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Title: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Gold on April 09, 2010, 12:07:55 AM
(Copy and pasted from TU board, http://www.tulsa.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1775&tid=132975457&mid=132975457&sid=1115&style=2)

The stadium is pretty fun. Lots of booze being sold. More than I thought they would. I sort of question the viability of the business model in August. Lots of old school Tulsa peeps; very little actual baseball watching as a result. Got a little old.

The actual stadium is beautiful. You prolly want to be on the third base line for the best view of downtown. From the upper level, you can even see Boston Avenue Methodist. It's pretty stunning. The weather was very nice until the end.

Parking wasn't that big of a deal. Of course, we have a parking lot of the street. It's not as easy as the Fairgrounds, but overall, it's better.

They need to have a promo where someone gets free U-haul for life if they hit the U-haul truck on the building across the street. Just sayin'.

I think I saw Bandfan dancing on the screen. Lol.

They are clearly figuring out the kinks. The sound system had Reynolds Center like issues. Tim McGraw tried to address the crowd, but you couldn't hear him for a minute or two. The MC guy was way too freaking loud at times. The home plate ump got pissed at the volume and/or length of the intro music for the first batter. Funny to watch.

They need to get the kids off the dugouts for dancing. Someone will get hurt.

I have seats to this area that is under a cover and it has waitresses. One waitress was very good. They had this weird menu that didn't have everything; I just wanted a regular dog -- I like my nitrates to be pure and not spoiled by the filth of vegetables -- but all they would let us order were Chicago dogs. If you know anything about Gold, you know that Gold hates Chicago in the same plane that he hates Rice, the Voice, Chris Medlock, OSU, phony coneys, and kiss cam. But, that was a tasty dog.

The seats got us access to this bar upstairs that is on a level with boxes with similar to the suites at Chapman. The bar was OK; nice bartenders, but $9 for some average grub (think Oneok area during C-USA tourney). Saw Terry Simonson up there; it's that kind of crowd. (Somebody call the federales.)

This place employs a lot of people. It seemed like there were at least 20 kiosks hawking different types of food that was bad for you.

There are a lot of nooks to the place and I didn't attempt to find them all. There is a margarita type deal with tiki torches and a somewhat private bar on the third base line upstairs; looked like something similar on the first base side. The outfield has the bern seating, a playground, an SRO area, and this sort of tabled seating thing.

They had the TU cheerleaders out for the introduction of the players along with the 66ers cheerleaders and some high school that wears red. (Union?) Nice touch. Saw Bubba and some other athletic department types.

The actual game kind of sucked. I never pay much attention at the Drillers. I'm not sure we have a manager. There was at least one horrid call that didn't go our way and no one came out. We kept the starter in too long and he got shelled. My favorite player, Al Albuquerque, got shelled. (I figured momma named her boy after that dood from A-town, but didn't remember real his name.) Lineup looks weak.

But, who cares? The place is about selling calories. Tasty, tasty calories.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: JeffByNight on April 09, 2010, 07:18:28 AM
I had a fantastic time, food and beer selections are awsome. The view and environment are incredible. I was right behind the dugout on the 3rd base line, and their was empty seats everywhere from what i saw, sucks seeing as how alot of my friends were dying to go to this game. their fault for sleeping on tickets though i suppose

I havent checked the logistics yet, but it seems as though there is alot less seating than the old field?
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Breadburner on April 09, 2010, 08:37:07 AM
The starter only gave up 1 run and 4 hits in 6 innings........Now who was watching the game and who wasn't..... ;D
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: SXSW on April 09, 2010, 08:41:04 AM
Looks like all we need now is a good team.  I wonder what the prospects are for bringing AAA baseball to Tulsa?  I'd rather watch games against OKC, Omaha, Sacramento, Albuquerque, Nashville, Portland, etc. than Corpus Christi, Springfield, Midland, etc.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: jne on April 09, 2010, 10:00:09 AM
Stadium was great.  Parking seemed to be no problem. I sat a little behind home plate - very close to the Marshall and Choc:)  Place was packed early.  As the weather turned cold, and with the game not going so well, it thinned out later.  I love how you can go to the beer line or grab some food and never miss any of the game.  They are definitely working out some kinks.  The sound was a mess and at times let out a squeal that could be used as a non-lethal weapon in warfare - it was brutal. Also, there are some pretty serious pedestrian issues that are going to need some attention.  As we were walking back down Elgin, we got held up by a train.  There was a sizable crowd of folks waiting. Hardly anyone opted to go a block west and backtrack to the overpass. Then the train stopped, leaving the street crossing open a block east.  As we headed that direction we passed a train engineer who was warning folks to be aware that the train might be backing up yet.  Then I heard him yelling at the top of his lungs.  It looked like (no big surprise here) some folks were cutting between cars at the crossing where we had been waiting.  I sure hope they put someone over there to prevent this situation.  There really needs to be a walkover of some sort. 
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 09, 2010, 02:46:17 PM
I was up in the tiki lounge for the game as well. My regular season tickets are on the first base side just past the dugout, but I wanted to do some talking with the muckity-mucks so we went there for the the first game.

