http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/27/inhofe-birthers-point/ (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/27/inhofe-birthers-point/)
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Inhofe: The birthers 'have a point,' 'I don't discourage it.'
Recently, the birther movement has gained greater notoriety, with CNN's Lou Dobbs promoting the discredited myth and right-wing activists confronting members of Congress. Though the conspiracy theory has been thoroughly-debunked, some Republicans continue to feed "the wacko wing" of the party. For instance, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) recently told Politico that he thinks the birthers "have a point":
But as if to illustrate the touchiness of the subject, Hoekstra quickly added: "Not that this isn't important."
Sen. Jim Inhofe has also tried to find the elusive middle ground.
"They have a point," he said of the birthers. "I don't discourage it. ... But I'm going to pursue defeating [Obama] on things that I think are very destructive to America."
It's unclear why Politico characterizes Inhofe's decided support for the "birthers" as an "elusive middle ground" stance.
Update Inhofe spokesman Jared Young sent another statement to Greg Sargent on the birther issue:
The point that they make is the Constitutional mandate that the U.S. President be a natural born citizen, and the White House has not done a very good job of dispelling the concerns of these citizens. My focus is on issues where I can make a difference to stop the liberal agenda being pushed by President Obama.
And this guy represents a sane and sound citizenery of Oklahoma?
Quote from: joiei on July 27, 2009, 07:48:31 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/27/inhofe-birthers-point/ (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/27/inhofe-birthers-point/)
And this guy represents a sane and sound citizenery of Oklahoma?
He's bad.
Jingoistic neo-con pig. Senile old coot?
It's gotten crazy enough so Hawaii has to post another response.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate)
HONOLULU – State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.
Obama wasn't born in the US
State of Hawaii (the entity that would issue the BC): We have a birth certificate.
It's a fake!
Newspapers: Birth announcement was made in our paper(s).
Those are rigged!
State of Hawaii: We have reviewed the birth certificate, it is authentic.
You're in on it!
Really, you can't win. If Obama released his original certified birth certificate they'd claim he used his power to have a fake on made. No matter what you can't prove to them he was born in the USA. As would be the same with the majority of Americans - if you claim the documentation is all faked, how do you prove it?
Apparently they are unable to attack him on the merits of his policies or lack thereof. Same problem people had with Bush (attacking Halliburton connections or other stupid things). It distracts from real issues and nothing will ever come of it.
Birthers? Birchers? All just a little bit of history repeating.....
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Defy the crazy birther people!
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=16&articleid=20090728_16_A1_Obamas872273
Senaturd Nonsense from Oklahoma....
Lou Dobbers?
There is a movie coming out on Aug 4th (Obama's alledged birthdate) about the truth of Obama's birthplace and heritage. He needs to just come out and show his long form birth certificate that comes straight from the Hawaiin government. That would eliminate all of this but he won't do it. Until he does so I cannot accept him as President and neither should anyone else. He also has not released any of his school records or records from previous political positions. Previous Presidents have released this information with no problem. He is definately hiding something and this won't go away.
Oy vey
There is no constitutional requirement for him to release those records. Many of them are public record (such as law review articles, $5 for reprints). Most are not relevant at all (school records). And all questions have been answered by officials in charge.
Your stance is: Yeah he doesn't have to release them and every official in a capacity to verify the authenticity of said status has done so, but I think it's a big scam. I think if those same officials released a copy of it then I'd believe him.
And the response is: no you wouldn't. You'd just claim they were in a on the scam and fabricated a copy. So nothing at all would be solved.
I've never seen a birth certificate for any politician. Never cared. If the officials in charge say he was born in Hawaii, it's pretty stupid for me to argue that they are wrong lacking evidence of some vast conspiracy.
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on July 28, 2009, 12:27:46 PM
There is a movie coming out on Aug 4th (Obama's alledged birthdate) about the truth of Obama's birthplace and heritage. He needs to just come out and show his long form birth certificate that comes straight from the Hawaiin government. That would eliminate all of this but he won't do it. Until he does so I cannot accept him as President and neither should anyone else. He also has not released any of his school records or records from previous political positions. Previous Presidents have released this information with no problem. He is definately hiding something and this won't go away.
Oh boy...
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Quote from: cannon_fodder on July 28, 2009, 01:13:38 PM
If the officials in charge say he was born in Hawaii, it's pretty stupid for me to argue that they are wrong lacking evidence of some vast conspiracy.
So you just believe everything the officials in charge say? That is why this country is so messed up.
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on July 28, 2009, 12:27:46 PM
There is a movie coming out on Aug 4th (Obama's alledged birthdate) about the truth of Obama's birthplace and heritage. He needs to just come out and show his long form birth certificate that comes straight from the Hawaiin government. That would eliminate all of this but he won't do it. Until he does so I cannot accept him as President and neither should anyone else. He also has not released any of his school records or records from previous political positions. Previous Presidents have released this information with no problem. He is definately hiding something and this won't go away.
who, which presidents have had to produce a copy of their birth certificates. I would guess that President Obama has a passport and you can't get one of those without a birth certificate of certificate of nationalization. So name them, the presidents that you speak of that have had to show their birth certificates. And his birth certificate has already been released or have you not been paying attention. And if you can not link to proof then your arugument is so totally bogus.
I wonder how many of the people that bash the birthers are the same ones themselves who believe in the Bush stole the elections,Bush lied to get us to war,Bush went AWOL,believe Bush or the government had something to do with 9-11 or the Iraq war is for oil? Every side has their conspiracy theorist.
He never released his long form birth certificate. What he released was a Certificate of Live Birth that does not say what hospital he was born in or have any official seal or signatures. He also has not released his passport. John McCain released his long form birth certificate because he was born at a US military base outside the US that is considered US soil. Other Presidents have never been questionable. Obama is questionable by enough people for this to still be in the news. If he cannot prove that he is a natural born citizen then he is breaking the law.
FYI: I am not a Republican or a Bush supporter. I think Obama is Bush part 2 but worse.
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on July 28, 2009, 02:50:46 PM
He never released his long form birth certificate.
Most of the Obama birth truffers claimed his short form was a fake,why wouldn't they do that with the long form?
QuoteWhat he released was a Certificate of Live Birth that does not say what hospital he was born in or have any official seal or signatures.
It does have the signature and raised seal.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
raised seal
(http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg)
signature
(http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg)
He also has not released his passport. John McCain released his long form birth certificate because he was born at a US military base outside the US that is considered US soil. Other Presidents have never been questionable.
