http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=227&articleid=20091002_227_0_Jenksf378416
Jenks football coach Allan Trimble has been suspended from his coaching duties the remainder of this semester, according to Jenks superintendent Kirby Lehman.
The coach who led Jenks to nine state championships since taking over in 1996 will no longer lead the Trojans this season. He won't coach tonight's road game against Sapulpa. Offensive coordinator Loren Montgomery has been named interim coach.
"He has not resigned, has not been asked to resign and resignation was never discussed," Lehman said in an interview this afternoon.
But Trimble is among three members of the Jenks athletic department who have been suspended in the wake of the school's penalties for using an ineligible player in the 2008 season. The Oklahoma Secondary School Activities Association forced Jenks to forfeit nine wins in 2008.
Others suspended at Jenks are athletic director Tony Dillingham for 15 days, and assistant football coach David Alexander for two games.
It's about time.................. Union is doing the same thing.
I know for a fact because a kid I know transferred to Union his Jr year. His mother was given a job and a place to live in the Union district.
There is a reason these two schools have dominated the 6A division for the last 10 plus years.
Quote from: unreliablesource on October 02, 2009, 08:40:38 PM
It's about time.................. Union is doing the same thing.
I know for a fact because a kid I know transferred to Union his Jr year. His mother was given a job and a place to live in the Union district.
There is a reason these two schools have dominated the 6A division for the last 10 plus years.
Ironically from someone named "unreliable source"
Quote from: unreliablesource on October 02, 2009, 08:40:38 PM
It's about time.................. Union is doing the same thing.
I know for a fact because a kid I know transferred to Union his Jr year. His mother was given a job and a place to live in the Union district.
There is a reason these two schools have dominated the 6A division for the last 10 plus years.
And don't believe it is just happening with football. I've heard of baseball and swimming doing the same thing.
They're cheaters... plain and simple. The coaches end up tarnishing the student's reputation.
You'd think getting caught blatantly cheating would be enough to get you fired. Apparently it's not if you're a good football coach. If the people of Jenks have any intestinal fortitude whatsoever, they'll see to it he does not return.
In high school sports, one player can make the difference between powerhouse and parity. Jenks and Union have long been rumored to shop the Tulsa system for those players. It will be difficult to prove however. These guys are pretty subtle.
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 02, 2009, 10:04:56 PM
Ironically from someone named "unreliable source"
Sorry Grizz...He nailed this one....
Quote from: Breadburner on October 03, 2009, 01:46:09 PM
Sorry Grizz...He nailed this one....
You know the same kid?
To me it is pretty obvious that something has been going on. What are the odds that two Tulsa schools would dominate the top division year in and year out? Some of it could be attributed to coaching or the desire of families with football prospects to be in that district - but the consistency of it is very telling.
And as long as I have lived here people have told me that the best athletes are "recruited" by the top high schools. Not to the official extent, and usually the accusation isn't a payola scandal. Just that such and such booster or school official helped them find an apartment and get enrolled. Everyone just seemed to accept it as normal.
Then again, when athletics becomes business and THE FOCUS of a community, then winning becomes an essential focus. I don't think varsity high school sports should be "yay, everyone gets equal time!" (kids have to learn all people aren't equal in all things at some point), but I at the end of the day it shouldn't be a business either. The Union Redskins Football pregame show is brought to you by MegaCorp . . .
When it became a business it was inevitable that corruption would increase. College sports went the exact same way and but-for strict policing by the NCAA it would be an all out pro-system in one season (it's damn close at the top level, *cough* USC *cough*). Bear in mind that they weren't caught, they were ratted out. So my guess is Jenks isn't alone in their tactics.
This is nothing new. Everyone knew Kejuan Jones was "recruited" by Jenks. Mother or Grandmother was found a job and a decent rental in the Jenks district. No one even tried to keep that a secret.
Could someone explain the dividing line between helping someone in a tough financial situation out and illegal recruiting?
Are we saying that kids transferring to Union or Jenks to play is only a problem if they're poor?
