These guys don't appeal to this demons side...but Beck, Rush, O'Reilly are mean people. Becks fake crying all the way to the bank. Hannity represents foreign ownership.
This divisional tactic is not good for our country....And no leader from the right cares to simmer it down.
In the meantime, we continue to wear our underwear on the inside out so the rest the world can see....
AND READ THIS! TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2009
Drudge, Limbaugh and the sad return of "Racial America" http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Drudge_Limbaugh_and_the_sad_return_of_Racial_America.html
Why weren't you posting daily threads on how people were having a special kind of hate for Bush? I mean, other than your daily threads on hating bush and your epic "stupid" thread on Bush. Strange how when YOU disagree with a president you can do as you see fit and it isn't racist or hateful, but when someone disagrees with a person you voted for (and I voted for too) it's just mean spirited hatefulness.
Yes, the right wing talking heads are full of spite. Usually they are. But you didn't feel the need to speak up when the left was doing the same crap a couple years back.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on September 18, 2009, 08:32:17 AM
Yes, the right wing talking heads are full of spite. Usually they are. But you didn't feel the need to speak up when the left was doing the same crap a couple years back.
First off, until MSNBC put Olbermann on the air, there was no mass media equivalent to the right wing noise machine. And even he isn't on the same level as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly. I suppose you could point to Bill Moyers, but he isn't a flat out liar, so I don't think there's a fair comparison there.
MoveOn.org, Huffington, Cindy Sheehan, Air America, Michael Moore, Soros, most of Hollywood, etc.. There were plenty of people and plenty of main stream news organizations giving them a venue to espouse hatred for GW Bush. FOTD himself espoused outright hatred daily. "Its Bushes fault" was a cliche. Every gaff he made was national news. He was called a child murder and compare unfavorably to Goebbels. Everything Bush did was greed for oil or to feed the military industrial complex. All opposition to Obama is because he's black. It's lame.
Don't take this as support for the current mongering against Obama. I think it is largely politically motivated and absent Obama switching parties he'd get more of the same from the talk radio yappers (Rush and Hannity for sure). Much of Fox news is highly slanted, particularly their non-news coverage (that being talk shows, commentary, etc.). You'll note I haven't joined in the chorus condemning Obama for his actions to date. I'm just annoyed that the reaction to those that are condemning his every move is to break out the race card or act like this is unprecedented behavior.
I'm just pointing out that its all just politics. Each side reacts the same way to the best of their abilities. FOTD whined about everything Bush did, or didn't do for 8 years. Some conservative will do the same thing for Obama. And then they complain about the conduct of the other as if they aren't opposite sides of the same coin.
I find it tiresome going both ways.
You can't expect 8 years of partisan biznitching about President Bush to not wind up in partisan biznitching about President Obama. Bush's supporters are getting their day in the sun now as antagonists to the current administration. At some point, it'd be okay for one side or the other to declare a truce. I'd love it, but I'm not thinking that's going to happen in my lifetime.
FOTD, you are waiting on GOP leaders to smack down protestors at town halls and "tea-baggers". I'm waiting for President Obama to show some real leadership and ask people to tone down the racial rhetoric. What makes your wishes more relevant than mine?
Parading a moron like Jiminy Carter out there to play the race card is setting back racial relations by 20 to 30 years. It's pretty sickening.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 18, 2009, 10:28:30 AM
You can't expect 8 years of partisan biznitching about President Bush to not wind up in partisan biznitching about President Obama. Bush's supporters are getting their day in the sun now as antagonists to the current administration. At some point, it'd be okay for one side or the other to declare a truce. I'd love it, but I'm not thinking that's going to happen in my lifetime.
FOTD, you are waiting on GOP leaders to smack down protestors at town halls and "tea-baggers". I'm waiting for President Obama to show some real leadership and ask people to tone down the racial rhetoric. What makes your wishes more relevant than mine?
Parading a moron like Jiminy Carter out there to play the race card is setting back racial relations by 20 to 30 years. It's pretty sickening.
"I mean, that's the lesson we're being taught here today. Kid shouldn't have been on the bus anyway. We need segregated buses — it was invading space and stuff. This is Obama's America." - Rush Limbaugh
You are right, Jimmy Cart is setting back race relations by 20 to 30 years.
Quote from: Trogdor on September 18, 2009, 10:37:42 AM
"I mean, that's the lesson we're being taught here today. Kid shouldn't have been on the bus anyway. We need segregated buses — it was invading space and stuff. This is Obama's America." - Rush Limbaugh
You are right, Jimmy Cart is setting back race relations by 20 to 30 years.
Just because some dip sh!t like Rush Limpbaugh makes comments like that it justifies a former POTUS fanning the flames of racism. President Carter has done nothing but ratchet up the conservative talking heads and their resentment at being labled racists for not falling into lock-step with liberal policies.
Again, I ask at what point does President Obama show real leadership and ask everyone to knock off the racial BS???
Quote from: Conan71 on September 18, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
Again, I ask at what point does President Obama show real leadership and ask everyone to knock off the racial BS???
