has spoken, it's officially global warming:
http://blog.algore.com/2011/02/an_answer_for_bill.html (http://blog.algore.com/2011/02/an_answer_for_bill.html)
I'm going to take a lesson from AlGore and start profiting from Global Warming.
I'm going to start selling snow blowers.
;D
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 01, 2011, 08:16:29 PM
I'm going to take a lesson from AlGore and start profiting from Global Warming.
I'm going to start selling snow blowers.
;D
Would that be your 2 stroke Lewinsky or your 4 stroke Lewinsky?
Quote from: custosnox on February 01, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
Yer not goin fast enough. Hold my beer and let me show ye how its dun
What a slacker, needing someone to hold your beer. ;D
Quote from: Ed W on February 01, 2011, 08:20:36 PM
Would that be your 2 stroke Lewinsky or your 4 stroke Lewinsky?
2 stage, 4 stroke
Quote from: ZYX on February 01, 2011, 04:33:23 PM
The plows always block the entrance to our neighborhood in Bixby. Even our SUV does not seem to want to go through a four foot tall wall of snow.
That has been one good thing about not plowing Memorial, no plow berm to cross.
Route planning advice: I'm gonna try for work this morning . . . I'm in midtown around the fairgrounds, hoping to get to 71st and 169. Are the expressways cleared at all? Are major arterials? Anyone know anything about getting around at this point?
Quote from: we vs us on February 02, 2011, 06:00:04 AM
Route planning advice: I'm gonna try for work this morning . . . I'm in midtown around the fairgrounds, hoping to get to 71st and 169. Are the expressways cleared at all? Are major arterials? Anyone know anything about getting around at this point?
What do you drive....
Quote from: Breadburner on February 02, 2011, 07:39:00 AM
What do you drive....
4wd Honda CRV. It's a smaller SUV but clearance is good.
Quote from: we vs us on February 02, 2011, 07:51:08 AM
4wd Honda CRV. It's a smaller SUV but clearance is good.
I can work from home, so I'm going to. I watched a neighbor of mine attempt to get his Tacoma out of his yard yesterday, and futility ensued. His has a hell of a lot more ground clearance than mine.
I got about 1/2 way out of my driveway before getting stuck. Had to dig my way back to the parking spot. Even if I got out of the driveway, the 10" deep snow between the SUV tire ruts is too deep for my car.
KOTV just showed a guy and his "Smart" car.... stuck
You are not what you drive.
Moran!
Quote from: we vs us on February 02, 2011, 07:51:08 AM
4wd Honda CRV. It's a smaller SUV but clearance is good.
Well....You have a chance if you know what your doing.....
Later today I'll be out digging a path all the way to 71st if I have to. I can't go another day without working. Going to be fun with my little ole Nissan.
Price gouging began last night.
Monday I bought gas at QT for $2.79, and Tuesday it jumped to $3.09.
Quote from: patric on February 02, 2011, 10:14:21 AM
Price gouging began last night.
Monday I bought gas at QT for $2.79, and Tuesday it jumped to $3.09.
Really? Last I saw it was 2.89, which was the standard 10 cent increase. Somehow I'm guessing that QT would be the last company that would engage in that, given that there are laws on the Oklahoma books that could get them fined for it.
Quote from: patric on February 02, 2011, 10:14:21 AM
Price gouging began last night.
Monday I bought gas at QT for $2.79, and Tuesday it jumped to $3.09.
Actually it began on Monday evening. Jumped $.10 to $2.89 for regular. I got some for the generator. Car was already full.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 02, 2011, 10:16:07 AM
Actually it began on Monday evening. Jumped $.10 to $2.89 for regular. I got some for the generator. Car was already full.
Saw the price on a live shot at 21st and Memorial last night. $3.09
Quote from: custosnox on February 02, 2011, 10:06:13 AM
Later today I'll be out digging a path all the way to 71st if I have to. I can't go another day without working. Going to be fun with my little ole Nissan.
It will be melted or sublimated by the time I could dig to Memorial, almost 1/2 mile.
Deere has a 44" snowblower attachment that fits our garden tractor but I'll bet it's pricey, especially for how often I would need it.
Quote from: patric on February 02, 2011, 10:21:32 AM
Saw the price on a live shot at 21st and Memorial last night. $3.09
3.09 for premium maybe. All the live shots I saw showed 2.89 (Channel 2 doing their remotes near the QT across the street from them).
TulsaGasPrices.com don't show that either (granted those are people who submit prices, they're usually pretty accurate).
I have a full tank of gas though. And I'm not getting out in this to verify. If someone else that has been out can verify what QT's going rate is, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.
FYI, the trip to work was surprisingly smooth. The ticket is being able to get out of the neighborhoods, which are just awful. But major surface arterials are clear and only slightly slick. If you're easy on the accelerator and don't mind taking your time things move really well. Things to dodge include: people in trucks who don't know how to drive; people walking to and from the nearest QuikTrip; and stranded cars, sometime jutting all the way out into the roadway.
My route: 15th to Yale, Yale south to 51st, 51st to Garnett, Garnett to 71st.
Quote from: we vs us on February 02, 2011, 11:13:19 AM
FYI, the trip to work was surprisingly smooth. The ticket is being able to get out of the neighborhoods, which are just awful. But major surface arterials are clear and only slightly slick. If you're easy on the accelerator and don't mind taking your time things move really well. Things to dodge include: people in trucks who don't know how to drive; people walking to and from the nearest QuikTrip; and stranded cars, sometime jutting all the way out into the roadway.
My route: 15th to Yale, Yale south to 51st, 51st to Garnett, Garnett to 71st.
Good Jorb.....
I've been spending my time on "productive" things.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5095/5409016532_e73110e5ba.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/5409016532/)
AT-AT Approaching Rebel Base (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/5409016532/) by sgrizzle (http://www.flickr.com/people/sgrizzle/), on Flickr
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5057/5408406765_7b6ae0201a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/5408406765/)
Oh No! Save Luke! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/5408406765/) by sgrizzle (http://www.flickr.com/people/sgrizzle/), on Flickr
Needs more Tauntaun.
Is anybody else as bored as I am today? Can't leave the house, and stuff inside is getting old. I love snow, but I think I have cabin fever.
sgrizzle, ha ha.
Quote from: Hoss on February 02, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
3.09 for premium maybe. All the live shots I saw showed 2.89 (Channel 2 doing their remotes near the QT across the street from them).
TulsaGasPrices.com don't show that either (granted those are people who submit prices, they're usually pretty accurate).
I have a full tank of gas though. And I'm not getting out in this to verify. If someone else that has been out can verify what QT's going rate is, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.
It was $2.89 around 1pm yesterday when NWS was measuring snowfall in their parking lot. They got the QT sign in the background of their shot. :D
I recall it being $2.89 around noon yesterday at the QTs on 11th, also.
If you're in a mini-SUV like a CR-V or RAV4, you might be able to get around if you get out of whatever drift you're parked in, but you absolutely must use the space already cleared by the F350s of the world.
Quote from: sgrizzle on February 02, 2011, 12:34:53 PM
I've been spending my time on "productive" things.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5095/5409016532_e73110e5ba.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/5409016532/)
AT-AT Approaching Rebel Base (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/5409016532/) by sgrizzle (http://www.flickr.com/people/sgrizzle/), on Flickr
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5057/5408406765_7b6ae0201a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/5408406765/)
Oh No! Save Luke! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/5408406765/) by sgrizzle (http://www.flickr.com/people/sgrizzle/), on Flickr
And of course I had to go the AT-ST route, so it doesn't go well with the snow.
Quote from: nathanm on February 02, 2011, 12:54:42 PM
It was $2.89 around 1pm yesterday when NWS was measuring snowfall in their parking lot. They got the QT sign in the background of their shot. :D I recall it being $2.89 around noon yesterday at the QTs on 11th, also.
Saw it around 9pm, but the shot was tight and *might* just have been premium instead of reg...
Jenks Schools closed tomorrow, some districts are already closing for Friday.
Both QT stores on 11th are still at $2.89, FWIW.
Quote from: ZYX on February 02, 2011, 12:48:25 PM
Is anybody else as bored as I am today? Can't leave the house, and stuff inside is getting old. I love snow, but I think I have cabin fever.
You should try three months of 114+ to define cabin fever. I understand the Tulsa area shutting down with the record snow and now the cold behind it, grew up there. And before anyone slams me I chose to move here.
Glad to see that my friends here, and on FB, are doing well, and that all of you know how to prepare and deal with things like this, remind me of where I'm from, and aren't like some of the unprepared idiots here.
Best wishes to all of you, and from what I've read you guys were ready for this.
A virtual Marshall's to you all. CHEERS!
Tried to go out to dinner tonight...nowhere was open. We were forced to resort to the McDonald's on 121st. The owner was there working and was really nice. It was kinda funny though because he had just been sledding with his kids right beside us. The place was really busy, probably because NOBODY else was open. Oh well, guess I'll try again tomorrow.
As I sit here in the office I just stepped out on the porch to see a CoT crew with a truck and a Bobcat preparing to run up and down my street. Now, getting out of my driveway will be a chore since I destroyed my snow shovel on the second swipe Tuesday morning (grrr); I may still just stay in tomorrow since I can work from home.
EDIT: Well, it appears they only had the Bobcat there for show; all they were doing was working on a hydrant valve. Then they took off.
Anybody know of a hardware store that has snow shovels in stock closer than broken arrow? Mine's starting to develop a good sized crack and I don't want to end up without one given the continued chances for snow later in the week.
Quote from: nathanm on February 03, 2011, 11:17:45 AM
Anybody know of a hardware store that has snow shovels in stock closer than broken arrow? Mine's starting to develop a good sized crack and I don't want to end up without one given the continued chances for snow later in the week.
We got one over at ace on 91st and Memorial. Good metal one.
I watched my wife shovel the entire driveway and street all the way to the corner yesterday from the comfort of my snuggie.
Quote from: Gaspar on February 03, 2011, 11:25:00 AM
We got one over at ace on 91st and Memorial. Good metal one.
I watched my wife shovel the entire driveway and street all the way to the corner yesterday from the comfort of my snuggie.
That's a man with hand.
Quote from: DTowner on February 03, 2011, 02:22:14 PM
That's a man with hand.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnr_YRIjbbJP6_NlqlbP6poQua_13BIXBz0dGcqMbgRugCMvqb)
Quote from: DTowner on February 03, 2011, 02:22:14 PM
That's a man with hand.
You mean this guy?