I loved the whole feel of the stadium. Everybody was impresssed and everybody was proud that we had such a place in downtown Tulsa.

I get to throw out the first pitch for game seven. Come and see my blazing change-up.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: fotd on April 09, 2010, 03:25:19 PM
Quote from: RecycleMichael on April 09, 2010, 02:46:17 PM
I was up in the tiki lounge for the game as well. My regular season tickets are on the first base side just past the dugout, but I wanted to do some talking with the muckity-mucks so we went there for the the first game.

I loved the whole feel of the stadium. Everybody was impresssed and everybody was proud that we had such a place in downtown Tulsa.

I get to throw out the first pitch for game seven. Come and see my blazing change-up.

Imagine that.

What's the average Driller attendance?

Nice park.

More and more like Hicktown everyday.

Po Jenks.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Gaspar on April 09, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
Never pitched a ball before.  Went to Vegas for a trade show about 10 years ago.  At the reception they had a speed cage where us dudes in suits could test our pitching speed.  After several Heinekens it was my turn.  To my amazement I discovered I could throw a 67mph speed ball.  Faster than any of the other guys!!

I also learned that my shoulder comes out.  Kinda makes you want to poop yourself.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Townsend on April 09, 2010, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on April 09, 2010, 03:31:38 PM

I also learned that my shoulder comes out.  Kinda makes you want to poop yourself.

So many things do.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 09, 2010, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: fotd on April 09, 2010, 03:25:19 PM
Imagine that.

What's the average Driller attendance?

Nice park.

More and more like Hicktown everyday.

Po Jenks.

Do you purposely denigrate things because you are miserable, or are you miserable because you have no friends?
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: dbacks fan on April 09, 2010, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: RecycleMichael on April 09, 2010, 05:06:14 PM
Do you purposely denigrate things because you are miserable, or are you miserable because you have no friends?

Toss up, you can go either way and be right...... ;)
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Hoss on April 09, 2010, 06:06:27 PM
Quote from: RecycleMichael on April 09, 2010, 05:06:14 PM
Do you purposely denigrate things because you are miserable, or are you miserable because you have no friends?

Won't matter RM, he'll be gone before too long anyway.  Whether it's someone hacking into his account or whatever the next meltdown might be.

;D
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Breadburner on April 09, 2010, 06:22:01 PM
Lol@the fauxturd comments.....Back on topic.... It was great.......The sound system was the only real hick-up in the deal.....I wish Hardesty would have done another pass in the Jet from the other direction.....Fireworks tonight....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: fotd on April 09, 2010, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: RecycleMichael on April 09, 2010, 05:06:14 PM
Do you purposely denigrate things because you are miserable, or are you miserable because you have no friends?

According to Facebook, you have a zillion friends.

Way to go. I swear you were in the Facebook South Park episode last night while you drank beer, scouted the skirts and ate away. Find yourself: http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/

RM, it's not the quantity but the quality. Just fyi.

Play ball.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: SXSW on April 10, 2010, 11:24:55 AM
Quote from: jne on April 09, 2010, 10:00:09 AM
Stadium was great.  Parking seemed to be no problem. I sat a little behind home plate - very close to the Marshall and Choc:)  Place was packed early.  As the weather turned cold, and with the game not going so well, it thinned out later.  I love how you can go to the beer line or grab some food and never miss any of the game.  They are definitely working out some kinks.  The sound was a mess and at times let out a squeal that could be used as a non-lethal weapon in warfare - it was brutal. Also, there are some pretty serious pedestrian issues that are going to need some attention.  As we were walking back down Elgin, we got held up by a train.  There was a sizable crowd of folks waiting. Hardly anyone opted to go a block west and backtrack to the overpass. Then the train stopped, leaving the street crossing open a block east.  As we headed that direction we passed a train engineer who was warning folks to be aware that the train might be backing up yet.  Then I heard him yelling at the top of his lungs.  It looked like (no big surprise here) some folks were cutting between cars at the crossing where we had been waiting.  I sure hope they put someone over there to prevent this situation.  There really needs to be a walkover of some sort.  

