The investigator's report is out and it is full of the incriminating and the bizarre. Notable among it's contents are.
1. Statements and corroborating statements about notifying Dewey & Terry that JAG grant money could be retained.
2. E-mails from Dewey and Terry as far back as December discussing using the money to retain officers and prevent layoffs.
3. Press interviews and council statements from Dewey and Terry saying that the only way to use the JAG money was through a layoff.
4. Report from the investigator that he believed Dewey was being intentionally evasive, including the incident when he suddenly started acting like he thought his cell phone was burning, then blamed it on a peppermint.
5. Dewey interrupting the interview by standing up and saying "I have to take a wiz, where's the bathroom?" (note that the interview was done at city hall)
http://www.tulsacouncil.org/news/news-stories/2010/investigation_documents.aspx
Quote from: sgrizzle on July 02, 2010, 07:50:41 AM
The investigator's report is out and it is full of the incriminating and the bizarre. Notable among it's contents are.
1. Statements and corroborating statements about notifying Dewey & Terry that JAG grant money could be retained.
2. E-mails from Dewey and Terry as far back as December discussing using the money to retain officers and prevent layoffs.
3. Press interviews and council statements from Dewey and Terry saying that the only way to use the JAG money was through a layoff.
4. Report from the investigator that he believed Dewey was being intentionally evasive, including the incident when he suddenly started acting like he thought his cell phone was burning, then blamed it on a peppermint.
5. Dewey interrupting the interview by standing up and saying "I have to take a wiz, where's the bathroom?" (note that the interview was done at city hall)
http://www.tulsacouncil.org/news/news-stories/2010/investigation_documents.aspx
Was he drunk?
I guess that's better than "I think my pants are leaking."
So what's the back-lash now? They were saying yesterday morning on KRMG that there likely would not be any charges brought but that there could be administrative actions or sanctions. What would those consist of?
I bet Adelson's looking pretty smart right now...LOL.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 02, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
So what's the back-lash now? They were saying yesterday morning on KRMG that there likely would not be any charges brought but that there could be administrative actions or sanctions. What would those consist of?
Apparently lying to the council is punishable by a fine of $100 or up to 10days in jail.. not huge.
I think they can do a vote of no-confidence, supposedly they can limit the mayor's access to the council, supposedly they can recommend the mayor fire simonson. Not sure what all.
Quote from: sgrizzle on July 02, 2010, 10:19:10 AM
Apparently lying to the council is punishable by a fine of $100 or up to 10days in jail.. not huge.
I think they can do a vote of no-confidence, supposedly they can limit the mayor's access to the council, supposedly they can recommend the mayor fire simonson. Not sure what all.
I vote for the 10 days in jail. I think it would be a nice experiance for Simonson.
But yeah, given the limited ability of the council to actually act in this case, it seems it was really much adau about nothing. Just something to fan the flames of discontent.
Quote from: custosnox on July 02, 2010, 10:38:28 AM
I vote for the 10 days in jail. I think it would be a nice experiance for Simonson.
But yeah, given the limited ability of the council to actually act in this case, it seems it was really much adau about nothing. Just something to fan the flames of discontent.
I believe that if he is found criminally guilty of misconduct, the council can do much more.
Quote from: sgrizzle on July 02, 2010, 10:56:56 AM
I believe that if he is found criminally guilty of misconduct, the council can do much more.
He be Henderson's B_ _ _ _ then.
(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/site_furniture/2007/09/07/manindrag460.jpg)
Quote from: Gaspar on July 02, 2010, 11:00:44 AM
He be Henderson's B_ _ _ _ then.
(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/site_furniture/2007/09/07/manindrag460.jpg)
Now picture Henderson walking up behind him and you have a reeeeeaaallllyy scare thought. Now I'm off to find some mental bleach.
Quote from: custosnox on July 02, 2010, 11:26:47 AM
Now picture Henderson walking up behind him and you have a reeeeeaaallllyy scare thought. Now I'm off to find some mental bleach.
