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Title: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: RecycleMichael on June 04, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
KTUL says she won't run for re-election.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 04, 2009, 03:26:41 PM
I'm disappointed.  She's been incredibly effective as mayor.  I don't agree with everything she's done as mayor, but I do believe in many ways Tulsa is a much better city due to her influence.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: RecycleMichael on June 04, 2009, 03:27:44 PM
I agree. I have worked for forty Mayors in twelve towns...she was the best of all of them.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: jne on June 04, 2009, 03:28:50 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 04, 2009, 03:26:41 PM
I'm disappointed.  She's been incredibly effective as mayor.  I don't agree with everything she's done as mayor, but I do believe in many ways Tulsa is a much better city due to her influence.

+1 
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 04, 2009, 03:30:35 PM
Yeah, but what do I know?  According to FOTD and a few others, I hate women and am threatened by powerful women.  ;)

I was an adamant opponent to her last campaign yet I gladly would have supported her this time around.  I think she could have garnered 65% of the vote.

What's the line now on Martinson running?  I'll vote for whomever is running against him if he does run.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: RecycleMichael on June 04, 2009, 03:31:53 PM
The opponents have sure been tough on her. Bastards.

The hardest thing about public service is the public
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gold on June 04, 2009, 03:32:31 PM
I'm kind of bummed about this, but can't blame her.  A lot of people seem to have it out for her, but a lot of people don't know jack taco.  She doesn't have a perfect record, but she's done well as far as I'm concerned.

The silver lining is that hopefully someone comes along who doesn't polarize people or invite controversy and that can truly bring people together.  The thing is, I'm pretty sure the people kicking up dirt at KT would be doing it no matter who the mayor is.  Tulsa seems to have this group of haters that don't want progress and seem to prefer to be pessimistic.

The candidates listed in the World article mostly scare the crap out of me.  I don't think we'll find anyone better for this job right now.

Any chance people can get her to reconsider?

Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: jne on June 04, 2009, 03:33:06 PM
Without an enemy for any councilor alliance to rail against, there is plenty of opportunity for a wild card here.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Townsend on June 04, 2009, 03:47:20 PM
With everything I've read I can't blame her for not running again.

I'm thick skinned but damn.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: pmcalk on June 04, 2009, 03:52:17 PM
Does it seem a little odd that she would have had so many fundraisers, her kickoff, etc...., only to decide not to run?  I hear she has already raised a lot of money, and I would think she has a very good chance of winning.

My guess--she's running for Sullivan's seat.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: kylieosu on June 04, 2009, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: Townsend on June 04, 2009, 03:47:20 PM
With everything I've read I can't blame her for not running again.

I'm thick skinned but damn.

I totally agree. I also think she's done a great job, but geez....the hatred spewing from the TW commenters is really kind of disturbing honestly.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gold on June 04, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
I generally ignore the TW commenters unless there is some special reason to check it out.

The latest update makes it sound like she is really done with political office; something about being a business person and not a mayor.  That's sort of odd to me.  I think she did a fine job and I voted for the other guy last time around.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: TUalum0982 on June 04, 2009, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 04, 2009, 03:30:35 PM
Yeah, but what do I know?  According to FOTD and a few others, I hate women and am threatened by powerful women.  ;)

I was an adamant opponent to her last campaign yet I gladly would have supported her this time around.  I think she could have garnered 65% of the vote.

What's the line now on Martinson running?  I'll vote for whomever is running against him if he does run.

So I can count on your vote?? What are the chances that a 27yr old with a college degree and operations management experience can beat a Tulsa City Councilor who doesn't know his donkey from his head??   
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Wilbur on June 04, 2009, 04:34:13 PM
The people who lined up against the Mayor was because of how she handled 'business.'  It didn't come down to right and wrong, it became a personal crusade of having to win.  Her 'team' approach was a joke because you didn't dare go against the team.  The team had no input, unless your input was agreeing with her.

While I think she has done some good for the city, and I could list a few items, as a combination citizen/employee, I'm glad to see her go.  I think us citizens will be dealing with some of the problems she created and left behind for some time.

I'm wondering if some of the upcoming council voting that won't go her way played a part.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gaspar on June 04, 2009, 04:44:07 PM
Quote from: pmcalk on June 04, 2009, 03:52:17 PM
Does it seem a little odd that she would have had so many fundraisers, her kickoff, etc...., only to decide not to run?  I hear she has already raised a lot of money, and I would think she has a very good chance of winning.

My guess--she's running for Sullivan's seat.

Perhaps she's seeking higher office? 
I think she leaves on a high note.  She has been very good for Tulsa.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Breadburner on June 04, 2009, 04:51:28 PM
I hope Eagleton runs...
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: swake on June 04, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Breadburner on June 04, 2009, 04:51:28 PM
I hope Eagleton runs...

Why, so we can go back to having morons in charge?
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: OurTulsa on June 04, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
Freak!  While I didn't always agree with the way she ran things around here I believed that her vision for Tulsa was grand and it seemed she got it and was working hard to make Tulsa a more brandable and functional City.

What scares me most about this announcement is who will be running to replace her.  I can't imagine ANY of our current City Councilors filling the void.  I'm hopeful that she has someone tagged to endorse for her replacement.

On another note, I would definitely support her run for Congress!  
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: tim huntzinger on June 04, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
Quote from: swake on June 04, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
Why, so we can go back to having morons in charge?

Oh, are you running?
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 04, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 04, 2009, 03:30:35 PM
Yeah, but what do I know?  According to FOTD and a few others, I hate women and am threatened by powerful women.  ;)

I was an adamant opponent to her last campaign yet I gladly would have supported her this time around.  I think she could have garnered 65% of the vote.

What's the line now on Martinson running?  I'll vote for whomever is running against him if he does run.


Come on. She has been acting rather pissy lately.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Hoss on June 04, 2009, 06:05:27 PM
Quote from: Know Nothing on June 04, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
Oh, are you running?