They need either an underpass or overpass like at Cincinnati, Detroit, etc. for Elgin.  There are too many trains that come through there.  

And I thought to myself how cool it would be to have new loft apartments built on the south and west sides of the stadium, with some street level restaurant/retail space.  Nothing too tall to block the skyline, maybe 3-4 stories max.  That and better connections through the streetscaping to OSU and Blue Dome.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: fotd on April 10, 2010, 11:26:46 AM
And who is going to pay for that?

Show me the money....
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: TheTed on April 10, 2010, 12:03:45 PM
Being last in the downtown stadium boom really seems to have paid off, as they've taken the best things from a bunch of other new stadiums to make a really cool stadium.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: rwarn17588 on April 10, 2010, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: fotd on April 09, 2010, 07:41:13 PM

RM, it's not the quantity but the quality. Just fyi.


Said without a trace of irony.  :D
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Breadburner on April 11, 2010, 11:23:06 AM
I wonder if there is anything they can do about the scoreboard glare.......
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: pfox on April 12, 2010, 11:06:32 AM
I took pictures from atop the existing Greenwood buildings.  Great view...it's just screaming for some Wrigley-style rooftop seating...

Enjoy!  My fave is seeing the Cain's sign over the top of the pressbox...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zigzagurban/sets/72157623815830940/
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on April 12, 2010, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on April 09, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
Never pitched a ball before.  Went to Vegas for a trade show about 10 years ago.  At the reception they had a speed cage where us dudes in suits could test our pitching speed.  After several Heinekens it was my turn.  To my amazement I discovered I could throw a 67mph speed ball.  Faster than any of the other guys!!

I also learned that my shoulder comes out.  Kinda makes you want to poop yourself.

You should ask SGrizzle about his speed cage at the old drillers Stadium.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on April 12, 2010, 01:24:46 PM
If somebody can get me into the park It would be pretty cool to make a 360 degree gigapan from the field.

Would also like to get a gigapan from the outfield during the game. 
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Conan71 on April 12, 2010, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: Trogdor on April 12, 2010, 01:24:46 PM
If somebody can get me into the park It would be pretty cool to make a 360 degree gigapan from the field.

Would also like to get a gigapan from the outfield during the game. 


Call the Driller's front office.  I'd imagine they will take any and all publicity the field can generate.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: PonderInc on April 12, 2010, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: SXSW on April 10, 2010, 11:24:55 AM
They need either an underpass or overpass like at Cincinnati, Detroit, etc. for Elgin.

Or...a ski lift!  Come to think of it, what happened to the old Bell's Sky Ride?  (Did the fairgrounds buy it?)  How much would it cost to hook that sucker up and run it over the railroad tracks?  I think you need about 25 feet of clearance over railroad tracks. 

A gondola crossing over the railroad?  Why not?  I bet you could charge people to cross b/c it would be fun and weird.  And I bet it would be a lot cheaper than either a pedestrian bridge or the planned (some day, eventually) underpass.  Easy to install, with limited RR interruptions. 

(http://www.themedellinblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/metrocable.jpg)

Plus, if we had a "metrocable" crossing the RR tracks, all those rooftop signs in the Blue Dome District would finally make sense!
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: DowntownDan on April 12, 2010, 04:18:48 PM
So capacity is about 8,000.  Most AAA parks are at least 10,000.  Is there just zero interest in trying to upgrade the Drillers to AAA?  The issue never gets discussed and building the stadium smaller appears to be accepting AA status.  Is there a way to add 2000 or so permanent seats if a AAA opportunity arises?  Is there any effort whatsoever to pursue AAA status?
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Hoss on April 12, 2010, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: DowntownDan on April 12, 2010, 04:18:48 PM
So capacity is about 8,000.  Most AAA parks are at least 10,000.  Is there just zero interest in trying to upgrade the Drillers to AAA?  The issue never gets discussed and building the stadium smaller appears to be accepting AA status.  Is there a way to add 2000 or so permanent seats if a AAA opportunity arises?  Is there any effort whatsoever to pursue AAA status?