Quote from: sgrizzle on July 02, 2010, 12:29:49 PM
Well, you just killed my desire to watch internet porn.
Send to the Tulsa World send to the Tulsa World send to the Tulsa World
The mayor when on the council was on his way to the bathroom or coming from it. If questioned it was "there is a speaker back there where I can hear what is happening."
Turner was employed by the city when it was voted to change to a strong mayor. (Which exercises the same authority as the mayor under present charter)
Under the charter the council members could have a heap of trouble as the mayor is exercising the authority granted by a majority of the voters.
No one read the ballot as to its limitations (it could have contained about 100 words more than statute allowed.) Now 21 years later the council is yelling foul.
Where were the criticizing posters 21 years ago when all this was discussed at numerous city meetings and in the court as predicted to its outcome?
Quote from: sgrizzle on July 02, 2010, 12:29:49 PM
That has got to be the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
Quote from: Gaspar on July 02, 2010, 03:36:11 PM
That has got to be the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
It's wonderful to be able to find amusement as the comedians are leaving the stage turning it over to the million dollar actors. Will one find such enjoyment when the city is assessed hundreds of thousands in court cost and attorneys fees? The attorney being used is not cheap and has a lot of political clout. You can possibly see some funny things in the future.
Quote from: shadows on July 02, 2010, 07:37:41 PM
It's wonderful to be able to find amusement as the comedians are leaving the stage turning it over to the million dollar actors. Will one find such enjoyment when the city is assessed hundreds of thousands in court cost and attorneys fees? The attorney being used is not cheap and has a lot of political clout. You can possibly see some funny things in the future.
So then, what is your suggestion when the mayor and/or his staff are involved in possible illegal activity? Let it ride because it would be too expensive to do anything about it? Great logic there.
The KRMG morning crew played Incense and Peppermint yesterday about 5:15AM or so. I was out running and made me laugh so hard I had to stop.
Dewey is tripping.
Quote from: shadows on July 02, 2010, 02:43:42 PM
The mayor when on the council was on his way to the bathroom or coming from it. If questioned it was "there is a speaker back there where I can hear what is happening."
Turner was employed by the city when it was voted to change to a strong mayor. (Which exercises the same authority as the mayor under present charter)
Under the charter the council members could have a heap of trouble as the mayor is exercising the authority granted by a majority of the voters.
No one read the ballot as to its limitations (it could have contained about 100 words more than statute allowed.) Now 21 years later the council is yelling foul.
Where were the criticizing posters 21 years ago when all this was discussed at numerous city meetings and in the court as predicted to its outcome?
We were probably all playing Pac-Man...
Quote from: custosnox on July 02, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
So then, what is your suggestion when the mayor and/or his staff are involved in possible illegal activity? Let it ride because it would be too expensive to do anything about it? Great logic there.
No! but the entire episode could be compromised with a guiltily admission whereas they could be suspended for an hour with full pay on Sunday for committing a crime that's penalty is half of a speeding ticket as we ponder who invented the "Made in China" slogan. Tulsa citizens bought the pig in a poke and now it getting a little smelly to some.
Quote from: Hoss on July 03, 2010, 11:56:04 AM
We were probably all playing Pac-Man...
Right! We couldn't beat that program then and now we are drowning in the useless outdated computers that we used to play Pac-Man on as they have become a "hot potato" in their disposal, with unemployment increasing we have seen the flash of light and now await the thunder.
Quote from: HazMatCFO on July 03, 2010, 11:16:53 AM
Hmmm, the "Vibravoid" version...
Now this one is trippy:
My, how times have changed ;)
Quote from: shadows on July 03, 2010, 12:41:59 PM
No! but the entire episode could be compromised with a guiltily admission whereas they could be suspended for an hour with full pay on Sunday for committing a crime that’s penalty is half of a speeding ticket as we ponder who invented the “Made in China” slogan. Tulsa citizens bought the pig in a poke and now it getting a little smelly to some.