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 05, 2009, 10:21:42 AM
Could someone explain the dividing line between helping someone in a tough financial situation out and illegal recruiting?
As I understand it, a coach, booster, or someone affiliated with the program can not help a prospective athlete move into the district . . . period. They can't help find apartments, get jobs, waive transfer rules, find someone to room with, or help pay for utilities. In college football a booster can't do anything to assist in recruiting or even look like they are doing anything that might be recruiting, in high school sports there isn't supposed to BE any recruiting so no one associated with the program can do anything.
If the coaches want to help out they can contribute to their church, the United Way, Catholic Charities, Habitat . . . or any number of charities. They can NOT find top caliber athletes and decide they need help and then maybe they'll play on the team. Basically, if it could possibly be considered some kind of recruitment - then it should be avoided.
How many poor kids that don't play football did the coaches help move to the district? How many non-athletes did they find jobs for their parents? Find somewhere for them to live? Pay their utilities?
The answer is really irrelevant, because they can't even have the impression of "recruiting" according to the rules. Coaches, boosters, and anyone associated with the program are supposed to sit back and play with the kids in the district. Any activity that can be seen as encouraging players to come to the district or stay outside of institutional improvement is verboten!
Quote from: cannon_fodder on October 05, 2009, 12:04:35 PM
As I understand it, a coach, booster, or someone affiliated with the program can not help a prospective athlete move into the district . . . period. They can't help find apartments, get jobs, waive transfer rules, find someone to room with, or help pay for utilities. In college football a booster can't do anything to assist in recruiting or even look like they are doing anything that might be recruiting, in high school sports there isn't supposed to BE any recruiting so no one associated with the program can do anything.
If the coaches want to help out they can contribute to their church, the United Way, Catholic Charities, Habitat . . . or any number of charities. They can NOT find top caliber athletes and decide they need help and then maybe they'll play on the team. Basically, if it could possibly be considered some kind of recruitment - then it should be avoided.
How many poor kids that don't play football did the coaches help move to the district? How many non-athletes did they find jobs for their parents? Find somewhere for them to live? Pay their utilities?
The answer is really irrelevant, because they can't even have the impression of "recruiting" according to the rules. Coaches, boosters, and anyone associated with the program are supposed to sit back and play with the kids in the district. Any activity that can be seen as encouraging players to come to the district or stay outside of institutional improvement is verboten!
I heard that some of the "questionable" activities in the Jenks case was helping someone who was already in the district.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on October 05, 2009, 09:48:03 AM
And as long as I have lived here people have told me that the best athletes are "recruited" by the top high schools. Not to the official extent, and usually the accusation isn't a payola scandal. Just that such and such booster or school official helped them find an apartment and get enrolled. Everyone just seemed to accept it as normal.
It usually boils down to asking a school district resident to change the name on their water bill to reflect the name of a parent of a recruit so they can use the water bill as proof of residency, even though the recruit doesn't live in that district.
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 05, 2009, 12:42:27 PM
I heard that some of the "questionable" activities in the Jenks case was helping someone who was already in the district.
As I understand it an assistant coach gave ~$500 to a family of a player to turn utilities back on. You can't do that, unless you made a habit of donating money to everyone who needs to have their utilities turned back on. Even if he was just doing it to be a nice guy, it has the appearance of malfeasance and is therefor banned.
Self imposed suspension, then the district hires his wife in the football program? Really?
That's really showing the OSSAA!
Maybe Coach Trimble could use his new-found spare time to go to weight watchers. I worry about the guy.
Great message to send to the students of Jenks HS. Go ahead and cheat off the smart kid next to you. Go ahead and plagiarize that paper. If you get caught red handed, just say it was a mistake and get a slap on the wrist.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 06, 2009, 10:37:23 AM
Maybe Coach Trimble could use his new-found spare time to go to weight watchers. I worry about the guy.
I never could understand how sports coaches could be severely overweight, given the field that they work in.
Typical, using the worst pictures they can find... Alan has lost a good 50# in the last 18 months is/was working out regularly on a structured program.