IIRC didn't they say they made the stadium upgradable to have more seats if needed?
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Conan71 on April 12, 2010, 04:34:37 PM
Quote from: PonderInc on April 12, 2010, 03:36:27 PM
Or...a ski lift!  Come to think of it, what happened to the old Bell's Sky Ride?  (Did the fairgrounds buy it?)  How much would it cost to hook that sucker up and run it over the railroad tracks?  I think you need about 25 feet of clearance over railroad tracks. 

A gondola crossing over the railroad?  Why not?  I bet you could charge people to cross b/c it would be fun and weird.  And I bet it would be a lot cheaper than either a pedestrian bridge or the planned (some day, eventually) underpass.  Easy to install, with limited RR interruptions. 

(http://www.themedellinblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/metrocable.jpg)

Plus, if we had a "metrocable" crossing the RR tracks, all those rooftop signs in the Blue Dome District would finally make sense!

Interesting idea, but the visual pollution it creates is almost as bad as billboards to me.  That's just me though, it's a very novel solution and I admire the creative thinking on it.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Renaissance on April 12, 2010, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: DowntownDan on April 12, 2010, 04:18:48 PM
So capacity is about 8,000.  Most AAA parks are at least 10,000.  Is there just zero interest in trying to upgrade the Drillers to AAA?  The issue never gets discussed and building the stadium smaller appears to be accepting AA status.  Is there a way to add 2000 or so permanent seats if a AAA opportunity arises?  Is there any effort whatsoever to pursue AAA status?

The problem is that there are only 30 AAA franchises and we'd basically have to steal one from another city.  I'd say you're right that the size of Oneok Field shows that Lamson is not pursuing this in the near future.

EDIT: If MLB were to ever expand to 32 teams, there would be four available AAA franchises (assuming two new ones and also that the expansion replaced two AAA teams in cities like Memphis or Portland).  Tulsa would probably be in line for one.  This wouldn't be any time soon but could occur in the next 10-15 years.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: TheTed on April 12, 2010, 08:02:03 PM
Is AAA even considered better? The future MLB stars may or may not spend much time in AAA, but they always spend time in AA. Every AAA game I've attended features way too many Stubby Clapps, the dudes who are career minor leaguers who make brief MLB appearances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stubby_Clapp
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: sgrizzle on April 12, 2010, 08:32:53 PM
Quote from: DowntownDan on April 12, 2010, 04:18:48 PM
So capacity is about 8,000.  Most AAA parks are at least 10,000.  Is there just zero interest in trying to upgrade the Drillers to AAA?  The issue never gets discussed and building the stadium smaller appears to be accepting AA status.  Is there a way to add 2000 or so permanent seats if a AAA opportunity arises?  Is there any effort whatsoever to pursue AAA status?

Opening day they sold 8,665 tickets. Many AAA fields have a capacity as low as 9,000. Original concepts for ONEOK Field included a second level of suites/part areas and reconfiguration can be done to expand sections, particularly 101 & 102.

Adding suites, party areas, and expanding some seating could add 500 or 1,000 seats if needed.

(http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/2009/12/07/pIwJrxZw.jpg)
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: we vs us on April 12, 2010, 10:27:32 PM
I haven't been to a game yet, but have to say . . . I was driving downtown when the game let out on Sunday afternoon and lo and behold!  Suddenly I was awash in pedestrians!  There was a mob of folks walking up to 4 blocks to get to their automobiles!  And not a one of them looked cranky about it! 

It gave me hope for America, I have to say. 
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: cynical on April 12, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: we vs us on April 12, 2010, 10:27:32 PM
I haven't been to a game yet, but have to say . . . I was driving downtown when the game let out on Sunday afternoon and lo and behold!  Suddenly I was awash in pedestrians!  There was a mob of folks walking up to 4 blocks to get to their automobiles!  And not a one of them looked cranky about it! 

It gave me hope for America, I have to say. 

I don't know how much farther people have to walk than at the old park.  We parked a few blocks away and walked to the stadium in about five-ten minutes.  I wasn't timing it because it didn't matter.  I've been to two games so far and had no trouble at all getting in or getting back out. 