So you automatically assume that the possibility of Simonson being removed from his position is out of the question. While not a huge possibility, it seems to me that working to remove someone such as him is worth some pomp and circumstances on the occasion that the attempt is successful. To dismiss it out of hand is what encourages people like him to continue bleeding the coifers dry while pupeteering the mayor.
Quote from: shadows on July 03, 2010, 01:14:26 PM
Right! We couldn’t beat that program then and now we are drowning in the useless outdated computers that we used to play Pac-Man on as they have become a “hot potato” in their disposal, with unemployment increasing we have seen the flash of light and now await the thunder.
I do believe he was refering the the arcades, which would give rise to the idea that most of us where either too young to take action, or young enough that the significance of local politics matter little to none to us. It would be the equivalent of us asking you where your complaints were about how the city was run at the outbreak of WWI
I found this on blog.buildabettertulsa.org. I thought is was pretty well thought out so I'll post it here.
The Tulsa World has essentially become a PR rag for Dewey Bartlett. This is understandable since they rely on him to get information and a cozy relationship will continue to get them access to the mayor. We've already seen that the man is vindictive and small minded -- and he'll lie right to your face (I love how one moment he's praising the deputy Chiefs of the TPD for standing up and behind closed doors he's demanding they be disciplined for standing up to his bullying and lying).
In this editorial, the World claims that the investigation into Simonson and Bartlett are about arcane matters and almost echo Simonson's charge that it's all much ado about nothing. Please read the entire investigation -- it's eye opening. Apparently, honor, integrity and trust are arcane, unimportant matters to the Tulsa World.
Here's why it matters.
1. It exposes the Mayor's instability and dishonesty.
Mayor Bartlett can't reconcile the simple logic of what he was saying to the investigator -- we had to lay off before we could use the JAG grant to re-hire cops -- and what his offer to the FOP was -- if you'll take my contract concessions, we can use the JAG grant to avoid layoffs. He couldn't have it both ways, and the realization of it confounded him. So the logical inconsistency with his own lies befuddles the man, letting us know that his positions are not thought out.
During the investigation, Dewey's freakout to get into the Council's Executive Session was well documented (Funny, the mayor couldn't be bothered to show up to Council meetings, but the one meeting he wants to be there, they don't want him). He was panicked to get into the session to see what the report said.
We know why now, the report lists numerous lies by the mayor.
During his questioning, Dewey was evasive and obtuse. He even resorted to pretending to smell something burning so he could avoid answering a question. This, while hilarious, is also disturbing. Rather than answer a question he'd been asked numerous times at that point, he was so slow and dim that the best he could come up with was the equivalent of "Your shoe's untied." He resorted to a five year old's tactics. I don't want someone that dumb in charge of my city.
2. It showed how this Mayor and Chief of Staff play politics.
Bartlett and Simonson have no sense of integrity and are willing to lie and scapegoat to get their way.
Make no mistake, Simonson and Bartlett have consistently scapegoated the police -- the only group to stand up to them until the Council had an assfull. Granted, the police deal with liars every day, so they caught onto Bartlett and Simonson pretty quick. But they had to sit back and take Bartlett and Simonson demonizing them over and over with the JAG grant debate -- they said over and over, it's their fault they were laid off, not ours. The police department took a beating in the press, but they stuck to their guns. They said the Mayor was untrustworthy and, guess what, they were right.
And, there's no honor amongst liars. Simonson, on page 15 of the report, throws his boss under the bus.
"It appears that Terry Simonson gave a statement to the City Council that he knew was not accurate, but claims that he was under obligation to present the Mayor's position and not his own opinion."
FYI, if you give a statement that you know is not accurate -- it's not an opinion, which is how Simonson and his attorney are spinning it -- it's a lie. Even more interestingly, in an interview on the March 25, 2010 KFAQ's Pat Campbell show, Simonson defined lying "in my opinion, is that you intentionally made a misrepresentation that materially harmed the city." Right there he admits intentionally making a misrepresentation that materially harmed the city -- in layoffs of police officers and the hundreds of thousands of dollars paid out for severance packages that would have been saved.
It's the Eichmann defense. I knew it was wrong, but I was under orders. So, at best, Simonson lied to the council because he's a coward who doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to his boss who is ordering him to lie. Or, at worst, Simonson knowingly lied to the Council without compunction. Either way, he's a liar.
Interestingly enough, Simonson, through his attorney David O'Melia, are spinning the investigation not as to it's veracity, but to the idea that the City Council has overstepped their authority by recommending the report to the City Prosecutor (BTW, do you really think that as vindictive as Bartlett has shown himself to be the City Prosecutor is going to have the guts to go forward with prosecuting Simonson? He'll be out of a job by day 2). What a horrible defense, they're essentially saying, "I lied, but you went to far in investigating it."
Who are they supposed to refer it to? I suppose probable cause exists that the police could arrest Simonson and Bartlett for the city misdemeanors.
Honor and integrity are not arcane matters, despite what the Tulsa World might think. Dewey and Simonson stand exposed as liars without Honor or Integrity. Are these the people we want governing our city?
If the World were really in Bartlett's pocket, I don't think they would have outed his truly bizarre behavior regarding the peppermint making him think one of his cell phones was on fire. They might have just written that he "avoided" the question rather than going into detail.
I find it particularly odd because he outright refused to answer other questions, so what did he gain by playing "let's pretend my pocket is on fire?" I think it's indicative of either extreme disrespect for the council and it's investigation. Or maybe he was on some new meds that made him loopy that day. Either way, such reports can only reduce the confidence of the public in him, so I fail to see how the World is treating Bartlett favorably.
The Tulsa World has frequently had a disconnect between its reporting and its editorial policy. A good example than this is in the World's reporting of John Sullivan's checkered legal past and history of alcohol abuse while endorsing him for re-election over a real, bona fide Eagle Scout, Doug Dodd. Many papers not owned by Rupert Murdoch let the reporters ignore the editorial board and let the editorial board ignore the reporting. Come to think of it, I prefer it this way.
Quote from: nathanm on July 03, 2010, 07:52:56 PM
If the World were really in Bartlett's pocket, I don't think they would have outed his truly bizarre behavior regarding the peppermint making him think one of his cell phones was on fire. They might have just written that he "avoided" the question rather than going into detail.
I find it particularly odd because he outright refused to answer other questions, so what did he gain by playing "let's pretend my pocket is on fire?" I think it's indicative of either extreme disrespect for the council and it's investigation. Or maybe he was on some new meds that made him loopy that day. Either way, such reports can only reduce the confidence of the public in him, so I fail to see how the World is treating Bartlett favorably.
Quote from: cynical on July 03, 2010, 09:05:24 PM
The Tulsa World has frequently had a disconnect between its reporting and its editorial policy.
As it should be. As long as the reporting isn't influenced by the opinion of the editorial board, I couldn't care less who they endorse or what they favor and can't in good conscience claim the entire paper is "in Bartlett's pocket." It will be a fair statement when you see news reporting obscuring facts that cast an unfavorable light on Bartlett.
Quote from: custosnox on July 03, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
So you automatically assume that the possibility of Simonson being removed from his position is out of the question. While not a huge possibility, it seems to me that working to remove someone such as him is worth some pomp and circumstances on the occasion that the attempt is successful. To dismiss it out of hand is what encourages people like him to continue bleeding the coifers dry while pupeteering the mayor.
I do believe he was refering the the arcades, which would give rise to the idea that most of us where either too young to take action, or young enough that the significance of local politics matter little to none to us. It would be the equivalent of us asking you where your complaints were about how the city was run at the outbreak of WWI
I would assume if one reads Article lll Section 1.5 and Article X section 5 of the charter as amended (new charter) that the mayor is standing on solid grounds and that the council actions are not in the scope of examination granted under the charter as such is reserved by the office of mayor. There seems to be a question in the council mind who is in charge of the city government. It could be assumed since the charter was approved by the governor, his office could place the city under marshal law to enforce the charter. The council seems to be on the wrong avenue that leads to charter changes that would give them the governing powers. The removal of any one of the 16 appointed assistants would be a delicate task. The door to all operations in the city has a Mayor name plate attached.