This has been a tough week to be a Trojan but there is so much more to Jenks than football!
Overall there has been a lot of bashing in a lot of places about Jenks football and the district in general and while I don't have any kids in football, I do have in Swim (and have I have had in Track) and I can state without exception every single Trojan student athlete works hard all the time no matter if individual or team sport, an 18,000+ crowd or just a few there to cheer... one thing always comes through is the concept of "Spirit, it's a Trojan Thing." Unless you've been there you can't understand but it's been that way since I graduated 30+ years ago (in a time well before Jenks was the place to be) and in my Jenks educated opinion if Tulsa Schools had just a fraction of it they would not be where they are today... community spirit and education is why Jenks is home and my kids are "Lifers."
Conan, I worry about him for other reasons... he really cares about the kids in the program, every single one, and to come back from this will require extraordinary effort but I have no doubt "Trim' will dig deep and show the kids how it is really done, and for the kids I wouldn't want to face them in any sports for a few years because they are mad, mad at being slighted and mad at their intregrety being challenged.
Quote from: Vision 2025 on October 06, 2009, 12:44:58 PM
Alan has lost a good 50# in the last 18 months is/was working out regularly on a structured program.
I guess that mean he'll be under 300 pounds ... eventually.
I had Trimble for geometry (was actually in his class when the OKC bombing happened). He seemed to be a genuinely nice guy.
Fellow alum (middle school years) fellow parent of past Jenks student athletes (gymnasts- they worked out daily 50 weeks a year). You are right about the dedication to sports and pride in the school system and the committment of the parents. I've noticed there are a LOT of 2nd and 3rd generation Trojans these days.
Quote from: Vision 2025 on October 06, 2009, 12:44:58 PM
Overall there has been a lot of bashing in a lot of places about Jenks football and the district in general ...
Considering the violations go back at least 10 years, I'd say there's good reason for the bashing.
I'm basically hearing a lot of people in Jenks being apologists and not really acknowledging that the athletic department and football coaching staff either looked the other way or simply knowingly flouted the rules. They don't even have ignorance of the rules on their side.
Anyone who breaks the rules knowingly for a decade and is the leader of an athletic team that's held in such high esteem in the community ought to be fired ... period. If Jenks kids are mad that their integrity is being impugned, then the administration has an obligation to take drastic matters in an effort to restore that integrity.
If not, I'd think the bumper stickers that say "Jenks ... Enough said" will have a different connotation from now on.
Ya ya ya.. Jenks recruits.. Don't you think that people can find a way to actually move districts. Everybody acts like getting an apartment in another part of town is impossible for some parents. Getting to go to Jenks or Union for some of these kids will help them get a scholarship in College. Lets see... 3 or 4 years of an apartment at an extra $200 a month (maybe) for 4 years $9600. 4 years of school.... Yeah.. A LOT more.
http://www.nfl.com/players/seanmahan/profile?id=MAH168381 (http://www.nfl.com/players/seanmahan/profile?id=MAH168381)
Was in my class since at least 1st grade
Rocky Calmus went to Jenks west for quite some time.
Most of the people that were around the time I graduated went to Jenks for quite a while.
http://jenkstrojanfootball.com/alumni.html
Quote from: rwarn17588 on October 06, 2009, 01:04:35 PM
Considering the violations go back at least 10 years, I'd say there's good reason for the bashing.
I'm basically hearing a lot of people in Jenks being apologists and not really acknowledging that the athletic department and football coaching staff either looked the other way or simply knowingly flouted the rules. They don't even have ignorance of the rules on their side.
Anyone who breaks the rules knowingly for a decade and is the leader of an athletic team that's held in such high esteem in the community ought to be fired ... period. If Jenks kids are mad that their integrity is being impugned, then the administration has an obligation to take drastic matters in an effort to restore that integrity.
If not, I'd think the bumper stickers that say "Jenks ... Enough said" will have a different connotation from now on.
Staying, being punished by the District, and admonished in the community and ultimately comming back even stronger is a far better lesson to my kids than kicking them under the bus could ever be.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on October 06, 2009, 12:57:00 PM
I guess that mean he'll be under 300 pounds ... eventually.