QuoteObama is questionable by enough people for this to still be in the news.
What has Obama done to make people question where he was born? He hasn't done anything to make people question where he was born. The question came up because of sore losers and conspiracy loons with an ax to grind.
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on July 28, 2009, 02:01:57 PM
So you just believe everything the officials in charge say? That is why this country is so messed up.
Nope. I encourage people to doubt officials. But when said official has the best information available and there is not evidence that they either have or have a motivation to falsify said information . . . then doubting it is worthless.
Officials say the Earth goes around the sun. I have not observed nor proven this myself. But it is still the best and most logical information available so I go with it. If presented with information that is contrary to the official version it is worth looking into. If that evidence proves to be compelling then look some more.
Obama can not PROVE he was born in the United States to you no matter what he does. He has traveled outside the US, yet you think he has a magically faked passport. He has released a birth certificate, but you want a different one. Newspaper reports were published announcing his birth, but they are in on it to.
You have a negative hypothesis with no supporting data. You are totally unable to prove he was born outside the US and are unwilling to accept evidence to the contrary. You have constructed a scenario in which your contention has no merit but by refusing to accept evidence to the contrary you cannot be proven wrong. So congrats.
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on July 28, 2009, 02:50:46 PM
He never released his long form birth certificate. What he released was a Certificate of Live Birth that does not say what hospital he was born in or have any official seal or signatures. He also has not released his passport. John McCain released his long form birth certificate because he was born at a US military base outside the US that is considered US soil. Other Presidents have never been questionable. Obama is questionable by enough people for this to still be in the news. If he cannot prove that he is a natural born citizen then he is breaking the law.
FYI: I am not a Republican or a Bush supporter. I think Obama is Bush part 2 but worse.
John McCain is not the president and has never been the president. You stated
QuotePrevious Presidents have released this information with no problem.
I think you need to get your argument together.
In the long run there is nothing that will ever satisfy the people who claim that President Obama is not legal because they refuse to accept any of the evidence that has been presented to them.
I feel sorry for all of you. What if someone came to you and requested all that information and then refused to believe any of your evidence that you were a natural born American?
Quote from: joiei on July 28, 2009, 04:26:53 PM
I feel sorry for all of you. What if someone came to you and requested all that information and then refused to believe any of your evidence that you were a natural born American?
I would do exactly as Obama has done: refuse to take them seriously and ignore them.
Hawaii issued a copy of the receipt for a birth certificate; putting birth notices in the paper does not require independent verification does it? I accept it as evidence of live birth in Hawaii, but it is not irrefutable. Why do you think Hillary Clinton stayed in the primary so long? Why did her campaign release the image of Sotero in 'muslim' garb? That is evidence - not irrefutable - that she believed there was something to all that 'native-born' stuff and she is no dummy. Why did Sotero's law firm issue 'white papers' discussing the native-born provision of the Constitution once he gained national prominence?
Quote from: Know Nothing on July 29, 2009, 09:26:26 AM
Why do you think Hillary Clinton stayed in the primary so long? Why did her campaign release the image of Sotero in 'muslim' garb? That is evidence - not irrefutable - that she believed there was something to all that 'native-born' stuff and she is no dummy.
Ummm, probably because she was trying to beat Obama in an election and if a handful of people would be willing to vote against him by hanging onto such threads would serve her self interest. She is no dummy. It served her interest to perpetuate, at least casually, such rumors.
What would be "irrefutable" evidence that he was born in Hawaii? Evidence that you wouldn't claim was forged, made up, doctored, or otherwise faked.
As it stands, all the documents are apparently faked and newspapers in Hawaii or relatives of Obama were thinking some black baby born in Kenya/Indonesia (6 months after his parents got married in Hawaii) was going to be the next president so they went to the trouble of faking birth announcements. He then used his influence, which was apparently greater than Senator Hillary Clinton and her husband as well as all the Republican Candidates including McCain to forge documents in Hawaii. That just seems unlikely to me.
QuoteLimbaugh's scared to talk about the birthers and won't defend them because he has seen how Dobbs and the movement got manhandled by the press -- including by conservative commentators. In fact, Limbaugh himself took some friendly fire from Philip Klein at the far-right American Spectator who, under the headline, "Shame on Rush," announced: "To any sane human being, there is no controversy."
Limbaugh saw how the press was sticking to the birth certificate facts and wasn't shy about knocking down high-paid radio hosts who tried to traffic in that nonsense.
And guess what? If Limbaugh won't back the birthers, that means most right-wing AM hosts won't either. Because that business is built upon a very simple (lemming) rule: Do whatever Rush does. And if Limbaugh won't line up on the side of the birthers, than means most AM talkers won't either, which means the birthers are going to be pushed back to the fringes where they belong.
This statement comes from here http://mediamatters.org/columns/200907270015 (http://mediamatters.org/columns/200907270015)
I will stop talking about this dead topic.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on July 28, 2009, 03:49:03 PM
Obama can not PROVE he was born in the United States to you no matter what he does.
Like I said, all he has to do is release his long form birth certificate with the hospital name where he was born and I will accept it. But he won't do it because he is hiding something. And it sounds like you people don't want to see it. If both of his parents were established Americans like previous Presidents there would be no question.
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on July 29, 2009, 12:06:30 PM
Like I said, all he has to do is release his long form birth certificate with the hospital name where he was born and I will accept it. But he won't do it because he is hiding something. And it sounds like you people don't want to see it. If both of his parents were established Americans like previous Presidents there would be no question.
You do get that the most ridiculous part of this argument is that even if Obama was born in Kenya with a (singular) American parent he would still be a natural born citizen.
Not that this will convince you, but for anyone else reading: The United States Code, TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 part (g) says:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
Quote from: swake on July 29, 2009, 12:54:17 PM
You do get that the most ridiculous part of this argument is that even if Obama was born in Kenya with a (singular) American parent he would still be a natural born citizen.
Not that this will convince you, but for anyone else reading: The United States Code, TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 part (g) says:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
But that's the thing...his mother's from somewhere beyond the sun. Sooooo, this means he's not American and can fry your brain with his thoughts.
Watch out for his unforgiving gaze.
Here is the birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is not a fake and is a legal and legitimate birth certificate.
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-12/barack-obama-birth-certificate_43705180.jpg)
Something else, I went and checked and MY birth certificate is almost identical to this one. It does not list a hospital or a doctor, just where and when I was born and who the parents were. I have never seen any other birth certificate and that document has been accepted as legal documentation of my birth every time I have used it.