I seem to recall he made a big speech about just that subject sometime last year. ;)
I believe he made a similar comment recently where he said he didn't feel Joe Wilson's outburst was in any way racially motivated. I give Obama props for avoiding anything having to do with the "race" card and addressing the one main issue that seemed to have something to do with it (beer summit). Obama presents himself as the President of the United States - not the BLACK President of the United States.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on September 18, 2009, 09:57:02 AM
MoveOn.org, Huffington, Cindy Sheehan, Air America, Michael Moore, Soros, most of Hollywood, etc.. There were plenty of people and plenty of main stream news organizations giving them a venue to espouse hatred for GW Bush. FOTD himself espoused outright hatred daily. "Its Bushes fault" was a cliche. Every gaff he made was national news. He was called a child murder and compare unfavorably to Goebbels. Everything Bush did was greed for oil or to feed the military industrial complex. All opposition to Obama is because he's black. It's lame.
Don't take this as support for the current mongering against Obama. I think it is largely politically motivated and absent Obama switching parties he'd get more of the same from the talk radio yappers (Rush and Hannity for sure). Much of Fox news is highly slanted, particularly their non-news coverage (that being talk shows, commentary, etc.). You'll note I haven't joined in the chorus condemning Obama for his actions to date. I'm just annoyed that the reaction to those that are condemning his every move is to break out the race card or act like this is unprecedented behavior.
I'm just pointing out that its all just politics. Each side reacts the same way to the best of their abilities. FOTD whined about everything Bush did, or didn't do for 8 years. Some conservative will do the same thing for Obama. And then they complain about the conduct of the other as if they aren't opposite sides of the same coin.
I find it tiresome going both ways.
Spouting off against a man's integrity and a political party's hypocrisy differs from spewing racism over the radio. You're goofy.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 18, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
Just because some dip sh!t like Rush Limpbaugh makes comments like that it justifies a former POTUS fanning the flames of racism. President Carter has done nothing but ratchet up the conservative talking heads and their resentment at being labled racists for not falling into lock-step with liberal policies.
Again, I ask at what point does President Obama show real leadership and ask everyone to knock off the racial BS???
The role of stopping this belongs to all civilized and decent Americans who refuse to go along with the hate mantra. The leadership of foreign owned media conglomerates and the GOP leaders fuel the fire by remaining silent over these overt racist remarks.
THAT DIRTY PIG LIMBAUGH IS ANTI-AMERICAN AS YOU CAN GET.Olbermann: 37 racist incidents prove Carter is righthttp://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/17/olbermann-cites-37-racist-attacks-on-obama/
"Others (incidents), however, appear more strained. For example, Olbermann pointed to the use of "isolated cases of abuse to portray ACORN as a collection of criminally minded African-Americans, with the president as ACORN's poster child." However, Republican attacks on ACORN go back at least to the 2004 election and have always been tied more to calculations of electoral advantage than to clear-cut racism."
"It is sickening, but it is just a sampling," Olbermann commented after noting several recent incidents. "And it shares the same obvious under-current. "
read up!KO by KO! On Limbaugh; "The nation's a$$hole would know about the nation's hemorrhoid"
Quote from: FOTD on September 18, 2009, 11:35:15 AM
The role of stopping this belongs to all civilized and decent Americans who refuse to go along with the hate mantra. The leadership of foreign owned media conglomerates and the GOP leaders fuel the fire by remaining silent over these overt racist remarks. THAT DIRTY PIG LIMBAUGH IS ANTI-AMERICAN AS YOU CAN GET.
Olbermann: 37 racist incidents prove Carter is right
Olberdoosh needs to get in line then to drop the hate mantras. I hold him every bit as accountable for fanning the flames.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090917/pl_politico/27282
Beck vs. Limbaugh
Michael Calderone Michael Calderone – Thu Sep 17, 6:13 pm ET
GOP media strategist Mark McKinnon thinks there are two people in the world who fear Glenn Beck — even if "neither will admit it."
The first is Barack Obama. The second is Rush Limbaugh.
Beck is on a huge roll. Over the last month, the right-wing Fox News talker has claimed the scalp of the president's green jobs czar; motivated thousands of conservatives to turn out for town hall meetings and a Sept. 12 march on Washington; pummeled Democrats over ACORN and Obama's czars; and landed himself a spot on the cover of Time magazine. "Beck is the man of the moment," says the Weekly Standard's Michael Goldfarb. "Everybody in town is watching him, waiting to see what he'll do next, who he'll take down next."
But if Beck is the man of the moment, where does that leave Rush? In an e-mail to POLITICO, Limbaugh said any attempt to compare him with Beck in terms of Washington influence rests on a "flawed premise." "I do not, and never have, measured my success in ways you describe, such as 'impact' in Washington," Limbaugh said. "I am a broadcaster and judge my success by those standards."