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kallsop2/albundy.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g3tQaqizh0
Well finally tried to get out. Decided to do a little test drive around the block to see how the ol truck would handle in this snow. Made it out of the driveway,,,,, promptly got stuck in the road in front of the house,,,,, then it took about 15minutes or so to get out of the middle of the road and back into the driveway. :P
Sigh... will try putting some weight in the back of the truck and give it a go tomorrow. Keeping fingers crossed and hoping a random snowplow will go down the street.
Quote from: TheArtist on February 03, 2011, 04:48:24 PM
Well finally tried to get out. Decided to do a little test drive around the block to see how the ol truck would handle in this snow. Made it out of the driveway,,,,, promptly got stuck in the road in front of the house,,,,, then it took about 15minutes or so to get out of the middle of the road and back into the driveway. :P
Sigh... will try putting some weight in the back of the truck and give it a go tomorrow. Keeping fingers crossed and hoping a random snowplow will go down the street.
Interesting. Got the Avenger out today for about a 1.5 mile jaunt to the QT at Pine and Mingo which included navigating the Traffic Circle. The neighborhood was not fun. This car has a sports suspension so I feel every rut. It did ok as far as traction goes, but the crews still have a LONG way to go to get them drivable. I'm likely still staying in tomorrow, but know now that I can at least make the attempt. I saw no less than 4 abandoned vehicles on my short journey.
After looking at the weather models for the next week, I thought I'd see if I can find some tire chains. Even Amazon says no go for my size, except for the cheapest, junkiest chain they sell that's only good up to 30mph. :P
Artist,
If you have a pickup truck, get out there with your shovel. Fill up the back with what you are shoveling out of your drive and street. Costs nothing and it unloads itself when the time is right.
And it weighs a lot.
Quote from: nathanm on February 03, 2011, 07:10:55 PM
After looking at the weather models for the next week, I thought I'd see if I can find some tire chains. Even Amazon says no go for my size, except for the cheapest, junkiest chain they sell that's only good up to 30mph. :P
Yeah, they're saying additionally another 1-2 inches. Under normal circumstances, I'd say 'meh'? But right now? Gack!
Oh well, at least I got out for 30 minutes and broke the cabin fever.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on February 03, 2011, 07:17:09 PM
Artist,
If you have a pickup truck, get out there with your shovel. Fill up the back with what you are shoveling out of your drive and street. Costs nothing and it unloads itself when the time is right.
And it weighs a lot.
Saw a lot of trucks driving my street with mounds of snow in them. I'm guessing this is good advice.
Next vehicle I purchase will likely be a larger truck.
I shoveled a groove to drive through and got probably close to 1,500 lbs on the back of the truck. It sat down about 3 inches from normal. Much better driving.
I made my jaunt to la fortune and back yesterday, so I knew I could get out. Got the call this afternoon that they were opening up and needed me to come in, so got out and went. Didn't have any real problems unitl I got downtown. Once there, it's pretty much just make sure the street your going to turn down has had some clearing, or at least enough traffic to pack it down. Of course I didn't do this, and got onto one road where I had to run a red light to make sure I didn't loose momentum, else I would have gotten stuck. Made damn sure it was clear before I did though.
Quote from: nathanm on February 03, 2011, 07:10:55 PM
After looking at the weather models for the next week, I thought I'd see if I can find some tire chains. Even Amazon says no go for my size, except for the cheapest, junkiest chain they sell that's only good up to 30mph. :P
Where do you go to check said models? I got really sick of hearing the NWS forecast again and again for the blizzard and really wanted a good weather blog to walk me through all the different the scenarios. Do you have a site you visit or something?
Quote from: we vs us on February 04, 2011, 05:30:23 AM
Where do you go to check said models? I got really sick of hearing the NWS forecast again and again for the blizzard and really wanted a good weather blog to walk me through all the different the scenarios. Do you have a site you visit or something?
There are a whole bunch. The best one, if you just want to see the GFS and NAM is twisterdata.com. Much better than the usual teensy graphics. Sadly, they only have the one long range, one mid-range model, and one short-range (RUC) model. NOAA's most recent update to the RUC (HRRR) is available at rapidrefresh.noaa.gov. It only goes out to 18 hours, though.
weather.cod.edu also has some models. Updates are a bit erratic sometimes, though. :(
Quote from: we vs us on February 04, 2011, 05:30:23 AM
Where do you go to check said models? I got really sick of hearing the NWS forecast again and again for the blizzard and really wanted a good weather blog to walk me through all the different the scenarios. Do you have a site you visit or something?
The NWS just uses an amalgamation of three or four of those models and uses their expertise to munge it all together. They were pretty close. The GFS and NAM were predicting between 16 and 20 inches of snow for Tulsa, but those two models when it comes to precip, especially snow, tend to over-predict as they did in this case. I usually knock off about 20 to 33 percent of what they say. I think NWS uses that same rule of thumb.
Heavy Snow West of town again
Quote from: Townsend on February 04, 2011, 11:21:39 AM
Heavy Snow West of town again
Heavy snow midtown. Another 1-4" possible.
--- correction: 4-6" with 3-4" likely.
Quote from: patric on February 04, 2011, 11:41:30 AM
Heavy snow midtown. Another 1-4" possible.
--- correction: 4-6" with 3-4" likely.
F me. Over
It was coming down pretty hard for a while, but it's lightened up some here. Drivers were being even stupider than usual. 15th Street is pretty much blocked somewhere just east of the BA from cars that can't make it up the hill and both Lewis and 11th are slower than molasses.
Note the forecast 7 day snowfall: 11 inches!
I love this weather! Very Cool (no pun intended)
Glad I got some more plaster mesh. Probably the most essential tool I have to keep me from getting stuck in my Accord ;D
Quote from: nathanm on February 04, 2011, 12:04:21 PM
Note the forecast 7 day snowfall: 11 inches!
You didn't just make that up, did you?
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(linked from my server so that future changes don't change the record) ;)
Quote from: nathanm on February 04, 2011, 02:01:54 PM
(http://www.nwacg.net/gallery3/var/resizes/random-stuff/StormSnowAmt.png)
(linked from my server so that future changes don't change the record) ;)
This includes all the way to next Friday, so people don't freak out. Today's map for the 24 hour period shows about 4.5 in.
Quote from: Hoss on February 04, 2011, 02:06:03 PM
This includes all the way to next Friday, so people don't freak out. Today's map for the 24 hour period shows about 4.5 in.
I'm not sure saying it's through next Friday really makes it that much better!
I was out at lunch and the new snow is making travel very difficult for any non 4-wheel drive vehicle.
Quote from: DTowner on February 04, 2011, 02:30:32 PM
I'm not sure saying it's through next Friday really makes it that much better!
I was out at lunch and the new snow is making travel very difficult for any non 4-wheel drive vehicle.
Because 7 day forecasts for winter precip are rarely accurate. Even 36 hours out they can be wildly inaccurate.
Quote from: Hoss on February 04, 2011, 02:35:34 PM
Because 7 day forecasts for winter precip are rarely accurate. Even 36 hours out they can be wildly inaccurate.
There is considerable uncertainty as to the precipitation type saturday into sunday, yes. Not as much with next week. If it precipitates, it will probably be snow.
Generally speaking, the problem with winter weather forecasts (especially around here) is the temperature profile of the atmosphere. When it's clearly going to be cold, they're much less likely to get it dramatically wrong. When it's right at freezing, it can be impossible to tell exactly what's going to happen until it starts happening. :P
Sometime between 9AM and 11AM this morning I got some mail! I've got no idea how the mail person has managed to get into my neighborhood in that little Grumman LLV with 8 inch wheels, but apparently somebody managed it..
My in-laws visited us yesterday, on their way back to Minnesota after visiting family in Phoenix. Against my advice they decided to divert over to Oklahoma before heading north. They are in their late 60's and I feared for their safety travelling through western OK to OKC then northward to Tulsa. It seemed to me that with the additional 3-4inches of snow yesterday and more cars out on the road that the roads were even worse than before. Nonetheless, they showed little hesitance.
According to them Western OK was no problem and OKC didn't get hit as hard as we did. Either they handled it better or the weather men exaggerated. They said the roads were fine till they got near the end of the turnpike where they started to notice semi's stuck on exit ramps. The closer in they got, the more abandoned vehicles they saw. However, they drove straight to our old town neighborhood and up my 45 degree driveway without a sweat. Their car is a new Honda CRV with some kind of AWD/FWD system and of course, he's used to harsh winters.
He says, "Looks like you had a little snow, eh?" Yeah, compared to Chicago or Minnie. I think we've done pretty well considering it was a record snowfall with equipment designed for average conditions. He agreed, noting that even in Minnie with the tremendous investment in combating the weather, they still struggle to keep moving.
We went to dinner in Brookside cause the roads seemed clearer there than Cherry Street or downtown.
How many folks here are getting mail and trash pick up services? I have not had trash pick up in 9 days (2 dates missed) and no mail since I think Monday.
Quote from: guido911 on February 05, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
How many folks here are getting mail and trash pick up services? I have not had trash pick up in 9 days (2 dates missed) and no mail since I think Monday.
Nothing, no mail, no trash and no UPS
Quote from: guido911 on February 05, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
How many folks here are getting mail and trash pick up services? I have not had trash pick up in 9 days (2 dates missed) and no mail since I think Monday.
Funny you mention that, he-who-won't-reply-directly-to-my-posts.
I got my first mail service today since Monday. 1 piece of mail. I'm sure that's not right.
And the CoT has been informative about trash pickup service. I'm twice weekly (Monday and Thursday). Monday obviously was picked up. Thursday, just as obviously wasn't, as they said it wouldn't be.
But I forget you live in Bixby.
Havent' had any mail since Monday. Got one package floating around here in Tulsa, but can't seem to make it to my place. Got another package stuck in Boston, don't see that one going anywhere soon, and since it is the other part of the first package, not too worried about the first. Trash in the complex hasn't ran, but doesn't matter much anyways since no one wanted to lift the snow covered lid to dumpster and has just been tossing the trash on the ground around it, which I know the trash company won't pick up.
No trash service yesterday, but we got some mail.
However, we go no mail today.
I can't recall the absence of these services being this bad during the ice storm. Was it? In my neighborhood, we paid to have our streets cleaned and still no services which, by the way, have already been paid for.
Quote from: guido911 on February 05, 2011, 08:41:57 PM
I can't recall the absence of these services being this bad during the ice storm. Was it? In my neighborhood, we paid to have our streets cleaned and still no services which, by the way, have already been paid for.