Quote from: swake on July 29, 2009, 02:42:53 PM
Here is the birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is not a fake and is a legal and legitimate birth certificate.
(http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg)
Something else, I went and checked and MY birth certificate is almost identical to this one. It does not list a hospital or a doctor, just where and when I was born and who the parents were. I have never seen any other birth certificate and that document has been accepted as legal documentation of my birth every time I have used it.
IMO, the difference?
You're not the first African-American President. Now before all you racist-mongerers come out to attack me about that statement, think about it. Was this done to John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal? And IS a legal US citizen. Nope.
It humors me actually to see the wing-nuts get all frothy at the mouth about this issue when there are so many more issues to be debated. If that's all they (the 'birthers') can come up with after essentially a year of this stuff, then they're grasping.
Racism Is the Prime Cause for Debunked Obama Birth Certificate Conspiracy Theory
The "birther" conspiracy has been utterly debunked, yet more GOP establishment figures have embraced the transparently racist cause.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/141587/racism_is_the_prime_cause_for_debunked_obama_birth_certificate_conspiracy_theory/?page=entire
"Like all conspiracy theories, it springs from the fertile soil of collective denial. Unlike all conspiracy theories, it thrives on a deep-rooted, racist belief: that a black man with a foreign name could never have won the presidency in the United States through anything other than trickery, deception or fraud."
"There's a bizarre tendency, every time a person of color criticizes white folks -- or just white racism -- to say 'that's racism,' " says Wise. "So, by that logic, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a racist, Barack Obama is a racist, Sonia Sotomayor is a racist. ... Meanwhile, people like Pat Buchanan, who say Sonia Sotomayor is unqualified or that white people built the country and are basically entitled to 100 percent of everything -- they're not racist."
" Given how deep such notions of entitlement and superiority can run, it's hard to know to what degree the birthers are fully conscious of the racist impulses behind their crazy allegations -- or whether they are in such denial that they actually believe their own bullsh!t."
"It appears to me that the Republican party, because of the choices it has made -- going back 40 years or more -- on policy positions have guaranteed that they were destined to be, at the end of the day, the white nationalist party," says Wise.
" Mainstream Republicans who wish to look respectable may want to distance themselves from this "lunatic fringe," but as representatives of a party largely built on structural racism, this is a very real part of their base."
" It would be pushing it to see the birthers phenomenon as a a sign that white hegemony is nearing its last throes. However, "one really positive thing about Obama's presidency in regards to race" says Wise, is that "its created this nuttiness on the part of a lot white folks who have always been thinking this stuff but they just haven't been as bold with it."
"At some point, people will have to say, maybe black folks aren't the crazy ones. Maybe it's not the folks of color who have lost their minds. Maybe it's you."
Bottom line.
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on July 29, 2009, 12:06:30 PM
If both of his parents were established Americans like previous Presidents there would be no question.
Ahh, there it is. His parents weren't American
ENOUGH for him to be president. The details, like the fact his mother was a U.S. citizen or that he was born on US soil, are not that important. He is the son of a Muslim African born on some pacific island.
If you truly think this line of thinking will win you or your ideology any points or somehow get Obama removed as president, have at it. But I really hope you know you're just wasting your time.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on July 29, 2009, 03:34:20 PM
Ahh, there it is. His parents weren't American ENOUGH for him to be president. The details, like the fact his mother was a U.S. citizen or that he was born on US soil, are not that important. He is the son of a Muslim African born on some pacific island.
If you truly think this line of thinking will win you or your ideology any points or somehow get Obama removed as president, have at it. But I really hope you know you're just wasting your time.
Amen. This birth certificate nonsense is just getting nothing but old. If I keep hearing about it, I think my head is going to explode.
Like it or not, Barack Obama is our President. DEAL WITH IT.
Quote from: swake on July 29, 2009, 02:42:53 PM
Here is the birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is not a fake and is a legal and legitimate birth certificate.
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-12/barack-obama-birth-certificate_43705180.jpg)
Something else, I went and checked and MY birth certificate is almost identical to this one. It does not list a hospital or a doctor, just where and when I was born and who the parents were. I have never seen any other birth certificate and that document has been accepted as legal documentation of my birth every time I have used it.
Ah HAH!!!
I've known it all along, swake. You are NOT an American citizen!
Quote from: Conan71 on July 29, 2009, 04:16:06 PM
Ah HAH!!!
I've known it all along, swake. You are NOT an American citizen!
I'm a Canadian plant from way back, didn't you know?
Bwaaahhhaaahhh!!!
http://gawker.com/5322310/cnn-boss-tells-lou-dobbs-birther-story-is-dead
"The part I don't understand is where the eeeevil Kenyan gov't, gifted with the prescience to plant an extra-terrestrial, vat-raised alien clone, lo 40 years ago, whilst using time travel to insert birth notices in two HA newspapers and using sleeper HA civil servants to slip in a "short" birth certificate, then just for giggles, naming it "Barack Hussein", can't also use their Witch Mountain technology to also put the "long" birth certificate.
Because all the time-traveling, Area-51 using, human clone raising, sleeper agent staffing, Kenyan Secret Service agents that I know are professional enough to go the final mile and take care of such details.
We really should give them their due. They may be Kenyan civil servants, but they're hard-working Kenyan civil servants.
It's because "Birthers" hate The Government, isn't it?"
Is the only reason for parents to establish citizenship for their children soley in case they run for President? If the circumstances of birth would cast doubt on that status, would you not do everything to buttress the kids' citizenship status? No of course not that is IMPOSSIBLE. NO ONE could be that smart. NO ONE. EVER. Say, did Barry Sotero ever legally change his name?
I agree that this is going nowhere fast. We should focus on the $27 TRILLION that his regime has given to the international banking criminals. Beers with idiots, what Michelle wears, or where Mr. Sotero was born are all distractions.
Oh, lookee here though: 58% of GOP members think this is an issue ([http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html?showall (http://[http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html?showall)). What kind of tin foil hatters, UFO seeking dolts would belong to a party where soooooo many of its core are mentally ill and off their medication? One would have to be a complete idiot!
Quote from: Know Nothing on July 31, 2009, 08:57:07 AM
Is the only reason for parents to establish citizenship for their children soley in case they run for President? If the circumstances of birth would cast doubt on that status, would you not do everything to buttress the kids' citizenship status? No of course not that is IMPOSSIBLE. NO ONE could be that smart. NO ONE. EVER. Say, did Barry Sotero ever legally change his name?
