Curious if anyone has the inside scoop, if there is any as to why we can't watch the replay. Is it too protect Dewey Bartlett and his actions on the TAIT board?
I know they approved the purchase of useless land on 46th street north (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=45&articleid=20090710_45_E1_Amilli295858) that a previous TAIT Board did not approve of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKTL3Rpg0qs) (TW story here (http://www.airportbusiness.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=4800&pageNum=4)). This land was also listed on Mayor Lafortunes substandard housing list.
Anyone got anything here?
chirp chirp
I am watching the replay on the meeting on TGOV right now.
Well, obviously they needed time to scrub it up. :P
Was it Freud who said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 26, 2009, 10:12:26 AM
I am watching the replay on the meeting on TGOV right now.
I watched it the 25th(1st airing), the meeting was held on the 9th. Why the delay when most of TGOV is filled with reruns and junk? Before Mayor Taylors late arrivals, the meetings where aired live.
Another question on why did the airport buy this land. According to this MAP (http://www.captc.org/pubpol/LIHEAP/substandard_housing_17x22.pdf) of the substandard housing in Tulsa , the land the airport bought is marked as unsound(red area NE of airport) . Unsound would probably be unable to develope wouldn't, yet Jeff and other think they can use it for developement. Oddly none of the other land near it, the airport does not own, is classified as unsound.
All discussions on this land have been behind closed doors. Would Dewey like to begin his transparency in Gov't here?
Quote from: waterboy on July 26, 2009, 11:30:33 AM
Well, obviously they needed time to scrub it up. :P
Was it Freud who said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"?
Dunno about that, but I have heard that Elizabeth Taylor would wake up and say:
"Yawwwwn...I feel like a new man today..."
Thank you folks, I'll be playing here all week.
Quote from: MDepr2007 on July 31, 2009, 08:10:49 PM
Another question on why did the airport buy this land. According to this MAP (http://www.captc.org/pubpol/LIHEAP/substandard_housing_17x22.pdf) of the substandard housing in Tulsa , the land the airport bought is marked as unsound(red area NE of airport) . Unsound would probably be unable to develope wouldn't, yet Jeff and other think they can use it for developement. Oddly none of the other land near it, the airport does not own, is classified as unsound.
All discussions on this land have been behind closed doors. Would Dewey like to begin his transparency in Gov't here?
What the does a map of the current condition of the housing in a given area have to do with it's development potential? Once you scrape the buildings they no longer exist and have no impact on the development potential of the land.
what is it you are upset about from the meeting?
It is all a conspiracy.
The meetings never really happened, the land contains bones from aliens, and the Mayor and Bartlett are connected with a local banker in an unholy trilateral commission.
TGOV stands for The Gang Of Vermin.
TAA attempted to purchase this same land a couple of years ago, ostensibly for the infamous "third" runway, which barely made beginning of planning criteria in 1990, and the stats have done nothing but fall since.
IMO, this is more about taking the load off this man's bad investment decision and handing him taxpayer money.
http://www.airportbusiness.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=4800 (http://www.airportbusiness.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=4800)
http://meeciteewurkor.wordpress.com/2006/01/03/i-have-some-land/ (http://meeciteewurkor.wordpress.com/2006/01/03/i-have-some-land/)
Quote from: swake on August 01, 2009, 09:37:02 AM
What the does a map of the current condition of the housing in a given area have to do with it's development potential? Once you scrape the buildings they no longer exist and have no impact on the development potential of the land.
what is it you are upset about from the meeting?
There is no houses nor buildings on this land. It's waste land in a flood plain and on the map is listed as unsound. $170,000 is a lot of FAA grant money (taxes) to pay for 70 acres of land that was worthless to the owner and now worthless to Tulsa. Also some could say a loss in property taxes or does the airport pay the same taxes?
Why your obsession with this land purchase? Is it your secret hideout or where you are growing your "special mushrooms"?
From the Tulsa World...Airports Director Jeff Mulder said the 70-acre parcel is in the Mingo Creek flood plain. It was considered for purchase by a previous board as part of a third runway construction project nearly 20 years ago.