By those standards, the slimmed-down Limbaugh is still large and in charge. He reaches a much bigger radio audience, with somewhere between 15 and 30 million listeners on more than 600 stations around the country. He's ranked No. 1 on the "Heavy Hundred" list put out by the industry magazine Talkers (Beck is fifth); he tops Mediaite's power grid of radio hosts; and this week, The Atlantic installed Limbaugh and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman atop its list of "the most influential commentators in the nation."
Back in April - when Time put Limbaugh on its annual list of the 100 most influential people of the world - Beck was called on to write the tribute. He wrote that Limbaugh was "on another level" and "attracts more listeners with his voice than the rest of us could ever imagine." That may still be the case, but Beck's power has grown exponentially since then.
Newsmax president Christopher Ruddy, a conservative journalist who played a role in dredging up scandals during the Clinton years, said that right now, Beck is "the No. 1 populist, conservative voice in the media." "Glenn's emergence reminds me of Rush's emergence in the early '90s," said conservative radio host Mike Gallagher. "People have asked me, 'Who's the next Rush,' because Rush is the gold standard."
The answer, says Gallagher, "seems to be Glenn." While Limbaugh once had a television show — produced by Roger Ailes, now Fox News president — he never enjoyed half the success in that medium that Beck has now. Beck's nightly show on Fox News completely dominates the competition, drawing more than a million viewers more than any other prime-time show on MSNBC or CNN.
And Beck is using the power of his show in ways that Limbaugh never has.
"Beck is playing more of a rallying role than Limbaugh has or is," said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform. "Rush is more broad-brush, longer-range in approach, and Beck's gotten specific," Norquist added. "Here's an appointee. Here's the czars." In the days before last weekend's conservative march on Washington, Beck flogged it repeatedly. He became such a part of the story that, as CNN correspondent Lisa Desjardins tried to report live from the event, protesters drowned her out with chants of "Glenn Beck! Glenn Beck!" Limbaugh's role in promoting the protest? He said it's not his thing.
"I don't rally people and haven't since the first year of my radio show," he wrote to POLITICO. "At that time, all local talk hosts were attempting to prove their worth by getting people to cut up gasoline credit cards, call Washington, etc. I thought it was cheap and disingenuous. The few times I did, early on, suggest people call Washington, the reaction to it from the media was that the response was not genuine (I shut down the House switchboard) because people only did what they did because 'Limbaugh told them to.'"
Limbaugh hasn't abandoned the call to action entirely; last year, he launched "Operation Chaos," urging his listeners to register as Democrats and vote for Hillary Clinton in Democratic presidential primaries to prolong the nominating process and weaken Obama. But now he suggests that conservatives don't need any egging on – and he seemed to downplay Beck's role in goosing the turnout for last weekend's march.
"The rally Saturday was special and important precisely because there was not a single, charismatic leader behind it," he said. "I never mentioned it, on purpose. People are rising up from genuine passion and concern, they are NOT being whipped into a frenzy. This is REAL and not inspired by anyone. This outpouring has been effervescing for years and Obama has brought it all to the boiling point. PEOPLE DO NOT NEED TO BE TOLD. They are living it."
If Limbaugh is suggesting that Beck's influence is overstated, he's not the only one. Radio host Mark Levin, whose book "Liberty & Tyranny" just surpassed 1 million sales this week, laughed off the suggestion that Beck may be eclipsing Limbaugh as the voice of the right.
"Are you kidding?" Levin said in an e-mail. "Comparing Rush Limbaugh to Glenn Beck is like comparing George Washington to George Jefferson. Beck can be very entertaining and even informative, but he is neither the face nor the voice of the conservative movement. He is one of many."
And while Ruddy says that Beck is the No. 1 conservative populist now, he's quick to say that doesn't mean Limbaugh is No. 2. "The rise of Beck doesn't diminish Rush or [Sean] Hannity," Ruddy said, "but he seems to be adding a new subset, a new group of people ... more of the populist, Ross Perot-type voter."
The opposition has clearly taken note. Six months ago, Democratic Party leaders made a concerted effort to portray Limbaugh as the de facto leader of the Republican Party. This week, the Democratic National Committee accused Republicans of "carrying out the marching orders of Glenn Beck and other right wing propagandists," and both People for the American Way and the Center for American Progress Action Fund sent out fundraising appeals invoking Beck's name.
I've read a few trade mags in recent months, and they concur that talk radio has become crazier simply because ad revenues have cratered during the recession and that programmers, in response, are telling their hosts to become more outrageous in an effort to attract listeners.
Sometimes it's not hate or insanity that drives talk-radio hosts, but money -- or the lack thereof.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on September 18, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
I've read a few trade mags in recent months, and they concur that talk radio has become crazier simply because ad revenues have cratered during the recession and that programmers, in response, are telling their hosts to become more outrageous in an effort to attract listeners.
Sometimes it's not hate or insanity that drives talk-radio hosts, but money -- or the lack thereof.
LOL, too bad they won't just quit working like everybody keeps saying they will because their taxes will go up. Also, Why they want to make more money they will just pay more taxes.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 18, 2009, 11:51:47 AM
Olberdoosh needs to get in line then to drop the hate mantras. I hold him every bit as accountable for fanning the flames.