I agree that this is going nowhere fast. We should focus on the $27 TRILLION that his regime has given to the international banking criminals. Beers with idiots, what Michelle wears, or where Mr. Sotero was born are all distractions.
Oh, lookee here though: 58% of GOP members think this is an issue ([http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html?showall (http://[http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html?showall)). What kind of tin foil hatters, UFO seeking dolts would belong to a party where soooooo many of its core are mentally ill and off their medication? One would have to be a complete idiot!
Hey Tim, Haloperidol called, it missed you today.
It's ironic that Obama's rival McCain was born on unincorporated US territory. His claim was certainly untested, and could have been challenged, but Obama, Clinton, and every other Democrat and Republican rushed to defend his right to be President.
Barry Goldwater was the same, he was born near Phoenix in 1909 before statehood. Nobody challenged his right to be President.
I could care less about a handful of birthers, except when they include my states congressional delegation. Inhofe needs to act sane, and soon. Perhaps Coburn, who has so far declined comment, should step us and disavow this nonsense.
Quote from: swake on July 31, 2009, 09:03:50 AM
Hey Tim, Haloperidol called, it missed you today.
60% of the GOP needs the meds apparently. What kind of loons are in the GOP anyway? What idiots would belong to such a lunatic group?
Quote from: Know Nothing on July 31, 2009, 09:54:34 AM
60% of the GOP needs the meds apparently. What kind of loons are in the GOP anyway? What idiots would belong to such a lunatic group?
When it comes to this stuff, I couldn't agree with you more.
Quote from: Know Nothing on July 31, 2009, 09:54:34 AM
60% of the GOP needs the meds apparently. What kind of loons are in the GOP anyway? What idiots would belong to such a lunatic group?
The ones not looney enough or idotic enough to be Democrats.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019306.php
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-29/the-craziest-senator/?cid=hp:mainpromo5 (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-29/the-craziest-senator/?cid=hp:mainpromo5)
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 31, 2009, 12:37:30 PM
The ones not looney enough or idotic enough to be Democrats.
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Poll on Birthers: Most Southerners, Republicans Question Obama Citizenshiphttp://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2009/07/31/poll-on-birthers-most-southerners-republicans-question-obama-citizenship.html
Only 47 percent of Southern respondents believe Obama was born in the USA. By contrast, 93 percent of Northeasterns said yes, he was born here, 90 percent of Midwesterners did and 87 percent of Westerners.
Wow.
And while 93 percent of Democrats say he was born in the country and 83 percent of Independents, the figure is only 42 percent for Republicans
. A majority of Republicans either believe he was born abroad (28 percent) or don't know (30 percent).Typical of a Republican party more interested in conservative dogma and blind partisanship over TRUTH.
Here's an oldie but goodie......
Posted 9/6/2003 8:10 AMPoll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 linkhttp://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm
WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country.
Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. A majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents believe it's likely Saddam was involved.
Ruf,
I'll accept President Obama was born in Hawaii. Curious how many Democrats believe he might have been born outside the U.S. but really don't give a crap.
That be some mighty strong Kool-Aid if it's only Republicans who are buying into this nonsense. Can you say: "trashcan punch"?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d2/EverclearHiRes.jpg/300px-EverclearHiRes.jpg)
Quote from: USRufnex on July 31, 2009, 06:34:32 PM
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My comment was intended to be more encompassing than just the issue of where Obama was born.
I personally believe he really was born in HI. If there were proof that he was born somewhere else it would have surfaced by now.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 31, 2009, 08:21:56 PM
That be some mighty strong Kool-Aid if it's only Republicans who are buying into this nonsense.
It's called the GOP shrinking in numbers, therefore it inflates the percentage of the numbskulls and nutjobs.
All I know is that whoever supports these crazy birther theories has a big credibility problem. I'm lookin' at you, Chris Medlock.
I think what we can all agree on is that there are lunatics at the fringes of both parties.
"shun the nonbeliever! shuuuuun!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGYh8AacgY&feature=channel
"if we don't get the amulet to the banana king, the vortex will open up and let out a thousand years of darkness.... uuuuoooohhhh, daaaaarknessss"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFCSXr6qnv4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Quote from: swake on August 01, 2009, 12:18:43 PM
I think what we can all agree on is that there are lunatics at the fringes of both parties.
I think you are wrong about that. The 'fringes' are not distant little bodies orbiting a stabilizing center, the 'fringes' are the tasty center of the Parties and form the idealogical core. They do not exert pressure from the outside, they provide leadership from deep inside.
Quote from: USRufnex on August 01, 2009, 07:02:49 PM
"shun the nonbeliever! shuuuuun!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGYh8AacgY&feature=channel
"if we don't get the amulet to the banana king, the vortex will open up and let out a thousand years of darkness.... uuuuoooohhhh, daaaaarknessss"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFCSXr6qnv4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Where do you find random smile like this? I tried to watch but cartoon unicorns is just a little too weird, even for me.
I think the unicorns are communists, one of them is a pinko commie..... definitely a fringe element..... Communist Unicorn Fans of Rick Astley.... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FXMYsMvs1A
Quote from: USRufnex on August 02, 2009, 10:36:32 AM
I think the unicorns are communists, one of them is a pinko commie..... definitely a fringe element..... Communist Unicorn Fans of Rick Astley.... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FXMYsMvs1A
Pink unicorns? Rick Astley? Sounds more like rainbows and pink triangles, not hammers and sickles ;)
I've been waiting a decade to use this picture on the internets:
(http://www.mcphee.com/pixlarge/11674.jpg)
My life is complete.
Bonus picture: Communist Unicorn spears hard working god-fearing capitalist business man.
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/51/141098807_8767ee45ef.jpg)
More reading on the fabled communist unicorn:
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Soviet_Unicorn
(I swear to God, you can find ANYTHING on the internet)
That is awesome
And so is this:
(http://osmoothie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/25hlhmp.jpg)
Quote from: swake on August 03, 2009, 10:58:33 AM
That is awesome
And so is this:
(http://osmoothie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/25hlhmp.jpg)
Fax it to Dobbs!
Wowsers: (http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/08/david-shuster-tries-to-interview.html)
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Birthernut Orly Taitz is on MSNBC with David Shuster right now. He won't let her b.s. him. Go David!
She's rambling, he's laughing.