Once a linemen always a linemen
Quote from: Vision 2025 on October 06, 2009, 01:36:47 PM
Staying, being punished by the District, and admonished in the community and ultimately comming back even stronger is a far better lesson to my kids than kicking them under the bus could ever be.
How is firing the coach and AD kicking the kids under the bus?
If Jenks wants to uphold the high standards it espouses, do you not think it is paramount to jettison the people in power who are obviously not doing so and haven't been for some time?
Or is the "high standards" talk just talk?
Or is winning football games more important than upholding standards?
So far, I'm not hearing a lot of remorse or contrition down U.S. 75.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on October 06, 2009, 01:45:04 PM
How is firing the coach and AD kicking the kids under the bus?
If Jenks wants to uphold the high standards it espouses, do you not think it is paramount to jettison the people in power who are obviously not doing so and haven't been for some time?
Or is the "high standards" talk just talk?
Or is winning football games more important than upholding standards?
So far, I'm not hearing a lot of remorse or contrition down U.S. 75.
Standards are a little different after 12 state championships, I'd guess. 10 of which have been in the last 16 years.
Being an alum and parent, I'm most definitely torn on this. Coach Trimble by all accounts has helped a lot of young men and he's got a huge legacy as a high school coach. I think in suspending himself, he's sending the right message, but I can understand your point as well. You are certainly in a better position to look at it from a more objective point of view than I am. Curious as to why swake hasn't chimed in yet, I think he's got kids at Jenks.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 06, 2009, 02:55:26 PM
Standards are a little different after 12 state championships, I'd guess. 10 of which have been in the last 16 years.
Being an alum and parent, I'm most definitely torn on this. Coach Trimble by all accounts has helped a lot of young men and he's got a huge legacy as a high school coach. I think in suspending himself, he's sending the right message, but I can understand your point as well. You are certainly in a better position to look at it from a more objective point of view than I am. Curious as to why swake hasn't chimed in yet, I think he's got kids at Jenks.
I do have kids at Jenks. My daughter goes to school with and is friends with Trimble's daughter (and Vision 2025's daughter too btw)
Because of that I have hesitated to say anything, but I will say this, I am upset. It isn't right and should not happen, but I don't think he should be fired.
I don't really know Trimble, but I have talked to him several times over the years and he has always been a very nice man. He and his wife have coached their daughter many times in softball against my daughter and in seeing how he is with the girls, he's a patient and outstanding coach. And girls softball coaches are so often jerks, to their own teams and especially to the opposing team.
My daughter is also a longtime cheerleader at Jenks, and I have spent a lot of time at Jenks football games and have seen him coach many times and he is an intense coach to be sure, but even in football he is (mostly) calm and not abusive to his players. Most high school football coaches seem to think they aren't doing a good job if they aren't screaming and cursing constantly and he isn't like that. From all I have seen and heard from people that know him a lot better than I do, he's a good man. I honestly before now have never heard anything bad about him.
Kirby Lehman on the other hand......
Quote from: rwarn17588 on October 06, 2009, 01:45:04 PM
How is firing the coach and AD kicking the kids under the bus?
If Jenks wants to uphold the high standards it espouses, do you not think it is paramount to jettison the people in power who are obviously not doing so and haven't been for some time?
Or is the "high standards" talk just talk?
Or is winning football games more important than upholding standards?
So far, I'm not hearing a lot of remorse or contrition down U.S. 75.
Read my response again please, I consider it a better lesson to the kids at the school to see a leader who has publically failed his community, be punished and then come back a stronger person for it much more than I would consider it a positive lesson to just throw those who failed under the big maroon buss and keep charging on.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 06, 2009, 02:55:26 PM
Standards are a little different after 12 state championships, I'd guess. 10 of which have been in the last 16 years.
Being an alum and parent, I'm most definitely torn on this. Coach Trimble by all accounts has helped a lot of young men and he's got a huge legacy as a high school coach. I think in suspending himself, he's sending the right message, but I can understand your point as well. You are certainly in a better position to look at it from a more objective point of view than I am. Curious as to why swake hasn't chimed in yet, I think he's got kids at Jenks.