"Regardless of its use for a runway, which is way in the future, it is a parcel we wanted to own to develop for warehousing or manufacturing to support American Airlines, Lufthansa (Technik) or anything that would make sense there — offices, retail, something to support tenants and develop lease revenue for us," Mulder said.
TAA got a grant to buy the land, it was very cheap (less than $3,000 an acre), and it may be used in the future for a variety of options. It appears to be a wise purchase.
They said Walt Disney was nuts for buying some Florida swamp land. Look how that worked out. Probably not a bad investment for TAA.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 02, 2009, 10:12:47 AM
They said Walt Disney was nuts for buying some Florida swamp land. Look how that worked out. Probably not a bad investment for TAA.
I doubt there is much land anywhere inside the city you could get for $2500 an acre. Next to the airport that has to be a complete steal.
Good buy.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 02, 2009, 09:15:58 AM
Why your obsession with this land purchase? Is it your secret hideout or where you are growing your "special mushrooms"?
From the Tulsa World...Airports Director Jeff Mulder said the 70-acre parcel is in the Mingo Creek flood plain. It was considered for purchase by a previous board as part of a third runway construction project nearly 20 years ago.
"Regardless of its use for a runway, which is way in the future, it is a parcel we wanted to own to develop for warehousing or manufacturing to support American Airlines, Lufthansa (Technik) or anything that would make sense there — offices, retail, something to support tenants and develop lease revenue for us," Mulder said.
TAA got a grant to buy the land, it was very cheap (less than $3,000 an acre), and it may be used in the future for a variety of options. It appears to be a wise purchase.
No obsession just curious as to why the closed door meetings about the land. Whats so secretative about it that can't be discussed in an open forum?
They've done so good at getting anything just across the street (Mingo) built it might be another 100 years for that land if it's even possible.
Why such a defensive stance from you and swake about this?
Quote from: swake on August 02, 2009, 10:19:11 AM
I doubt there is much land anywhere inside the city you could get for $2500 an acre. Next to the airport that has to be a complete steal.
Good buy.
Next to the airport?
Quote from: MDepr2007 on August 02, 2009, 11:32:46 AM
Next to the airport?
Everybody thought Maytag was nuts for putting a repair store out in the middle of nowhere....between Garnett and Mingo on 71st Street.
Quote from: Hoss on August 02, 2009, 11:42:26 AM
Everybody thought Maytag was nuts for putting a repair store out in the middle of nowhere....between Garnett and Mingo on 71st Street.
Apples & Oranges
Quote from: MDepr2007 on August 02, 2009, 11:32:46 AM
Next to the airport?
Next to the airport
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=45&articleid=20090710_45_E1_Amilli295858
Trustees accepted the second, $280,000 FAA grant and approved a $170,000 purchase agreement with the Milton O. Carlin Trust. The agreement covers the acquisition of 70.78 acres on the south side of 46th Street North between Mingo Road and Garnett Road at the northeast corner of Tulsa International.
I think the real question is what grudge do YOU have against the airport? It's your thread.
Quote from: MDepr2007 on August 02, 2009, 11:57:49 AM
Apples & Oranges
How? That Maytag store was out in the middle of nowhere 25 years ago. Did anyone see that are developing as it has?
Can you see into the future for this same area?
Quote from: swake on August 02, 2009, 12:45:58 PM
Next to the airport
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=45&articleid=20090710_45_E1_Amilli295858
Trustees accepted the second, $280,000 FAA grant and approved a $170,000 purchase agreement with the Milton O. Carlin Trust. The agreement covers the acquisition of 70.78 acres on the south side of 46th Street North between Mingo Road and Garnett Road at the northeast corner of Tulsa International.
I think the real question is what grudge do YOU have against the airport? It's your thread.
It's almost 2 miles from the main runway and almost a mile from A/A . Granted yes it is next to (empty) airport land.
Grudge? Just looking for answers and getting people being defensive. If you don't have anything go away and just ignore this thread.
Quote from: Hoss on August 02, 2009, 01:14:19 PM
How? That Maytag store was out in the middle of nowhere 25 years ago. Did anyone see that are developing as it has?
