$119B of that butt load of money shelled out by taxpayers.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/17/news/economy/unemployment_benefits_cost/index.htm
The article provides good insight as to the sources of unemployment cash.
It's definitely a lot of money . . . but I'm curious as to whether this is the biggest workout our unemployment insurance system has had since it was created (after the 1935 Social Security Act, generally). I bet it probably is, based on depth and length of the unemployment problem.
I've heard a lot of talk about how unemployment incentivizes people to not search out work, but that can only be true if there's work out there to be had; likewise if the unemployment benefits outweigh the benefits of having work. Right now, I think neither of those are true.
Quote from: we vs us on November 17, 2010, 05:04:12 PM
I've heard a lot of talk about how unemployment incentivizes people to not search out work, but that can only be true if there's work out there to be had; likewise if the unemployment benefits outweigh the benefits of having work. Right now, I think neither of those are true.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/classifieds/jobs/
Quote from: guido911 on November 17, 2010, 05:14:42 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/classifieds/jobs/
Our unemployment rate is half the national average. Tulsa's job market isn't a great example.
Quote from: guido911 on November 17, 2010, 05:14:42 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/classifieds/jobs/
Hilarious!
Are you making a point or is that just snark?
Quote from: we vs us on November 17, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Hilarious!
Are you making a point or is that just snark?
Naw, I was merely linking to a site that had 1400 job openings. Still, nice to know that looking for employment in the "want ads" is funny rather than being a source to find a job and to get off unemployment.
Quote from: guido911 on November 17, 2010, 08:12:33 PM
Naw, I was merely linking to a site that had 1400 job openings. Still, nice to know that looking for employment in the "want ads" is funny rather than being a source to find a job and to get off unemployment.
So, I think I know this already, but I'm curious to hear it from you: why do you think there are 1400 jobs on the Tulsa World website while our unemployment rate still hovers around 10%? Bonus points for explanations that delve a little deeper than "government handouts make people lazy."
Quote from: we vs us on November 17, 2010, 08:16:26 PM
So, I think I know this already, but I'm curious to hear it from you: why do you think there are 1400 jobs on the Tulsa World website while our unemployment rate still hovers around 10%? Bonus points for explanations that delve a little deeper than "government handouts make people lazy."
No idea why there are all those jobs, perhaps its just bs and those jobs do not exist. I want to know why you think want ads are funny.
Quote from: guido911 on November 17, 2010, 08:28:23 PM
No idea why there are all those jobs, perhaps its just bs and those jobs do not exist. I want to know why you think want ads are funny.
I don't think job ads are funny. I think you being a smartass was funny. Kinda.
Why are there so many jobs in the paper and yet our unemployment rate remains so high? What could explain it?
These mouths need to be stopped that focus on ending unemployment benefits, in the context that this value system and government schedule are going to stay intact. For they seek the situation to be treated universally, that if one cannot regain employment and bear their burdens (even with this present distress), then they are automatically being burdensome to others and are always seeking handouts. What a hard way to deal with brothers, making us compete for a basic lot at every season! Here in Ohio there are some 200,000 that are scheduled to be discontinued from their unemployment by January: all because of some bizarre claimants who deny the perversion of the scales in our system, and heap a tragedy upon giving people the means to maintain until the nation as a whole can get the right vision.
Alas, we are living the vision of those few, and the prophets of their own are nurturing their own NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.
Conversely, if I had millions bucks handed to me, as they hand it out to fools through lottery scratch-off or from scoring up at the casino, or through inheritance, I wouldn't be the one gaining from it, but to whoever and whatever true needs and requirements (which are all over the place) I could immediately distribute to, according to all that is in my power. Others would be the benefactors: and such is the case with most of these petty installments.
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 17, 2010, 09:48:05 PM
These mouths need to be stopped that focus on ending unemployment benefits, in the context that this value system and government schedule are going to stay intact. For they seek the situation to be treated universally, that if one cannot regain employment and bear their burdens (even with this present distress), then they are automatically being burdensome to others and are always seeking handouts. What a hard way to deal with brothers, making us compete for a basic lot at every season! Here in Ohio there are some 200,000 that are scheduled to be discontinued from their unemployment by January: all because of some bizarre claimants who deny the perversion of the scales in our system, and heap a tragedy upon giving people the means to maintain until the nation as a whole can get the right vision.