I'm just going to guess because they might not be able to get into or out of the landfills because of the amount of snow?
Quote from: dbacks fan on February 05, 2011, 08:54:15 PM
I'm just going to guess because they might not be able to get into or out of the landfills because of the amount of snow?
Not sure since there were other trash removal companies picking up in my neighborhood. I wonder if my trash pick up company will charge me when they did not pick up. We'll see I guess.
Quote from: guido911 on February 05, 2011, 09:07:03 PM
Not sure since there were other trash removal companies picking up in my neighborhood. I wonder if my trash pick up company will charge me when they did not pick up. We'll see I guess.
As I said it was a guess based on if they are still using the landfill off of 46th st north in the old strip pits. Could it be that the ones that were picking up are contracted with the TTE plant?
Thinking about getting into and out of the strip pit site, I know they have the equipment there to clear the access to the site reminded me of the old VW commercial that went "Ever wonder how the snow plow driver gets to work?"
Quote from: dbacks fan on February 05, 2011, 09:22:16 PM
As I said it was a guess based on if they are still using the landfill off of 46th st north in the old strip pits. Could it be that the ones that were picking up are contracted with the TTE plant?
Thinking about getting into and out of the strip pit site, I know they have the equipment there to clear the access to the site reminded me of the old VW commercial that went "Ever wonder how the snow plow driver gets to work?"
Noticed how the snow in that commercial looked nothing like what we have been putting up with. If we could drive across the top of it, I don't think we would have no where near as many cars stuck.
Quote from: custosnox on February 05, 2011, 10:19:28 PM
Noticed how the snow in that commercial looked nothing like what we have been putting up with. If we could drive across the top of it, I don't think we would have no where near as many cars stuck.
If today's cars weighed what a Beetle did, they probably could drive over the top without sinking in! ;)
Quote from: nathanm on February 05, 2011, 10:32:15 PM
If today's cars weighed what a Beetle did, they probably could drive over the top without sinking in! ;)
My first car was a Beetle. I've owned two in my life, both of them 1972's, a regular (my first) and a Super Beetle. Wish I had that '72 Super Beetle sometimes. Never got stuck in the snow with either one.
Our area requires the carrier to go up and down steps and driveways to reach the homes and it is fairly hilly. We have been getting delivery the last few days but he is getting stuck a lot.
We have had no trash pickup since the storm started.
Forecast of 4 to 10 inches for Tuesday night.
Quote from: Townsend on February 06, 2011, 09:35:25 AM
Forecast of 4 to 10 inches for Tuesday night.
Stop. Just . . . stop.
Quote from: nathanm on February 05, 2011, 10:32:15 PM
If today's cars weighed what a Beetle did, they probably could drive over the top without sinking in! ;)
The (relatively) large diameter, skinny tires were probably better in snow that the wide tires we all like so much now.
People apparently don't know the rocking method of freeing your car. I keep seeing morons who can get their car to move a few feet forward and backward but can't get out.
Forward-reverse-forward-reverse in quick succession until your momentum builds enough to get out. It's not that difficult.
Our last scheduled once weekly trash pickup was last Monday and it was done. We'll see if they pick up tomorrow. We sometimes get missed even in good weather.
We had mail in the mailbox by the street on Saturday but before our regular delivery time. I had shoveled a path from the edge of the packed snow in the street to the mailbox on Thursday. I don't know if it was a late Friday or early Saturday delivery. Part of the mail was mail order prescription medicine. That may have been a factor. Yesterday I shoveled a section for the postal delivery person to drive to the mailbox without having to get out of the truck.
My family's annual ski trip is later this week. I hope Tulsa International is open.
Quote from: guido911 on February 06, 2011, 12:07:00 PM
My family's annual ski trip is later this week. I hope Tulsa International is open.
My cousin flew in from a ski trip wed and landed at TUL. She posted this photo from the window of the plane
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss9/custosnox/TUL-Snow.jpg)
NWS estimate for next week's snowstorm:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/237125755.png?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1297021615&Signature=a2r3Fk8ZXf%2Fj94wDg%2FZSn75CUhE%3D)
I expect a dramatic change. The models are all over the freakin' place. The NAM shows around a foot here. GFS shows around 6 inches, as it's taking the storm further south..
Has anyone seen all the school closings for tomorrow? This is getting downright ridiculous.
Quote from: custosnox on February 06, 2011, 12:26:05 PM
My cousin flew in from a ski trip wed and landed at TUL. She posted this photo from the window of the plane
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss9/custosnox/TUL-Snow.jpg)
I will be "camping out" at the Airport Radisson on Tues & Wed. so there is no chance of me missing my flight because I am snowed in. Now, let's hope the flight isn't canceled.
Quote from: guido911 on February 06, 2011, 06:37:40 PM
Has anyone seen all the school closings for tomorrow? This is getting downright ridiculous.
The neighborhood streets are still completely trashed. I was slipping and sliding a lot more today than yesterday. Ice with a thin layer of snow is far preferable to ice with a thin layer of slush.
I wouldn't be surprised to see spring break canceled if the parents don't get too upset about the idea...
Quote from: nathanm on February 06, 2011, 06:45:06 PM
The neighborhood streets are still completely trashed. I was slipping and sliding a lot more today than yesterday. Ice with a thin layer of snow is far preferable to ice with a thin layer of slush.
I wouldn't be surprised to see spring break canceled if the parents don't get too upset about the idea...
Well my kids have school tomorrow. Roads can't be that bad.
Quote from: guido911 on February 06, 2011, 06:53:35 PM
Well my kids have school tomorrow. Roads can't be that bad.
Come drive around my neighborhood and tell me that. Most TPS schools aren't on main roads and most of the kids walk to school.
Just from curiosity, I looked for something describing the average thickness of the ice during the last ice age:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter9.asp (http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter9.asp)
"It may seem impossible to calculate the thickness of the ice sheets at the peak of the Ice Age, but there is a method that can be used to provide a ballpark average....Based on maximum and minimum values for the proportion of the moisture to fall on the ice sheet, I obtained for the Northern Hemisphere a minimum depth of 1,700 feet (500 m) and a maximum depth of 2,970 feet (900 m). Using variables for the mid range, I estimated an average depth of 2,300 feet (700 m). The average yearly precipitation over the ice sheets would have been 55 inches/year (1.4 m/yr). This rate is three times the current average precipitation over land north of 40°N."
(Emphasis added.)
So, in keeping with this geological perspective, Tulsa's recent 14" snowfall is nothing.
Quote from: nathanm on February 06, 2011, 07:16:01 PM
Come drive around my neighborhood and tell me that. Most TPS schools aren't on main roads and most of the kids walk to school.
I live in a subdivision about five miles from my kids' school. I know family's that live much farther away (1 family living south of Bixby) and in very remote areas. How close is the school near your neighborhood?
Didn't you say that you and your neighbors paid for someone to plow your streets? If so, you're right. The roads aren't going to be very bad in your neighborhood. And if your kids go to the private school about 5 miles from where you are, they had their drive cleared on Wednesday or Thursday, and given the state of the rest of the arterials, I expect you'll have smooth sailing to take your kids to school. Good for you.
Some of the rest of us aren't in that position.
I don't know about you, but I got over 17" in our two rounds of snow, which has packed down to between 3 and 4 inches of ice on the streets in my neighborhood, plus whatever slush is on top. Not really something you want kids walking on or parents driving on if not absolutely necessary.
Not to mention the number of people who have children in public schools that rely on the school bus for their kids school transportation. I wouldn't want to trust the under trained bus drivers to drive my kids on the neighborhood streets.
Quote from: nathanm on February 06, 2011, 09:49:10 PM
Didn't you say that you and your neighbors paid for someone to plow your streets? If so, you're right. The roads aren't going to be very bad in your neighborhood. And if your kids go to the private school about 5 miles from where you are, they had their drive cleared on Wednesday or Thursday, and given the state of the rest of the arterials, I expect you'll have smooth sailing to take your kids to school. Good for you.
Some of the rest of us aren't in that position.
I don't know about you, but I got over 17" in our two rounds of snow, which has packed down to between 3 and 4 inches of ice on the streets in my neighborhood, plus whatever slush is on top. Not really something you want kids walking on or parents driving on if not absolutely necessary.
How far is your local elementary school from your neighborhood?
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 09:10:58 AM
How far is your local elementary school from your neighborhood?
Depends on where in my neighborhood. From me, about a mile. From the farthest reaches of the neighborhood association, about two. And the elementary school serving my neighborhood is one of the few on a main road.
Regardless, getting out of the neighborhood is still dicey without 4wd, despite the melting. There's still too much solid ice underneath the slush. If it were going to stay above freezing, I think it would get reasonable by Wednesday. That said, my particular neighborhood is irrelevant.
And why TF are you complaining about what TPS is doing when your kids don't even go to TPS? (for that matter, why am I defending TPS when I don't even have kids?)
Yep midtown streets are trashed. It would be a major CF trying to get kids and teachers to and from school, especially with the number of people who have no clue how to drive on slick roads
Quote from: nathanm on February 07, 2011, 09:27:45 AM
Depends on where in my neighborhood. From me, about a mile. From the farthest reaches of the neighborhood association, about two. And the elementary school serving my neighborhood is one of the few on a main road.
Regardless, getting out of the neighborhood is still dicey without 4wd, despite the melting. There's still too much solid ice underneath the slush. If it were going to stay above freezing, I think it would get reasonable by Wednesday. That said, my particular neighborhood is irrelevant.
And why TF are you complaining about what TPS is doing when your kids don't even go to TPS? (for that matter, why am I defending TPS when I don't even have kids?)
Who said anything about TPS but YOU. Freakin Jenks and Union is closed. I have a Jenks school 1.5 miles from me and its closed. As for caring in general, while my kids are in private school, I still pay to educate other families' kids in public schools though taxation. Or do I not get an opinion?
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 09:45:28 AM
Who said anything about TPS but YOU. Freakin Jenks and Union is closed. I have a Jenks school 1.5 miles from me and its closed. As for caring in general, while my kids are in private school, I still pay to educate other families' kids in public schools though taxation. Or do I not get an opinion?
You do realize that they still go the same number of days, right? So why do you have to complain?
There is a potential upside to this crappy weather and school closings in this country: spring break could be wiped out as make up days. Maybe less of a CF on my upcoming Mexico cruise.
Quote from: custosnox on February 07, 2011, 09:50:18 AM
You do realize that they still go the same number of days, right? So why do you have to complain?