How 'bout that rapier wit?  You ever considered a career change?

::)
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 04, 2009, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: jne on June 04, 2009, 03:33:06 PM
Without an enemy for any councilor alliance to rail against, there is plenty of opportunity for a wild card here.

Agreed. Was the afternoon announcement linked to tonights council meeting and ballpark?

Higher office? Sully's seat just doesn't seem like her style but the seat would set her up for Inhoffe's departure.

It's a shame her time as mayor is coming to an end. She really did not need this job and her pay is in no way commencer it with the efforts.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: sgrizzle on June 04, 2009, 06:36:12 PM
She could run for Governor...
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 04, 2009, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: sgrizzle on June 04, 2009, 06:36:12 PM
She could run for Governor...

Maybe. But that is a crowded field for governor and if she had trouble with a city council just think what working with that Oklahoma state legislature would be like. The horror.

More likely, she'll be headed to the Florida house home.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Wilbur on June 04, 2009, 08:47:20 PM
The word I'm getting is it's two fold:

1.  As I said a month or so ago, she is still up for an Obama appointment with the US Commerce Dept.
2.  Husband wants to buy the old city hall complex, which would be a conflict of interest if she were still in office.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Chicken Little on June 04, 2009, 09:13:18 PM
Quote from: swake on June 04, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
Why, so we can go back to having morons in charge?
That's morans to you, sir!

(http://24ahead.com/images/get-a-brain-morans.jpg)
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Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: sgrizzle on June 04, 2009, 09:34:17 PM
Viewing the options we have so far for Mayoral candidates, I'm gonna go ahead and say it..

Tay in '10
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: shadows on June 04, 2009, 10:24:32 PM
With the city under the rule of the elitist; the constant practice of the conflict of interest; omnipotent of the family; the circumventing of general obligation bond; the whistle blower in the wings; and the possibility of a upcoming investigation at the federal level by persons who are not obligated to the city; creating debts for the great grand children to payoff; the movement of business to the suburbs who are collecting the needed operational sales taxes; one would not need a smog clearing device to see the sunny skies of another far off homestead.   As the clouds thicken and one hears the rumble of the approaching storm, there could be others that would seek such shelter.  The hole in the ground might be sold to the federal government as a detention pond in our nations proclaimed untested storm water management system that suddenly ends a half mile north of Pine street on the Mingo that drains 64 square miles of the city.  Mayor draws no salary but the assets of the great grand children have increased under the reign. 
Bon voyage alcalde.     
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: MacGyver on June 04, 2009, 11:28:45 PM
Possibly off-topic, but I noticed the City and the Qui-Tam group moved up the hearing to settle the Journal Entry of Judgment - a settlement proposed by the city? - two days ago.

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2115757&db=Tulsa

Has anyone looked in the file to see what's going on?

On topic: I never cared for how she got things done, but she did.  For better or worse.

MG
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gaspar on June 05, 2009, 05:52:26 AM
Quote from: sgrizzle on June 04, 2009, 06:36:12 PM
She could run for Governor...

Cmon Scott, she gave the standard "community commitment" speech last night. I like to call it the "Hillary Loves New York" speech. She will announce that she is running against John Sullivan when the time is right.  I will probably support her for that position.

It's unfortunate that the game of politics requires less than honest tactics in the advancement process, but it is what it is.  She will be a good representative for Oklahoma in that post, and I will vote for her unless a wild-card hits the field that I cannot resist.

It's the perfect storm for her.  Indicators show that the budget crunch will most likely be overcome, city revenue increased by the end of her term, the new ballpark will be complete, and the weak position of Sullivan makes a Taylor run a very winnable scenario.  With his shotty attendance record against her impeccable work ethic and dedication, she would be unwise not to take this opportunity.

I am sure that she is also being pressured to become a Washington voice by the very same supporters, and operatives that she would rely on for a Mayoral campaign.  They have tried, unsuccessfully, to get someone qualified to run against Sullivan for some time now.  I doubt that they would let her, or this opportunity for a massive flood of crossover votes to get away from them.

So get ready to act all shocked n' stuff when she announces that "the people have asked me to continue my passion for service as their representative in Washington."

I think I'd like to see her there.  Good luck Mrs. Mayor. 
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: cks511 on June 05, 2009, 06:56:33 AM
Good riddance...go have fun with bam bam..... ;D
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gold on June 05, 2009, 06:57:07 AM
Quote from: sgrizzle on June 04, 2009, 09:34:17 PM
Viewing the options we have so far for Mayoral candidates, I'm gonna go ahead and say it..

Tay in '10

I see your Tay and raise you one Bikerfox.

(http://www.sargeworld.com/images/bikerfox2.jpg)

His awesome trick will stun the city council into submission . . . for five seconds.  But they'll do whatever he says as long as he doesn't show up to city council meetings and lame it up.

Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Nik on June 05, 2009, 07:17:07 AM
Are the DA elections in November as well?
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 05, 2009, 08:19:46 AM
5 possibilities I see:

1) Screw you guys.  I worked my butt off and get railed constantly.  It's not worth it.

2) Layoffs/furloughs/cuts are coming - I may as well go out while popular

3) Times are tough, unpopular decisions need to be made and I'm going to make them.  May as well make all that need to be made and take one on the chin

4) Running for higher office

5) Screw you guys, I'm going back to Florida.
- - -

I didn't agree with moving city hall.  I thought she moved too fast and strong armed the ballpark.  Not happy about the way Expo was treated either.  But on the whole, she has been a professional public servant.  I haven't seen a better choice waiting to take her place.

Paul Tay will probably get my vote.  He is my defacto vote if I've given up on the system.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 05, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
Here's some observations on Sullivan's seat:

-Just because he checked himself into Betty Ford, it doesn't make him politically vulnerable in our district.  This seat has typically been an "appointment for life", remaining in the incumbent's hands until they are ready to move on or retire.  I really couldn't imagine Mayor Taylor pulling the drunk card on Sully, it's not PC these days.