Alas, we are living the vision of those few, and the prophets of their own are nurturing their own NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.
Conversely, if I had millions bucks handed to me, as they hand it out to fools through lottery scratch-off or from scoring up at the casino, or through inheritance, I wouldn't be the one gaining from it, but to whoever and whatever true needs and requirements (which are all over the place) I could immediately distribute to, according to all that is in my power. Others would be the benefactors: and such is the case with most of these petty installments.
You are about to get nabbed by the TNF poster police. Be warned!!!
oh rats!
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 17, 2010, 10:00:22 PM
oh rats!
Just duck, there are those out there with nothing better to do (other than beat off) than insult you without even trying to form an intelligent thought. Warn quinton!
Quote from: guido911 on November 17, 2010, 10:16:30 PM
Just duck, there are those out there with nothing better to do (other than beat off) than insult you without even trying to form an intelligent thought. Warn quinton!
That's like the pot and the kettle I think...
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 17, 2010, 09:48:05 PM
These mouths need to be stopped that focus on ending unemployment benefits, in the context that this value system and government schedule are going to stay intact. For they seek the situation to be treated universally, that if one cannot regain employment and bear their burdens (even with this present distress), then they are automatically being burdensome to others and are always seeking handouts. What a hard way to deal with brothers, making us compete for a basic lot at every season! Here in Ohio there are some 200,000 that are scheduled to be discontinued from their unemployment by January: all because of some bizarre claimants who deny the perversion of the scales in our system, and heap a tragedy upon giving people the means to maintain until the nation as a whole can get the right vision.
Alas, we are living the vision of those few, and the prophets of their own are nurturing their own NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.
Conversely, if I had millions bucks handed to me, as they hand it out to fools through lottery scratch-off or from scoring up at the casino, or through inheritance, I wouldn't be the one gaining from it, but to whoever and whatever true needs and requirements (which are all over the place) I could immediately distribute to, according to all that is in my power. Others would be the benefactors: and such is the case with most of these petty installments.
If you had a million dollars (whether you wone it through luck or not) and I had need of some money and didnt have work... I would much rather you pay me for doing some work for you than you just give it to me without working. If I had a million dollars I would figure out how to employ people. I would figure out how to invest it so that I could grow a business and employ people over the long haul, hopefully grow a business and ultimately help more people than you ever could by just giving it away right off. Which essentially, if you win a million or earn it,,, its not going to be sitting in a mattress, (or as in biblical days sitting in a rich mans vault gathering dust and doing nothing for anyone). It will be invested somewhere. Money flows all over the world these days and is put to work. In a place or way you choose to invest it, or the bank chooses if you so please. It will either be a loan/investment to a business to grow that business, or perhaps a loan to someone to help them buy a home, etc.
......may the seed of the sower be multiplied and all that. but the point i made is from concern for the legitimate needs, and what will establish peace, and not for what i may profit and gain from others while forgetting my poor brethren who are fallen into decay. prosperity can grow wings and fly away if there is no rain, or if all aspects of the environment are not properly replenished. besides that, there are many of us who have already stacked a great deal onto the abundant pile of the next man, but the wages sufficient to afford the rest and payment of debts are not paid. what we see here is the monstrous abuse of capitalism, and all of its hideous growths.
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 09:01:52 AM
......may the seed of the sower be multiplied and all that. but the point i made is from concern for the legitimate needs, and what will establish peace, and not for what i may profit and gain from others while forgetting my poor brethren who are fallen into decay. prosperity can grow wings and fly away if there is no rain, or if all aspects of the environment are not properly replenished. besides that, there are many of us who have already stacked a great deal onto the abundant pile of the next man, but the wages sufficient to afford the rest and payment of debts are not paid. what we see here is the monstrous abuse of capitalism, and all of its hideous growths.
Define "legitimate needs"? Is a yacht a legitimate need? It may sure as danged well be if your the guy who is paying for his family to have food on the table and a roof over their heads for building the yatcht. How about a fancy mural in your house. If people do not buy those murals...