He did not start the fire.....DUH
these contards did! So did the GOPers by not saying,"this is not what America should look like in the eyes of the world."
Yes, arguing with....
Quote from: FOTD on September 18, 2009, 02:38:51 PM
He did not start the fire.....DUH
these contards did! So did the GOPers by not saying,"this is not what America should look like in the eyes of the world."
Yes, arguing with....
When the house burns, who is more at fault, the one who lit the match, or the one who kept throwing gasoline on the fire?
The one who lit the fire, DUH.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 18, 2009, 11:51:47 AM
Olberdoosh needs to get in line then to drop the hate mantras. I hold him every bit as accountable for fanning the flames.
Yes, it's not the ten conservative commentators who encourage both racism and call for violence on a regular basis, but the one (or I guess two now that Maddow has a show before Olbermann instead of Tweetie) liberal commentators who call out the conservative commentators for their resorts to racism and violent speech in their pursuit of ratings. You've got it nailed.
Aside from those folks, it's all corporatists claiming to be either Democrats or Republicans but who in reality should be in their own party.
Basically when it's your side protesting the President's policies that's patriotic and when it's the other side it's subversive, racist or whatever the response of the day.
Quote from: HazMatCFO on September 18, 2009, 11:46:57 PM
Basically when it's your side protesting the President's policies that's patriotic and when it's the other side it's subversive, racist or whatever the response of the day.
If you can't understand the difference in both kind and quantity between the conservative commentators like Beck, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh and the quasi-liberal commentators like Olbermann, you've a) been listening to too much KRMG and b) mistake "liberal" for being something that actually exists in popular discourse in this country.
Maybe I've missed something, but I've never heard Olbermann (I don't watch his show very often) call for people who disagree with him to be tortured, claim they should be deported, or claim that they are "unamerican."
Quote from: nathanm on September 19, 2009, 02:00:18 AM
If you can't understand the difference in both kind and quantity between the conservative commentators like Beck, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh and the quasi-liberal commentators like Olbermann, you've a) been listening to too much KRMG and b) mistake "liberal" for being something that actually exists in popular discourse in this country.
Maybe I've missed something, but I've never heard Olbermann (I don't watch his show very often) call for people who disagree with him to be tortured, claim they should be deported, or claim that they are "unamerican."
Then you need to watch/listen to the likes of Thom Hartman, Mark Thompson, Ed Shultz, Bill Price, Stephanie Miller, ......
Quote from: Wilbur on September 19, 2009, 06:39:11 AM
Then you need to watch/listen to the likes of Thom Hartman, Mark Thompson, Ed Shultz, Bill Price, Stephanie Miller, ......
You mean people who are considered by everybody to be on the fringe, ala Ann Coulter or Alex Jones?
The Last Time Right-Wing Hatred Ran Wild Like This a President Was killed
"It's a demented national jihad, the likes of which this country has not seen in modern times."
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/142726/the_last_time_right-wing_hatred_ran_wild_like_this_a_president_was_killed_/
"To me, the similarity between Dallas in 1963 and today's unhinged Obama hate is downright chilling."
What Angry White America does not recognize is that if this were to happen to POTUS OBAMA a nation would mourn and then it would burn....for decades.
Stop posting this wild crap, FOTD.
Your posting makes it worse.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 19, 2009, 09:01:45 AM
Stop posting this wild crap, FOTD.
Your posting makes it worse.
FOTD did not write the article, RM. It's all over the country....brought on by hateful, mean people not being called out by their leadership and corporate foreign moguls. Don't make me, the messenger, to be the devil just because he's my friend.
The Last Gasp of the Angry White ManRead more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-last-gasp-of-the-angr_b_255273.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-last-gasp-of-the-angr_b_255273.html
Yes...there are angry, crazy people writing on blogs all over the world.
Why do you feel compelled to post these?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 19, 2009, 10:06:28 AM
Yes...there are angry, crazy people writing on blogs all over the world.
Why do you feel compelled to post these?
I beleive it is because he is trying to promote his racist attitude as much as possible.
Quote from: custosnox on September 19, 2009, 10:42:35 AM
I beleive it is because he is trying to promote his racist attitude as much as possible.
Prove that! good luck cs....
Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 19, 2009, 10:06:28 AM
Yes...there are angry, crazy people writing on blogs all over the world.
Why do you feel compelled to post these?
Because RM, until the leadership of the opposition demands a halt to it, using the in your face on the race card becomes fair game for going after those playing it. Get it? To sit and be quiet, to do nothing, would be criminal. Fight fire with fire as we say in hades. The bloggers speak truth while the mean spirited Limbaugh ditto heads and Faux network kool aiders and GOP sheeples continue their crusade to undo the November landslide. Losers who never learned to lose are using Dumbya's questionable victories and his manipulations as fodder for fire. But it seems to me to be a whitewash of what really is taking place.
Quote from: FOTD on September 19, 2009, 11:15:02 AM
Prove that! good luck cs....