-Head-strong and bright as Mayor Taylor is, I really don't see her as a rank-and-file member of Congress.  She's not a good sheeple.  I think she'd grow frustrated real quick figuring out there are too many games to play to bring the bacon home for her district.  I'd tend to believe she'd run for Governor over any other potential post.  I could envision her taking a post in the Obama admin. in the interim and using that as some additional ammo in her campaign.  She'd be far better suited for Governor, though she'd face the frustration of opposition of a House and Senate, not just a nine member council.

-If I were as well off, I'd kick it in the Caribbean and wouldn't screw around with politics anymore.  I think she usually had Tulsa's best interest in mind, though I believe she had tunnel vision at times.

-Here are Sullivan's weak points: He's sponsored 30 bills since 2001.  26 have died in committee.  He's missed 7% of the votes in the last 7 years which is higher than the average in Congress, but still lower than the total missed by Senator Obama and Senator McCain, even before either of them was running for President.  He's the perfect rank-and-file party-line Congressman.  Nowhere close to being a MENSA member, he pretty much does as he's told.  FAIK, he only holds one committee post.  He's definitely a lack-luster representative, but again, this seat historically belongs to the incumbent until they are tired of it.

Love her or hate her, Tulsa will look different for her admin.  We needed to do something about City Hall, did we do it 100% correct?  I don't think so, but what were the alternatives and how long were we going to maintain that embarrassment of a City Hall and Civic Plaza right in the middle of the section of downtown we are trying to change the image of?  Progress isn't free.  I far prefer the direction Tulsa is heading than how it would have looked in 20 years without some vision and leadership. 
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gaspar on June 05, 2009, 10:09:53 AM
Conan,

The only reason I strongly suspect it, is that I know a couple of prominent Democrats who were given the full court press over the years to run against Sullivan, by some very strong, very wealthy interests. 

They declined, regardless of the persistence with which they were pursued.  After Sullivan's announcement, you would expect that the courting effort to be renewed with increased vigor.  It was not. 

It vanished! Crickets still.

Days later Mayor Taylor makes this stunning announcement.  I may be wrong, but I am convinced that she will run, and I am not alone. 



Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: DTowner on June 05, 2009, 10:18:23 AM
Seems there are 4 likely possibilities:

1)  She's sick of the crap.  The bickering with the council seems to have intensified in recent months, to the point that a few weeks ago Mayor Taylor walked out of a meeting with several councilors after repeatedly being interrupted.  With the current budget, tough decisions have to be made, and it is probably not nearly as fun a job as it was a year ago.  In February, Mayor Taylor made a quasi announcement for reelection, only now to say she's not running.  Something has changed.

2)  Something big or bad is looming over the horizon, such as scandal or investigation.  Nothing really to support this, but if it is over the horizon, we probably wouldn't know anything about it, yet.  Alternatively, maybe her family's connections to some potential Tulsa development opportunities make it too problematic for her to be mayor in the future.

3)  In line for an appointment in the Obama administration.  She's denied it, but doesn't everyone right up the point they announce it?  Plenty of mid-level and slightly higher appointments (most not requiring Senate confirmation) left to be filled.

4)  Make a run for Cong. Sullivan's seat.  The timing of her change of mind on the mayor's election is suspicious.  Some of Mayor Taylor's biggest Tulsa fans could very well be pushing her to make a run at a potentially vulnerable Sullivan.  Problem is, popularity as mayor may not translate well to a run for Congress – the issues and positions you have to take are very different.  How many times did Inhofe run and lose to Jim Jones?  Besides, Taylor's popularity in Tulsa may not translate well to the surrounding communities that are an important part of the 1st District electorate.  Her abrupt departure from the mayor's race doesn't help her either.

Ultimately, I'm not sure Sullivan's current situation will create much of an opening.  Attacking him for his problem and his seeking help is very high risk with a low return (now that he is in treatment).  Plus, it's not like his past issues with alcohol haven't been brought up in past campaigns and failed to get much traction. Moreover, doing so creates the possibility of reminding everyone about Taylor's daughter's past DUI (I know, not the same thing, but it is politics).


Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 05, 2009, 10:26:20 AM
Quote from: Gaspar on June 05, 2009, 10:09:53 AM
Conan,

The only reason I strongly suspect it, is that I know a couple of prominent Democrats who were given the full court press over the years to run against Sullivan, by some very strong, very wealthy interests. 

They declined, regardless of the persistence with which they were pursued.  After Sullivan's announcement, you would expect that the courting effort to be renewed with increased vigor.  It was not. 

It vanished! Crickets still.

Days later Mayor Taylor makes this stunning announcement.  I may be wrong, but I am convinced that she will run, and I am not alone. 





Quite well aware there are plenty of people stoking the rumor mill and her interview on KRMG didn't do much to dispel it.  I simply think her skill set is above being a member of Congress.  She's a leader, and even in her own words said she's not very fond of the politics.

Her achilles heel is she would be very easy to label as a "tax and spend Democrat" by the Sullivan campaign.  Republicans who did not vote for the Porkulus package or who are challenging Democrat incumbents are going to be all over national debt and deficit spending.  If you think McCorkle had some slimey people digging around on Mayor Taylor, just wait and see what Sullivan's operatives do to her.  She's got thick skin, but I really don't see a masochistic streak in her.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 05, 2009, 10:27:28 AM
Sully's a drug addict. Come on folks. Play that sympathy cards you die hard Goppers.

CF and DT laid it out ....they just can't believe that a man with just an alcohol issue would be pounced on....
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gaspar on June 05, 2009, 10:28:20 AM
Quote from: FOTD on June 05, 2009, 10:27:28 AM
Sully's a drug addict. Come on folks. Play that sympathy cards you die hard Goppers.