My whole point is that if my kids' school and its families can tough it out, why can't Jenks or Union? Heck, as I wrote in another thread, I have had no mail delivery and trash pick up since the snow came down. It's like this whole area doesn't know what to do when bad weather comes.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 09:56:32 AM
My whole point is that if my kids' school and its families can tough it out, why can't Jenks or Union? Heck, as I wrote in another thread, I have had no mail delivery and trash pick up since the snow came down. It's like this whole area doesn't know what to do when bad weather comes.
One child's death results from a school bus crash and heads would roll. "Why were schools in session?" would be all over the news. Then someone would be looking at lawsuits. I figure that's a reason why.
Holland Hall being in session doesn't create the traffic issues that'd be created if TPS/Jenks/Union were all in session.
I think I heard on the news that some of the older buildings were being checked for structural integrity.
Quote from: Townsend on February 07, 2011, 10:10:22 AM
One child's death results from a school bus crash and heads would roll. "Why were schools in session?" would be all over the news. Then someone would be looking at lawsuits. I figure that's a reason why.
Holland Hall being in session doesn't create the traffic issues that'd be created if TPS/Jenks/Union were all in session.
I think I heard on the news that some of the older buildings were being checked for structural integrity.
You apparently haven't seen the CF on 81st street lately.
I guess being from up north has poisoned my sense of reality down here. Sheesh, some snow and apparently the whole town shuts down for a damned week. No school. No mail. No trash pick up. I just thank God we didn't lose power with this snow because I do not know what would have happened.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR73XgOn65KVgAGBswkBR7isz071_4CjAMQwP8TbJXAcF1u5ORO)
As a note, I think Bixby Public Schools are open today.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 10:31:11 AM
As a note, I think Bixby Public Schools are open today.
Nope, they're still closed
http://www.bixbyps.org/education/district/district.php?sectionid=1 (http://www.bixbyps.org/education/district/district.php?sectionid=1)
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 10:31:11 AM
You apparently haven't seen the CF on 81st street lately.
I guess being from up north has poisoned my sense of reality down here. Sheesh, some snow and apparently the whole town shuts down for a damned week. No school. No mail. No trash pick up. I just thank God we didn't lose power with this snow because I do not know what would have happened.
As a note, I think Bixby Public Schools are open today.
Well if those reasons don't make sense to you I'm sure there are others.
I'm from the North as well. We never had snow days. My small town had a huge amount of snow equipment.
I guess more of the tax payer money went to school upkeep and not to women's prisons and massive street repairs into enormous suburbs.
I never remember anyone being afraid of the school roof caving in.
The town where I was a kid (Near Philly, PA) had plows on all sorts of trucks. I remember seeing a plow on a trash truck.
Quote from: joiei on February 07, 2011, 10:50:56 AM
Nope, they're still closed
http://www.bixbyps.org/education/district/district.php?sectionid=1 (http://www.bixbyps.org/education/district/district.php?sectionid=1)
I went to KRMG's page and Bixby was not listed.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 07, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
I remember seeing a plow on a trash truck.
I saw that up in my small town in Illinois. How bad is southern Bixby?
You haven't been in some of the older Bixby schools if you're not worried about the roof caving in. The new schools are really nice. The older ones not so much.
Quote from: ZYX on February 07, 2011, 11:07:16 AM
You haven't been in some of the older Bixby schools.
You are correct sir.
I was forced to venture out last Friday to run an errand over near 61st and Mingo. Decided the route with the least hills was to take the Creek Turnpike. Had to laugh when the 2 most clear patches of road I drove on the entire trip were the on and off ramps to the turnpike around the toll booths off Riverside.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 11:06:43 AM
I saw that up in my small town in Illinois. How bad is southern Bixby?
I haven't even been as far south as 121st.
Huzzah!! UPS is running. I got my trigger mounted red laser sight.
On the good side, were the neighbors that were walking up and down helping push people stuck in the residental street by day.
On the bad side was (possibly a different neighbor) an ATV late Sunday night racing around the neighborhood and trying to force people into snow banks and ditches. The two I saw on one ATV tried it twice as I was driving home late from work, first failing in a head-on run, then wheeling about to try and overtake my driver side.
Mad Max on Ice. My truck could have crushed them, but I suspect they were artificially invincible.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 09:56:32 AM
My whole point is that if my kids' school and its families can tough it out, why can't Jenks or Union? Heck, as I wrote in another thread, I have had no mail delivery and trash pick up since the snow came down. It's like this whole area doesn't know what to do when bad weather comes.
Ask Holland Hall why they're endangering their kids? We simply don't have the equipment that cities that regularly see 18 inches of snow in a week do. Hell, a lot of northern cities have trouble when as much comes down at once as did last week. Sure, not for as long, but they have two or three times the snow-clearing equipment.
By the way, I've been getting mail since Saturday and I got a trash pickup today, so I missed exactly one trash pickup (Thursday) and 3 days (Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday) of mail. I don't think there's much to complain about there. It's not like UPS or FedEx have been running with no delays, either (UPS was delivering packages on Saturday to try to catch up). People are still getting stuck left and right in my neighborhood, even in FWD vehicles.
Quote from: nathanm on February 07, 2011, 01:16:20 PM
Ask Holland Hall why they're endangering their kids? We simply don't have the equipment that cities that regularly see 18 inches of snow in a week do. Hell, a lot of northern cities have trouble when as much comes down at once as did last week. Sure, not for as long, but they have two or three times the snow-clearing equipment.
By the way, I've been getting mail since Saturday and I got a trash pickup today, so I missed exactly one trash pickup (Thursday) and 3 days (Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday) of mail. I don't think there's much to complain about there. It's not like UPS or FedEx have been running with no delays, either (UPS was delivering packages on Saturday to try to catch up). People are still getting stuck left and right in my neighborhood, even in FWD vehicles.
Have you been down south of 81st st. since this storm hit?
As for services, no mail since last Monday (Tues., Wed., Thurs., Fri., and Sat.) and missed 2 trash pick ups. As for my trash collection service, I am probably going to terminate my contract with them.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 09:56:32 AM
My whole point is that if my kids' school and its families can tough it out, why can't Jenks or Union? Heck, as I wrote in another thread, I have had no mail delivery and trash pick up since the snow came down. It's like this whole area doesn't know what to do when bad weather comes.
As I pointed out on the previous comment, many families in public schools rely on the bus for transportation. Would you really trust the bus drivers in our school systems to drive your kids around town?
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 01:29:44 PM
Have you been down south of 81st st. since this storm hit?
Actually, yes. I was as far south as 91st on Thursday. I happened to drive past Holland Hall, actually. That's how I know they already had their drive plowed. :P
The farthest south I've been since then was 61st this morning, though. If it'll make you feel better, I'll drive by Holland Hall again later..it's only a couple of miles out of my way, after all.
I guess I just don't understand what exactly it is you're complaining about? Your crappy trash hauler? The mail service in Bixby? The fact that it took a day and a half after the snow stopped to make CoT's arterials passable?
(I was mistaken, btw, I got no mail on Tuesday, so it was 4 days)
Tuesday:
(http://www.nwacg.net/gallery3/var/resizes/2011-Tulsa-Blizzard/DSC_8795.JPG?m=1296586217)
Thursday:
(http://www.nwacg.net/gallery3/var/resizes/2011-Tulsa-Blizzard/20110203_001.jpg?m=1296848092)
I don't have a pic of 11th on Wednesday night, unfortunately. By that point they had a lane and a half clear.
Quote from: nathanm on February 07, 2011, 01:59:15 PM
I guess I just don't understand what exactly it is you're complaining about? Your crappy trash hauler? The mail service in Bixby? The fact that it took a day and a half after the snow stopped to make CoT's arterials passable?
...that nathanm's cruising Holland Hall?
Quote from: nathanm on February 07, 2011, 01:59:15 PM
Actually, yes. I was as far south as 91st on Thursday. I happened to drive past Holland Hall, actually. That's how I know they already had their drive plowed. :P
The farthest south I've been since then was 61st this morning, though. If it'll make you feel better, I'll drive by Holland Hall again later..it's only a couple of miles out of my way, after all.
I guess I just don't understand what exactly it is you're complaining about? Your crappy trash hauler? The mail service in Bixby? The fact that it took a day and a half after the snow stopped to make CoT's arterials passable?
Then you should know that my kids' lives were not endangered by going to school. Neither would the lives of kids going to Jenks and Bixby. I am middle aged (not an old fuddy whatever by any means). But I guess I am from the old school that snow should not result in a free week's vacation for the kids and public employees (I see on social networks numerous teachers celebrating snow days). I cannot recall ever having more than three snow days in a row off of school when I was a kid. How about you Red? joeie?
As for driving by HH, I advise you not to do so between 2:30-3:30. It will be a clusterf**k of mammoth proportions.
CUST: I have no experience with school bus drivers, or their driving issues, as I don't have any use for buses. But if they are that bad, why do parent's allow their kids to get on board in good weather? Are these parents not endangering their safety by exposing them to a known risk?
Quote from: Townsend on February 07, 2011, 02:13:32 PM
...that nathanm's cruising Holland Hall?
I think you were the one with a family connection to HH. I did not know until yesterday that HH does not make up snow days. Apparently they pile up the school work--along with blog posting homework assignments on snow days.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
But I guess I am from the old school that snow should not result in a free week's vacation for the kids and public employees (I see on social networks numerous teachers celebrating snow days).
They've gotta make all but 3 up sometime this year in TPS.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 02:21:06 PM
I think you were the one with a family connection to HH. I did not know until yesterday that HH does not make up snow days. Apparently they pile up the school work--along with blog posting homework assignments on snow days.
Yes, the wife.
She doesn't remember snow days. She remembers alot of kids getting there when they could get there but she def remembers going in snow.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
Then you should know that my kids' lives were not endangered by going to school. Neither would the lives of kids going to Jenks and Bixby. I am middle aged (not an old fuddy whatever by any means). But I guess I am from the old school that snow should not result in a free week's vacation for the kids and public employees (I see on social networks numerous teachers celebrating snow days). I cannot recall ever having more than three snow days in a row off of school when I was a kid. How about you Red? joeie?
As for driving by HH, I advise you not to do so between 2:30-3:30. It will be a clusterf**k of mammoth proportions.
CUST: I have no experience with school bus drivers, or their driving issues, as I don't have any use for buses. But if they are that bad, why do parent's allow their kids to get on board in good weather? Are these parents not endangering their safety by exposing them to a known risk?
