Tulsa has a new field of dreams. Build it and they will come. Someone forgot that Tulsa is a fast track city with a very short tension span. Even they would not support football and now on the short run it is indicated that much difficulty is being encountered in holding the audience in their seats in the slow moving baseball games.
Do you believe that Tulsa can overcome the concept that all entertainment, like concerts, can be converted to the fast track?
Quote from: shadows on April 13, 2010, 03:19:15 PM
Tulsa has a new field of dreams. Build it and they will come. Someone forgot that Tulsa is a fast track city with a very short tension span. Even they would not support football and now on the short run it is indicated that much difficulty is being encountered in holding the audience in their seats in the slow moving baseball games.
Do you believe that Tulsa can overcome the concept that all entertainment, like concerts, can be converted to the fast track?
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Hoss, spot on!
I've got him covered on the "short tension span"
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Tulsa field of dreams
Difficulty encountered
Slow moving baseball
Quote from: Conan71 on April 13, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
Hoss, spot on!
I've got him covered on the "short tension span"
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Good job!
The $2 dollar tickets produced less than $10.000 in gross revenue. Any business person know when they unlock the door each morning how much the cost of doing business is going to be that day. Now one would assume that the cost in the instant case would not cover the opening of the doors.
The now crowd who pay $50.00 per ticket to hear the jive screamers puts many of the world series fans of the thirties in the rocking chairs.
Quote from: shadows on April 14, 2010, 07:16:58 PM
The $2 dollar tickets produced less than $10.000 in gross revenue. Any business person know when they unlock the door each morning how much the cost of doing business is going to be that day. Now one would assume that the cost in the instant case would not cover the opening of the doors.
The now crowd who pay $50.00 per ticket to hear the jive screamers puts many of the world series fans of the thirties in the rocking chairs.
Tuesday tickets are
loss leader promotions
Better than nothing
shadows doesn't understand
business or government
make him some pudding
Quote from: RecycleMichael on April 14, 2010, 11:00:31 PM
shadows doesn't understand
business or government
make him some pudding
Have been told that white elephants love peanuts when fed by the bureaucracies. Specially when building monuments as the only distributor in the city charging cost to the rate payers. Then also the franchise tax assessed by the city is placed on the rate payers bill. Only the elitist of the inter circle thrive on this concept from their own little private cubby holes. Losses on the promotion tickets are charged back to the rate payers.
Quote from: shadows on April 15, 2010, 07:38:41 PM
Have been told that white elephants love peanuts when fed by the bureaucracies. Specially when building monuments as the only distributor in the city charging cost to the rate payers. Then also the franchise tax assessed by the city is placed on the rate payers bill. Only the elitist of the inter circle thrive on this concept from their own little private cubby holes. Losses on the promotion tickets are charged back to the rate payers.
Stadium naming
does not imply ownership
get it right, my man
Quote from: nathanm on April 15, 2010, 07:51:40 PM
Stadium naming
does not imply ownership
get it right, my man
For a minute there that didn't look like the traditional 5-7-5 haiku.
Well done.
Quote from: shadows on April 14, 2010, 07:16:58 PM
The $2 dollar tickets produced less than $10.000 in gross revenue. Any business person know when they unlock the door each morning how much the cost of doing business is going to be that day. Now one would assume that the cost in the instant case would not cover the opening of the doors.
The now crowd who pay $50.00 per ticket to hear the jive screamers puts many of the world series fans of the thirties in the rocking chairs.
you do realize that those same people that buy the 2 dollar ticket are also going to pay 4 dollars for a large pop, 5 dollars for a large beer, 3.25 for a hot dog and so forth and so on? You don't expect these people to come out to the ballpark, sit there and not eat/drink anything. Come on man......
Just like thirsty thursdays, those people not only drink beer, but also eat hotdogs, cotton candy, ice cream, yada yada yada.
Quote from: TUalum0982 on April 15, 2010, 07:59:06 PM
you do realize that those same people that buy the 2 dollar ticket are also going to pay 4 dollars for a large pop, 5 dollars for a large beer, 3.25 for a hot dog and so forth and so on? You don't expect these people to come out to the ballpark, sit there and not eat/drink anything. Come on man......
Just like thirsty thursdays, those people not only drink beer, but also eat hotdogs, cotton candy, ice cream, yada yada yada.
It was advertised as $2 night with hotdogs and other eats going for two dollars. The figures quoted must be the charges paid to the specials kitchens in the elite's cubby holes.
Sorry thought the rate payers park would be owned in under table transactions by the rate payers that were already overcharged by desk shuffling of supplies.
Quote from: shadows on April 15, 2010, 08:36:27 PM
It was advertised as $2 night with hotdogs and other eats going for two dollars. The figures quoted must be the charges paid to the specials kitchens in the elite's cubby holes.
Sorry thought the rate payers park would be owned in under table transactions by the rate payers that were already overcharged by desk shuffling of supplies.
actually I sat down 2nd row, 3rd base side behind the dugout with the "regular folk". Guess they discount the drinks and hotdogs too. 2 dollars is better then no dollars I guess, along with dogs and cokes too.