CF and DT laid it out ....they just can't believe that a man with just an alcohol issue would be pounced on....

As usual, thanks for your contribution.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 05, 2009, 10:29:28 AM
Quote from: FOTD on June 05, 2009, 10:27:28 AM
Sully's a drug addict. Come on folks. Play that sympathy cards you die hard Goppers.

CF and DT laid it out ....they just can't believe that a man with just an alcohol issue would be pounced on....

So was POTUS Obama at one time in his life, by his own admission.  What's your point?
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gaspar on June 05, 2009, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 05, 2009, 10:26:20 AM
Quite well aware there are plenty of people stoking the rumor mill and her interview on KRMG didn't do much to dispel it.  I simply think her skill set is above being a member of Congress.  She's a leader, and even in her own words said she's not very fond of the politics.

Her achilles heel is she would be very easy to label as a "tax and spend Democrat" by the Sullivan campaign.  Republicans who did not vote for the Porkulus package or who are challenging Democrat incumbents are going to be all over national debt and deficit spending.  If you think McCorkle had some slimey people digging around on Mayor Taylor, just wait and see what Sullivan's operatives do to her.  She's got thick skin, but I really don't see a masochistic streak in her.

Tax n' spend is the new style, and with the same Washington political machine behind her as Oliver et. al. had, I think that will become small talk in the shadow of her real "brick & mortor" successes.

I think she is far more tough skinned than people give her credit for.  Small stature and a diminutive presence may continue to work in her favor.  Her leadership skills actually become her strongest battle weapon against Sullivan, and I have a hard time recognizing any ability on his part to combat that.

But you are correct.  Rumor is rumor.  Lets see what happens.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 05, 2009, 10:40:41 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 05, 2009, 10:29:28 AM
So was POTUS Obama at one time in his life, by his own admission.  What's your point?

POTUS OBAMA has never been an addict....toking is not in that league. Experimentation is human nature. Losing control is human nature for weak and unstable folks.

She's running for his seat. Book it Conoh.

Sully is toast.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: PonderInc on June 05, 2009, 11:07:34 AM
I am so frustrated and sad right now for Tulsa.

You can be a buffoon and be a City Councilor.
You can be a drunk and be a US Congressman.
You can be a sociopathic dinosaur and be a US Senator.

Just don't dare to be a brilliant, visionary, generous, assertive woman, working 100 hour weeks FOR FREE, trying to do what's best for your city.

We won't stand for it.  Not only that, we will do our best to stone you to death every day in the media.

It's funny that Tulsans wonder why we can't keep bright, young people in our city.  Gosh, I wonder why they leave?

Perhaps they see that this is not a place that appreciates talent, intelligence and the desire to move forward.  The message?  We like our stagnant little pond just the way it is.

Question for all her detractors:

What have you done for Tulsa lately?
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 05, 2009, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: PonderInc on June 05, 2009, 11:07:34 AM
I am so frustrated and sad right now for Tulsa.

You can be a buffoon and be a City Councilor.
You can be a drunk and be a US Congressman.
You can be a sociopathic dinosaur and be a US Senator.

Just don't dare to be a brilliant, visionary, generous, assertive woman, working 100 hour weeks FOR FREE, trying to do what's best for your city.

We won't stand for it.  Not only that, we will do our best to stone you to death every day in the media.

It's funny that Tulsans wonder why we can't keep bright, young people in our city.  Gosh, I wonder why they leave?

Perhaps they see that this is not a place that appreciates talent, intelligence and the desire to move forward.  The message?  We like our stagnant little pond just the way it is.

Question for all her detractors:

What have you done for Tulsa lately?

TRUE! SO TRUE!
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Townsend on June 05, 2009, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: Know Nothing on June 05, 2009, 11:28:25 AM
Taylor has lost confidence of the City Unions, has screwed up the new Drillers' stadium, blew like $72M on a new City Hall, is forcing the FOP to sue the City, advocated for wasteful make-work tax projects, is rapidly losing her ability to even talk sensibly with the Council, and blames it on the GOP.  She re-treads our old police chief while renegging on her promise of a safer city, and now wants to slink away.  BUH-BYE, lady! Enjoy your home in Florida!

There you go Ponder.  A perfect example of the stagnant ponders.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Hoss on June 05, 2009, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: Townsend on June 05, 2009, 11:32:57 AM
There you go Ponder.  A perfect example of the stagnant ponders.

I've always said that the moniker fits for that particular poster.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 05, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Here's what the councilors are saying, I thought Eagleton's was hillarious:

"This gives the citizens of Tulsa an excellent opportunity to elect a mayor that has the true interest of the city at heart. Councilor Rick Westcott

I'm very disappointed, especially with all the good she has done for the city. Councilor Dennis Troyer

I'm shocked. It's going to be a challenge to find out who's going to be the next mayor because she has Tulsa's interests at heart. Councilor Jack Henderson

It's going to be an interesting transition period. Councilor Bill Martinson

I have heard that Mayor Taylor has been offered a position in the Obama administration, and I think Mayor Taylor moving to D.C. would be good for Tulsa. Councilor John Eagleton

I've had the sense over the last 60 to 90 days that she was really burning the candle at both ends. I wish her the best. Councilor Bill Christiansen

I was surprised when I learned of the news. There's got to be something that changed her mind because she was certainly gung-ho about her re-election bid. I'll be interested to find out what changed. Councilor David Patrick "

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090605_16_A1_MayorK233503&archive=yes
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: PonderInc on June 05, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Eagleton is basically just useful as theater (entertainment value of someone portraying PT Barnum).  In this case, he's showing the true cynicism of his role, Mr. Bag O' Wind.

Here's the deal fellas:  You got what you wanted.  Now you gotta live with what you got.  (Unfortunately, so do we.)