My daughter had a teacher at Jenks give what seems most reasonable as the real scoop about why snow days are so much more common now.
The schools are really strapped for cash as everyone knows, they need every dime they can get.
Jenks knows that in the past in bad weather absenteeism was always much higher than normal. But the state gives the schools money based on Average Daily Attendance (ADA).
Snow days don't cost the district anything because they just make the time up later so they don't count against ADA. So if the district can get a higher attendance rate by canceling school now and having an extra day later in the year than they would during a snow event, then the district will have a higher ADA and get more money from the state.
Makes perfect sense.
Quote from: swake on February 07, 2011, 02:51:09 PM
My daughter had a teacher at Jenks give what seems most reasonable as the real scoop about why snow days are so much more common now.
The schools are really strapped for cash as everyone knows, they need every dime they can get.
Jenks knows that in the past in bad weather absenteeism was always much higher than normal. But the state gives the schools money based on Average Daily Attendance (ADA).
Snow days don't cost the district anything because they just make the time up later so they don't count against ADA. So if the district can get a higher attendance rate by canceling school now and having an extra day later in the year than they would during a snow event, then the district will have a higher ADA and get more money from the state.
Very informative.
And look! It's not the damn facebookin', hot-chocolate-sippin', snuggie-wearin', couch-sittin' public school teachers taking the opportunity to keep our children from their learnin' for a full week. For once they're relatively blameless!
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
I cannot recall ever having more than three snow days in a row off of school when I was a kid. How about you Red? joeie?
I don't remember more than a couple of days in a row. A couple of years we had to make up days. The biggest single snow I remember was 18". We hardly ever got off for less than about 8" of snow as I remember but it was a long time ago. We didn't get much in the way of ice storms like we get around here.
There is a lot more snow in SE Penna than around here. The communitites there spend a lot more on snow removal equipment, materials and personnel. How much money do we want to spend here to be ready to clear a record snow in hours instead of a couple of days?
It's amazing how much traffic increases/decreases depending on whether school is open or not. I'd just as soon not have the extra traffic when the roads are bad.
Great! Now it's a winter weather warning. I am going to be trying to land back in Tulsa just as the storm picks up at about 8:pm.
Quote from: Gaspar on February 07, 2011, 03:54:00 PM
Great! Now it's a winter weather warning. I am going to be trying to land back in Tulsa just as the storm picks up at about 8:pm.
Wasn't much difference between the watch and the warning aside from the fact that the models started to tighten up a little. Well, maybe not so much as the NAMs 12z snowfall estimate shows 14-18 inches, but the GFS is showing 4-8. NWS split the difference a little and did some fudging and have it down to about 8 inches now.
Ok...waiting for the juvenile response(s) in regards to measurement. I bet I know who will be first.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 07, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
How much money do we want to spend here to be ready to clear a record snow in hours instead of a couple of days?
A couple of days? It's been a week and the Tulsa area is still reeling. Still, your point is well taken. However, I never thought I would find myself having to stay at a hotel at the airport out of fear of poor road conditions just so I could be sure to make a flight.
I went to Jenks from 6th through 9th and lived on a steep and slick hill (Toledo between 82nd & 85th) and took the bus to school every day as my house was about 6-7 miles from the central campus. They have alternate snow routes for buses. IIRC, I think the most we ever had was two days off. The big issue they had was making sure buses weren't sliding down hills and that the main roads were clear and safe. JPS was probably also about 1/3 to 1/2 the size it is now.
TPS just called it, no school tomorrow.
Quote from: swake on February 07, 2011, 04:20:03 PM
TPS just called it, no school tomorrow.
that will go along with Wednesday and Thursday. Not sure about Friday.
Bixby is out tomorrow. :-\
Snowfall forecast totals
http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays2.php3?STATIONID=INX (http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays2.php3?STATIONID=INX)
Currently Bixby's last day of school is June 6th. That is without anymore snowdays. Jeesh...no summer for me.
Quote from: SXSW on February 07, 2011, 05:58:52 PM
Snowfall forecast totals
http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays2.php3?STATIONID=INX (http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays2.php3?STATIONID=INX)
Those seem a little high.
Quote from: SXSW on February 07, 2011, 05:58:52 PM
Snowfall forecast totals
http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays2.php3?STATIONID=INX (http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays2.php3?STATIONID=INX)
Hasn't changed a whole lot..the heavier band moved a little further north. Keep in mind this is the NAM forecast...one for the GFS exists too and it is MUCH different for whatever reason. Though it has inched upwards a little since the previous run.
http://wxcaster.com/gis-gfs-snow-overlays2.php3?STATIONID=INX
Quote from: ZYX on February 07, 2011, 06:01:22 PM
Those seem a little high.
This was the same model run that last week nailed the amounts for Tulsa and points north (14-20 inches). I'd watch to make sure, since the GFS run had much lower numbers. The difference last week wasn't as dramatic (NAM had 14-20 where the GFS was plotting 10-14).
And keep in mind NWS forecasters use an amalgamation of several different model sources. You have to read the local AFD (Area Forecast Discussion) to see what models they're blending. Sometimes they use a local home-grown model based on years of data they have for a geographic region blended with the other computer models.
Most local meteorologists have forecasted between 5 and 10 inches. We'll never go back to school if we get 14 inches again.
Quote from: ZYX on February 07, 2011, 06:05:52 PM
Most local meteorologists have forecasted between 5 and 10 inches. We'll never go back to school if we get 14 inches again.
I never said that we would. The models suggest that's possible, so plan for it. The NAM has a swath of 14" just north of the metro, but the GFS is showing 6-8". NWS is stating 5-10"; most local TV forecasters just parrot the NWS forecast and tweak it a little so they don't appear like they're not doing their own number crunching. Remember a week before last week's storm? They were stating (including the NWS) that we would get 2-4 inches. Well, we all know what happened there. Forecasting wintry precip is harder than forecasting the path of a tornado 30 minutes in advance.
Yeah I remember last week. The forecast totals went up every day.
The News on 6 showed a model that suggested higher amounts south of Tulsa around the Bixby, Jenks, Bristow area. It showed 12 to 13 inches for these areas while only about 7 for Tulsa.
When is this suppose to start.....
Quote from: Breadburner on February 07, 2011, 07:10:02 PM
When is this suppose to start.....
Tomorrow afternoon, according to KRMG.
http://krmg.com/
Quote from: Breadburner on February 07, 2011, 07:10:02 PM
When is this suppose to start.....
Tomorrow at about 5:00 or 6:00.
ty
Holland Hall is on its normal schedule tomorrow. Toughing it out once again.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
Then you should know that my kids' lives were not endangered by going to school. Neither would the lives of kids going to Jenks and Bixby. I am middle aged (not an old fuddy whatever by any means). But I guess I am from the old school that snow should not result in a free week's vacation for the kids and public employees (I see on social networks numerous teachers celebrating snow days). I cannot recall ever having more than three snow days in a row off of school when I was a kid. How about you Red? joeie?
As for driving by HH, I advise you not to do so between 2:30-3:30. It will be a clusterf**k of mammoth proportions.
CUST: I have no experience with school bus drivers, or their driving issues, as I don't have any use for buses. But if they are that bad, why do parent's allow their kids to get on board in good weather? Are these parents not endangering their safety by exposing them to a known risk?
In general the bus drivers aren't a danger, though they tend to be a bit on the stupid side sometimes. However, this is Oklahoma, and any and all common sense behind the wheel goes out the window when a single flake hits the ground, and this holds true for bus drivers. Even with Ice/snow routes it wouldn't help much since several of the schools are in the middle of neighborhoods, which means that that the roads wouldn't be real clear.
I do have to ask, given your comment about not remembering having more than three snow days off for snow, how many times did you have this level of snow in a city completely unprepared for it? I personally don't remember having more than a two or three days off either, but I could see it in this situation.
Finally got the mail today, and all but one of my packages came in, which is odd because that one said that it was out for delivery at 9am.
I got my mail today as well. It was about 4 inches thick.
This whole mess is just strange to me-particularly since Tulsa is only about 6-6.5 hrs southwest from where I grew up. I have not seen anything like it.
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 08:49:10 PM
I got my mail today as well. It was about 4 inches thick.
This whole mess is just strange to me-particularly since Tulsa is only about 6-6.5 hrs southwest from where I grew up. I have not seen anything like it.
heh, how much of yours was advertisments? I was catching all kinds of stuff as it poured out when I opened it up, the majority was ads.
I got five total pieces of mail. That's a small amount for a single day. I'm just sure my mail in the trash somewhere.
And UPS put me off again. A week late now on my wife's new laptop.
Crap.
Quote from: custosnox on February 07, 2011, 09:03:40 PM
heh, how much of yours was advertisments? I was catching all kinds of stuff as it poured out when I opened it up, the majority was ads.
I will tell you what. About three years ago I donated to numerous, and I mean numerous, different charities that hooked me on guilt. Today, in all seriousness, I get hit up for money by at least 3 hit ups daily from those and various organizations similar to those I donated to. So today, I got hit up by close to 12 different charities. Only about 4-5 items dealt with me, family, or my home.
Quote from: swake on February 07, 2011, 09:12:33 PM
And UPS put me off again. A week late now on my wife's new laptop.
Crap.
I guess you wouldn't want to know that UPS delivered my new red laser sight today. teehee. Ducking and donning Kevlar now.
Quote from: Hoss on February 07, 2011, 06:08:51 PM
I never said that we would. The models suggest that's possible, so plan for it. The NAM has a swath of 14" just north of the metro, but the GFS is showing 6-8". NWS is stating 5-10"; most local TV forecasters just parrot the NWS forecast and tweak it a little so they don't appear like they're not doing their own number crunching. Remember a week before last week's storm? They were stating (including the NWS) that we would get 2-4 inches. Well, we all know what happened there. Forecasting wintry precip is harder than forecasting the path of a tornado 30 minutes in advance.
NWS does a pretty decent job predicting severe weather but not snowfall totals. Models like the NAM are usually more accurate. There will likely be a band of 16"+ totals somewhere in NE Oklahoma, possibly over Tulsa. We won't really know until the latest data comes in tomorrow, and even then maybe not. Remember our "dusting to an inch" of snow we were supposed to get last Friday that turned into 4-5"? NWS and the local TV channels missed that one completely while the models predicted more, just like last Tuesday when 20" was forecast on the NAM for northern Tulsa County...
If you want the most accuracy do not even watch the local weathermen. Look at the forecast models and the NWS website. The Norman office website puts out really nice graphical forecasts.
Could you give either a link or a web address so I can access these models?
-Thanks
Quote from: ZYX on February 07, 2011, 10:33:55 PM
Could you give either a link or a web address so I can access these models?
-Thanks
Thought I did earlier in the thread...
Here's the 84 hour snowfall total from the NAM: http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays.php3?STATIONID=INX
Here's the 120 hour snowfall total from the GFS: http://wxcaster.com/gis-gfs-snow-overlays.php3?STATIONID=INX
The NAM current model is showing 14-16 inches in the metro; the GFS is more conservative and showing 6-8. For historical purposes, the NAM was spot-on last week.
My concern now is from the most recent AFD (about an hour ago) from the Tulsa NWS weather site:
...UPDATE...
.DISCUSSION...
SATELLITE IMAGERY AND 00Z UPPER AIR DATA SUPPORT MODEL SOLUTIONS
OF AN INTENSE WAVE DROPPING SOUTHWARD FROM THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST.
SPORADIC LIGHTNING STRIKES WERE NOTED IN ADVANCE OF THIS WAVE
DURING THE EVENING. SHORT TERM MODEL SOLUTIONS SHOW SIGNIFICANT
STRENGTHENING OF LOW/MID LEVEL BAROCLINIC ZONE ACROSS THE SOUTHERN
PLAINS TONIGHT INTO TUESDAY...WHICH WILL SET THE STAGE FOR
ANOTHER POTENT WINTER STORM TO IMPACT THE FORECAST AREA.
00Z NAM REMAINS SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS SOLUTIONS IN BOTH SNOW AMOUNTS
AND PLACEMENT. OF NOTE HOWEVER IS NOT SO MUCH THE MODEL SNOW
AMOUNTS BUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A BROAD REGION OF UPRIGHT
INSTABILITY WITHIN A ZONE OF STRONG FRONTOGENETIC FORCING.
FORECAST SOUNDINGS WITHIN THIS ZONE ARE IMPRESSIVE AND SHOULD THIS
SOLUTION VERIFY...THEN ONE OR MORE CONVECTIVE BANDS ARE LIKELY
WITH LOCAL SNOW AMOUNTS WELL IN EXCESS OF ACTUAL MODEL OUTPUT.
THESE TYPE OF DETAILS WILL FLUCTUATE IN PLACEMENT AND LIKELY NOT
BE TOTALLY DEFINED UNTIL EVENT STARTS. HOWEVER THE POTENTIAL
SHOULD BE REALIZED THAT LOCALLY INTENSE SNOW BANDS ARE LIKELY
TUESDAY NIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY.
THE EVENING UPDATE WILL NOT ALTER SNOWFALL FORECASTS AS MUCH MORE
DATA WILL BE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE NEXT 4-6 HOURS...HOWEVER
OVERNIGHT LOW TEMPS WILL BE RAISED SLIGHTLY GIVEN MORE CLOUD COVER
AND HIGHER DEWPOINTS IN PLACE.
What the above equates to is specifically speaking about convective bands of snow. That equates to some of what we had last week: Thundersnow/sleet.
QuoteThought I did earlier in the thread...
I know you did, but was having trouble retrieving updated models. (if they had been)
Thanks for the new links :)
I am beginning to think we will get much more snow than "originally" forecasted. Well, maybe we can be out of school by the Fourth of July...
Quote from: Hoss on February 07, 2011, 10:41:02 PM
Thought I did earlier in the thread...
Here's the 84 hour snowfall total from the NAM: http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays.php3?STATIONID=INX
Here's the 120 hour snowfall total from the GFS: http://wxcaster.com/gis-gfs-snow-overlays.php3?STATIONID=INX
The NAM current model is showing 14-16 inches in the metro; the GFS is more conservative and showing 6-8. For historical purposes, the NAM was spot-on last week.
My concern now is from the most recent AFD (about an hour ago) from the Tulsa NWS weather site:
...UPDATE...
.DISCUSSION...
SATELLITE IMAGERY AND 00Z UPPER AIR DATA SUPPORT MODEL SOLUTIONS
OF AN INTENSE WAVE DROPPING SOUTHWARD FROM THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST.
SPORADIC LIGHTNING STRIKES WERE NOTED IN ADVANCE OF THIS WAVE
DURING THE EVENING. SHORT TERM MODEL SOLUTIONS SHOW SIGNIFICANT
STRENGTHENING OF LOW/MID LEVEL BAROCLINIC ZONE ACROSS THE SOUTHERN
PLAINS TONIGHT INTO TUESDAY...WHICH WILL SET THE STAGE FOR
ANOTHER POTENT WINTER STORM TO IMPACT THE FORECAST AREA.
00Z NAM REMAINS SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS SOLUTIONS IN BOTH SNOW AMOUNTS
AND PLACEMENT. OF NOTE HOWEVER IS NOT SO MUCH THE MODEL SNOW
AMOUNTS BUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A BROAD REGION OF UPRIGHT
INSTABILITY WITHIN A ZONE OF STRONG FRONTOGENETIC FORCING.
FORECAST SOUNDINGS WITHIN THIS ZONE ARE IMPRESSIVE AND SHOULD THIS
SOLUTION VERIFY...THEN ONE OR MORE CONVECTIVE BANDS ARE LIKELY
WITH LOCAL SNOW AMOUNTS WELL IN EXCESS OF ACTUAL MODEL OUTPUT.
THESE TYPE OF DETAILS WILL FLUCTUATE IN PLACEMENT AND LIKELY NOT
BE TOTALLY DEFINED UNTIL EVENT STARTS. HOWEVER THE POTENTIAL
SHOULD BE REALIZED THAT LOCALLY INTENSE SNOW BANDS ARE LIKELY
TUESDAY NIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY.
THE EVENING UPDATE WILL NOT ALTER SNOWFALL FORECASTS AS MUCH MORE
DATA WILL BE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE NEXT 4-6 HOURS...HOWEVER
OVERNIGHT LOW TEMPS WILL BE RAISED SLIGHTLY GIVEN MORE CLOUD COVER
AND HIGHER DEWPOINTS IN PLACE.
What the above equates to is specifically speaking about convective bands of snow. That equates to some of what we had last week: Thundersnow/sleet.
you can stop anytime now
Quote from: custosnox on February 07, 2011, 10:56:00 PM
you can stop anytime now
Don't shoot the messenger. ;D
Oh, wait, you are probably referring to my weather geekiness. As a pilot, and Conan knows this, I have to have a rudimentary knowledge of weather. As fate would have it, I wanted to be in meteorology, but my Mother getting hurt my senior year of highschool nixed that.
Wouldn't change a thing since though.
So later in life I became a trained spotter, and read lots and asked lots of questions.
I have been told not to trust this, but...newson6.com says that we should get 8-12 inches. Significantly higher than 5-10 a couple hours ago. I wouldn't be surrised to see these numbers go up again.
Quote from: ZYX on February 07, 2011, 11:27:37 PM
I have been told not to trust this, but...newson6.com says that we should get 8-12 inches. Significantly higher than 5-10 a couple hours ago. I wouldn't be surrised to see these numbers go up again.
You might trust it more than you think. NWS puts out updates about every three hours. Tv meteos have the luxury of trying to do real time forecasting. Based on their last AFD I would guess that NWS Tulsa will modify their estimates sometime overnight.
Quote from: ZYX on February 07, 2011, 10:33:55 PM
Could you give either a link or a web address so I can access these models?
-Thanks
In addition to the forecast model links posted also use srh.noaa.gov/oun. It is the NWS Norman site. Go to their graphical forecasts. Good for any type of weather from snow to severe t-storms. They also will show you what is coming in the next several days i.e. Potential for winter storms, weather pattern changes, and severe weather outbreaks. The Storm Prediction Center site spc.noaa.gov is also a good resource for severe weather outlooks.
Quote from: SXSW on February 08, 2011, 12:03:56 AM
In addition to the forecast model links posted also use srh.noaa.gov/oun. It is the NWS Norman site. Go to their graphical forecasts. Good for any type of weather from snow to severe t-storms. They also will show you what is coming in the next several days i.e. Potential for winter storms, weather pattern changes, and severe weather outbreaks. The Storm Prediction Center site spc.noaa.gov is also a good resource for severe weather outlooks.
Tulsa has the same page..direct link:
http://www.weather.gov/forecasts/wfo/sectors/tsa.php
Quote from: Hoss on February 07, 2011, 10:59:11 PM
Don't shoot the messenger. ;D
Oh, wait, you are probably referring to my weather geekiness. As a pilot, and Conan knows this, I have to have a rudimentary knowledge of weather. As fate would have it, I wanted to be in meteorology, but my Mother getting hurt my senior year of highschool nixed that.
Wouldn't change a thing since though.
So later in life I became a trained spotter, and read lots and asked lots of questions.
Nope, wasn't referring to your weather geekiness, it's about that which you bare to this thread. Anyone know where I can get a flame thrower on the cheap?
Quote from: guido911 on February 07, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
I guess you wouldn't want to know that UPS delivered my new red laser sight today. teehee. Ducking and donning Kevlar now.
I saw that, we are at the end of our route so I expect he just ran out of time.
Quote from: Hoss on February 08, 2011, 12:12:13 AM
Tulsa has the same page..direct link:
http://www.weather.gov/forecasts/wfo/sectors/tsa.php
Norman puts out better graphical forecasts, IMO
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/enhanced.php (http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/enhanced.php)
Quote from: SXSW on February 08, 2011, 09:53:42 AM
Norman puts out better graphical forecasts, IMO
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/enhanced.php (http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/enhanced.php)
Maybe. But they don't cover Tulsa. ;D
Notice how the forecast has been modified for 8-12 inches? Never exact science, predicting winter precip... the NAM has scaled back some, but still puts a 12-15" bullseye on the metro.
Quote from: Hoss on February 08, 2011, 12:05:05 PM
Notice how the forecast has been modified for 8-12 inches? Never exact science, predicting winter precip... the NAM has scaled back some, but still puts a 12-15" bullseye on the metro.
It would be interesting to re-visit this discussion in 6 months when people are looking at snow and ice removal as "wasteful government spending" that can be cut.
Quote from: Hoss on February 08, 2011, 09:54:57 AM
Maybe. But they don't cover Tulsa. ;D
True but what usually happens west of Tulsa (in the NWS Norman coverage area) usually happens in Tulsa a couple hours later. Granted Norman is the only NWS office that puts out high quality graphicasts and updates them on a regular basis. Start at the Norman site and then click on Tulsa County for our local forecast..