What I do know is that the crowd disperses much more quickly because of having exits and parking areas in all directions.  I have been going to Driller Stadium for years, most recently with season tickets.  It was difficult to get through the stream of pedestrians leaving the stadium on fireworks nights because most of them left via the driveway behind the health department, especially if the bridge across the racetrack was closed. 

Having people downtown changes the vibe entirely.  I think this is a huge bonus for downtown, especially for the Blue Dome and Brady districts.

I would not suggest trying to drive east/west on Archer after a game.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: TheTed on April 13, 2010, 12:03:15 AM
The bike rack's been full every game, too.

I saw lots of people paying $10 to park a block and a half west of the stadium. I'll never get that, paying $10 to park in a small city on a weekend. Makes no sense to me, not with free parking 3 or 4 blocks from the stadium. I'd rather spend that $10 on a couple of stadium beers.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Red Arrow on April 13, 2010, 07:45:20 AM
Quote from: TheTed on April 13, 2010, 12:03:15 AM
The bike rack's been full every game, too.

I saw lots of people paying $10 to park a block and a half west of the stadium. I'll never get that, paying $10 to park in a small city on a weekend. Makes no sense to me, not with free parking 3 or 4 blocks from the stadium. I'd rather spend that $10 on a couple of stadium beers.

I just wouldn't go if I had to pay $10 to park. 

It could be that the word needs to get out that the metered parking is free evenings and weekends.  A co-worker of mine did not know that and paid $8 to park at a recent event downtown, and of course complained.  His complaint was more for the amount of money to park rather than the fact that he had to pay to park.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Townsend on April 13, 2010, 07:49:34 AM
Quote from: Red Arrow on April 13, 2010, 07:45:20 AM
I just wouldn't go if I had to pay $10 to park. 

It could be that the word needs to get out that the metered parking is free evenings and weekends.  A co-worker of mine did not know that and paid $8 to park at a recent event downtown, and of course complained.  His complaint was more for the amount of money to park rather than the fact that he had to pay to park.

American parking needs to go the heck away.  Every time I see one of their signs on a pothole filled weed choked lot it ticks me off.

On a positive note, the park is great and I'm truly pleased with it and the development going on around it.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: we vs us on April 13, 2010, 08:25:40 AM
Is it just me or are people much more positive about this field than they were about the BOK?  I feel like there're far more mixed feelings about the arena than there are about the ball field, and that includes the general enthusiasm for development nearby. 
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Conan71 on April 13, 2010, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: we vs us on April 13, 2010, 08:25:40 AM
Is it just me or are people much more positive about this field than they were about the BOK?  I feel like there're far more mixed feelings about the arena than there are about the ball field, and that includes the general enthusiasm for development nearby. 

It's not just you.

I can't put my finger on it with 100% certainty, but it was brought up in the early phases of discusssion about the team going to Jenks or downtown.  Ballparks downtown are simply a draw.  They also put this in an area ripe for re-development and in the midst of a larger area which was already renovated but really needed an anchor to bring more people in.  I've asserted from the git-go that the ball park would do more for downtown than DTU had done in the last 30 years.  There's something hip and cultural about a downtown ball park.

Why the BOK still seems maligned is beyond me.  They've had one big show after another, yet people still keep screaming from the FAIL wagon.

I've not had a chance to get to a Driller's game yet but will soon.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Hoss on April 13, 2010, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 13, 2010, 08:44:51 AM
snip...

Why the BOK still seems maligned is beyond me.  They've had one big show after another, yet people still keep screaming from the FAIL wagon.

...snip...

Likely because it was the largest public project ever done by the city/county and that it was the result of two previous failures.  Face it, many people in this part of the country just are not about progress, even when we did have a good economy at the time (although the cost got inflated due to a) higher energy costs and b) increase during the Katrina inflation.

It became quite the political hot-potato for some time.

My opinion was that if management worked hard enough, it would sell itself.  It appears Mr. Bolton and his crew have done an outstanding job of getting acts lined up.  Rush is icing on the cake.  I never thought I would see them here.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Conan71 on April 13, 2010, 09:41:53 AM
Apparently the BOK's ability to draw didn't diminish after the one year anniversary.  This has been a great thing for Tulsa, no two ways about it.