David: Orly, ya gotta give me a second here.
Orly: Obama's brown shirts in the media...
David: Name one. You're making references to Nazi Germany to many of us who had relatives...
Tamron Hall: Orly, we've been fair and given you time...
Orly, cutting in... Tamron cuts her off, refusing to be interrupted:
Tamron: Let's not go there.
Orly: All I hear from MSM is dumb insults...
Tamron: Ann Coulter?
Orly: Let me answer!!
Tamron: Karl Rove says it's a forgery. Answer that or we're done.
Orly: YOU will be done.
David: Orly, is it true that MSNBC offered you a car, and you refused because the driver had a Muslim sounding name?
Orly: No, it is not true. Blahblahblahblah....
Tamron: Orly, you're repeating yourself... We've been patient... Thank you Orly... You don't know HOW much patience we've offered you.
David: Wow.
Crooks and Liars has a post about another forged Kenyan birth certificate, this one purportedly from World Net Daily:
http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/world-nut-daily-free-republic-post-fo (http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/world-nut-daily-free-republic-post-fo)
They point out one problem - the Republic of Kenya did not exist until 3 years after President Obama's birthdate. The document could be another hoax.
Quote from: Ed W on August 03, 2009, 06:19:29 PM
Crooks and Liars has a post about another forged Kenyan birth certificate, this one purportedly from World Net Daily:
http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/world-nut-daily-free-republic-post-fo (http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/world-nut-daily-free-republic-post-fo)
They point out one problem - the Republic of Kenya did not exist until 3 years after President Obama's birthdate. The document could be another hoax.
I've seen pictures of Roman coins dated 5 BC.
Quote from: Know Nothing on July 31, 2009, 08:57:07 AM
Is the only reason for parents to establish citizenship for their children soley in case they run for President? If the circumstances of birth would cast doubt on that status, would you not do everything to buttress the kids' citizenship status? No of course not that is IMPOSSIBLE. NO ONE could be that smart. NO ONE. EVER. Say, did Barry Sotero ever legally change his name?
I agree that this is going nowhere fast. We should focus on the $27 TRILLION that his regime has given to the international banking criminals. Beers with idiots, what Michelle wears, or where Mr. Sotero was born are all distractions.
Oh, lookee here though: 58% of GOP members think this is an issue ([http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html?showall (http://[http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html?showall)). What kind of tin foil hatters, UFO seeking dolts would belong to a party where soooooo many of its core are mentally ill and off their medication? One would have to be a complete idiot!
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 03, 2009, 07:52:37 PM
I've seen pictures of Roman coins dated 5 BC.
And I could make you a pic of a Roman coin dated 1961 in about five minutes:
There's already two "legitimate" versions of this crap
(http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/obama-kenya-birth-certificate.jpg?w=300&h=258)
(http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mombasa_copy04035.jpg?w=300&h=260)
Take your pick, they're both fakes.
De-bunked in less than a day.
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/third-obama-birth-certificate-appears-in-court/
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 03, 2009, 07:52:37 PM
I've seen pictures of Roman coins dated 5 BC.
I need one of those
Quote from: swake on August 03, 2009, 08:27:00 PM
I need one of those
Chicken Little could probably make one for you. I don't know if he missed the implication of a date of 5 BC or not. I don't have any copies.
Sayyyyy when Barry Soetero visited Pakistan which passport did he use?
I don't get the 5 b.c. thing. If I recall correctly, that is the year after Augustus arranged for Tiberius to succeed him as quasi emperor. But I must be missing the reference.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 04, 2009, 09:31:09 AM
I don't get the 5 b.c. thing. If I recall correctly, that is the year after Augustus arranged for Tiberius to succeed him as quasi emperor. But I must be missing the reference.
How would the Romans know it was "5 BC"?
Quote from: Townsend on August 04, 2009, 09:35:15 AM
How would the Romans know it was "5 BC"?
Ooooohh! My duh. (At least I can admit it).
Quote from: Know Nothing on August 04, 2009, 09:07:50 AM
Sayyyyy when Barry Soetero visited Pakistan which passport did he use?
An American one. Because he's an American, born in America. Go freep at the freeper site, freeper.
Quote from: Chicken Little on August 04, 2009, 09:53:55 AM
An American one. Because he's an American, born in America. Go freep at the freeper site, freeper.
So did Barry register as a foreign student for college? How would you know? Them records are sealed!
Know Nothing:
It's pretty bold for a FAKE American Citizen born in Never Never Land, such as yourself, to point a finger at a REAL American like Obama. In fact, you don't even live in the United States and have never been here. You are not a citizen and have no voting rights. The prospect of MY President being born elsewhere is of no concern to you.
Now prove to me that you are an American and thus have a right to even care what nationality MY president is or take a hike.
/anyone else getting bored with this thread?
The walnut is posting about an April fool's joke.
I'd like to suggest ignoring him.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 04, 2009, 10:33:33 AM
/anyone else getting bored with this thread?
Guido hasn't weighed in, has he? This thread is a real public service, separating conservatives from the "troofer-type", hateful, crazies.
If only Inhofe would do the same.
Quote from: Know Nothing on August 04, 2009, 10:29:41 AM
So did Barry register as a foreign student for college? How would you know? Them records are sealed!
Canadian.
Quote from: Chicken Little on August 04, 2009, 10:53:28 AM
Guido hasn't weighed in, has he? This thread is a real public service, separating conservatives from the "troofer-type", hateful, crazies.
If only Inhofe would do the same.
I've noticed he's been conspicuously quiet ever since FOTD went on his sabbatical.
Hmmm.....makes one wonder.....
Quote from: Townsend on August 04, 2009, 09:35:15 AM
How would the Romans know it was "5 BC"?
Other than historians, does anyone use BCE?
Quote from: Ed W on August 04, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Other than historians, does anyone use BCE?
Canadians do. Isn't that right, Knownothing?
Quote from: Chicken Little on August 04, 2009, 04:29:57 PM
Canadians do. Isn't that right, Knownothing?
I do not know.
Quote from: Ed W on August 04, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Other than historians, does anyone use BCE?
Maybe young people. I went to school before it became politically incorrect to use "BC".
Quote from: swake on August 01, 2009, 12:18:43 PM
I think what we can all agree on is that there are lunatics at the fringes of both parties.
We can....but what about the disruptive unAmerican sabotage and the organizers funded by big Oil, big Pharma, and big Insurance?
Birthers and Brownshirts are related! How a Republican like Inhofe or Coburn or Sullivan can let a day go by without condemnation of this Limbaugh/Beck intimidating hate based on bringing up Hitler goes beyond the pale.
Can't wait to confront Sully with his disease and failure to stand up for the American ideal of civility.
Too bad the colored guy got elected. This bleeding of America from within is a good thing.
It's simple, really.
The long form TYPED Hawaiian birth certificate circa August 1961 shows BHO, Jr. was born in Hawaii. Yet, there is something very embarrassing on that document.
What is it?
Why the reticence in releasing the original TYPED birth certificate.
Think through it....
There's something intensely embarrassing on that Birth Certificate.
What could it be?
Remember, BHO's first autobiography: "Dreams of My Father".
MAYBE, it's really "Fantasy About My Father". A total fabrication.
BHO, Jr. may actually have been sired by family friend, CPUSA Member, and mentor to BHO, Jr.:
Frank Marshall Davis. Check him out on wikipedia.
They look a LOT alike. Hairline, jaw, nose, eyebrows, ears.
Come back to the nose again.
BHO, Jr. has a traditional wide Negro nose. How?
BHO, Sr. has a small, East African Negro nose.
Frank Marshall Davis has a wide, West African Negro Nose.
And, ears that protrude.
Unlike BHO, SR.
Circa 1961, Davis already had a white socialite wife, and a child.
Did he need more trouble with a pregnant, teenage white girl...that he met through fellow Commie Mr. Dunham, Sr., daughter Ann's daddy?
Remember: Circa 1961 before DNA Paternity Testing:
"It's Momma's baby; it's Daddy's, maybe.....".
Just find someone who's willing to say he's the father.
And, needs, a Green Card.
Yes, there's a foreign student she knows in the Russian Language course she's taking at the University.......Russian.....the Mother Tongue of Marxist-Leninism.
That way, they can sing "The Internationale" together in its native tongue, after the Wedding Ceremony.
Let's ask BHO, Jr. to hum a few bars, shall we?
Didn't Putin award B.H.Obama the Order of Lenin during his recent trip to the former U.S.S.R.
Been saving it for YEARS on the off-chance the KGB plot to place one of their fellow-travellers in the White House ACTUALLY succeeded.
Too bad the U.S.S.R. is defunct by the time it happens.
Alas, All's Well That Ends Well................
Quote from: Friendly Bear on August 09, 2009, 12:19:38 AM
It's simple, really.
The long form TYPED Hawaiian birth certificate circa August 1961 shows BHO, Jr. was born in Hawaii. Yet, there is something very embarrassing on that document.
What is it?
Why the reticence in releasing the original TYPED birth certificate.
Think through it....
There's something intensely embarrassing on that Birth Certificate.
What could it be?
Remember, BHO's first autobiography: "Dreams of My Father".
MAYBE, it's really "Fantasy About My Father". A total fabrication.
BHO, Jr. may actually have been sired by family friend, CPUSA Member, and mentor to BHO, Jr.:
Frank Marshall Davis. Check him out on wikipedia.
They look a LOT alike. Hairline, jaw, nose, eyebrows, ears.
Come back to the nose again.
BHO, Jr. has a traditional wide Negro nose. How?
BHO, Sr. has a small, East African Negro nose.
Frank Marshall Davis has a wide, West African Nose. And, ears that protrude. Unlike BHO, Jr.
Circa 1961, Davis already had a white socialite wife, and a child.
Did he need more trouble with a pregnant, teenage white girl...that he met through fellow Commie Mr. Dunham, Sr., daughter Ann's daddy?
Remember: Circa 1961, "It's Momma's baby; it's Daddy's, maybe.....".
Just find someone who's willing to say he's the father.
And, needs, a Green Card. Yes, there's a guy in the Russian Language course she's taking.......Russian.....the Mother Tongue.
That way, they can sing "The Internationale" together in its native tongue, after the Wedding Ceremony.
Let's ask BHO, Jr. to hum a few bars, shall we?
Reactions to Rush Limbaugh's Obama/Hitler comparison
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/07/limbaugh/index.html
"In response to my inquiry this morning, the Anti-Defamation League just emailed me this new Press Release they just issued:
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today called attempts by some opponents of health care reform to bring Nazi imagery into the debate,
"outrageous, deeply offensive and inappropriate" and condemned remarks by talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, who compared President Obama's health care logo to a swastika, and policies championed by the Democratic Party to those of the Nazis.
"Regardless of the political differences and the substantive differences in the debate over health care, the use of
Nazi symbolism is outrageous, offensive and inappropriate," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor. . . .
In recent days, street protests against President Obama's health care plan have gotten ugly, with some protestors appearing in photographs wearing swastika and SS symbols.
That prompted Rush Limbaugh to remark on his radio program that, "They accuse us of being Nazis, and Obama's got a healthcare logo that's right out of Adolf Hitler's playbook." He went on to compare certain Democratic Party policies to those of the Nazis.
It's really amazing -- though not at all surprising -- that when an anonymous Internet user compares Bush to Hitler, the media goes into Full Hysteria Alert, but when the most influential conservative figure in the country does the same thing, they utter barely a peep of recognition. We'll see if that changes as America's leading Jewish groups -- and even some principled conservatives -- issue rather harsh condemnations of Limbaugh's comments."
AND....
"I just got off the phone with Rabbi Marvin Hier, Dean and Founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. He made clear that he has some "serious objections" to some of Obama's policies -- "especially in the foreign policy context" (read: Israel) -- but was nonetheless scathing in his condemnation of Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh's comments are "shameful," "beyond the pale," and
"unworthy of Americans." He said that to compare Obama's health care package to Nazi programs, or to compare Obama to Hitler,
is to "demean ourselves"; that efforts to compare Obama's health care logo to Nazi logos are "preposterous" and "offensive"; and that Limbaugh's monologue in particular was "really disgraceful" and "shameful."
AND...
Quote from: Friendly Bear on August 09, 2009, 12:19:38 AM
It's simple, really.
The long form TYPED Hawaiian birth certificate circa August 1961 shows BHO, Jr. was born in Hawaii. Yet, there is something very embarrassing on that document.
What is it?
Why the reticence in releasing the original TYPED birth certificate.
Think through it....
There's something intensely embarrassing on that Birth Certificate.
What could it be?
Remember, BHO's first autobiography: "Dreams of My Father".
MAYBE, it's really "Fantasy About My Father". A total fabrication.
BHO, Jr. may actually have been sired by family friend, CPUSA Member, and mentor to BHO, Jr.:
Frank Marshall Davis. Check him out on wikipedia.
They look a LOT alike. Hairline, jaw, nose, eyebrows, ears.
Come back to the nose again.
BHO, Jr. has a traditional wide Negro nose. How?
BHO, Sr. has a small, East African Negro nose.
Frank Marshall Davis has a wide, West African Nose. And, ears that protrude. Unlike BHO, Jr.
Circa 1961, Davis already had a white socialite wife, and a child.
Did he need more trouble with a pregnant, teenage white girl...that he met through fellow Commie Mr. Dunham, Sr., daughter Ann's daddy?
Remember: Circa 1961, "It's Momma's baby; it's Daddy's, maybe.....".
Just find someone who's willing to say he's the father.
And, needs, a Green Card. Yes, there's a guy in the Russian Language course she's taking.......Russian.....the Mother Tongue.
That way, they can sing "The Internationale" together in its native tongue, after the Wedding Ceremony.
Let's ask BHO, Jr. to hum a few bars, shall we?
We don't need a eugenics lesson from you who, time and again, has proven himself to be an intolerant bigot. You've been warned repeatedly about this. You don't seem to know when you've stepped beyond the pale, and therefore it's simply better if you keep your yap shut about anything remotely related to race and heritage, as evidenced by your "nose" discussion.
Obama doesn't look like this poet you named. He looks like his grandad, Stanley Dunham:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Stanley_Dunham.jpg)
On the wide world of internets, there's probably a place for your creepy race-talk, but it's not here.
The chin of both (Ms.) Stanley Ann and (Mr.) Stanley Dunham appear to have been imparted onto BHO, Jr.
Check the NOSE.
The Nose KNOWS.........BHO, Jr. doesn't appear to have BHO, Sr.'s nose.
Somehow, he got Frank Marshall Davis' nose. And his ears. And, his eyebrows. And his mouth. And, his HEIGHT.
BHO, Sr. was short......
This isn't about "birther" nonsense.
It's about the perpetration of a FRAUD called "Dreams of My Father".
By the time he and Bill Ayers wrote his FIRST autobiography "Dreams of My Father", BHO, Jr. KNEW from Mommy and Grandma what the real truth about his Father was.
However, maintaining the fiction that BHO, Sr. was his birth father helped create "The Legend".
BHO, Sr. ain't the biological Daddy. It's Frank the Poet. His "Father" figure throughout his Hawaiian life circa ages 10-19.......
In 1968, Frank perenially hard up for funds, wrote a semi-autobiographical porn book under the name of Bob Green......
Google on Frank Marshall Davis and Bob Green for an eye-opener regarding Ms. Dunham. The immortal "Ann" in Davis' book.......... a la Menage a Trois....
Man, that's gonna hurt.
Suggest you take a pain pill B4 Googling....
You go FB.....we want to see what sh!t attracts here.
Here's some pics Inhofe, Coburn, and Sullivan failed to object to and FOTD is certain you don't.
The less these people say about it, the worse it gets.
But you have at it. We like shining the light on you vampires.
Quote from: Friendly Bear on August 09, 2009, 08:58:46 PM
BHO, Jr. doesn't appear to have BHO, Sr.'s nose.
I believe Obama Sr. is his dad because Obama Jr. said so. But who knows, maybe his 18 year old mom was totally hot for some 60 yr old poet. Stuff like that happens. Sometimes. But I'm thinking it's far more likely you are a bigot with a conspiracy theory.
To be honest with you, I really don't give a sh*t. He was raised by his mom and grandparents.
What I really care about is your racist anthropometry. You are trying to figure out who the President's dad is by "matching up" noses? And what's your preoccupation with his lineage? He's man, not a racehorse. Why would it matter? What exactly can you prove with that, other than your own ignorance and bigotry?
I don't have my dad's nose either, FB. Bam. Your thesis is now completely blown out of the water.
Odds are, you don't have your dad's nose, and that poet's kids' don't have his nose either. Please shut up about the noses, it's disgusting and you don't even realize it.
So, I'm telling you.
Quote from: Chicken Little on August 09, 2009, 10:46:08 PM
To be honest with you, I really don't give a sh*t. He was raised by his mom and grandparents.
Got you beat, I don't give two sh*ts. ;)
I guess this is the state of partisan politics these days. Bush stole the election and rigged SCOTUS to make it happen.
Obama wins in a landslide and he's not an American citizen.
There's serious problems with this country and people would rather obfuscate and distract with bull hockey like this.
The POINT, Chikin Lickin, is that BHObama, Jr. is a total FRAUD.
"Dreams of My Father" was Science Fiction, written by Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers.
Hence, the Embargo on his original TYPED Hawaiian birth certificate.
It's not that The One wasn't born in Hawaii.
He was.
It's WHAT'S on the original Birth Certificate.
It will show a sample of the serial lies that surrounds BHO, Jr.
That, along with the OTHER LIES like the embargo on his College Transcripts, where he majored in Marxist-Leninism at Columbia, and was an Affirmative Action Baby at Harvard, will sink the Titanic.
And, BHO, Jr.......
ABANDON SHIP, Comrades!
Quote from: Friendly Bear on August 09, 2009, 10:54:33 PM
Obama, Jr. is a total FRAUD.
And you know this because of the shape of his nose. Idiot.
Quote from: Friendly Bear on August 09, 2009, 10:54:33 PM
The POINT, Chikin Lickin, is that BHObama, Jr. is a total FRAUD.
"Dreams of My Father" was Science Fiction, written by Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers.
Hence, the Embargo on his original TYPED Hawaiian birth certificate.
It's not that The One wasn't born in Hawaii.
He was.
It's WHAT'S on the original Birth Certificate.
It will show a sample of the serial lies that surrounds BHO, Jr.
That, along with the OTHER LIES like the embargo on his College Transcripts, where he majored in Marxist-Leninism at Columbia, and was an Affirmative Action Baby at Harvard, will sink the Titanic.
And, BHO, Jr.......
ABANDON SHIP, Comrades!
Where do you stand on the supposed conspiracy of Joe Kennedy being Bill Clinton's real Dad? What's with all these recent Presidents and their convoluted families and name changing (Ford, Clinton, Obama)?
It's Momma's Baby, it's Daddy's MAYBE.
1961, a white woman being knocked up by a black man isn't exactly a joyous occasion for the family.
Think , if you can, through it. It's 1961.