Quote from: Hoss on February 08, 2011, 12:05:05 PM
Notice how the forecast has been modified for 8-12 inches? Never exact science, predicting winter precip... the NAM has scaled back some, but still puts a 12-15" bullseye on the metro.
Someone I work with just got a call from a family member that works at TIA and she was told "their meteorologists" are saying 20 inches for Tulsa proper.
Roll the dice boys....this one could be interesting.
FB post from TIA:
QuoteHere we go again.....Winter Weather Update: Tuesday, Noon - All airlines anticipate flight cancellations as the storm makes its way across the state. Late night Tuesday arrivals will be canceled to avoid leaving airplanes parked in Tulsa overnight. Early morning departures will also be canceled. Contact your airline to confirm your flight status and reschedule if necessary.
Quote from: Ibanez on February 08, 2011, 01:09:32 PM
Someone I work with just got a call from a family member that works at TIA and she was told "their meteorologists" are saying 20 inches for Tulsa proper.
Roll the dice boys....this one could be interesting.
FAA meteos plan for the worst case scenario nearly every time.
Is the current near sunny sky the calm before the storm?
Quote from: DTowner on February 08, 2011, 03:40:48 PM
Is the current near sunny sky the calm before the storm?
Yup. Remember we had the same thing last Monday afternoon.
Dun, Dun, Duuuunnnnnnn...
Quote from: DTowner on February 08, 2011, 03:40:48 PM
Is the current near sunny sky the calm before the storm?
It sure isn't the warm before the storm. Brrrrr!
Bixby, Jenks, Union, none have said they will be out tomorrow...???
Quote from: ZYX on February 08, 2011, 07:38:14 PM
Bixby, Jenks, Union, none have said they will be out tomorrow...???
Funny because Holland Hall announced it's closed tomorrow.
Cross off Jenks. Bixby plowed the bus routes in my neighborhood, maybe we will have school...? Union is open as of now.
Bixby
Union
Maybe all of the local schools can just hold back all of the kids an extra year. Think of the advantage Tulsa area sports teams would have with all the kids being a year older.
Quote from: YoungTulsan on February 08, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Maybe all of the local schools can just hold back all of the kids an extra year. Think of the advantage Tulsa area sports teams would have with all the kids being a year older.
Don't say that, you'll give Union and Jenks ideas...
It is snowing out in Bixby.
Topeca closed two hours early 6pm instead of 8pm. Yokozuna closed early. And the first couple flurries have just now started downtown. All of the downtown bar/restaurant employees must live in McAlester or something.
If it's anything like last week, we can look forward to businesses closing altogether and/or closing early for the next six days. So I'll probably be staying indoors, but not by choice.
Just now starting to snow in northern Bixby. I had to look twice to see it. 10:33 PM
Quote from: YoungTulsan on February 08, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Maybe all of the local schools can just hold back all of the kids an extra year. Think of the advantage Tulsa area sports teams would have with all the kids being a year older.
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Quote from: Red Arrow on February 08, 2011, 10:31:30 PM
Just now starting to snow in northern Bixby. I had to look twice to see it. 10:33 PM
It's coming down (the snow--I know this forum) pretty good at the airport.
Tulsa seriously dodged a bullet...and I still have a fresh 5-6" on the ground. 12+ inches from Osage county into northwest Arkansas. Saw a 20" report in Delaware county.
Quote from: YoungTulsan on February 08, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Maybe all of the local schools can just hold back all of the kids an extra year. Think of the advantage Tulsa area sports teams would have with all the kids being a year older.
Too bad the weather is widespread enough that most of the area schools would have the same advantage, making it not an advantage. Maybe the extra year would allow the kids to graduate with an actual high school level education.
The roads were snow packed but drivable.
Only time I had an issue was when I got behind a plow on the HW. Couldn't see squat as I came up on him due to blowing snow...last two miles was about 15 mph.
I was able to maintain about 40 or so on the HW.
Wow, the meteorologists missed this one.
Quote from: ZYX on February 09, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
Wow, the meteorologists missed this one.
Not really...they were saying 4 to 8" last night for Tulsa. I'd say they were pretty spot on.
The 20" or so reported North of Tulsa might've shocked a few.
Quote from: charky on February 09, 2011, 08:00:21 AM
Tulsa seriously dodged a bullet...and I still have a fresh 5-6" on the ground. 12+ inches from Osage county into northwest Arkansas. Saw a 20" report in Delaware county.
Yeah, if that band had set up 20-30 miles farther south last night, we would have gotten quite the wallop. Instead, we just got a relatively high-end winter storm (for our area), that still continues, and will probably be good for another half-inch to an inch.
NWS Tulsa was saying that there would be a heavier-than-forecast band
somewhere, but that they couldn't predict where, so they got that right, too.
Quote from: Townsend on February 09, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Not really...they were saying 4 to 8" last night for Tulsa. I'd say they were pretty spot on.
The 20" or so reported North of Tulsa might've shocked a few.
Channel 6 said 8-12 inches for Tulsa at 10:00 last night.
It never ceases to amaze me that people complain about a forecast being off by 20 or 30 miles.
Oh, I'm not complaining, I'm just saying. Even Travis Meyer was talking about his forecast being off.
If I could get to Memorial, I'd probably be OK. There was still enough stuff on our street from last week that my car scraped bottom occasionally last night before the snow started.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 09, 2011, 10:24:00 AM
If I could get to Memorial, I'd probably be OK. There was still enough stuff on our street from last week that my car scraped bottom occasionally last night before the snow started.
Even with a bed full of snow and new tires it's very iffy getting out of my neighborhood. Fortunately, the pavement in front of my driveway in the street was clear and dry before this round of snow which means at least I won't get stuck in front of my house. Down the block might be a different issue 8)
62 forecast for next Wednesday. I'd like to see that happen very much.
Quote from: nathanm on February 09, 2011, 10:06:30 AM
Yeah, if that band had set up 20-30 miles farther south last night, we would have gotten quite the wallop. Instead, we just got a relatively high-end winter storm (for our area), that still continues, and will probably be good for another half-inch to an inch.
NWS Tulsa was saying that there would be a heavier-than-forecast band somewhere, but that they couldn't predict where, so they got that right, too.
I'm a meteorologist with the NWS...I just happened to be off for this event! Spent 2 nights at work during last weeks storm.
There was one computer model (out of about 7-8 that we use) that absolutely nailed this. It was an outlier as all the other models suggested that the max would be a little south of Tulsa. Tough call and tough forecast. I'm sure we'll spend some serious time re-examining this event.
I couldn't be more proud with how our office performed over the last 2 weeks. I've been doing this for over 20 years and this is hands down the bet group of mets I've been associated with.
Never shy away from giving us a call or asking for a quick tour.
Quote from: charky on February 09, 2011, 11:44:45 AM
I'm a meteorologist with the NWS...I just happened to be off for this event! Spent 2 nights at work during last weeks storm.
There was one computer model (out of about 7-8 that we use) that absolutely nailed this. It was an outlier as all the other models suggested that the max would be a little south of Tulsa. Tough call and tough forecast. I'm sure we'll spend some serious time re-examining this event.
I couldn't be more proud with how our office performed over the last 2 weeks. I've been doing this for over 20 years and this is hands down the bet group of mets I've been associated with.
Never shy away from giving us a call or asking for a quick tour.
Thanks for the hard work Charky!
That expensive network of traffic cameras on the highways leading into Tulsa (that are supposed to show traffic conditions) only seem to work in good weather.
http://www.oktraffic.org/map.php?location=tulsa
wfm?
Quote from: patric on February 09, 2011, 12:06:32 PM
That expensive network of traffic cameras on the highways leading into Tulsa (that are supposed to show traffic conditions) only seem to work in good weather.
http://www.oktraffic.org/map.php?location=tulsa
I clicked on many of them and they all seemed to work fine. Did I misunderstand?
I say keeps schools closed until monday. With the warmers temps coming to help melt this, spend between now and then getting everything cleared and cleaned up. Bad part about this is it's only mid February and still have a few more months of winter left. I remember us getting some pretty good snow storms in March and April.
Quote from: bmuscotty on February 09, 2011, 12:11:36 PM
Bad part about this is it's only mid February and still have a few more months of winter left.
39 days to Spring. Keep warm thoughts.
All these downtown eateries closing should at least have the balls to say they're closing because of either lack of customers or general employee laziness. This "safety" excuse is BS. Especially as it applied last night, to businesses closing hours before the first flurries fell.
This snow is nothing. The governor of Pennsylvania was right. We are a nation of pussies.
Quote from: Townsend on February 09, 2011, 12:11:20 PM
I clicked on many of them and they all seemed to work fine. Did I misunderstand?
Same here. One angle from 51/169 is occluded with snow, the rest are fine.
Time to go operate the human powered snow thrower.
Yuck!
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 09, 2011, 01:44:52 PM
Time to go operate the human powered snow thrower.
Yuck!
How bad did North Bixby get hit Red?
Quote from: guido911 on February 09, 2011, 01:54:40 PM
How bad did North Bixby get hit Red?
We got about 5-6 inches north of the river in Bixby.
Quote from: ZYX on February 09, 2011, 02:06:17 PM
We got about 5-6 inches north of the river in Bixby.
Thanks. I am near 111th & Memorial.
Quote from: TheTed on February 09, 2011, 01:32:41 PM
All these downtown eateries closing should at least have the balls to say they're closing because of either lack of customers or general employee laziness. This "safety" excuse is BS. Especially as it applied last night, to businesses closing hours before the first flurries fell.
This snow is nothing. The governor of Pennsylvania was right. We are a nation of pussies.
Good, when the alignment on my car needs done, I'll send my bill to your 'non-pussy' address. :o
I say if you have the ability to work from home (I do) then don't compound the problem and be one of many horrible Oklahoma snow drivers.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 09, 2011, 01:37:45 PM
Same here. One angle from 51/169 is occluded with snow, the rest are fine.
*sigh* Now they are working. The system was down this morning.
Quote from: guido911 on February 09, 2011, 01:54:40 PM
How bad did North Bixby get hit Red?
About like ZYX said, 5 to 6". After shoveling the walk and back porch, I made a test run from my house to 111th & Memorial and back. There had been enough traffic to pack most of the new snow so I didn't have a clearance problem. Good thing I had traction control and front wheel drive though. The car was frequently pointed somewhere other than where I intended.
Did you get out of town?