Since many of y'all councillors are so brilliant, I'm sure being Mayor would be very easy for you.  Indeed, the best thing for Tulsa would be if you quit your City Council jobs to dedicate yourselves full-time to the Mayoral race....

Please.  Do it for the City of Tulsa.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: RecycleMichael on June 05, 2009, 02:16:25 PM
If two or three councilors ran for Mayor, it would be a good election. I would love to see that because it would be a real challenge to which of them has the vision for Tulsa that resonates with the voters.

The worst thing would be for half of the council to decide which among them gets the nod. That way half a dozen people decide who a likely next Mayor would be.

Plus if two or three of them ran, it would open up some seat for some new councilors.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: OpenYourEyesTulsa on June 05, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
I am glad she is not running  ;D   We need some new blood in the office and make the city council have more power to balance the mayor out.

I don't think Tulsa has had a good mayor in many years and that is why Tulsa has gone downhill so much.  A good mayor could have helped keep more oil jobs in Tulsa and brought in new companies and industries.  Also maintaining and developing downtown should have been a priority all along.

What about this guy:  http://www.visionwithoutataxincrease.com/
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Hoss on June 05, 2009, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: Know Nothing on June 05, 2009, 03:12:46 PM
Yaaaawwwwwn.  What a loser! Cannot win a point so reduced to nyah nyah.  What a bore!

Go back to pimpin' Uverse, Tim.  You're better at that than this, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 05, 2009, 03:33:02 PM
I don't care how great a mayor is.  They couldn't have kept corporations like CITGO, Texaco, etc. ad nauseum from moving jobs when the oil industry was consolidating in Houston.  It was simple corporate economics.

You might want to peruse the other thread going right now about current and proposed projects in downtown, sounds like you have not been down there in a few years.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gaspar on June 05, 2009, 03:47:02 PM
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on June 05, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
I am glad she is not running  ;D   We need some new blood in the office and make the city council have more power to balance the mayor out.

I don't think Tulsa has had a good mayor in many years and that is why Tulsa has gone downhill so much.  A good mayor could have helped keep more oil jobs in Tulsa and brought in new companies and industries.  Also maintaining and developing downtown should have been a priority all along.

What about this guy:  http://www.visionwithoutataxincrease.com/

Nah, can't do a candidate with a photoshoped lapel pin.  Too young and a bit on the cheesy side (no offense Clay).  Sorry but we don't need an entertainer (or Paul would be mayor).

We need another successful business person.  

We should avoid:
Lawyers
Career Politicians
Old Money Title Buyers
The Insane
Tax n' Spenders
No Tax n' Spenders
Marketers, Re-branders, and Monument Builders

We need:
A CEO that can get the company healthy again
A Person who's background requires little explanation (good business track record)
A finance degree person
Aggression (in every way)
An expert in the appointment of top notch people
And my favorite. . . a master at strategic planning

This person will come from Williams, QuikTrip, Explorer, Oneok or another of Tulsa's foundation companies.

Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Hoss on June 05, 2009, 04:16:04 PM
Quote from: Know Nothing on June 05, 2009, 03:56:21 PM
The Mayor has been a disaster, basically, and you want to be her cheerleader.  Great.  Defend it or dispute my points.

Umm, if you read the thread, clueless, you'll notice I haven't defended OR derided her.  I'm pretty neutral on our Mayor as a matter of fact.

Take your argument somewhere else.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Hoss on June 05, 2009, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Know Nothing on June 05, 2009, 04:18:32 PM
So you will not a take a position, do not have a position, so you have nothing to say on the matter and just jump in to criticize me? You really are a deadbeat loser!

It's not the argument you're making, but the way you make it that makes you look like more of a loser than I could ever be.  Then there's the PM stuff.  Go get your medz adjusted, please.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: OpenYourEyesTulsa on June 05, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
I think Mr. Nelson (McNellies owner) should run for mayor...
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Breadburner on June 05, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on June 05, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
I think Mr. Nelson (McNellies owner) should run for mayor...

Screw that..He is going to end up on the short end of the stick soon enough...
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Wilbur on June 05, 2009, 05:13:40 PM
It would certainly make one believe that, when you decide not to run for re-election for Mayor, then you decide to pay for your own advertising saying all the wonderful things you did as Mayor, she has to be getting ready to 'run' for something. 

The political commercials have already started!
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Nik on June 05, 2009, 05:40:07 PM
Still wondering if the DA election is in November as well.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: shadows on June 05, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
One would not believe that the mayor made the choice on her own.  Instead the powers-to-be that control the city have made the decision based on bringing possible of a investigation to the procedure that has been used to change the downtown area when many building and lots are owned by out-of-state investors who have no voting rights.  The "taxation without representation" could play a part.


Then the hinting of fraud and mismanagement of by an employee in the inter circle could bring the spotlight on downtown which may be hard to overcome.

One would assume if she was sent to congress she would be only the new girl there as there is a well establish political reign which could very easily ignore her.

The elected auditor letting it be known that he cannot perform this duty because of withheld information is presumed to suggest that the council appoint the auditor with the powers to demand information.

If one calculated the total debt the city residents are responsible for in the issued tax free revenue bonds with their interest, it is easy to see the down hill slide that will bring bankruptcy as the population exit's the city to the suburbs.   The best performance of the mayor, in future years will be construed to have pushed the city over the cliff.

Some cities are printing their own money which can only be spent in their city.  This is a solution that this city might consider.  Remember the wooden nickels'?
       
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: HazMatCFO on June 05, 2009, 09:26:49 PM
Taylor will run for Sullivan's seat now that he's all but done trying to rehab.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: ILUVTulsa on June 06, 2009, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on June 05, 2009, 03:47:02 PM

We need:
A CEO that can get the company healthy again
A Person who's background requires little explanation (good business track record)
A finance degree person
Aggression (in every way)
An expert in the appointment of top notch people
And my favorite. . . a master at strategic planning

This person will come from Williams, QuikTrip, Explorer, Oneok or another of Tulsa's foundation companies.


