The Tulsa Forum by TulsaNow

Spicoli speaks, wants critics to get rectal cancer


http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/03/05/sean-penn-hopes-critic-die-rectal-cancer/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fentertainment+%2528Text+-+Entertainment%2529

So what's the deal guido...?

Is your point that a "jackass" has a heart and you don't? :o

You are a genius!  That was exactly my point.

Badda-boomp.

OK.. so many now see that Haiti is and has always been an extremely poor country.
The one time I was there a "Rich" man was recognized by the fact that he wore shoes. It appears, not much has changed.

I always thought the US missed the boat by not offering aid and establishing a presence there... Many, many years ago.
It would have been an intelligent and inexpensive way to place certain things in a better arrangement after the Cuban fiasco, if nothing else.

Now... with any luck, that may get done on the aid being given by private, public, and Government players.

May well be an added employment source for the US job market. Much the way Katrina gave work to many.

Poverty, to the degree, that it exists in Haiti is not imaginable to most.

About the only financial support I give nowadays to the "needy" goes to help the people of Haiti and Jamaica. When I was in the latter place last year, I saw the type of homes that I was told would be built with my contributions.  As for poverty, it sucks seeing it up close and personal. Saw it in inland Jamaica (cinder block homes w/ no windows, no indoor plumbing) and in the hills of Honduras (don't get me started).

Now Spicoli wants news folks that refer to Hugo Chavez as a "dictator" to be jailed.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/03/08/sean-penn-wants-reporters-jailed-calling-chavez-dictator/

Apparently since he was "elected" he cannot be a dictator. Anyone here know of any dictators who claim to have been legitimately elected?

You could read it that way, or you could read it as what he really said, which was that he thinks people in positions of trust who lie to the public should be jailed. His example was indeed that Chavez has been elected repeatedly, and no legitimate election monitor has found significant fraud in any of them, despite the noise made by the media and those who are feeding them the stories about Chavez.

I don't like Chavez much, but he is the one speaking for the 80% of Venezuelans who previously had no voice in government. If he were really as bad as his critics claim, Marcel Granier would be dead or in prison, rather than merely having his station's broadcast license revoked after his support of the 2002 coup attempt.

Many people think that US Presidents have what amounts to dictatorial powers through things like the patriot act, yet we don't call them dictators, as they are legitimately elected.

Ah yes, another lib throwing the 1st Amendment under the bus. Let's ask Bushitler what his opinion is of being called a dictator.

Oh, and Hitler was elected too.

Liberals during the previous administration slid down the slope by associating with people like Penn and Chavez.  They were grasping for anything that was the antithesis of Bush.  Many Socialists, Communists, and many Dictators fit the bill because they could share the same hatred. 

Now such appearances as Penn on Bill Maher's show force liberals to defend their reasoning. 

The defense is clumsy and philosophically ethereal at best.

Chavez is a dictator no matter how you attempt to package him.
 

Even in this country, supporting a coup is against the law.

Benito Mussolini

Is Venezuela engaged in some war of aggression against its people's will that I'm unaware of?

Um, yes?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/21/record-serves-reminder-hugo-chavezs-human-rights-transgressions/

I wonder how many people have died at the hands of federal law enforcement in this country since 1999?

While I agree that the torture and degrading treatment is completely wrong, the rest of that list mirrors things that do happen or have happened in our own country just since 1980.

For example, we have federal oversight of union elections. Reagan busted the ATC union. Bush fired federal prosecutors whose political stance was not right wing enough. The Bush FBI subjected political opponents to harassment and groundless investigations. Reagan went on about "welfare queens" as a means to cut public support to poor people, who are generally strong Democratic supporters.

I continue down most of the list, and even provide links, but there's little point. You believe everything that is written on that page and seem to think it's OK when we do it but not OK when someone you don't like does it, so I'm probably just wasting energy typing. I'll stop now.

Edited to add: Also, my sentence was unclear. Mussolini and Hitler, they waged foreign wars of aggression. They massacred a significant fraction of their own population. Chavez has not done that, at least as of yet.