I'm happy I was wrong on my V-2025 naysaying, Tulsa County would look like post-modern Beirut in about five years without it.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: we vs us on April 13, 2010, 10:14:13 AM
Seriously. Not to make this thread about the BOK but it's been nothing but awesome for the city.  It's won national awards in its first year and has frankly just booked like gangbusters considering its size and location.  I think you're right, Conan . . . no two ways about it, it's a homerun.  And yet.  The FAILboating persists.

I wonder if it's as easy as it being a roofed venue.  There's something open and communal about a baseball stadium  (if you've been to Wrigley, you know what I'm talking about) that maybe an arena just doesn't have.  Especially if your arena is all modernist and stainless steel and somewhat forbidding.

Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Conan71 on April 13, 2010, 10:20:14 AM
I've only been inside two major league parks, Royals Stadium & Dodger's Stadium (about 1992, not sure if that is still the same park in LA). 

My favorite Wrigley Field reference:

(http://www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/images/scmods/locations/wrigley-field.jpg)
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Hoss on April 13, 2010, 10:26:43 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 13, 2010, 10:20:14 AM
I've only been inside two major league parks, Royals Stadium & Dodger's Stadium (about 1992, not sure if that is still the same park in LA). 

My favorite Wrigley Field reference:

(http://www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/images/scmods/locations/wrigley-field.jpg)

Yes, it's still the same park.

And I've also been to Kaufmann Stadium.  Very interesting.  I gained 5 pounds from sampling all the BBQ.  Since the Royals usually suck, I found out it's more of a social gathering than people watching a ball game.

And living in Houston for three years I got to see the Astros several times in their horrible Orange/Brown unis at the 8th wonder (Astrodome).  The next season after I left is when they redesigned their uniforms (1993-1994).
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Breadburner on April 13, 2010, 10:32:23 AM
People did not want to pay for the Bok....Alot of people still grumble about the way it looks.....
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: TheTed on April 13, 2010, 10:47:24 AM
Quote from: we vs us on April 13, 2010, 08:25:40 AM
Is it just me or are people much more positive about this field than they were about the BOK?  I feel like there're far more mixed feelings about the arena than there are about the ball field, and that includes the general enthusiasm for development nearby. 

I was never negative about the arena, but I'm definitely more positive about the ballpark because it's just so much more affordable. I'm not going to pay $100 and take a day off work (because it seems most of these events are on weekdays) to see some washed up act perform.

Minor league baseball is just much more accessible. Everyone can afford it. Everyone enjoys a day at the baseball park, vs. the arena where most people probably don't like a good percentage of the acts booked. You can have your pick of days of the week you want to go to a game, vs. the BOK where you have to go on a Tuesday if a certain act you like is booked for a Tuesday.

Despite living and working downtown, I've only been to the BOK maybe a half dozen times. I'll easily have visited ONEOK more than that by mid-summer.

Downtown is where baseball parks belong. I absolutely hate going to a game at a parking lot ballpark like in KC or Arlington, Texas. I'm pretty sure hell has a giant parking lot full of neverending converging lines of traffic all heading toward the same exit.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Hoss on April 13, 2010, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: Breadburner on April 13, 2010, 10:32:23 AM
People did not want to pay for the Bok....Alot of people still grumble about the way it looks.....

And that's their prerogative.  Much like it is mine to admire the architecture (which I do).  I still refer to it as the "mothership" though.

And internally, of all the larger arenas I've been to, this one seems much more open and not so cramped.  Ever been to ScottTrade Center?  AA Center in Dallas?  ScottTrade, when full with about 19000, seems so crowded in the concourse.  At least the BOK doesn't have that crowded feel when it's full.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: DowntownDan on April 13, 2010, 11:33:05 AM
I support the BOK center 100%.  My only gripes are that it was located in a part of town that will be hard to develop because of the ugly civic buildings nearby.  The ballpark was built in a perfect location, nestled at the crossroads of Greenwood, Brady, and Blue Dome districts.  Perfectly ripe for development.  I also think the BOK center is butt ugly.  Looks like a smashed roll of duct tape.  Wish it was more classical in architecture.  Very nice inside though.  I am just glad to see development of any type happening downtown. 
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: swake on April 13, 2010, 11:40:17 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 13, 2010, 10:20:14 AM
I've only been inside two major league parks, Royals Stadium & Dodger's Stadium (about 1992, not sure if that is still the same park in LA).  

My favorite Wrigley Field reference:

(http://www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/images/scmods/locations/wrigley-field.jpg)

I hate Illinois Nazis
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Townsend on April 13, 2010, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: swake on April 13, 2010, 11:40:17 AM
I hate Illinois Nazis

Oh man, I totally missed the reference.

I'm less cool because of that.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: JeffM on April 14, 2010, 01:42:14 PM
Quote from: swake on April 13, 2010, 11:40:17 AM
I hate Illinois Nazis

Does the new ballpark offer "both kinds of music....." ?

"I'll take 'esoteric movie quotes' for $500, Alex"
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: nathanm on April 14, 2010, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 13, 2010, 09:41:53 AM
Apparently the BOK's ability to draw didn't diminish after the one year anniversary.
There weren't a lot of empty seats at the Bon Jovi concert last night.

And yes, I paid $10 to park. I pay it for the privilege of not having to sit in gridlock.

Now I just need to find the time to get out to a game at the ballpark.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2010, 03:58:30 PM
Quote from: nathanm on April 14, 2010, 03:43:00 PM
There weren't a lot of empty seats at the Bon Jovi concert last night.

And yes, I paid $10 to park. I pay it for the privilege of not having to sit in gridlock.

Now I just need to find the time to get out to a game at the ballpark.

I'd heard this afternoon from one of my BOK Center hater friends that nosebleed seats for Bon Jovi were being given away at the last minute as the band will only play to a full house.  Who knows if that was true or not, and no idea who was getting the freebies if true.  Weren't the cheap seats only $13 to start with for this show?
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: custosnox on April 14, 2010, 05:07:27 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 14, 2010, 03:58:30 PM
I'd heard this afternoon from one of my BOK Center hater friends that nosebleed seats for Bon Jovi were being given away at the last minute as the band will only play to a full house.  Who knows if that was true or not, and no idea who was getting the freebies if true.  Weren't the cheap seats only $13 to start with for this show?

They were giving out seats by last night.  I don't think it was real wide spread, since the only people that I know who got any where some of my family, and we know some people at BOK.  They were selling them cheap up to that point, but when they were first being sold they were not that low.  We got my mom some tickets for christmas and they were $120 for the pair and were the cheapest ones.  Pisses me off that they dropped the price after that.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: nathanm on April 14, 2010, 05:22:14 PM
Quote from: custosnox on April 14, 2010, 05:07:27 PM
Pisses me off that they dropped the price after that.
They didn't drop the price, they decided to sell the seats behind the stage for super-cheap (like $15 or something). When the show first went on sale, the $15 sections were blocked off, as is usual for concerts there. Not that it's uncommon for that decision to be made after the show sells out. The same thing was done for Def Leppard. IIRC, Billy Joel/Elton John did not sell the seats behind the stage.

I wouldn't know about any seats being given away, since I got mine in the presale. (and still had relatively bad seats for the price because I had to buy nine)
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: dbacks fan on April 14, 2010, 06:01:53 PM
Speaking of baseball stadiums, my son who lives in Tulsa said they were going to demo the old stadium at the fairgrounds. Any word on this?
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2010, 08:05:52 PM
Quote from: dbacks fan on April 14, 2010, 06:01:53 PM
Speaking of baseball stadiums, my son who lives in Tulsa said they were going to demo the old stadium at the fairgrounds. Any word on this?

Nothing confirmed as of yet.  There's a member or two on here trying to convince them of viability as a sports stadium.  I'd hate to see it flattened, it's still in very good condition.
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: fotd on April 14, 2010, 08:30:20 PM
They're bringing back the stock car races....watch. This time with mufflers. Midas Stadium?
Title: Re: Game thoughts Oneok field
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2010, 08:48:43 PM
Quote from: fotd on April 14, 2010, 08:30:20 PM
They're bringing back the stock car races....watch. This time with mufflers. Midas Stadium?

In case your post wasn't tongue-in-cheek:

Won't happen.  Emmett Hahn has the contract for any motorsports events at the Expo.  He took an donkey pounding on the last outdoor auto racing promotion on the horse track in '04.  The present day sandy surface is horrible for auto racing, it was a disaster.  And, FYI, they had mufflers on them many seasons before they went up north for the 1985 season.

I have seen auto-crossing on the infield of the track in more recent times, but that's not a huge for-profit crowd draw in these parts.  Too many gun-toting racists, I suspect.

Sound isn't the only thing neighbors hate about race tracks, they don't like dust either.