Atari wrote the 8 bit language that converted a toy to play Pac-Man on the TV screens thus made possible the Arcades I believe. The engineers of one of the adding machine manufactures seems to see a future in the use of 8 bits to convert them into images and took it to Japan who produce the circuit board PC's that created the unemployment we are facing now.
I was told by someone in the know that I should make sure and give Dewey's interview a once-over. Quite an interesting read:
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Mayor Bartlett admitted that if the FOP had agreed upon the proposal that included JAG funds there would have been no layoffs. This investigator then asked Mayor Bartlett how then, if officers had to be laid off before they could make reapplication for JAG funds to be used, could they offer JAG funds to avoid layoffs. Mayor Bartlett responded by saying the he did not know the answerto that but admits that the proposals to the FOP are approved by him.
This investigator then stated, for this to be true, (that layoffs could have been prevented of the FOP. voted to accept the proposal), then they would have had to make application for the reallocation of grant funds before the layoffs actually occurred. The Mayor responded by stating, "I might have been mistaken. I guess I will have to reevaluate my position on that one then." This investigator then stated that apparently someone was aware that JAG funds could be applied for to prevent layoffs because that was what was offered and Mayor Bartlett replied, "That's probably the case."
Mayor Bartlett would not say that his position was incorrect and again said that he would have to reevaluate his position on that one. He then said that he wanted to make a phone call and that he would call me back and give me a better answer. I told Mayor Bartlett that I would rather sit here and talk about it and he replied, "I'm sure you would but I don't want to." Mayor Bartlett then got up and said that he had to make a phone call and said that he didn't want to be painted into a corner. Mayor Bartlett then asked this investigator to wait for him and he would be back. The Mayor then walked out and closed the door and did not return for approximately 15 minutes.
When questioned further about this, Mayor Bartlett said that he was going to defer to Terry and that he can't recall the information that I was asking and that he had to "refresh his information." When asked who he talked to when he left the room, Mayor Bartlett said twice that it was not important and that he was going to let Terry answer his question and said that he will give you my answer.
Further, when asked how he authorized something the he didn't know he could get or even apply for, Mayor Bartlett paused for a very, very long time apparently thinking about his answer and then Mayor Bartlett asked if I smelled something burning. He said that he smelled something electrical, took his cell phones out of his pocket and sniffed them and asked me again if I smelled that. I told him no each time and he said, "I guess it was the peppermint I just ate." There was no odor of anything burning in the room either before or after this point.
Quote from: sgrizzle on July 06, 2010, 12:02:53 PM
I was told by someone in the know that I should make sure and give Dewey's interview a once-over. Quite an interesting read:
Wow. And we voted this guy in? Sheesh.
Quote from: Hoss on July 06, 2010, 12:17:13 PM
Wow. And we voted this guy in? Sheesh.
One is unable to change the charter by ordinance, The path being taken by the council is like a pack of dogs barking around the tree at the squirrel that left years ago. The councilor's as individuals are not immune from slander. The archives of the election board on N. Denver shows the attempts to change the charter over the last several years. It could be wise for some of the councilors to start digging their fox hole before the "powers to be" take aim.
Quote from: shadows on July 06, 2010, 01:43:29 PM
One is unable to change the charter by ordinance, The path being taken by the council is like a pack of dogs barking around the tree at the squirrel that left years ago. The councilor's as individuals are not immune from slander. The archives of the election board on N. Denver shows the attempts to change the charter over the last several years. It could be wise for some of the councilors to start digging their fox hole before the "powers to be" take aim.
And the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon...
Finally someone has a solution to our problems. A firing squad. That is, a squad that should be fired? Or set on fire? Or is it a squad of foxes we're going to set dogs on to?
