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Not At My Table - Political Discussions => National & International Politics => Topic started by: Conan71 on June 22, 2010, 01:59:14 PM

Title: Who's Lying? Pres. Obama Or Sen. Kyl
Post by: Conan71 on June 22, 2010, 01:59:14 PM
I'd not heard this until last night, but if it's true, it's an ugly example of withholding one of the needed and expected services of the Federal Gov't to help promote the passage of an idealistic agenda.

"Kyl paraphrased Obama as saying, in a private meeting, "the problem is if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform."

"In other words, they're holding it hostage," Kyl said. "They don't want to secure the border unless and until it is combined with comprehensive immigration reform."

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=45537&oref=todaysnews



Title: Re: Who's Lying? Pres. Obama Or Sen. Kyl
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on June 22, 2010, 02:08:03 PM
Ah yes, the good 'ole prove this didn't happen.
Title: Re: Who's Lying? Pres. Obama Or Sen. Kyl
Post by: Hoss on June 22, 2010, 02:09:36 PM
If it refers to politicians, then it cancels out; they're both liars.
Title: Re: Who's Lying? Pres. Obama Or Sen. Kyl
Post by: Gaspar on June 22, 2010, 02:13:41 PM
I'm with Hoss on that. 

I don't think this President would ever take advantage of a crisis just to get legislation passed.  Completely not his style.  ;)

Title: Re: Who's Lying? Pres. Obama Or Sen. Kyl
Post by: Gaspar on June 22, 2010, 02:18:25 PM
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/Letter_to_President_Obama.pdf
Senators Challenge Pres. Obama on Rumors of Executive Order Amnesty
Several Senators have learned of a possible plan by the Obama Administration that would provide a mass Amnesty for the nation's 11-18 million illegal aliens. Led by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), eight Senators addressed a letter to the President asking for answers to questions about a plan that would allow DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano to provide an amnesty if they can't secure enough votes for a bill in the Senate.

The letter that was sent to Pres. Obama earlier today asks the President for clarification on the use of deferred action or parole for illegal aliens. The executive actions are typically used in special cases and are evaluated on a case-by-case basis, but if 60 votes can't be secured in the Senate to pass a mass Amnesty, the Administration may use the discretionary actions as an alternative.
Title: Re: Who's Lying? Pres. Obama Or Sen. Kyl
Post by: nathanm on June 22, 2010, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on June 22, 2010, 02:18:25 PM
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/Letter_to_President_Obama.pdf
Senators Challenge Pres. Obama on Rumors of Executive Order Amnesty
Several Senators have learned of a possible plan by the Obama Administration that would provide a mass Amnesty for the nation's 11-18 million illegal aliens. Led by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), eight Senators addressed a letter to the President asking for answers to questions about a plan that would allow DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano to provide an amnesty if they can't secure enough votes for a bill in the Senate.

The letter that was sent to Pres. Obama earlier today asks the President for clarification on the use of deferred action or parole for illegal aliens. The executive actions are typically used in special cases and are evaluated on a case-by-case basis, but if 60 votes can't be secured in the Senate to pass a mass Amnesty, the Administration may use the discretionary actions as an alternative.
Aren't baseless rumors awesome?
Title: Re: Who's Lying? Pres. Obama Or Sen. Kyl
Post by: Conan71 on June 22, 2010, 03:09:52 PM
Where's Nixon and his reel-to-reel when you need him?
Title: Re: Who's Lying? Pres. Obama Or Sen. Kyl
Post by: guido911 on June 22, 2010, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 22, 2010, 01:59:14 PM
I'd not heard this until last night, but if it's true, it's an ugly example of withholding one of the needed and expected services of the Federal Gov't to help promote the passage of an idealistic agenda.

"Kyl paraphrased Obama as saying, in a private meeting, "the problem is if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform."

"In other words, they're holding it hostage," Kyl said. "They don't want to secure the border unless and until it is combined with comprehensive immigration reform."

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=45537&oref=todaysnews





Obama's prior statements in 2004 seems to support Kyl's position: