The Hate Talk Industry never ceases to amaze. Obama's stay-in-school speech is labled as Indoctrination, brainwashing.
Obama is clearly a Comu-nazi-fasci-social-marxi-muslim-ist...
It never ceases to amaze me the idiocy of a very small fringe group of people. So now we must censor, review and check for appropriateness before allowing students in school to see POTUS OBAMA give a speech directed towards those still in school about staying in school and getting a good education. Even Nixon was allowed to be viewed by our children. Parents are now calling the principal because they don't want the school to air the president's speech. Those parents are the very same ones who profess their loyalty to the Commander in Chief. They (the fringe nut cases) have infused themselves into ever fiber of the fabric of America. Recall a time when reason and sanity ruled and if you were a fringe element you were shunned by society and given no credence. If you were a public official you were chastised and either resigned or were not reelected because your outlandishness. No, now we have a TV stations giving them airtime (Yes, there was a time too when nut jobs didn't get airtime, in fact they went out of their way to show just how much of a nut job they really were) and giving a legitimacy to their ideas that should be scorned by any true rational person. Stop the fearmongering. Stop the hate. Most of all stop the blatant racism. Most of our society is better than these things.
Conservatives on Obama's stay-in-school speech: "Indoctrination," "brainwashing," Communist China, Hitler Youth
http://mediamatters.org/research/200909020012
Maybe the President could read "My Pet Goat" to the kids while the country is bombed.
I'm going to start out by saying enough with the racist card. I'm almost to the point that when that gets played I want to say "Oh yeah? Well, I'm a poor, down-trodden white guy. Beat that". Just because someone disagrees with POTUS does not make him a racist. This is an attitude that has become all too prevailant in this day and age, and heaven forbid you disagree with a minority, because if you do, then your racist. So I say ENOUGH!
Now, on to the subject at hand. The far rights that are pulling this are being rediculous. I have never been a supporter of Obama, however I see no fault in this. I will most likely watch this myself. I think it is a good thing that our president is taking an active interest in our childrens education. From the reports I read, the real complaint comes from the suggested material for the schools. I would guess that those that are against it havent' taken time to read it. These suggestions, in my opinion, are well thought out, intelligent, and well placed given the context of the speech. I am looking forward to seeing our President make an attempt at inspiring our children to do better.
Sorry, but it is what it is. No other Commander in Chief has had to endure this level of nonsense. And that is what it is. You agreed. This is not party politics. It is derived from fear of our leader. Never has FOTD seen such flailing vial hate for all things Obama.
I won't say that some of the opposition to him isn't racism. However, that does not make everything about race. This is just some closed minded people jumping on the socialism bandwagon and using that to make a flap against a president that they don't like. As it is, by continuing to use the race card it is quickly loosing any strength it might have to the point that noone will even look when it is a true case of it.
FOTD posted early today on a subject about a Grove Town Hall meeting.
Nobody here agreed and said Inhofe, a not happening Dude, had shown recklessness, destructive flat out lies, and offered no new ideas.
This forum has slipped into apathy when it comes to justice and the American way.
Where is the outrage amongst you?
Just a bunch of not happening hate mongers?
I can't comment one way or about that post since I didn't read it. The title combined with the author had killed interest in looking for me. Now it would take me the rest of the night to catch up on the post with the amount of replies on it.
Quote from: custosnox on September 03, 2009, 05:16:43 PM
I can't comment one way or about that post since I didn't read it. The title combined with the author had killed interest in looking for me. Now it would take me the rest of the night to catch up on the post with the amount of replies on it.
Here: http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=14149.msg142658;topicseen#msg142658
Man up if you got any....nobody else here really is...
Quote from: FOTD on September 03, 2009, 05:20:10 PM
Here: http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=14149.msg142658;topicseen#msg142658
Man up if you got any....nobody else here really is...
Get back to washing that dog and that nasty tub of yours....
Quote from: FOTD on September 03, 2009, 05:09:29 PM
Where is the outrage amongst you?
I am outraged. Happy enough to shut up now?
President Bush went into schools. I remember in particular him reading the book "My Pet Goat" to children.
Quote from: FOTD on September 03, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
...the idiocy of a very small fringe group of people....