Quote from: shadows on April 13, 2010, 03:19:15 PM
Even they would not support football and now on the short run it is indicated that much difficulty is being encountered in holding the audience in their seats in the slow moving baseball games.
If you are refering to the USFL, no one supported it, period.
http://members.fortunecity.com/showboats92/usfl_teams.html (http://members.fortunecity.com/showboats92/usfl_teams.html)
And who wanted to go and sit in Skelly Stadium on a wonderful muggy July evening?
USFL Time Line: http://members.fortunecity.com/showboats92/usfl_time.html (http://members.fortunecity.com/showboats92/usfl_time.html)
Also don't forget at the same time we were in the midle of a recession.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession)
Quote from: shadows on April 14, 2010, 07:16:58 PM
The $2 dollar tickets produced less than $10.000 in gross revenue. Any business person know when they unlock the door each morning how much the cost of doing business is going to be that day. Now one would assume that the cost in the instant case would not cover the opening of the doors.
The now crowd who pay $50.00 per ticket to hear the jive screamers puts many of the world series fans of the thirties in the rocking chairs.
10,000 in revenue is better then nothing. It's not like they can say "well, the game is cancelled tonight, not enough tickets are sold, we arent making any money".
One other thing...what is it with you and always mentioning "the elitist" or the crowd who pays 50 bucks, blah blah blah. Something against people with money? I am not one of them by any stretch of the imagination, just trying to figure out if you are jealous, envious, upset, angry or happy that certain people have wealth and spend their money how they want to.
Quote from: TUalum0982 on April 16, 2010, 05:30:58 PM
10,000 in revenue is better then nothing. It's not like they can say "well, the game is cancelled tonight, not enough tickets are sold, we arent making any money".
One other thing...what is it with you and always mentioning "the elitist" or the crowd who pays 50 bucks, blah blah blah. Something against people with money? I am not one of them by any stretch of the imagination, just trying to figure out if you are jealous, envious, upset, angry or happy that certain people have wealth and spend their money how they want to.
No, not any of the above. Just trying to give a voice to the rate payers who sit in cold houses in the winter and hot houses in the summer who ration their food supply in this reverse Robin Hood economy that robs the poor to give it to the rich. Half the world is in revolt tonight for this cause. Do you realize that a spark of a peaceful revolt against this cause happened yesterday in Tulsa? Is it not better to address the dark cloud before we hear the thunder?
Quote from: shadows on April 16, 2010, 06:28:39 PM
No, not any of the above. Just trying to give a voice to the rate payers who sit in cold houses in the winter and hot houses in the summer who ration their food supply in this reverse Robin Hood economy that robs the poor to give it to the rich. Half the world is in revolt tonight for this cause. Do you realize that a spark of a peaceful revolt against this cause happened yesterday in Tulsa? Is it not better to address the dark cloud before we hear the thunder?
I am the same way. My house is generally cold in the winter, and hot in the summer. Ask my wife. Our first year in our new house, I turned on the heat exactly twice, TWICE!! I am all about having nice things, but when it comes to inmatieral, non tangible things like heat and air....I'm a cheapass.
But what I dont understand is having paid 25 dollars total for two drillers tickets, parking was free (found an expired meter) and spending 14.25 on 2 cokes, 2 hotdogs makes me one those elitest type people.
Quote from: dbacks fan on April 16, 2010, 02:35:19 PM
If you are refering to the USFL, no one supported it, period.
http://members.fortunecity.com/showboats92/usfl_teams.html (http://members.fortunecity.com/showboats92/usfl_teams.html)
And who wanted to go and sit in Skelly Stadium on a wonderful muggy July evening?
USFL Time Line: http://members.fortunecity.com/showboats92/usfl_time.html (http://members.fortunecity.com/showboats92/usfl_time.html)
Also don't forget at the same time we were in the midle of a recession.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession)
Hate to make excuses for the one-and-done Oklahoma Outlaws, but it seemed like all the home games that season were cold, wet, and ugly... even then, I'm pretty sure they still managed to draw better crowds than the Arizona Outlaws from the following year... I always remembered the USFL as more of a spring league.
Muggy summer evenings were pretty popular for the Roughnecks fans.......
http://www.tulsaroughnecks.com/Scores___Crowds_1978-84.html
This one's from a NYC tv broadcast on June 13th, 1979...... announced crowd of over 30k at Skelly....
Panoramic view of Zingo/Bell's, national anthem sung by the one and only Billy Eckstine.... and if you don't like
Knock on wood, go to 3:40 for the gooooooooaaaal..... and the crowd goes wild!..... ;D
Seriously though, I miss the good old days when people with money bought box seats but still had fun sitting in the crowd-- unlike the segregated "luxury boxes" and "corporate suites" that have become so essential to the modern day major league business model that focuses on "revenue streams" over the fans.....