Blessed Are the Beasts and The Children!
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: CoffeeBean on June 06, 2009, 07:29:08 PM
What's Cason Carter up to these days?
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: shadows on June 06, 2009, 10:38:11 PM

What happened to the government of people before it was taken over by elite an millionaires? Is not among the thousands of citizens one who could represent the working poor?  Do we need a Jefferson who put the French house of Bonaparte in charge?  Nah, he was a slave trader. 
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Chicken Little on June 06, 2009, 10:53:24 PM
Quote from: ILUVTulsa on June 06, 2009, 05:22:30 PM
Blessed Are the Beasts and The Children!
OMG!  Great movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068286/).  Great soundtrack, too.  Carpenters, anyone?



Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: urban garden on June 07, 2009, 08:22:20 AM
I just want to note, that at least, Mayor Taylor did not turn into the SIZE of her HOUSE, like her predecessor Lafortune did while he was in office.  Remember we need someone that can have thier office in the Borg building without it collasping from their weight.  That will eliminate a lot of "dicky dos".  This criteria is  as justifiable as any other qualification. ???
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 08, 2009, 09:50:43 AM
Quote from: shadows on June 06, 2009, 10:38:11 PM
What happened to the government of people before it was taken over by elite an millionaires? Is not among the thousands of citizens one who could represent the working poor?  Do we need a Jefferson who put the French house of Bonaparte in charge?  Nah, he was a slave trader. 


BOK and the Tulsa World won't back the poor candidates.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 08, 2009, 10:05:32 AM
Lemme guess....DEWEY!
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: sgrizzle on June 08, 2009, 10:20:05 AM
New rumor: Taylor will re-enter the race right before the deadline due to "an amazing amount of community feedback"

This way she can take the politics out of the budget process, and then get back to politics once the budget is done.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: jne on June 08, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Is this an honest rumor or just Batespeak?
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: sgrizzle on June 08, 2009, 11:06:23 AM
Quote from: jne on June 08, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Is this an honest rumor or just Batespeak?

Office rumor (and no I don't work in a city office)

So more than likely not true, but an interesting concept.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: jne on June 08, 2009, 11:10:40 AM
http://www.batesline.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?tag=Kathy%20Taylor&blog_id=1&IncludeBlogs=1
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: sgrizzle on June 08, 2009, 11:20:13 AM
Quote from: jne on June 08, 2009, 11:10:40 AM
http://www.batesline.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?tag=Kathy%20Taylor&blog_id=1&IncludeBlogs=1


I doubt it's anything that complex, but if she did pull it off, she deserves a vote just for the huge amount of WIN.
(http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/SpockWin.jpg)
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 08, 2009, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: jne on June 08, 2009, 11:10:40 AM
http://www.batesline.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?tag=Kathy%20Taylor&blog_id=1&IncludeBlogs=1

"The scenario presented by my friend was intriguing, but I'm still inclined to believe that Taylor is setting herself up to run against Congressman John Sullivan next year. It would look crass if she said anything now, while he's still in rehab, but if she waited until he returns --"

Bates, what a party boy. Sully is unfit and that's not crass. It's reality. What's he done for Tulsa other than further our place in the Nation known for vile politicians.

"There's something else going on here, and the decision to run slickly-produced campaign ads after officially "ending" her campaign only solidifies that suspicion."

duh
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: PonderInc on June 08, 2009, 03:51:13 PM
Having read the article in the TW, that showed possible candidates, I'm downright depressed.  Are the pickings really this slim?  Sadly, the people most qualified to be mayor (or run for any public office) have no desire to deal with the constant b.s.  I'm sure Mayor Taylor is sick of it.  (Most of us probably couldn't deal with it for a month, much less 3 years...)

I'm sure that being mayor used to be a good gig.  I get the feeling that you used to  sit around in back rooms with cigars and scotch and make the big decisions with your buddies laughing their way to the bank.  The press would turn a blind eye to a few personal peccadillos like the occasional visit to a prostitute...or perhaps they'd join you there.  You'd get the best seats at restaurants.  People treated you with respect.  And there were no such thing as blogs.  (People who wanted to write a letter to the editor actually had to put it on paper, look up the address, find a stamp, and mail it in...not just anonymously click "send" after every news article.)

There are people I would gladly support if they wanted to run for mayor.  However, I doubt they ever would.  Why would you give up a happy and successful life to deal with a bunch of crapola: idiots, a_s-kissers, conspiracy theorists, personal attacks, hostile / uninformed loudmouths, "professional" politicians, and a big pay cut?  Just so you can do something good?

There's a great quote from the movie, "The Contender"...
Napoleon once said when asked to explain the lack of great statesmen in the world, that "to get power you need to display absolute pettiness; to exercise power, you need to show true greatness." Such pettiness and greatness are rarely found in one person...

Politics is an ecosystem that is sadly uninhabitable to many smart, reasonable people.  Indeed, I think Kryptonite might be the proper metaphor for its affect on them.

Many of us assumed that Mayor Taylor was tough enough to withstand the relentless b.s....while spending every ounce of her energy trying to do what she felt was best for Tulsa.   We watched her be 10 times stronger and smarter and tougher than Lafortune was ever asked to be....and then we watched her be criticised for THAT.  (See Ginger Rogers quote about getting no credit for performing the same dances as Fred Astaire, only backwards and in high heels...) 

I don't think Mayor Taylor was perfect.  In hindsight, I recognize a couple cases where I wish things had been handled differently.  But in general, I've had complete confidence in her abilities as a thoughtful and intelligent leader; and total faith that she was working selflessly to do what was best for Tulsa.

How many elected officals can you name that pass that litmus test?

Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: waterboy on June 08, 2009, 09:05:07 PM
Ponder. Your first mistake was perusing the UT for possible candidates. That's about as helpful as reading comments in the TW. Its a few months out before any serious politicking is going to occur and any conjecture now is pretty useless, imo. I could still see some unknowns or little knowns emerging and spoiling several councillor's plans.

I like the idea of a former insider from previous decades coming back to help the city. Perhaps someone having been witness to the folly of past mayors and councils yet who remains unsullied. I think that person may be quite similar to KT. I liked her boldness, especially contrasted with her small presence. It concerns me deeply that it appears much of her detractors' motivation seemed gender related.

Chin up. Its only politics. Real life trumps it every time.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 08, 2009, 10:37:31 PM
Quote from: FOTD on June 08, 2009, 03:14:51 PM
"The scenario presented by my friend was intriguing, but I'm still inclined to believe that Taylor is setting herself up to run against Congressman John Sullivan next year. It would look crass if she said anything now, while he's still in rehab, but if she waited until he returns --"

Bates, what a party boy. Sully is unfit and that's not crass. It's reality. What's he done for Tulsa other than further our place in the Nation known for vile politicians.

"There's something else going on here, and the decision to run slickly-produced campaign ads after officially "ending" her campaign only solidifies that suspicion."

duh

The return of Susan Savage approaches?
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 09, 2009, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: waterboy on June 08, 2009, 09:05:07 PM
Ponder. Your first mistake was perusing the UT for possible candidates. That's about as helpful as reading comments in the TW. Its a few months out before any serious politicking is going to occur and any conjecture now is pretty useless, imo. I could still see some unknowns or little knowns emerging and spoiling several councillor's plans.

I like the idea of a former insider from previous decades coming back to help the city. Perhaps someone having been witness to the folly of past mayors and councils yet who remains unsullied. I think that person may be quite similar to KT. I liked her boldness, especially contrasted with her small presence. It concerns me deeply that it appears much of her detractors' motivation seemed gender related.

Chin up. Its only politics. Real life trumps it every time.

No, I don't think it's gender-related.  I think it's some councilors who spend too much time with their head up Hannity or Limbaugh's a$$ and assume partisan politics has to be played out at the local level. 

Speaking of, one of those "R"'s I'm referring to thought we should have taxed and spent $2bln on streets all at once and didn't seem to agree there's ever been any sort of wide-spread mis-management in public works nor a looming downturn which would have bred skepticism in voters. 
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: buckeye on June 09, 2009, 10:59:36 AM
At one time or another, I've heard something stupid from a city councilor and thought, "Wow.  Gotta remember not to vote for him!"

This has happened, several times...well, as many as there are seats on the council...
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 09, 2009, 01:03:32 PM
Quote from: buckeye on June 09, 2009, 10:59:36 AM
At one time or another, I've heard something stupid from a city councilor and thought, "Wow.  Gotta remember not to vote for him!"

This has happened, several times...well, as many as there are seats on the council...

Amen Buckey.

Looks like our city may get their own version of Dumbya and the consequences that follow such lameness....
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: HazMatCFO on June 09, 2009, 07:40:11 PM
I am curious at a politican who's not running for re-election is spending money on TV ads to tell us she's not running for re-election.

End game is John Sullivan's seat, however I don't think she will win.

Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 09, 2009, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: HazMatCFO on June 09, 2009, 07:40:11 PM
I am curious at a politican who's not running for re-election is spending money on TV ads to tell us she's not running for re-election.

End game is John Sullivan's seat, however I don't think she will win.



He should not run. He has an illness.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Gaspar on June 10, 2009, 08:12:03 AM
Quote from: HazMatCFO on June 09, 2009, 07:40:11 PM
I am curious at a politican who's not running for re-election is spending money on TV ads to tell us she's not running for re-election.

End game is John Sullivan's seat, however I don't think she will win.



Yeah and about 4 or 5 spots a day on KRMG in prime time slots.  7:35 AM, 5:05 PM, Lunch 12:10 and 12:45. 
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 10, 2009, 08:31:55 AM
Quote from: FOTD on June 09, 2009, 07:46:40 PM
He should not run. He has an illness.

You don't practice discrimination at all, do you?
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: joiei on June 10, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 10, 2009, 08:31:55 AM
You don't practice discrimination at all, do you?

Conan71, we all know that FOTD is the one with the illness.  Not voting for Sullivan because he has admitted he has a problem and is doing the work required to learn to live with it is being a bigot. 
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: waterboy on June 10, 2009, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: joiei on June 10, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
Conan71, we all know that FOTD is the one with the illness.  Not voting for Sullivan because he has admitted he has a problem and is doing the work required to learn to live with it is being a bigot. 

One person's bigot is another's pragmatist, I guess. Alcoholism, like most addictions, has a certain personality framework associated with it. Those who know recovered alcoholics can still recognize the traits in them and how they affect their decision making.  Its those traits that she can run against.

I think she's preparing to run for something, somewhere. Its doubtful she spends this money for the ego, though occassionally you do see a "SOLD" sign on a for sale by owner, its rare.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: tim huntzinger on June 10, 2009, 09:59:40 AM
Quote from: joiei on June 10, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
Conan71, we all know that FOTD is the one with the illness.  Not voting for Sullivan because he has admitted he has a problem and is doing the work required to learn to live with it is being a bigot. 

No that is just plain rationale.  The relapse rate for treatment is dang near 100%.  How do you know he 'is doing the work'? Something happened, IMO, over Memorial Day weekend.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on June 10, 2009, 10:08:31 AM
Before you talk about how great he is and how alcoholism makes him a better candidate for the Republican party. There are a few more questions that should be answered.  (Although I do think its great Oklahoma might have its own Ted Kennedy!)

1) How long has he needed to get treatment.
2) Did he ever go to work drunk.  (3 different votes on the same bill on the same day makes me think yes)
3) Which celebrity autographs did he get in rehab?