That was awesome how you both gave glancing attention to the torture and degrading treatment that is occurring in Venezuela under Chavez and turned this thread into a "bash former republican presidents thread" (funny how you ignored Clinton and the Waco incident, or the firing of the travel office staff).

Anyway, as for aggression, a Spanish judge is claiming Venezuela is collaborating with two terrorist organizations, ETA and FARC:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Spanish-Judge-Accuses-Venezuela-Of-Collaborating-With-ETA-And-FARC-To-Kill-Colombias-President/Article/201003115563486?f=rss

Also:


http://www.capitalresearch.org/blog/2008/03/05/hugo-chavez-terrorist/

You'll note that I never said he was a good guy, only that we have done most of the things on that list in our own country over the past 30 years. And more of it if we go back farther.

I don't like double standards.

If you're so against torture, why didn't you speak out against the well-documented torture that occurred in Abu Ghraib?

Ah yes, the double standard.  But Gweed will say 'if we do it, it ain't torture'.  Predictably.

Ballsiest post of the decade nominee.

So you guys are trying to justify the atrocities in Venezuela by saying: "We do it" or calling it a double-standard?

Wanna apply that as well to Idi Amin, Baby Doc Duvalier, Pinoche, Guevara, Castro, etc.?

Care to explain your reasoning?

I'm not justifying, just saying that if you're going to lambast Chavez for things that happen in Venezuela, perhaps you should also be lambasting our own government for doing the same.

As I've said on many occasions, torture is never justified.

You and folks like you (they know who they are) are all about double standards. Obama gets a pass on just about every freakin lie he utters, such as that no more "rendition", military tribunals, and keeping Gitmo open. Bush got savaged daily. Hell he is getting ripped in this thread.

We're not trying to justify it. It's just that there were a number of people on this forum who pooh-poohed or even endorsed the torture by the U.S. government, then turn around and complain about some other country that's doing the same thing. There's a lot of inconsistency there. Not to mention it's not wise to throw stones in glass houses.

If you're going to make a moral stand, you'd better have your own morals in order.

I'm just as upset about Obama doing those things as I was with Bush doing them. It's stupid.

It's not as if that's the first time I've written that on this forum, either.

Thus far, the only things Obama has done that I consider good things are opening a dialogue with other nations, thus bringing us closer to being friendly with them and not making things worse. (Aside from what I've already described as stupid: the surge in Afghanistan)

But hey, if you want to paint me with your broad brush of what some stereotypical "liberal" believes, that's your perogative. Hell, it's even understandable. That's what Fox News claims we're all about.

I don't ever recall reading anyone on here condoning what happened at Abu Ghraib.  Those responsible were tried and justifiably punished.  I can't think of anyone I know who condones police brutality either.  I still have no idea what any of that is doing in a thread about Hugo Chavez.

I have zero problem with severe coercion tecniques being used on enemy combatants if it manages to thwart more terror attacks on the U.S.  Anyone else happen to notice there's been a major slowdown in random attacks around the world (other than war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan and even those are improving) and not a single major attack anywhere close to the scale of 9/11 in over eight years now?  That didn't happen by sitting back and apologizing for being evil white devils to appease asshats who have zero conscience about torture themselves.  "Water boarding" became simply a catch-phrase to make the Bush administration and Congressional Republicans look like barbarians.  Don't be shocked to find out some day it (and worse types of torture) are still being done.

There's a huge difference between warfare and plain brutality.  Just ask the Kurds.

Chavez thanks Penn for defending him, adopts notion that people should be jailed for speaking out.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gULdDSQNMbw-z1DJugC6y1zAMJHwD9ECLKKO1

(http://i38.tinypic.com/213292e.jpg)

Ok Guido. Help me out here. What the hell is that ?

Part of Gweed's obsession with what he perceives as the 'liberal Hollywood elite'.

What the hell is that?

It's my breakfast I just puked all over my desk.