Thank you for finally recognizing that it is a very small group of people and not indicative of all thinking conservatives.
who the hell are these people.
it must be miserable existance to be constantly 'outraged'.
like it or not, you got at least 3 more years. you gonna be 'outraged' everyday over something.
all you "conservatives" were manipulated during the gwb years and it continues but you're too stupid to see it.
Quote from: PepePeru on September 04, 2009, 09:22:58 AM
all Some of you "conservatives" were manipulated during the gwb years and it continues but you're too stupid to see it.
fixed your post
Quote from: Conan71 on September 04, 2009, 10:17:50 AM
fixed your post
Sorry, I figured the " " around conservatives would be enough.
Quote from: FOTD on September 03, 2009, 04:41:26 PM
Sorry, but it is what it is. No other Commander in Chief has had to endure this level of nonsense.
Really? You don't think Bush would have been jumped on if he had this exact same gaff? How about every misspoken word he had posted to the internet as proof that he was/is an idiot. And what does this have to do with race in any way, shape or form? He's the President, taking flack for stupid reasons comes with the job.
But more on point: it's a non-issue. Some staffer made a stupid mistake and made the event about Obama instead of about the United States. The thought was good, essentially "what can you do to help the President make American better," but the execution was more campaign like than presidential.
I have no outrage in this matter. Sorry.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on September 04, 2009, 11:18:37 AM
Really? You don't think Bush would have been jumped on if he had this exact same gaff? How about every misspoken word he had posted to the internet as proof that he was/is an idiot. And what does this have to do with race in any way, shape or form? He's the President, taking flack for stupid reasons comes with the job.
But more on point: it's a non-issue. Some staffer made a stupid mistake and made the event about Obama instead of about the United States. The thought was good, essentially "what can you do to help the President make American better," but the execution was more campaign like than presidential.
I have no outrage in this matter. Sorry.
No, FOTD is soooo sorry Groovie Crushtation. This demon thought it was about
Education and the Old American way. You must have had a Bush hard on moment.....
I think they actually have this dystopian-type image in their heads
This could not happen in our country! It's all media hype for ratings.
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edited to add pic
Quote from: Michael71 on September 04, 2009, 02:29:07 PM
I think they actually have this dystopian-type image in their heads
This could not happen in our country! It's all media hype for ratings.
Amazing too that they voted for that Monkey Bush twice and now have an issue with an intelligent, more evolved man being President.
Reps. Sally Kern, Randy Brogdon and Mary Fallin are only looking out for our children by telling schools to snub the speech.
Im sure they have nothing personal to gain by jumping on some bandwagon...
After all, nothing good comes from exposing our children to our leaders.
(http://www.edweek.org/media/2009/01/08/bush_nclb515.jpg)
/sarcasm
I have a cousin that attends Union. Was asking her what she thought of it yesterday and apparantly they haven't even told the students about it. I'll be asking my kids tonight if their schools are going to be participating.
It's getting worse as The Right Wing leads this nation to a great divide. If they don't stop our country will fail.
Is this the intention?
Their God gave a speech to our children on No. 14,1988....see the irony, the hatred, the bigotry?
Conservative media take note: Reagan preached tax cut gospel to America's students
September 03, 2009 1:09 pm ET by Matt Gertz
Putting aside possible ulterior motives, the conservative freak-out over President Obama's planned speech to students urging them to stay in school and work hard is due to fears that Obama will use his platform as an opportunity to push his agenda on unsuspecting students. Ironically, that's exactly what President Reagan did two decades ago.
On November 14, 1988, Reagan addressed and took questions from students from four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building. According to press secretary Marlin Fitzwater, the speech was broadcast live and rebroadcast by C-Span, and Instructional Television Network fed the program "t o schools nationwide on three different days." Much of Reagan's speech that day covered the American "vision of self-government" and the need "to keep faith with the unfinished vision of the greatness and wonder of America" but in the middle of the speech, the president went off on a tangent about the importance of low taxes:
Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.
I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.
During the question-and-answer portion of the event, Reagan returned to the topic, this time telling the students that lowering taxes increases revenue:
Q My name is Cam Fitzie and I'm from St. Agnes School in Alexandria, Virginia. I was wondering if you think that it is possible to decrease the national debt without raising the taxes of the public?