Prove what? That I believe you are just as racist as those that screem their intolerance?
Quote from: custosnox on September 19, 2009, 12:53:06 PM
Prove what? That I believe you are just as racist as those that screem their intolerance?
Prove from my posts anything racist....you can't....because there's not a racist bone in my body....
That strategy don't work on me....
President Obama is missing a fantastic leadership opportunity. Sitting a white cop and black college professor down for a beer hasn't solved anything, obviously. How can so many of you be oblivious to the need for our elected leader to tell those who fan the flames of racism by perpetrating claims that opposition to the administration's policies is racism?
Whatever response to this you claim he has made has been tepid at best. You want leaders from the right to step in and solve the problem and you are not willing to hold our elected commander and chief to the same standard. The buck stops with the Prez, remember?
Quote from: FOTD on September 19, 2009, 01:17:31 PM
Prove from my posts anything racist....you can't....because there's not a racist bone in my body....
That strategy don't work on me....
Hateful WHITE people. When you put a color with that sort of rhetoric, it becomes quite racist. You've got a severe prejudice against white Chrisitians.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 19, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
Hateful WHITE people. When you put a color with that sort of rhetoric, it becomes quite racist. You've got a severe prejudice against white Chrisitians.
You lie! Only Christians who meddle in government. There's no prejudiced opinion of people who are spiritual. That's ridiculous.
POTUS OBAMA has attempted to still the waters and will continue to....
But he too is powerless against the hate mentality... white america is power and therefore it is not racist to use this description, there are no white victims based on race.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 19, 2009, 03:41:14 PM
tell those who fan the flames of racism by perpetrating claims that opposition to the administration's policies is racism?
Nobody is saying that everybody who opposes the President's policies are racist or that all opposition is racism. Nice straw man, though.
Roy Blunt, GOP big boy, delivers racism:Roy Blunt (R-MO) Suggests Obama & Democrats Are Like Monkeys on a Golf Course
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/19/11460/8467/
"Tony Perkins introduces Blunt. Perkins paid $82,500 to buy a phone banking list from former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke.Then, in 2002, Perkins spoke at a fundraiser for the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a national white supremacist group. The CofCC "Statement of Principals" states that "We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called 'affirmative action' and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races."
UGLY!
Quote from: FOTD on September 19, 2009, 04:37:08 PM
But he too is powerless against the hate mentality... white america is power and therefore it is not racist to use this description, there are no white victims based on race.
And there you are soooo wrong. I am white, and yes, I have been a "victim" of racism on several occasions. However, when you make judgment based on an ethnic background, no matter what color they are, it is racism. When you bring race into an issue when there is no grounds for such, other then the fact that both sides of the issue are of differant backgrounds, then that too is racism. You remind me of so many of the people that when they are getting arrested they start screaming "It's because I'm black". No, it's because you broke the law. I get so sick of hearing this "I've been held back by the white man". When it comes right down to it, whites are starting to become those that are held back by their race. After all, wouldn't it be considered racism if an organization was created to help young, white americans get into college? When you wield race as the a weapon in almost every confrontation that you enter, then you sir are a practicing racist.
Quote from: custosnox on September 19, 2009, 06:52:02 PM
And there you are soooo wrong. I am white, and yes, I have been a "victim" of racism on several occasions. However, when you make judgment based on an ethnic background, no matter what color they are, it is racism. When you bring race into an issue when there is no grounds for such, other then the fact that both sides of the issue are of differant backgrounds, then that too is racism. You remind me of so many of the people that when they are getting arrested they start screaming "It's because I'm black". No, it's because you broke the law. I get so sick of hearing this "I've been held back by the white man". When it comes right down to it, whites are starting to become those that are held back by their race. After all, wouldn't it be considered racism if an organization was created to help young, white americans get into college? When you wield race as the a weapon in almost every confrontation that you enter, then you sir are a practicing racist.
yes, I have been a "victim" of racism on several occasions Please describe these events...
"I've been held back by the white man" .....historical fact.
"After all, wouldn't it be considered racism if an organization was created to help young, white americans get into college? " Besides being absurd, how is this racism?
"When you wield race as the a weapon in almost every confrontation that you enter, then you sir are a practicing racist." That's a belligerent and incorrect assertion.
The right thrives on whining about how mistreated they are. Then they grumble if anyone points out that some groups and individuals are mistreated because that's "favoritism." They need to grow the balls they're always accusing others of not having.
OP-ED COLUMNIST
The Scourge Persists
By BOB HERBERT
Published: September 18, 2009
Did we really need Jimmy Carter to tell us that racism is one of the driving forces behind the relentless and often scurrilous attacks on President Obama? We didn't know that? As John McEnroe might say, "You can't be serious."
"There is an inherent feeling many in this country that an African-American should not be president," said Mr. Carter. I guess he was aiming his remarks at those who contended when Mr. Obama was elected that we had achieved some Pollyannaish postracial society. But it's hard to imagine, after all the madness and vitriol of the past few months, that anyone still believes that.
For many white Americans, Barack Obama is nothing more than that black guy in the White House, and they want him out of there. (Mr. Carter knows a little something about kowtowing to that crowd. During his presidential campaign in 1976, he blithely let it be known that he had no problem with residents "trying to maintain the ethnic purity of their neighborhoods," and he tossed around ugly terms like "black intrusion" and "alien groups." He later apologized.)
More than three decades later we have Sherri Goforth, an aide to a Republican state senator in Tennessee sending out a mass e-mail of a cartoon showing dignified portraits of the first 43 presidents, and then representing the 44th — President Obama — as a spook, a cartoonish pair of white eyes against a black background.
When a gorilla escaped from a zoo in Columbia, S.C., a longtime Republican activist, Rusty DePass, described it on his Facebook page as one of Michelle Obama's ancestors.
Among the posters at last weekend's gathering of conservative protesters in Washington was one that said, "The zoo has an African lion and the White House has a lyin' African."
These are bits and pieces of an increasingly unrestrained manifestation of racism directed toward Mr. Obama that is being fed by hate-mongers on talk radio and is widely tolerated, if not encouraged, by Republican Party leaders. It's disgusting, and it's dangerous. But it's the same old filthy racism that has been there all along and that has been exploited by the G.O.P. since the 1960s.
I have no patience with those who want to pretend that racism is not an out-and-out big deal in the United States, as it always has been. We may have made progress, and we may have a black president, but the scourge is still with us. And if you needed Jimmy Carter to remind you of that, then you've been wandering around with your eyes closed.
Glenn Beck, one of the moronic maestros of right-wing radio and TV, assures us that President Obama "has a deep-seated hatred for white people." Some years ago, as the watchdog group Media Matters for America points out on its Web site, Beck said he'd like to beat Representative Charles Rangel "to death with a shovel."
There is nothing new about this racist rhetoric. Back in the 1970s Rush Limbaugh told a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."
But the fact that a black man is now in the White House has so unsettled much of white America that the lid is coming off the racism that had been simmering at dangerously high temperatures all along. Eric Boehlert, a senior fellow with Media Matters, said, "If someone had told me in February that there would be mainstream allegations that Obama was a racist and a fascist and a communist and a Nazi, I wouldn't have believed it."
Republicans have been openly feeding off of race hatred since the days of Dick Nixon. Today's conservative activists are carrying that banner proudly. What does anybody think is going on when, as Anderson Cooper pointed out on CNN, one of the leaders of the so-called tea party movement, Mark Williams, refers to the president of the United States as an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug, and a racist in chief.
After all these years of race-baiting and stirring the pot of hatred for political gain, it's too much to ask the leaders of the Republican Party to step forward and denounce this spreading stain of reprehensible conduct. Republicans are trying to ride that dependable steed of bigotry back to power.
But it's time for other Americans, of whatever persuasion, to take a stand, to say we're better than this. They should do it because it's right. But also because we've seen so many times what can happen when this garbage gets out of control.
Think about the Oklahoma City bombing, and the assassinations of King and the Kennedys. On Nov. 22, 1963, as they were preparing to fly to Dallas, a hotbed of political insanity, President Kennedy said to Mrs. Kennedy: "We're heading into nut country today."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/19/opinion/19herbert.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
Hmmm....looks familiar! Get it?
Quote from: FOTD on September 19, 2009, 07:06:42 PM
yes, I have been a "victim" of racism on several occasions Please describe these events...
hmmm... Let's see here, most recently I worked at an Indian Casino. If you think I got treated as an equal there, then you need to get your head examined. Outside of that, the most significant was when I was head of a department and I had a black man that worked under me. Helped the guy out, gave him rides, things like that to help him out when he needed it. At one point I had sung a line to a song that has historical significance to the black community (I did not know the history of the song at the time, just knew the line and always liked it), and he immediatly labeled me as being racist because of this. He took it to HR. In the end, I was fired when he started threatening to sue.
"I've been held back by the white man" .....historical fact.
Historical fact, every ethinic group in the history of mankind has been oppressed by another at some point in time. However, this is called history for a reason. Because blacks were held down before, a black mans failures today doesn't translate automatically to the same thing today.
"After all, wouldn't it be considered racism if an organization was created to help young, white americans get into college? " Besides being absurd, how is this racism?
When you exclude another based on nothing other then their race, this is racism.
"When you wield race as the a weapon in almost every confrontation that you enter, then you sir are a practicing racist." That's a belligerent and incorrect assertion.
Do you not even pay attention to your own posts?
The right thrives on whining about how mistreated they are. Then they grumble if anyone points out that some groups and individuals are mistreated because that's "favoritism." They need to grow the balls they're always accusing others of not having.
Funny, I've heard the same thing about the left many times before.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 19, 2009, 03:41:14 PM
President Obama is missing a fantastic leadership opportunity. Sitting a white cop and black college professor down for a beer hasn't solved anything, obviously. How can so many of you be oblivious to the need for our elected leader to tell those who fan the flames of racism by perpetrating claims that opposition to the administration's policies is racism?