I DONT EAT!
or I have to go compete with some other guy for the job flipping burgers
We can't all raise sheep and grains, or flip burgers,,, the economy couldnt work with this many people doing so few things (there would not be enough land for us to all farm and it would be terribly inefficient lol) . In this type of economy with this type of population numbers it takes people doing all sorts of things, making all sorts of things,,,,
which means people wanting and buying all sorts of things from yachts, to movies ,to murals, to burgers, i-pods, etc.
You can either give me the dollar, or let me earn it by doing my thing. Painting murals. I need someone to buy those things in order for me to eat and pay my bills,,, or I could be on the dole and let the rich guy pay for me to sit around and pick my arse. I would rather him pay for me to work, then I take my money and buy goods and services, and so on.
it is a crying shame that people can rack up all manner of value pent up in their graven arts that are profitable for nothing, and then claim that if there's no such delicious living then we do not eat! if your art or music was dedicated to the common good, you wouldn't need to barter and haggle, but could be welcomed to eat of the governor's portion. There is much more honor bestowed upon the honest work of our own hands in actually repairing the breaches and improving the quality of everyone's life, social, economic, infrastructure, and so on. then again, perhaps you are one of those who would like to compound the yokes of those, who are long accustomed to lugging around the vain and useless weights, and cleaning the mess they did not contribute to create, by accusing the unemployed of filthy and lazy habits?
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 09:41:19 AM
it is a crying shame that people can rack up all manner of value pent up in their graven arts that are profitable for nothing, and then claim that if there's no such delicious living then we do not eat! if your art or music was dedicated to the common good, you wouldn't need to barter and haggle, but could be welcomed to eat of the governor's portion. There is much more honor bestowed upon the honest work of our own hands in actually repairing the breaches and improving the quality of everyone's life, social, economic, infrastructure, and so on. then again, perhaps you are one of those who would like to compound the yokes of those, who are long accustomed to lugging around the vain and useless weights, and cleaning the mess they did not contribute to create, by accusing the unemployed of filthy and lazy habits?
Not even close to Dickens.
I intend on using "governor's portion" in my conversations from now on though.
dickens plagiarized the Holy Bible? or did he give God the praise? i don't know.....
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 09:55:24 AM
dickens plagiarized the Holy Bible? or did he give God the praise? i don't know.....
Dickens is a better writer.
His books aren't cobbled together into disputatious chapters.
edit: pardon, was a better writer
^ perhaps you just did not handle the Word near enough, seeing that you also lightly criticize it :)
but to put any book on top of the Scriptures makes you, well, a man of this world.
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 10:11:31 AM
but to put any book on top of the Scriptures makes you, well, a man of this world.
Absolutely.
So you are from somewhere beyond the sun.
Greetings from Earth.
Quote from: we vs us on November 17, 2010, 09:12:15 PM
I don't think job ads are funny. I think you being a smartass was funny. Kinda.
Why are there so many jobs in the paper and yet our unemployment rate remains so high? What could explain it?
A large part of the workforce needs retraining. With technology and the world economy changing, certain jobs are becoming a part of ancient history while new ones are emerging. People need to learn new trades. This is where I would support a little extra help from the government to steer people in the right direction. Some people are just stubborn and refuse to look outside of a certain type of job, level of qualification, or level of pay. Perpetual unemployment benefits may help reinforce that stubbornness. After X amount of time, people need to face the reality that the segment of the workforce they are trying to enter has no room for them and move on to something different. A lot of jobs that vanished when the bubble burst were already obsolete or redundant, but carried along foolishly in the madness of the bubble economy. Trying to go back to that, or to just wait around for a "gravy train" won't dig us out of the recession. The glut of workers can only return to productivity if a large amount of them are trained in different lines of work.
That pretty much sums up why you can point to a bunch of jobs needing to be filled at the same time millions of people can't seem to find work.
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 09:41:19 AM
it is a crying shame that people can rack up all manner of value pent up in their graven arts that are profitable for nothing, and then claim that if there's no such delicious living then we do not eat! if your art or music was dedicated to the common good, you wouldn't need to barter and haggle, but could be welcomed to eat of the governor's portion. There is much more honor bestowed upon the honest work of our own hands in actually repairing the breaches and improving the quality of everyone's life, social, economic, infrastructure, and so on. then again, perhaps you are one of those who would like to compound the yokes of those, who are long accustomed to lugging around the vain and useless weights, and cleaning the mess they did not contribute to create, by accusing the unemployed of filthy and lazy habits?
I am willing to do all the "art" ("graven art" I must assume refers to "graven images", Just so you know, I do not paint or carve idols that are worshiped by pagans lol) the "common good" folk want to pay me to do, and more lol. I don't "barter and haggle" btw lol. The money I make either goes to me living, purchasing goods and services from others thus helping them make a living ( I try to buy things locally (employing local people), I like going to local restaurants for instance cause there are plenty of friends I know that make a living owning, running or working for restaurants, and other businesses) , and now a good chunk of it goes to my goal of creating a museum for Tulsa to help make everyones lives more enjoyable, to educate children and adults, enlighten, spark wonder and bring a smile to people. The more money or time you have, the more people you can help.
I feel fortunate that I get to use my God given talent to bring joy to peoples lives, not just to the owners but also to those who visit their homes, the next owners, etc. (There is an old saying, Nobody truly owns a piece of art, they just pay for the privilege of keeping care of it for a while.) Plus, because I can make a living doing my art, it allows me to keep practicing, to keep getting better and yes do things for free. Great art can take a lifetime to create. I am not at the point where I believe I can create great art, but I hope to get there. Beautiful fine things crafted well and "images" can be good. (Exodus 26:1."Moreover you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twisted linen and blue and purple and scarlet; you shall make them with cherubim, the work of a skillful workman..." ) Can't be skilled if you have never done it before.
I also do a lot of public art for very cheap (still have to eat lol) so that I can create more art for more people to enjoy, and occasionally do some for free whenever there is opportunity. My museum project will hopefully be one of my greatest artistic contributions. And its always in my mind that the more successful I can be with my work or the museum, the harder I work at it,,, the more people I will be able to employ (Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish "employ him" and he eats for a lifetime) . I don't ultimately want a dime for myself. EVERYTHING I may aquire will ultimately go to my goals. You cant take it with you anyway lol. But I hope to leave something behind that will have made the world more enjoyable, bring wonderment to peoples lives, inspire a child to dream and reach for their own dreams, show and learn from the creativity and work of people who came before us, employ people, educate, help people (hope I and the museum will be successful enough some day to be able to donate school supplies to kids as one small thing for instance). All the particular ways in which I choose to do good in the world using my particular talents, money, hard work and time, is my moral journey to take. You do your thing, I will do mine. I think there is the opportunity to do good in the world for all types of peoples, talents, and abilities. If we all did exactly the same thing, nothing would work. But everyone can DO something good thats needed or wanted. You have to go above and beyond just existing. You ultimately have to work. You don't do that,,, you don't eat.
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 09:41:19 AM
it is a crying shame that people can rack up all manner of value pent up in their graven arts that are profitable for nothing, and then claim that if there's no such delicious living then we do not eat! if your art or music was dedicated to the common good, you wouldn't need to barter and haggle, but could be welcomed to eat of the governor's portion. There is much more honor bestowed upon the honest work of our own hands in actually repairing the breaches and improving the quality of everyone's life, social, economic, infrastructure, and so on. then again, perhaps you are one of those who would like to compound the yokes of those, who are long accustomed to lugging around the vain and useless weights, and cleaning the mess they did not contribute to create, by accusing the unemployed of filthy and lazy habits?
I think you and shadows are drinking from the same pond...
Quote from: Hoss on November 18, 2010, 04:40:36 PM
I think you and shadows are drinking from the same pond...
Shhh, (in a whispered tone) he thinks he's an alien.
Quote from: Hoss on November 18, 2010, 04:40:36 PM
I think you and shadows are drinking from the same pond...
Sorry I couldn't win you over by speaking from the heart, there Hoss. Maybe God Almighty will be gracious to send you a messenger that speaks and writes so perfectly that you need not to even blurt out, for all the shortage of speaking the truth and preparing the way among these who chime in, where you also take your leave, joining headlong with a generation of vipers, and the sons of Babylon.