Perhaps I *am* more objective. I'm not an Oklahoma native, and frankly, I see the idolization of football coaches (and football in general) as more than a little disturbing. It's a doggone cult of personality.
(And I'm saying this as a big fan of football. But even I know that football is little more than a highly enjoyable distraction.)
This reminds me in an offhanded way when "Friday Night Lights" was published some years ago. It wasn't because the book was inaccurate that upset people in West Texas. It was the fact the book *was* accurate that p*ssed off people. It exposed the townsfolk for its wrong-headed obsessions and peculiar excesses.
The Jenks report's pretty damning. You're talking conduct in a few cases that could get you hauled into criminal court for fraud. Most Oklahomans that I know would be insistent on throwing the book at such a person. But if it's a football coach doing this, they get all apologetic about him. Very strange.
How much is Coach Trimble getting paid as football coach? Or how do I go about finding out.
Quote from: joiei on October 07, 2009, 10:19:13 AM
How much is Coach Trimble getting paid as football coach? Or how do I go about finding out.
At one point about 10 years ago, I think it was revealed it was in the $70 to $80k range. I would suspect it's high five or very low six figure.
It seems to me that people are forgetting that this problem is a lot bigger than this single coach. (and that is pretty damn big)
Quote from: joiei on October 07, 2009, 10:19:13 AM
How much is Coach Trimble getting paid as football coach? Or how do I go about finding out.
He received a $16,243 stipend to be a football coach and is salaried at an additional $83,219 per year. His wife is paid as an "equipment manager" for the football team at $6,000 a year. Plus, of course, health insurance, pension, 3 months of vacation, and plenty of perks (his full contract has been requested by the World).
So all in all at least $105,500 plus benni's and perks. His "teachings" duties are listed as "administrator," on the Jenks PS website, so I have no idea if he actually teaches. He has a BA from N.E. State (in what, I do not know).
The average high school teacher in the Tulsa area makes ~$45,000.
Trimble was noble enough to give up the $16,000 but will keep his $83,000 salary for "administering" something or other.
http://jenkstrojanfootball.com/coaches.html
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=227&articleid=20091007_19_A1_Jenksf107835
Additionally, Jenks has 29 coaches for their high school football program. 16 for the varsity squad alone. The University of Oklahoma has 16 (including graduates assistants, includes varsity squad and practice squad as well as director of operations etc.). The University of Tulsa has 13 (same stipulations as OU).
I'd love to see the budget for Jenks (and other) football programs. Are those on file with anyone?
Tulsa World is requesting a copy of his contract? I don't like the way that sounds.
I have a funny feeling Coach Trimble might decide there's too much BS now and move along somewhere else either as a coordinator at the college level or taking over a big program somewhere else.
Cannon you are just pissed off because Jenks is the only one that can sell out your stadium.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 07, 2009, 11:16:54 AM
Tulsa World is requesting a copy of his contract? I don't like the way that sounds.
I have a funny feeling Coach Trimble might decide there's too much BS now and move along somewhere else either as a coordinator at the college level or taking over a big program somewhere else.
It's weird how the school district is withholding the contract. I mean, it's public record. There's no reason to withhold it.
It's this cult of personality again. At Jenks, the football coach is king, and can do no wrong. Very weird.
Requesting = witholding?
Quote from: Trogdor on October 07, 2009, 11:27:03 AM
Requesting = witholding?
It was requested Monday. It's now Wednesday. Do you really think it's that hard to dig out the contract, especially since it's public record?
Quote from: Trogdor on October 07, 2009, 11:19:08 AM
Cannon you are just pissed off because Jenks is the only one that can sell out your stadium.
Yep, you got me. Totally jealous of Jenks high school football. Wow, I feel horrible now that I got called out like that. And it's totally true and oh-so relevant to the discussion.
/if your sarcasm-o-meter isn't freaking out, it's broken.