Whatever response to this you claim he has made has been tepid at best. You want leaders from the right to step in and solve the problem and you are not willing to hold our elected commander and chief to the same standard. The buck stops with the Prez, remember?
Oh, for crying out loud... that's a self-aggrandizing lie.
Jimmy Carter's fanning the flames of racism?... give me a break.
You're wanting Obama to call out Jimmy Carter as a reverse racist?
What a buncha utter bullcrap.
Thanks for playing the white victim card again.
Sorry, but if this doesn't satisfy you.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-read-th_n_92077.html
......then NOTHING WILL. I am convinced that nothing Obama says about race will ever satisfy the southern conservative equivocators who don't seem to know their own history.
William F. Buckley must be rolling over in his grave to see how the current crop of Republicans kow-tow to anti-intellectual "conservatives" who aren't really conservatives at all. Where is the next William F. Buckley who will put these flat-earth lunatics in their place?
Jimmy Carter has the right to express his opinions.
I don't have to agree with them.
But I can certainly understand where they come from.
I want Carter to be wrong. I hope Carter is wrong.
But Barack Obama would be casting his pearls before swine if he weighed-in again with a major speech on the subject of race.... I've seen it before, and I'd rather he just do his job and let the crazies be the crazies.... and let Fox and Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh continue to propagandize racial issues to suit their political agenda..... I mean, if Obama made another super-duper speech about race, what do you think the Republicans and their lackeys at Fox News would do?
I'll tell you what they'd do. They'd accuse him of playing politics with race.
It's a lose-lose catch-22.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/15/obama_kanye_west_is_a_jackass.html
The right and their cronies pushed the opinion that Michelle Obama hates America..... yet none of those same self-proclaimed patriots seemed to get hot and bothered by Todd Palin's secessionist views.
What I see from the right wingers is not the "American exceptionalism" I can respect and even agree with from time to time-- it's "Southern exceptionalism"..... and in a worst case scenario, it's "Confederate exceptionalism," the kind of holier-than-thou regional patriotism that threatens gun violence and secession if it doesn't get its way. The kind of exceptionalism that has little use for American democracy and patriotic egalitarianism.
Quote from: custosnox on September 19, 2009, 06:52:02 PM
You remind me of so many of the people that when they are getting arrested they start screaming "It's because I'm black". No, it's because you broke the law.
Yet somehow, statistically speaking blacks get arrested more often than whites of a similar socioeconomic background and get disproportionately long sentences. The criminal justice system in this country is most certainly racist, whether by design or by accident. While these days its not generally overt racism, it's the insidious sort that lies in the subconscious mind, it still exists.
I would be willing to bet that most people on this board have racist thoughts, whether consciously or unconsciously. Most people in society do. I do. I don't discriminate against black people. I have had black friends, but the thing is I notice they are black. I think of them differently. Not in a bad way, at least consciously, but I do notice the difference in skin color and sometimes, much to my shame, I even react differently internally when I encounter black people in an unfamiliar situation than I would to a white person.
I think it's funny how people want to call helping minorities overcome the overt oppression that was so pervasive in this country until very recently reverse racism. That's not racist, it's just stupid.
Quote from: nathanm on September 20, 2009, 12:30:13 AM
Yet somehow, statistically speaking blacks get arrested more often than whites of a similar socioeconomic background and get disproportionately long sentences. The criminal justice system in this country is most certainly racist, whether by design or by accident. While these days its not generally overt racism, it's the insidious sort that lies in the subconscious mind, it still exists.
I would be willing to bet that most people on this board have racist thoughts, whether consciously or unconsciously. Most people in society do. I do. I don't discriminate against black people. I have had black friends, but the thing is I notice they are black. I think of them differently. Not in a bad way, at least consciously, but I do notice the difference in skin color and sometimes, much to my shame, I even react differently internally when I encounter black people in an unfamiliar situation than I would to a white person.
I think it's funny how people want to call helping minorities overcome the overt oppression that was so pervasive in this country until very recently reverse racism. That's not racist, it's just stupid.
my point is that there seems to be many out there that blame the fact that something is happening to them on the fact of their ethnic standing, and not be willing to take responsibility for their own actions. It is the same mindset of those that as soon as there is a conflict of any level between someone that is white, and someone that is of a minority, it is automatically viewed as being about race. The views that perpetuate racism are being enspoused by both sides, but only one is generally seen as such.
Obama's best soundbite this morning:
All this talk about race is: "Catnip to the Media"
Now I'm watching Peggy Noonan accuse the Prez of being "boorish" for appearing in the media trying to counteract unreasonable talking heads by being.... wait for it.... reasonable -- funny contrast -- did she ever say anything about her old boss Ronald Reagan being "boorish" back when he used the bully pulpit of the presidency on a regular basis?..... This morning, Peggy Noonan decided to be a partisan hypocrite.
Uh, Ruf, the link to HuffPo is from the 2008 campaign when he was still a candidate, not the leader.
Nice try though, thanks for playing.