The Artist, your equivocation convinced me of nothing, but that you justify shortchanging the true Bible-based Christian fellowship, which your "good works" cannot exempt you from, and your "God-given gifts" cannot purchase a lot in place of. And that for good and righteous reasons.
So, who's next to give evidence that they bless the covetous, and are in league to make merchandise out of living souls?
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 06:08:10 PM
sorry i couldn't win you over by speaking from the heart, there hoss. maybe God Almighty will be gracious to send you a messenger that speaks and writes so perfectly that you need not to even blurt out, for all the shortage of speaking the truth and preparing the way among these who chime in, where you also take your leave, joining headlong with a generation of vipers, and the sons of Babylon.
The Artist, your equivocation convinced me of nothing, but that you justify shortchanging the true Bible-based Christian fellowship, which your "good works" cannot exempt you from, and your "God-given gifts" cannot purchase a lot in place of. And that for good and righteous reasons.
So, who who's next to give evidence that they bless the covetous, and are in league to make merchandise out of living souls?
That won't work on an agnostic theist, of which I am. Preach to someone who will listen. And I'm guessing you also believe the Universe started about 5,000 years ago?
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 06:08:10 PM
Sorry I couldn't win you over by speaking from the heart, there Hoss. Maybe God Almighty will be gracious to send you a messenger
Maybe God will send you a messenger to enlighten you about reality.
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 10:11:31 AM
^ perhaps you just did not handle the Word near enough, seeing that you also lightly criticize it :)
but to put any book on top of the Scriptures makes you, well, a man of this world.
I warned ya!
The UE benefits extension tied up again:
QuoteWASHINGTON – Republicans in the House have blocked a bill that would have extended jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed beyond the holiday season.
The most recent extension of jobless benefits expires Dec. 1. Two million people will lose benefits averaging $310 a week nationwide by the end of the year.
The measure would have extended jobless benefits through the end of February at a cost of adding $12.5 billion to the nation's debt. Republicans opposing the measure said that the measure should be paid for by cutting unspent money from last year's economic stimulus bill.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101118/ap_on_bi_ge/us_jobless_benefits_1
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 06:08:10 PM
Sorry I couldn't win you over by speaking from the heart, there Hoss. Maybe God Almighty will be gracious to send you a messenger that speaks and writes so perfectly that you need not to even blurt out, for all the shortage of speaking the truth and preparing the way among these who chime in, where you also take your leave, joining headlong with a generation of vipers, and the sons of Babylon.
The Artist, your equivocation convinced me of nothing, but that you justify shortchanging the true Bible-based Christian fellowship, which your "good works" cannot exempt you from, and your "God-given gifts" cannot purchase a lot in place of. And that for good and righteous reasons.
So, who's next to give evidence that they bless the covetous, and are in league to make merchandise out of living souls?
Well apparently we will have to just agree to disagree lol. Good luck in your little fantasy world.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 18, 2010, 08:23:55 PM
Maybe God will send you a messenger to enlighten you about reality.
Are you a disciple of the Lord, or is that a reality you confirm without Scripture?
Proverbs 14:23
"In all labour there is profit: but the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury."
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 08:56:38 PM
Are you a disciple of the Lord, or is that a reality you confirm without Scripture?
Proverbs 14:23
"In all labour there is profit: but the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury."
My reality is a lot different than yours. I don't believe that Scripture is the final authority or proof of anything. As such, supporting your position by quoting Scripture is meaningless to me.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 18, 2010, 09:08:11 PM
My reality is a lot different than yours. I don't believe that Scripture is the final authority or proof of anything. As such, supporting your position by quoting Scripture is meaningless to me.
^ you don't believe the Gospel? then how are you going to enter into all wisdom? let alone suggest that God (God I say, not the Devil, or what you esteem) would send messengers without Scripture? You might as well say you don't believe God sends messengers, or some other nonsense, as you are standing by with a desire to kick against the pegs he fastened.
Quote from: TheArtist on November 18, 2010, 08:48:02 PM
Well apparently we will have to just agree to disagree lol. Good luck in your little fantasy world.
are you kidding? we all will reap what we sow, while all men at their best state are embracing dunghills daily before our eyes, while any hopes for glory days are being thoroughly scattered. fantasy nothing: for division and cursing the whole land will languish.