PRESIDENT REAGAN: I do. That's a big argument that's going on in government and I definitely believe it is because one of the principle reasons that we were able to get the economy back on track and create those new jobs and all was we cut the taxes, we reduced them. Because you see, the taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper and to earn more and so forth because they have to give so much to the government. And what we have found is that at the lower rates the government gets more revenue, there are more people paying taxes because there are more people with jobs and there are more people willing to earn more money because they get to keep a bigger share of it, so today, we're getting more revenue at the lower rates than we were at the higher. And do you know something? I studied economics in college when I was young and I learned there about a man named Ibn Khaldun, who lived 1200 years ago in Egypt. And 1200 years ago he said, in the beginning of the empire, the rates were low, the tax rates were low, but the revenue was great. He said in the end of empire, when the empire was collapsing, the rates were great and the revenue was low.
The students probably didn't know any better, but this is an idea that has been rejected by virtually every economist not named Larry Kudlow.
Do Sean Hannity and the folks at NewsBusters think President Reagan was engaging in Maoist indoctrination? Do Glenn Beck and WorldNetDaily think Reagan was pulling a Mussolini or attempting to assemble his own Hitler Youth? Or is it possible that the conservative media has decided that if Obama is for it – whether "it" means "universal health care" or "stay in school" – they're against it?"
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909030020 read the comments at the bottom. Priceless!
Per Yahoo News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090908/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_school_speech
What's the big damn flap???
"I expect great things from each of you," he said. "So don't let us down — don't let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it."
Wow! That be some serious brain-washin' goin' on there alright. :-\
WASHINGTON – Take responsibility for your education. Go to class and listen. Don't let failures define you.
That's the advice President Barack Obama will give schoolchildren Tuesday in a speech that drew fire even before he delivered it.
"We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems," Obama said. "If you don't do that — if you quit on school — you're not just quitting on yourself, you're quitting on your country."
The White House posted Obama's remarks on its Web site Monday.
The president was to deliver the talk at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va., a Washington suburb. The speech will be broadcast live on C-SPAN and on the White House Web site.
In the prepared remarks, Obama tells young people that all the work of parents, educators and others won't matter "unless you show up to those schools, pay attention to those teachers."
Obama's planned talk has proven controversial, with several conservative organizations and individuals accusing him of trying to pitch his arguments too aggressively in a local-education setting. White House officials, including Education Secretary Arne Duncan, have said the allegations are silly.
Obama makes no reference in his prepared remarks to the uproar surrounding his speech. Nor does he make an appeal for support for tough causes such as his health care overhaul. He uses the talk to tell kids about his at-times clumsy ways as a child and to urge them to set goals and work hard to achieve them.
"I think it is a very good speech," Loudoun County, Va., school superintendent Edgar Hatrick told WTOP News in Washington, "but it's just not on the first day of school very convenient for everybody to stop in the middle of lunch and to stop everything else they're doing and hear the live broadcast."
Pittsburgh Public Schools Superintendent Mark Roosevelt told KDKA Radio: "If the president wants to speak to the students of America and talk about the importance of academic achievement and working hard, that is a wonderful thing and ought not to be the subject of debate."
Duncan, in an interview Tuesday on MSNBC, said the controversy wasn't merited, but he also acknowledged that guidance the administration sent to schools about how kids could participate Tuesday could have been better worded.
In his talk, Obama says: "At the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents and the best schools in the world, and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities."
Some conservatives have called on schools and parents to boycott the address. They say Obama is using the opportunity to promote a political agenda.
Schools don't have to show the speech. And some districts have decided not to, partly in response to concerns from parents.
Duncan's department has also taken heat for proposed lesson plans distributed to accompany the speech.
The education secretary has acknowledged that a section about writing to the president on how students could help him meet education goals was poorly worded and has been changed.
In his remarks, Obama leaves the students with some words of encouragement.
"I expect great things from each of you," he said. "So don't let us down — don't let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it."
I say, play the speech backwards....
Quote from: USRufnex on September 08, 2009, 11:56:08 AM
I say, play the speech backwards....