PRE Civil Rights era circa Lyin' Lyndon Johnson and the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
President Obamba didn't pick his parents.
But he did make up a passel of lies about "Dreams of My Father".
Pure Science Fiction.
Courtesy of his close buddy Bill Ayers. English Professor, right?
Quote from: Conan71 on August 09, 2009, 10:54:09 PM
Got you beat, I don't give two sh*ts. ;)
I guess this is the state of partisan politics these days. Bush stole the election and rigged SCOTUS to make it happen.
Obama wins in a landslide and he's not an American citizen.
There's serious problems with this country and people would rather obfuscate and distract with bull hockey like this.
Now we're talkin!
Quote from: Friendly Bear on August 09, 2009, 11:03:58 PM
1961, a white woman being knocked up by a black man isn't exactly a joyous occasion for the family.
So, they cover it up by naming him Barrack Hussein Obama? Idiot.
Quote from: Chicken Little on August 09, 2009, 11:10:55 PM
So, they cover it up by naming him Barrack Hussein Obama? Idiot.
Ms. Dunham was already pregnant with somebody's baby when she married Mr. Obama, Sr.
Maybe Mr. Obama, Sr. thought it was HIS baby. If Mr. Frank Marshall Davis was the actual father, he could not legally marry Ms. Dunham as he was already married.
Under the ages-old Common Law, any baby born to a married woman is PRESUMED to be her husband's baby.
The expectant mother and Obama, Sr. were taking a Russian Language class together at the University of Hawaii (so they could sing the Internationale together in its native tongue?)
The point of concealing the original long-form TYPED 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate is that it most probably holds some information that Obama, Jr. finds very, very embarrassing.
Hence, it's been embargoed. Along with his college transcripts. His college grades. His college thesis. How he paid for college (s).
And as a point of reference, it was NOT the birthers that started the Obama birth certificate issue.
It was a Mr. Philip Berg, a Philadephia Attorney, registered Democrat, and ardent HILLARY Supporter that started the legal proceedings regarding the Obama birth certificate.
The current Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth is a modern day document generated from a limited database. Certain data fields were keyed into the database from the original birth certificates when Hawaii chose to automate its birth records.
Other information, like attending physician and hospital, were NOT input into the database.
The state database did NOT exist in 1961. The state, like other states, was simply using TYPED FORMS in 1961.
Prior to typed forms, attending physicians (or their nurses) merely filled out the birth records in handwriting, which were then registered with the state, and a certified copy made and mailed to the parent (s).
lol.
So he is a natural born US citizen. But there is something else that makes this a conspiracy. Not sure what makes it a conspiracy. But oh yeah. It's there.
So much so that they went back in time to plant cover stories of birth announcements in 1961 and covered up his lineage by naming him Barrack and having him take his fathers last name. Those clever, clever girls.
Seriously though, can you summarize what you are arguing for at this point? As best I can tell you have acquiesced on the citizen question but now think there must be something else out there.
The case is cracked by
World Nut Daily (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106258)!
QuoteEvidence challenges claim over Obama's birth address
Apparently the house at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway belonged to a UH college professor! OMG...this evidence "strongly suggests" that the Obamas did not live there. It's apparently extremely implausible (to WND) that this professor might have decided to rent a room, or perhaps his 435 sq ft back yard guest house, to a pregnant college student.
Sr. rented an apartment at a separate address, which also proves that he cannot be the birth father...because, you see, they slept in separate places and...uh...that would have confused the stork...er something.
Good grief.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 10, 2009, 10:58:02 AM
lol.
So he is a natural born US citizen. But there is something else that makes this a conspiracy. Not sure what makes it a conspiracy. But oh yeah. It's there.
So much so that they went back in time to plant cover stories of birth announcements in 1961 and covered up his lineage by naming him Barrack and having him take his fathers last name. Those clever, clever girls.
Seriously though, can you summarize what you are arguing for at this point? As best I can tell you have acquiesced on the citizen question but now think there must be something else out there.
I thought I hit the Reply button a few minutes, but here goes again.
I for one believe that BHO, Jr. was born in Hawaii in 1961.
The reason for the embargo on the more detailed, TYPED original birth certificate is, I suspect, it contains some very embarrassing information.
For the same reason that BHO, Jr.'s college transacripts are embargoed.
At least his Occidental, and possibly his Columbia transcripts MAY show his name as Barry Soetero. He apparently went by this name through high school.
The transcripts may have other information about his birthplace, nationality, etc. They often contain basic birth information like date of birth, nationality, and place of residence. He MAY have been a Indonesian student at least at Occidental.
Each university is just different in their transcript formats.
ALL of the foregoing is still okay by me.
But, he apparently finds it embarrassing since this information is embargoed.
If that is what the school records show, it still doesn't really show anything of merit. I have friends that were foreign born and use "Americanized" names to varying degrees. Some use them daily and have drivers licenses in those names, but on official documents use their native (usually cooler) names. Also, while some are citizens because they spend a significant amount of time overseas they are often cited as being "from XYZ" for some purposes (generally to show they are able to represent another culture).
But thank you for your explanation and props on the usage of the word embargo.
Quote from: Friendly Bear on August 10, 2009, 12:02:43 PM
I thought I hit the Reply button a few minutes, but here goes again.
I for one believe that BHO, Jr. was born in Hawaii in 1961.
The reason for the embargo on the more detailed, TYPED original birth certificate is, I suspect, it contains some very embarrassing information.
For the same reason that BHO, Jr.'s college transacripts are embargoed.
At least his Occidental, and possibly his Columbia transcripts MAY show his name as Barry Soetero. He apparently went by this name through high school.
The transcripts may have other information about his birthplace, nationality, etc. They often contain basic birth information like date of birth, nationality, and place of residence. He MAY have been a Indonesian student at least at Occidental.
Each university is just different in their transcript formats.
ALL of the foregoing is still okay by me.
But, he apparently finds it embarrassing since this information is embargoed.
Gerald Ford was born Leslie King. He was raised in part by his maternal grandparents and his birth father's dad paid his child support.
Oh my, what a scandal!
How about William Jefferson Clinton, nee: Blythe. Father killed in a car wreck prior to his birth. Was his father dispatched just like all of Clinton's adversaries supposedly were later in life?
Good tinfoil hat stuff for you FB. I thought you were some sort of nuclear engineer, you ought to be smarter than to fall for this birther crap.
This thread ceased being productive long ago.
Move along, nothing to see here.