Wait, I had a thought for the story line..."slanderous foxes squirrel out of their holes before barking dogs chase them into the election board on N. Denver where "powers to be" have been hiding for years.
Yeah, thats it. ;)
Quote from: patric on July 03, 2010, 01:36:44 PM
Hmmm, the "Vibravoid" version...
Now this one is trippy:
My, how times have changed ;)
If someone doesn't use that song in a commercial when running against Bartlett next election, assuming he is dumb enough to run ;) , I will be sorely disappointed.
The federal grand jury was convened in Arkansas to investigate the corruption in the city of Tulsa. Even with this the controlling factors have stopped the going forward on the issues. It takes federal action to settle the accusations being thrown around, but where are the checks and balances in the instant situation? It is especially hard to explain to those who cannot even read or insert the meaning intended in the blank parts between the lines. Tulsa wanted a single person to control. They got it after several attempts with now some thinking it was done in haste. Regardless of the media's reporting's, my money would be placed on the mayor, not only to show but to prevail.
Quote from: shadows on July 06, 2010, 04:10:28 PM
The federal grand jury was convened in Arkansas to investigate the corruption in the city of Tulsa. Even with this the controlling factors have stopped the going forward on the issues. It takes federal action to settle the accusations being thrown around, but where are the checks and balances in the instant situation? It is especially hard to explain to those who cannot even read or insert the meaning intended in the blank parts between the lines. Tulsa wanted a single person to control. They got it after several attempts with now some thinking it was done in haste. Regardless of the media's reporting's, my money would be placed on the mayor, not only to show but to prevail.
Great! Now my phone really is on fire.
Quote from: Gaspar on July 06, 2010, 04:14:09 PM
Great! Now my phone really is on fire.
Is it practicing self preservation techniques?
Quote from: Gaspar on July 06, 2010, 04:14:09 PM
Great! Now my phone really is on fire.
Hey at least you're getting signal! Or do you not have the iPhone4?
;D
Quote from: Hoss on July 06, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Hey at least you're getting signal! Or do you not have the iPhone4?
;D
I'm still doing good.
So it be in case of slander, unless the cause is proven, the unemployment lines for attorneys will be greatly reduced as juries considers an employee loosing a $600,000 dollar job in cases of other venue change. Who is being setup? $600,000 salary plus cost and punitive damages? Have a good fun filled day. It could be like the cry "fire in the hole" on the wooden sailing ship.
Quote from: Hoss on July 06, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Hey at least you're getting signal! Or do you not have the iPhone4?
;D
What is an iPhone4? I thought that they were sending messages in Tulsa by beating on a hollow log with a club. ;D ;D ;D
Now Mayor Bartlet (sic) has hired an attorney so he can fully focus on the business of the city. I'd sure hate to see how things would be going if he was terribly distracted based on what we've seen out of his admin so far.
Anyone have Mark Perkins' phone number?
Quote from: shadows on July 07, 2010, 12:28:22 PM
What is an iPhone4? I thought that they were sending messages in Tulsa by beating on a hollow log with a club. ;D ;D ;D
That's too technologically advanced for you...
Quote from: Hoss on July 07, 2010, 01:13:13 PM
That's too technologically advanced for you...
Imagine Shadows with an iPhone, an unlimited text messaging plan, and your cell #.
Quote from: sgrizzle on July 07, 2010, 05:32:33 PM
Imagine Shadows with an iPhone, an unlimited text messaging plan, and your cell #.
A drunken Charlton Heston as Moses calling you each hour on the hour?
Quote from: swake on July 07, 2010, 07:14:50 PM
A drunken Charlton Heston as Moses calling you each hour on the hour?
Maybe Charlton Heston, but maybe as 'Planet of the Apes'?
"Take your hands off me, you damned dirty ape!"
Quote from: Hoss on July 07, 2010, 07:35:50 PM
Maybe Charlton Heston, but maybe as 'Planet of the Apes'?
"Take your hands off me, you damned dirty ape!"
Possible the mayor thought out houses went with the 65M deal for a new CH.