I have heard people saying they are going to refuse to cooperate with the Census because they feel that the government and "ACORN" is going to use the information against them somehow
http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4265&posts=3
It's hard to believe that people buy into this stuff, the sad thing is that this article will probably make its way into the Saplupa Herald or the Glenpool Post sometime soon
Re-file this under Tinfoil Hat Special...it fits
I recently got a census, brought it up to work and subsequently lost it. Is there a fine for that?
Yes. Refusal to fill out the census form is a punishable offense. One that I too committed (didn't lose it, could probably find it. Started filling it out, got bored, set it aside, now kinda sorta lost).
However, I actually wrote a legal memo on this issue. A client didn't want to fill it out and wondered if he could actually get the punishment accorded in the notice. It was sent to the brilliant young legal mind in the basement.
The answer is yes, BUT, the agency has never actually levied the punishment. So rest easy.
However, the info is used for statistical analysis, not individual data. It has the potential to help in serious ways. Though, the fears of data leaks are certainly legit.
I lived in New Mexico in 2000 and they started advertising about the census a year or so in advance. The Native American groups in the area felt like they were undercounted in 1990 and funding they received was based in part on their population. It's funny how in that article it talks about the census hiring workers and doing their job eventhough it's not 2010 yet, the whole process takes 2-3 years and it has been done like that no matter who the president has been.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on June 24, 2009, 02:41:04 PM
Yes. Refusal to fill out the census form is a punishable offense. One that I too committed (didn't lose it, could probably find it. Started filling it out, got bored, set it aside, now kinda sorta lost).
However, I actually wrote a legal memo on this issue. A client didn't want to fill it out and wondered if he could actually get the punishment accorded in the notice. It was sent to the brilliant young legal mind in the basement.
The answer is yes, BUT, the agency has never actually levied the punishment. So rest easy.
However, the info is used for statistical analysis, not individual data. It has the potential to help in serious ways. Though, the fears of data leaks are certainly legit.
I heard that this year you won't have to fill out a census form. ACORN is going to fill one out for you.
Quote from: Gaspar on June 24, 2009, 03:37:22 PM
I heard that this year you won't have to fill out a census form. ACORN is going to fill one out for you.
In Soviet Russia, census form fills out you!
So, CF, what's the truth on how much of the census form must be filled out? Other than Michelle Bachman, I've been hearing elsewhere that all that was originally provided for in the Constitution was the number of people in the home (and that's all that you should be required to respond to), yet the census bureau is claiming that's a misinterpretation of the law.
i guess the author of this article doesn't care that the census announced this plan to get coords. of every residence in the US, in 2006 or so.
;D
But I guess Obama & ACORN had something to do with it, then.
That article is terrific satire.
Conan:
According to the Federal Government you have to fill out the entire census form sent to you or you MAY be punished. But when I researched it I was unable to find an instance in which anyone was punished and the agency admitted that they were not aware of one either. But the official stance is you are required by law to provide the information.
Also, the constitution mandates what the government can and can not do. It doesn't dictate what citizens must do. Thus, it does not dictate that you cooperate with the census. It merely states that "the actual Enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent term of ten years, in such manner as they shall by law direct."
Then the law dictates that you must comply. But the Constitution doesn't. It grants rights to citizens and power to government, it doesn't dictate behavior of citizens. At least, in theory.
Quote from: Gaspar on June 24, 2009, 03:37:22 PM
I heard that this year you won't have to fill out a census form. ACORN is going to fill one out for you.
This is the problem most folks will have.... ACORN's involvement. They are being criminally charged in several states for voter fraud, so, please, let them help with the census.
Who should be wearing the tin foil?
Well sure as crap I live in Sapulpa and picked up todays Herald and sure enough there was an editorial "ACORN and the Census" or something like that, it was from a right-wing website, that paper never has an original thought, they just take stuff they read on the web and rehash it for the Opinion pages or even try to pass it off as "news". My wife said her dad refused to answer questions on the Census one year because he didn't feel that they should know what time he got home and also that his wife didn't work. That was in 1990.
Census, what a wonderful political football.
Used to be necessary to count people, back before linked databases.
Now it is just a government sponsored market research program and the most expensive market research in existence.
It costs between $16 to $25 to count each person.