Quote from: nathanm on September 19, 2009, 07:11:19 AM
You mean people who are considered by everybody to be on the fringe, ala Ann Coulter or Alex Jones?
I'm saying there's fringe on both sides, not just the right.
Quote from: Wilbur on September 21, 2009, 04:48:31 PM
I'm saying there's fringe on both sides, not just the right.
Fringe on right= intolerance
Fringe on left= altruism
Quote from: FOTD on September 21, 2009, 05:20:06 PM
Fringe on right= intolerance
Fringe on left= altruism intolerance
There, fixed that for you
ADIOS LOU DOBBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and take them f@#kin' chicklet teeth you....
Announced he is leaving CNN...
How many days till we see him on Faux News?
Quote from: FOTD on September 21, 2009, 05:20:06 PM
Fringe on right= intolerance
Fringe on left= altruism
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
This is by far the best thread on the internet.
Moonbat, wingnut, tortured accusations of racism on all sides, it's all here...
FOTD, you have your lucid moments, but most of the time it's just scary that you're allowed to vote like everybody else. A classic example of our nation's educational system failing to provide a person with the critical thinking skills essential to effective living.
Buckey,
Ohio State sucks.
FOTD
In an era where there is great concern over monopolies in the media, Murdoch prances through with owning 2 VHF TV stations in New York City, the New York Post, and The Wall Street Journal without concern that someone or something will change this. He's using media to come at us...heretic!
To call Rupert Murdoch a "yellow journalist" might be insulting to what yellow journalism used to be.
Rupert Murdoch's non-apology apologyhttp://mediamatters.org/blog/200911110008
Quote from: Wilbur on September 21, 2009, 04:48:31 PM
I'm saying there's fringe on both sides, not just the right.
Left wing fringe: NBC Reporter: Obama White House Views Gay Rights Protesters As 'Internet Left Fringe'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/12/nbc-reporter-obama-white_n_317081.html
Right wing fringe: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States
http://www.lvrj.com/news/oath-keepers-pledges-to-prevent-dictatorship-in-united-states-64690232.html
Quote from: USRufnex on November 12, 2009, 06:51:38 PM
Left wing fringe: NBC Reporter: Obama White House Views Gay Rights Protesters As 'Internet Left Fringe'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/12/nbc-reporter-obama-white_n_317081.html
Right wing fringe: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States "dangerous peddlers of paranoia"
http://www.lvrj.com/news/oath-keepers-pledges-to-prevent-dictatorship-in-united-states-64690232.html
Hate having to fix your posts, Ruff!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/south-park-takes-on-glenn_n_355570.html
"South Park" Takes On Glenn Beck: Cartman Leads Campaign Against "Communist" President (VIDEO)
Funny stuff...
A Letter to Rush Limbaugh
To: Rush Limbaugh
From: Roger Ebert
"You should be horse-whipped for the insult you have paid to the highest office of our nation.
Having followed President Obama's suggestion and donated money to the Red Cross for relief in Haiti, I was offended to hear you suggest the President might be a thief capable of stealing money intended for the earthquake victims.
Here is a transcript from your program on Thursday:
Justin of Raleigh, North Carolina: "Why does Obama say if you want to donate some money, you could go to whitehouse.gov to direct you how to do so? If I wanted to donate to the Red Cross, why do I have to go to the White House page to donate?"
Limbaugh: "Exactly. Would you trust the money's gonna go to Haiti?"
Justin: "No."
Rush: "But would you trust that your name's gonna end up on a mailing list for the Obama people to start asking you for campaign donations for him and other causes?"
Justin: "Absolutely!"
Limbaugh: "Absolutely!"
That's what was said.
Unlike you and Justin of Raleigh, I went to Obama's web site, and discovered the link there leads directly to the Red Cross. I can think of a reason why anyone might want to go via the White House. That way they can be absolutely sure they're clicking on the Red Cross and not a fake site set up to exploit the tragedy.
But let me be sure I have this right. You and Justin agree that Obama might steal money intended for the Red Cross to help the wretched of Haiti.
This conversation came 48 hours after many of us had seen pitiful sights from Port au Prince. Tens of thousands are believed still alive beneath the rubble. You twisted their suffering into an opportunity to demean the character of the President of the United States.
This cannot have been an accident. A day earlier, in a sound bite from your show, you said "this will play right into Obama's hands. He's humanitarian, compassionate. They'll use this to burnish their, shall we say, 'credibility' with the black community -- in the both light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country. It's made-to-order for them."
Setting aside your riff on Harry Reid, consider what you imply. Obama will aid Haiti to please African-Americans. Haiti has lost untold thousands of lives. One third of the population has lost its homes. Countless people are still buried in the rubble. Every American president would act quickly to help our neighbor. You are so cynical and heartless as to explain Obama's action in a way that unpleasantly suggests how your mind works.
You have a sizable listening audience. You apparently know how to please them. Anybody given a $400 million contract must know what he is doing.
That's what offends me. You know exactly what you're doing. "
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100114/OPINION/100119985
KRMG needs to get a grip on what they broadcast....