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 09:42:37 PM
^ you don't believe the Gospel? then how are you going to enter into all wisdom? let alone suggest that God (God I say, not the Devil, or what you esteem) would send messengers without Scripture? You might as well say you don't believe God sends messengers, or some other nonsense, as you are standing by with a desire to kick against the pegs he fastened.
are you kidding? we all will reap what we sow, while all men at their best state are embracing dunghills daily before our eyes, while any hopes for glory days are being thoroughly scattered. fantasy nothing: for division and cursing the whole land will languish.
Wow.
You're running out of time. You might want to think about continuing on building that ark.
So let's see...do they make tape measures in cubits?
Quote from: Hoss on November 18, 2010, 09:55:03 PM
So let's see...do they make tape measures in cubits?
Special order at Lowes
Quote from: Hoss on November 18, 2010, 09:55:03 PM
Wow.
You're running out of time. You might want to think about continuing on building that ark.
So let's see...do they make tape measures in cubits?
He follows an angry Jesus. One of his own making. I've met a few like him before. Full of hate and intolerance. It's a shame they exist.
His only argument is from a poorly thrown together tome.
And apparently, he's an alien.
Quote from: Townsend on November 18, 2010, 10:15:37 PM
And apparently, he's an alien.
I think he's a time traveler from Medieval Europe, probably the British Isles with his funny English. The structure and word choice reminds me of high school and college English classes and reading from that era.
Too bad he cannot adjust to even the 20th much less the 21st Century, he might enjoy his stay on earth a bit.
Quote from: Hoss on November 18, 2010, 09:55:03 PM
Wow.
You're running out of time. You might want to think about continuing on building that ark.
So let's see...do they make tape measures in cubits?
......i thought a tight ship is what you guys in O.K. were lusting to build in the form of highest current amount of construction labor projects in the U.S.?
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 18, 2010, 09:42:37 PM
^ you don't believe the Gospel? then how are you going to enter into all wisdom? let alone suggest that God (God I say, not the Devil, or what you esteem) would send messengers without Scripture? You might as well say you don't believe God sends messengers, or some other nonsense, as you are standing by with a desire to kick against the pegs he fastened.
are you kidding? we all will reap what we sow, while all men at their best state are embracing dunghills daily before our eyes, while any hopes for glory days are being thoroughly scattered. fantasy nothing: for division and cursing the whole land will languish.
One of my favorite scriptures is "Judge not, lest ye be judged"
I learned a long time ago not to question another person's faith. It's uniquely their own. What someone else practices might not work for me so who am I to say that being bound to scripture is a bad thing for you? That focus on dogma kept me from having a great spiritual relationship for many years. If it works for you, I'm happy for you. But you should realize more than most then that it's not your place to berate others for their knowledge or lack therof of Biblical scripture.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 18, 2010, 11:06:14 PM
One of my favorite scriptures is "Judge not, lest ye be judged"
I learned a long time ago not to question another person's faith. It's uniquely their own. What someone else practices might not work for me so who am I to say that being bound to scripture is a bad thing for you? That focus on dogma kept me from having a great spiritual relationship for many years. If it works for you, I'm happy for you. But you should realize more than most then that it's not your place to berate others for their knowledge or lack therof of Biblical scripture.
Quote from: Townsend on November 18, 2010, 10:14:52 PM
He follows an angry Jesus. One of his own making. I've met a few like him before. Full of hate and intolerance. It's a shame they exist.
His only argument is from a poorly thrown together tome.
Based on the record that I bear, none of those things you said are true. Now, since those things are not true, but they are wrestled and twisted by you, perhaps you can reconsider. Or play me out like I sin against the Lord and hate: do whatever is in your own heart to do.
Unemployment benefits discussion?
^yes youngtulsan, according to the o.p. article, this is going to be a "heated debate" (probably lacking strong reasoning) in Congress for the next weeks. So, what new things need to be said, that have not already been said?
In the interest of fiscal conservatism, benefits can't be indefinite. But if they are cut off, what other Gov't sponsored social assistance programs will these people be shifted off to? Seems like it's a net drain on resources either way. Forcing people off U/E benefits won't necessarily create an uptick in jobs. It will certainly lower the U/E rate as presently measured.