Actually, this situation isn't a great concern of mine. I enjoy the area having a reputation of good football, but find the level of interest, commitment, and funding for high school football to be far too much. I don't live in Jenks, I don't cheer against them, I don't go to games and I don't know any of the parties involved.
All I posted was that the head coach of that the high school football team has as many or more coaches than major college programs and the head coaches receives ~$100,000 in compensation. I didn't give my opinion on that salary, but pointed out the average teacher makes half of his base salary. Take the data for whatever you want it to be.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on October 07, 2009, 11:47:07 AM
/if your sarcasm-o-meter isn't freaking out, it's broken.
Don't pretend like you weren't crying when you wrote that.
Quote from: Trogdor on October 07, 2009, 11:19:08 AM
Cannon you are just pissed off because Jenks is the only one that can sell out your stadium.
OUCH!!! but those were fun games. OH an that was sold out and on TV too.
Quote from: Trogdor on October 07, 2009, 11:27:03 AM
Requesting = witholding?
In accordance with the open records act they have a generous time period to provide it.
Now the head coach and assistant are on indefinite suspension. That doesn't sound good.
Oh and Trogdor, you forgot the movie.
Bah! We sold out for OU and East Carolina. We will sell out for Boise and perhaps Houston this year. Considering our entire state-wide alumni base wouldn't fill our stadium, I consider an occasional sellout a good thing!
And we have a movie too, it's called Tulsa. It focuses on the oil industry, but it is really a big metaphor for Tulsa Football. Yep. I'm sure of it.
/topic on!
Quote from: cannon_fodder on October 07, 2009, 10:51:55 AM
He received a $16,243 stipend to be a football coach and is salaried at an additional $83,219 per year. His wife is paid as an "equipment manager" for the football team at $6,000 a year. Plus, of course, health insurance, pension, 3 months of vacation, and plenty of perks (his full contract has been requested by the World). So all in all at least $105,500 plus benni's and perks. His "teachings" duties are listed as "administrator," on the Jenks PS website, so I have no idea if he actually teaches. He has a BA from N.E. State (in what, I do not know).
The average high school teacher in the Tulsa area makes ~$45,000.
Trimble was noble enough to give up the $16,000 but will keep his $83,000 salary for "administering" something or other.
http://jenkstrojanfootball.com/coaches.html
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=227&articleid=20091007_19_A1_Jenksf107835
Additionally, Jenks has 29 coaches for their high school football program. 16 for the varsity squad alone. The University of Oklahoma has 16 (including graduates assistants, includes varsity squad and practice squad as well as director of operations etc.). The University of Tulsa has 13 (same stipulations as OU).
I'd love to see the budget for Jenks (and other) football programs. Are those on file with anyone?
A few years back when Union recruited an out-of-state coach, he lost a couple games and they ran him out of town. An article on the matter said his salary was 90K.
Have you guys seen Union's stadium??? Talk about $$$$$$$$$$ for the football programs.
I for one think that it is SO OBVIOUS that this has been going on for a long time, that it is outright wrong to punish one school without punishing the other.
Either let them both recruit, or shut it all down. Jenks has done nothing Union hasn't done.
This coming from someone who hates both programs, and thinks that all these kids are being used at too early of an age.
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The game should become an adult game in college, not high school, IMO.
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Wouldn't it be nice if we could find out what really happened?
Did a teacher in Jenks finally decide not to give a passing grade to a failing football star? Did that teacher butt heads with the coach?
Did the coach upset one of the wealthy boosters? What is REALLY going on?
Why would one incident out of a crackpot of illegal activities going back over a decade covering two rival districts suddenly come to light and all come down on one coach?
Well it started because of an angry parent. As far as getting canned, I don't know.
A coach who makes a base salary of over $80,000 for a job known as "administrator?" And then gets $16,000+ additional for coaching with a larger staff than Division I college prgrams?
To me, this demonstrates skewed priorities. The whole "Friday Night Lights" thing makes sense in tiny towns with nothing else to be proud of. But hey, Jenks has the Aquarium! They should have more self esteem.