Edit:
Forgot to say the snow drifted directly on the sidewalk from the front door to the driveway again. This time it was only about 12" deep.
Quote from: patric on February 09, 2011, 03:09:21 PM
*sigh* Now they are working. The system was down this morning.
Suuuuurrre it was...
Quote from: Hoss on February 09, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
Good, when the alignment on my car needs done, I'll send my bill to your 'non-pussy' address. :o
If you weren't so picky you wouldn't know the alignment was out and wouldn't notice until the tires were trashed. Then you wouldn't know whether to blame it on the snow storm or just general rotten Tulsa roads. ;D
Quote from: Conan71 on February 09, 2011, 03:30:03 PM
Suuuuurrre it was...
Maybe something to it. Looks like it's down again. At least as of 5 minutes ago.
EDIT: Never mind, it's back up. Sheesh!
needed some allergy pills so decided to hit a couple of errands while out. Roads weren't bad, but a lot more slick spots than before making stopping interesting at times.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 09, 2011, 03:31:21 PM
If you weren't so picky you wouldn't know the alignment was out and wouldn't notice until the tires were trashed. Then you wouldn't know whether to blame it on the snow storm or just general rotten Tulsa roads. ;D
Wait, are you two saying my car should be pointed in the direction of travel, and not about 10 degrees off to one side?
Quote from: nathanm on February 09, 2011, 09:12:43 PM
Wait, are you two saying my car should be pointed in the direction of travel, and not about 10 degrees off to one side?
Unless you are in a boat or airplane, it is preferable. Not as much fun though. :D
While they are not warning us to "batten 'em down", the national weather service posted this crap:
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385543_210124209064686_119011258175982_466965_250608509_n.jpg)
I'm not a fan of winter.
Quote from: Townsend on December 02, 2011, 02:40:01 PM
I'm not a fan of winter.
Wow! Agree with both you and Heiron on the same day. I'm really slipping now. If I'm not carefull, maybe Wevsus will be next. OUCH. Even the thought of it hurts.
;D
Quote from: Townsend on December 02, 2011, 02:40:01 PM
While they are not warning us to "batten 'em down", the national weather service posted this crap:
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385543_210124209064686_119011258175982_466965_250608509_n.jpg)
I'm not a fan of winter.
I like winter, as long as I don't have to drive in it. I don't worry about me driving, it's everyone else.
Here are the weathergeek details...
815
WWUS84 KTSA 022001
SPSTSA
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TULSA OK
201 PM CST FRI DEC 2 2011
ARZ001-002-010-011-019-020-029-OKZ049-053>076-031200-
BENTON-CARROLL-WASHINGTON AR-MADISON-CRAWFORD-FRANKLIN-SEBASTIAN-
PUSHMATAHA-CHOCTAW-OSAGE-WASHINGTON OK-NOWATA-CRAIG-OTTAWA-PAWNEE-
TULSA-ROGERS-MAYES-DELAWARE-CREEK-OKFUSKEE-OKMULGEE-WAGONER-
CHEROKEE-ADAIR-MUSKOGEE-MCINTOSH-SEQUOYAH-PITTSBURG-HASKELL-
LATIMER-LE FLORE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ROGERS...BENTONVILLE...BERRYVILLE...
EUREKA SPRINGS...FAYETTEVILLE...SPRINGDALE...HUNTSVILLE...
VAN BUREN...OZARK...CHARLESTON...FORT SMITH...ANTLERS...CLAYTON...
HUGO...PAWHUSKA...BARTLESVILLE...NOWATA...VINITA...MIAMI...
PAWNEE...TULSA...CLAREMORE...PRYOR...JAY...BRISTOW...OKEMAH...
OKMULGEE...WAGONER...TAHLEQUAH...STILWELL...MUSKOGEE...EUFAULA...
SALLISAW...MCALESTER...STIGLER...WILBURTON...POTEAU
201 PM CST FRI DEC 2 2011
...ACCUMULATING WINTRY PRECIPITATION POSSIBLE EARLY NEXT WEEK BUT
UNCERTAINTY REMAINS...
AN ACTIVE WEATHER PATTERN IS SETTING UP ACROSS EASTERN OKLAHOMA
AND NORTHWEST ARKANSAS FOR THE WEEKEND AND INTO THE EARLY PART OF
NEXT WEEK...WITH SEVERAL ROUNDS OF PRECIPITATION SET TO AFFECT THE
AREA. WIDESPREAD RAIN IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP SATURDAY AND SATURDAY
NIGHT IN ADVANCE OF A COLD FRONT THAT WILL PUSH THROUGH THE REGION
SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY.
ADDITIONAL PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP SUNDAY NIGHT AND
MONDAY. WITH COLD AIR IN PLACE ACROSS EASTERN OKLAHOMA AND
NORTHWEST ARKANSAS AND A REINFORCING BATCH OF COLD AIR MOVING INTO
THE AREA FROM THE NORTH...ACCUMULATING WINTRY PRECIPITATION WILL
BE POSSIBLE...PRIMARILY DURING THE DAY MONDAY. CONSIDERABLE
UNCERTAINTY REMAINS ON WHERE THE HEAVIEST PRECIPITATION WILL
DEVELOP AND HOW MUCH COLD AIR WILL INTERACT WITH THE
PRECIPITATION. AT THIS TIME...ALL PRECIPITATION TYPES...FROM A
COLD RAIN TO HEAVY SNOW...APPEAR POSSIBLE. ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT
ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN RIGHT NOW...BE AWARE THAT THERE IS SOME
POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY ACCUMULATIONS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE.
A THIRD UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCE WILL AFFECT THE AREA
TUESDAY...WHICH WILL BRING ANOTHER CHANCE OF SNOW...ALTHOUGH
AVAILABLE MOISTURE CURRENTLY APPEARS TO BE LIMITED...ALLOWING FOR
ONLY MINOR ACCUMULATIONS AT BEST.
DETAILS WILL BECOME CLEARER ON THE WINTER WEATHER POTENTIAL AS NEW
DATA COME IN OVER THE WEEKEND. MONITOR THE LATEST WEATHER
FORECASTS...AND BE ALERT FOR POSSIBLE WATCHES AND WARNINGS. ALSO
CONSIDER UNDERTAKING BASIC WINTER STORM PREPARATIONS...INCLUDING
PREPARING A WINTER WEATHER SURVIVAL KIT AND WINTERIZING VEHICLES.
$$
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 02, 2011, 03:24:15 PM
Wow! Agree with both you and Heiron on the same day. I'm really slipping now. If I'm not carefull, maybe Wevsus will be next. OUCH. Even the thought of it hurts.
;D
Everyone has a good day once in a while. (winky smiley face)
I saw Hoss's post about the cities affected.
QuoteINCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ROGERS...BENTONVILLE...BERRYVILLE...
EUREKA SPRINGS...FAYETTEVILLE...SPRINGDALE...HUNTSVILLE...
VAN BUREN...OZARK...CHARLESTON...FORT SMITH...ANTLERS...CLAYTON...
HUGO...PAWHUSKA...BARTLESVILLE...NOWATA...VINITA...MIAMI...
PAWNEE...TULSA...CLAREMORE...PRYOR...JAY...BRISTOW...OKEMAH...
OKMULGEE...WAGONER...TAHLEQUAH...STILWELL...MUSKOGEE...EUFAULA...
SALLISAW...MCALESTER...STIGLER...WILBURTON...POTEAU
Red, we dodged a bullet. Bixby is not mentioned.
Quote from: guido911 on December 02, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
I saw Hoss's post about the cities affected.
Red, we dodged a bullet. Bixby is not mentioned.
As it shouldn't be...
...you Southie...
;)
Quote from: guido911 on December 02, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
I saw Hoss's post about the cities affected.
Red, we dodged a bullet. Bixby is not mentioned.
I'll walk down to the corner and hop the line into bixby. I'm sure it'll be sunshine, rainbows, and unicorn toots.
Quote from: Townsend on December 02, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
I'll walk down to the corner and hop the line into bixby. I'm sure it'll be sunshine, rainbows, and unicorn toots.
I told the same joke to my wife and she similarly responded.
Quote from: guido911 on December 02, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
I told the same joke to my wife and she similarly responded.
Huh...so you're saying I'm your type...
Quote from: Townsend on December 02, 2011, 04:07:59 PM
Huh...so you're saying I'm your type...
That's exactly what I'm saying big boy.
Quote from: guido911 on December 02, 2011, 04:09:53 PM
That's exactly what I'm saying big boy.
Now type it all breathy voiced.
Quote from: Townsend on December 02, 2011, 03:50:48 PM
Everyone has a good day once in a while. (winky smiley face)
Yep, you were lucky today. :D
Quote from: guido911 on December 02, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
I saw Hoss's post about the cities affected.
Red, we dodged a bullet. Bixby is not mentioned.
We're a secret city. They don't know about us. Snow N, S, E, and W.... we will get some snow. :(
Looks like 3-4" max unless HPC got the liquid amounts off or the cold air comes in much more quickly than expected.
Quote from: nathanm on December 02, 2011, 06:11:05 PM
Looks like 3-4" max unless HPC got the liquid amounts off or the cold air comes in much more quickly than expected.
Too early to tell. I just don't think 48 hours out you can reliably know when it comes to the frozen precip. Remember how all over the place the Snowpocalypse was initially with the forecasting?
Quote from: Hoss on December 02, 2011, 06:45:33 PM
Too early to tell. I just don't think 48 hours out you can reliably know when it comes to the frozen precip. Remember how all over the place the Snowpocalypse was initially with the forecasting?
Forecasting the amount of liquid that will fall from the sky is much easier than forecasting how much of it will be snow/sleet/whatever. Given that the 5 day total QPF is around an inch and half of that should fall before the cold air gets here, that limits the snow to 6" at most. Throw in a bit of sleet/freezing rain and you get my 4" snow estimate. Unless the moisture stays over a day behind schedule or the cold air comes in over a day early, a big snow event just isn't in the cards. Now, if somehow the cold air got here through the whole column before the precip really starts, we could have 12-15" of snow.
With Snowpocalypse, we knew we were going to get frozen precipitation, but it was near enough to freezing that it wasn't possible to tell whether or not it would be frozen all the way down, so snow totals were indeed all over the place. This time, it's not going to even be close to freezing until at least half the precip has already fallen.
Edited to add: To be clear, this is all predicated on the models not changing wildly once the system is better sampled as we get closer to the event. It's hard to be sure when the waves supposedly bringing the precipitation are either still out over the Pacific or not even formed yet.