Can you see into the future for this same area?
You're right, buying a wooded flood plain lot vs. building an actual store is the exact same thing.... my apologies.
Yes I have invisioned the future a few years ago for that area. Build some office buildings and hotels at 169 & 46th street north and also a direct road off 46th into the airport towards the terminal. Cut off Owasso at the same time. HWY 169 is going to be widened in a few years and this area would make a good business park. The airport has the problem of making anything happen on it's land. Mayor Taylors first TAIT meeting included the hiring of a company that did the business park at Tinker to develope the land across Mingo from A/A. Squabbles led to them going away and nothing has happened since.
The OIG investigation did not clear out the problems with some airport employee's. As long as Jeff Hough and other connections are able to continue , nothing will change. Especially with a puppet TAIT Board.
Quote from: MDepr2007 on August 02, 2009, 05:25:00 PM
It's almost 2 miles from the main runway and almost a mile from A/A . Granted yes it is next to (empty) airport land.
Grudge? Just looking for answers and getting people being defensive. If you don't have anything go away and just ignore it this thread.
How's that defensive? I think you're being more defensive by telling him 'If you don't have anything go away and just ignore it this thread'.
Not that I care whether you have a grudge one way or another, it's just a little befuddling how a TIA trust meeting not being on TGOV immediately is a huge concern to anyone.
And guess what. At one point that little Maytag store was on a wooded lot. Doesn't matter whether or not it was flood plain.
Not so apples and oranges now, huh?
MDepr2007 last week..."It's waste land in a flood plain and on the map is listed as unsound. $170,000 is a lot of FAA grant money (taxes) to pay for 70 acres of land that was worthless to the owner and now worthless to Tulsa."
MDepr2007 today..."Yes I have invisioned the future a few years ago for that area. Build some office buildings and hotels at 169 & 46th street north and also a direct road off 46th into the airport towards the terminal. Cut off Owasso at the same time. HWY 169 is going to be widened in a few years and this area would make a good business park."
The real estate market sure changes quickly...
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 02, 2009, 10:09:27 PM
MDepr2007 last week..."It's waste land in a flood plain and on the map is listed as unsound. $170,000 is a lot of FAA grant money (taxes) to pay for 70 acres of land that was worthless to the owner and now worthless to Tulsa."
MDepr2007 today..."Yes I have invisioned the future a few years ago for that area. Build some office buildings and hotels at 169 & 46th street north and also a direct road off 46th into the airport towards the terminal. Cut off Owasso at the same time. HWY 169 is going to be widened in a few years and this area would make a good business park."
The real estate market sure changes quickly...
There is 3 other intersection corners , not all have part of Mingo Creek running through it... nice try though ;)
Now if I can find the BOA ruling about an area out there a few years ago...
Quote from: Hoss on August 02, 2009, 05:39:16 PM
How's that defensive? I think you're being more defensive by telling him 'If you don't have anything go away and just ignore it this thread'.
Not that I care whether you have a grudge one way or another, it's just a little befuddling how a TIA trust meeting not being on TGOV immediately is a huge concern to anyone.
And guess what. At one point that little Maytag store was on a wooded lot. Doesn't matter whether or not it was flood plain.
Not so apples and oranges now, huh?
Maytag store on wooded lot vs. wooded lot no store or buildings.... guess not
Quote from: MDepr2007 on August 02, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
Maytag store on wooded lot vs. wooded lot no store or buildings.... guess not
My point was that it WAS a wooded lot WAY before the Maytag was there. Something had to start it, huh?
::)
Well the idea of a nice business park with hotels is nice. If you are going to cut off Owasso though, you will have to include retail. It is guaranteed that many employees at the business park will live in Owasso, therefore shop in Owasso. That would make Owasso more prosperous. The hotels would have the potential to take revenue from Owasso.
Along the same strategy as missing or late TAIT Board broadcasts on TGOV, I am suspect as to why the AUDIO of the meetings is suddenly terrible.
I have to crank the audio ++++++ to the max to be able to hear anything.
But, this is just during TAIT meetings.