There's really nothing else I can say.
Yeah, don't respond. Then we can be undercounted and receive even less of our taxes back. Maybe even lose some representation! Good plan. That'll show 'em.
Interesting symbols. Acorn. Nuts. Oklahoma.
If ANYONE comes knocking at the door with even a patina of State power, the serf should immediately submit and do exactly what the State's tool tells that serf to do. The serf should not question, hesitate, complain, or obstruct the tool's mission. If that means quartering troops, submitting to searches, answering any and all questions, or just forking over whatever property that tool demands, the serf should OBEY orders and SHUT UP.
I enjoyed the author's inherent distrust of GPS.
No imagination is required to think up a whole laundry list of evil that could be done with a nationwide GPS grid of coordinate's markers painted on every private home across the country.
You know for someone posting on the internet, he doesn't spend much time using it. Shh.. no-one tell him about google maps, zillow, bing, or.. well... any other site on the internet.
How it ties into swine flu I'm not sure of either.
Yeah, I have a giant government mark on my roof. I just checked. They are called shingles. Thats how they can tell its a house. Only people with sod roofs are safe.
The census is being done with PDA's that geotag every entry. Helps validate addresses, makes followup easier, and helps those with no real physical address.
Geotagging as it's called is very common practice these days. Here are some photos I've taken when looked at by location view:
Quote from: Gaspar on June 25, 2009, 07:50:21 AM
Census, what a wonderful political football.
Used to be necessary to count people, back before linked databases.
Now it is just a government sponsored market research program and the most expensive market research in existence.
It costs between $16 to $25 to count each person.
There's really nothing else I can say.
You forgot
constitutionally required.
Wow...sure glad I don't spend much time on this site anymore....geeesus. Good Luck. What are you down to...maybe 5-10 regulars.
Quote from: cks511 on June 25, 2009, 06:06:59 PM
Wow...sure glad I don't spend much time on this site anymore....geeesus. Good Luck. What are you down to...maybe 5-10 regulars.
It's become a national politics news aggregator, with FOTD and Guido cluttering up the site with links and copy-paste articles of national news stories. Personally, I think the TulsaNow forum is worse off with the National & International Politics section.
Quote from: TURobY on June 25, 2009, 06:23:41 PM
It's become a national politics news aggregator, with FOTD and Guido cluttering up the site with links and copy-paste articles of national news stories. Personally, I think the TulsaNow forum is worse off with the National & International Politics section.
I generally just don't come to this area.
Quote from: cks511 on June 25, 2009, 06:06:59 PM
Wow...sure glad I don't spend much time on this site anymore....geeesus. Good Luck. What are you down to...maybe 5-10 regulars.
lol. You stuck you head in the International Politics section and were mad because it was obnoxious. That's like golfing and being mad that the grass isn't mowed short in the rough.
If you are sane, you'll avoid this area.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on June 26, 2009, 08:52:04 AM
lol. You stuck you head in the International Politics section and were mad because it was obnoxious. That's like golfing and being mad that the grass isn't mowed short in the rough.
If you are sane, you'll avoid this area.
Probably something like 90% of news on radio, tv, and the web is all about national and international affairs. Sane to avoid the topic? Madness to ignore it! However, I think for TN it is more of a good move than un-good move to make this less prominent on this site. Let us focus on local corruption and manipulation and destroying the GOB network right here in T-town.
Nathanm wants to defend the census' cost here and complain about the cost of VOLUNTARY services like texting elsewhere: LOL is right!
IMHO the census and the GPS is not going to be used to specifically target individuals for elimination by death-squad robots or youth brigades. Not saying our corrupt, tyrannical, and overbearing government could NOT use it, just not yet.
Quote from: cks511 on June 25, 2009, 06:06:59 PM
Wow...sure glad I don't spend much time on this site anymore....geeesus. Good Luck. What are you down to...maybe 5-10 regulars.
And those of you who want to scapegoat G-dawg or FOTD or myself need to get a clue. Check out the deception and shadow boxing and outright filthy tactics taken against people who present any kind of challenge to the 'insiders.'
CK all I can say is resist the devil and HE will flee - YOU do not run from him. Come back more often and do not let the bullies shout you down. Get your friends to join and back you up. The troof is always worth fighting for, and so are your opinions.