The weirdest thing I've seen is the same in Owasso and Jenks and Union...where the 3rd Grade football teams have 10 coaches, practice 3 times a week for 2 1/2 - 3 hours at a time, watch "game film" at practices, and have a professional PA announcer calling every game. Some coaches sit in the press boxes of the stadiums to "call down" plays for the 8-year-olds. Oh, and the vast armies of tiny cheerleaders wearing enough makeup to compete in drag shows....
No wonder everyone's insane by the time the kids reach high school. So many parents have sacrificed their entire lives to revolve around their kids' sports, that they can't think straight.
Weird.
He also has a vehicle stipend, phone allotment and some other goodies. The total package is around $105,000 for him and another $6,000 for his wife.
Quote from: PonderInc on October 09, 2009, 04:26:33 PM
A coach who makes a base salary of over $80,000 for a job known as "administrator?" And then gets $16,000+ additional for coaching with a larger staff than Division I college prgrams?
To me, this demonstrates skewed priorities. The whole "Friday Night Lights" thing makes sense in tiny towns with nothing else to be proud of. But hey, Jenks has the Aquarium! They should have more self esteem.
The weirdest thing I've seen is the same in Owasso and Jenks and Union...where the 3rd Grade football teams have 10 coaches, practice 3 times a week for 2 1/2 - 3 hours at a time, watch "game film" at practices, and have a professional PA announcer calling every game. Some coaches sit in the press boxes of the stadiums to "call down" plays for the 8-year-olds. Oh, and the vast armies of tiny cheerleaders wearing enough makeup to compete in drag shows....
No wonder everyone's insane by the time the kids reach high school. So many parents have sacrificed their entire lives to revolve around their kids' sports, that they can't think straight.
Weird.
Its called living vicariously through your kids. You don't have to be in a small town to fall into it.
Jenks and Union did this stuff together. They should burn together.
I went to Union back in the 70s.
The stadium was completed my senior year. Back then the district taxes from the Ford glass plant and the up and coming Woodland hills mall was what I was to understand mainly paid for all the new renovations. Enid does or did have the same design stadium and the cost of Union stadium at that time was a reported 1.7 million.
Look at what it cost Broken Arrow to build their stadium and the quality of todays construction.
I know of two players that were recruited and started for Union way back then, and Union was terrible.
One of the families moved from Texas just so their son could play at Union.
So its kind of obvious what is feeding the cash cow now.
Im still proud to be a Redskin and enjoyed my School years there.
Quote from: PonderInc on October 09, 2009, 04:26:33 PM
A coach who makes a base salary of over $80,000 for a job known as "administrator?" And then gets $16,000+ additional for coaching with a larger staff than Division I college prgrams?
To me, this demonstrates skewed priorities. The whole "Friday Night Lights" thing makes sense in tiny towns with nothing else to be proud of. But hey, Jenks has the Aquarium! They should have more self esteem.
The weirdest thing I've seen is the same in Owasso and Jenks and Union...where the 3rd Grade football teams have 10 coaches, practice 3 times a week for 2 1/2 - 3 hours at a time, watch "game film" at practices, and have a professional PA announcer calling every game. Some coaches sit in the press boxes of the stadiums to "call down" plays for the 8-year-olds. Oh, and the vast armies of tiny cheerleaders wearing enough makeup to compete in drag shows....
No wonder everyone's insane by the time the kids reach high school. So many parents have sacrificed their entire lives to revolve around their kids' sports, that they can't think straight.
Weird.
I think you have to look at what the football program brings IN for Jenks, as far a money goes. Similar to Bob Stoops making more than $3M at OU, he brings in far more than his salary.
Quote from: Wilbur on October 16, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
I think you have to look at what the football program brings IN for Jenks, as far a money goes. Similar to Bob Stoops making more than $3M at OU, he brings in far more than his salary.
Almost seems a bit absurd to say, but the success of suburban sports programs probably has not hurt the construction trades (and ergo the property tax base) in the Jenks, Union, BA, Bixby, and Owasso districts.