Oh yes, a lot of cloaked EVIL playing that message backwards (Best Dr. Gene Squat voice)
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/08/laura.bush/
The speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZZ6GrzWkw0
Quote from: FOTD on September 04, 2009, 02:35:43 PM
Amazing too that they voted for that Monkey Bush twice and now have an issue with an intelligent, more evolved man being President.
1) I did not vote for Bush twice, but thanks for making assumptions.
2) If anyone referred to current president as "Monkey Obama" you'd be calling them a racist and demanding they be banned.
Thanks for the link JNE. I'll ask my boy about it tonight. I'm guessing he really doesn't care about what Obama (or any other politician) has to say.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on September 08, 2009, 12:59:05 PM
1) I did not vote for Bush twice, but thanks for making assumptions.
2) If anyone referred to current president as "Monkey Obama" you'd be calling them a racist and demanding they be banned.
Thanks for the link JNE. I'll ask my boy about it tonight. I'm guessing he really doesn't care about what Obama (or any other politician) has to say.
Oh but Crushie, FOTD never would never make a disrespectful comment about this Prez. At least this devil will wait until right after his speech Wens. night. Then, it becomes the selling out of a president. Because Obama refuses to put forward any progressive ideas, the only ideas available are right wing ideas.
Quote from: FOTD on September 08, 2009, 01:42:32 PM
Oh but Crushie, FOTD never would never make a disrespectful comment about this Prez. At least this devil will wait until right after his speech Wens. night. Then, it becomes the selling out of a president. Because Obama refuses to put forward any progressive ideas, the only ideas available are right wing ideas.
You got chump-changed like everyone else who supported him, didn't you?
(http://rlv.zcache.com/chump_change_obama_poster-p228101243081468172trma_400.jpg)
Told you so.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 08, 2009, 01:48:34 PM
You got chump-changed like everyone else who supported him, didn't you?
(http://rlv.zcache.com/chump_change_obama_poster-p228101243081468172trma_400.jpg)
Told you so.
CoCo, FOTD would still have voted for POTUS (soon to be POTA$$) OBAMA over that Palin witch and her side kick McBush.
C'mon, please. I just want to hear you utter:
"Conman was right, I got chump-changed"
Pretty please?!?!
Quote from: Conan71 on September 08, 2009, 02:06:44 PM
C'mon, please. I just want to hear you utter:
"Conman was right, I got chump-changed"
Pretty please?!?!
You have trouble reading?
Quote"Conman was right, I got chump-changed"
CoCo, the
Lee Atwater Anne Coulter in you is coming (sp) out.
Thread Jackie...
GOP: HOW DARE OBAMA SPEAK AT ALL?
"It would be different, of course, if he read 'The Pet Goat' while we were under attack, or like Ronald Reagan who told them all about how bad government and taxes are."
http://www.legitgov.org/shulman_gop_how_dare_obama_speak_060908.html
Satire by R J Shulman
WASHINGTON - (PTSD News) - After a week of expressing outrage that President Barack Obama planned to speak to American school children, in an attempt to build an Obama Youth Corp in the model of Hitler Youth, Republicans have expanded this campaign to stop Obama's speeches altogether.
"No American should have to listen socialized fascist propaganda if they don't want to," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. "Of course, it's too late for the traitorous liberal Democrat socialists, but what about the true patriot who is in a car when his dial breaks and he is forced to listen to that Communist Nazi?"
"Isn't Barack happy that he is not working in the fields and has become the White House Negro?" asked GOP Acting Chairman, Rush Limbaugh. "Those affirmative action people will never be satisfied."
"Those leftist liberal progressive terrorist-loving America-hating bigots will try and tell you Obama has a First Amendment right to speak," said Fox News host Glenn Beck, "but what about our First Amendment right to shout him down and our Second Amendment right to shoot him down?"
"How dare Barack Obama try to tell our children about hope and school achievement?" asked House Minority Leader John Boehner. "It would be different, of course, if he read 'The Pet Goat' while we were being attacked, or like Ronald Reagan, who told them all about how bad government and taxes are."
To quell the angry attacks about his speech, the Obama Administration has released a transcript of his entire revised script which reads, "Our children are the future."
"We think those five simple words can get bipartisan support," said a White House spokesperson. But there may still be opposition to this speech. "More lies from Obama," said Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley (R), "Our children have no future."
06 Sep 2009