Maybe we can throw 3 out
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 10, 2009, 10:27:37 AM
The substance Sullivan should be judged on for job performance is legislation accomplished.  What'd I say?  Something like 26 out of 30 bills he authored died in committee?  Missed 7% of the votes since '02 which is higher than average but still lower than the absentee records of Senators John McCain and Barack Obama.

Now, is that due to an alcohol problem, or does he simply have a work ethic problem?  He's a good follower, the perfect rank-and-file go-along guy.

I really don't see this job, the most junior seat in a five-member delegation, being a meaningful target for someone as driven as Mayor Taylor.  She's not a good follower, she is a trail-blazer and has leader's personality.  That's why I don't see her having her sights set on this.  I'd think Governor or Senator, aiming for Coburn's seat.  He's up next, Inhofe is safe for 5.5 years.

Here's the other problem she's got to face in a national race: people are going to be deficit leery by 2010.  That's going to be the battle cry of the GOP.  Her actions as Mayor can easily be spun into irresponsible spending during a time of tight budgets.

Sully has the machine to keep his seat if he wants it.  The DNC isn't ever going to summon the kind of money and support they need to take this seat from Republican hands.  Oliver was the first serious challenge they've made to the seat and Sully's crew did a good job of making her look like a carpet-bagging outsider. 

There will be a strong effort by the DNC to un-seat Coburn if they want to maintain their majority in the Senate.  I could see them heavily backing Mayor Taylor for a Senate run, unless Brad Henry seems to think that's the next logical step in his career.  I wouldn't rule out Tom Adelson running for that seat either, sort of a Boren Democrat, comes from a family of physicians, former State Secretary Of Health.  I believe he's also a healthcare reform advocate.

I've said since '02 if the Dems would put up a good candidate I'd vote for them.  Thus far they have not.  Mayor Taylor is someone I'd vote for in that race, but I honestly don't see her being attracted to it and it's not as much a necessity to the DNC for her to win that seat as it would be for U.S. Senate or Gov.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on June 10, 2009, 10:43:00 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 10, 2009, 10:27:37 AM
The substance Sullivan should be judged on for job performance is legislation accomplished.  What'd I say?  Something like 26 out of 30 bills he authored died in committee?  Missed 7% of the votes since '02 which is higher than average but still lower than the absentee records of Senators John McCain and Barack Obama.

Now, is that due to an alcohol problem, or does he simply have a work ethic problem?  He's a good follower, the perfect rank-and-file go-along guy.


I am asking what part of the 93% had he been drinking.  Not how much did he miss as that is a known.

And you can't hold absentee records of people running for President up to those drinking at home.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 10, 2009, 11:19:54 AM
Quote from: Trogdor on June 10, 2009, 10:43:00 AM
I am asking what part of the 93% had he been drinking.  Not how much did he miss as that is a known.

And you can't hold absentee records of people running for President up to those drinking at home.

The absenteeism I was referring to was before either Senator was "actively" campaigning for POTUS.  McCain's wife owns a large beer distributorship, hangovers are a biznitch.  Connect the dots.

No idea how much of the 93% he'd been drinking, if at all.  If he feels the need to fess up to something, assuming he did drink on the job, he will tell us.  If anyone is in doubt about that and think he deserves to be fired over it, they can vote against him.  If I vote against Congressman Sullivan in 2010, it will be because someone finally put up a capable alternative, not because he got honest with himself and others and checked into the BFC.

I've known (as we all do) many functioning alcoholics who would never, ever drink on the job and they show up every morning for work and do very good work.  Not every alcoholic wakes up and takes a snort before heading to work, nor are they all the head of a broken family.  There are a lot of mistaken stereotypes of addicts. 
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 10, 2009, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 10, 2009, 11:19:54 AM
The absenteeism I was referring to was before either Senator was "actively" campaigning for POTUS.  McCain's wife owns a large beer distributorship, hangovers are a biznitch.  Connect the dots.

No idea how much of the 93% he'd been drinking, if at all.  If he feels the need to fess up to something, assuming he did drink on the job, he will tell us.  If anyone is in doubt about that and think he deserves to be fired over it, they can vote against him.  If I vote against Congressman Sullivan in 2010, it will be because someone finally put up a capable alternative, not because he got honest with himself and others and checked into the BFC.

I've known (as we all do) many functioning alcoholics who would never, ever drink on the job and they show up every morning for work and do very good work.  Not every alcoholic wakes up and takes a snort before heading to work, nor are they all the head of a broken family.  There are a lot of mistaken stereotypes of addicts. 

Malarkey. He's been dipping into the sauce for some time.

The devils in our society have hope for those afflicted with the awful scourge of drug addiction. But if society is going to treat their victims differently because one drug is legal and the others are not, we say malarkey.

CoCo, again....what has Sullivan done for Tulsa? His time has come and gone. 
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 10, 2009, 02:37:01 PM
Look for the mayor to make some big decisions and drastic changes now that she is not seeking re election. And don't anticipate that she will run for 1st district congress person.....nor for Senator.
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: Conan71 on June 10, 2009, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: FOTD on June 10, 2009, 02:34:07 PM
Malarkey. He's been dipping into the sauce for some time.

The devils in our society have hope for those afflicted with the awful scourge of drug addiction. But if society is going to treat their victims differently because one drug is legal and the others are not, we say malarkey.

CoCo, again....what has Sullivan done for Tulsa? His time has come and gone. 

You obviously don't read the obvious points in my posts.  I've pointed to him as being an legislator of questionable effectiveness and strict party-liner of medium intelligence not just in this thread but for some time.  Any of us who knew Sullivan since high school know he was a beer drinking thug, that's not news either.  Other than securing an ICE office for Tulsa, I can't point to anything substantive he's done for the district that would not have happened with another party-liner.

At least he admits there's an addiction issue.  You still deny it's possible to be addicted to weed.  There's great scientific evidence of psychological addiction, but you'll never read that in Rolling Stone or Mother Jones.  Everything is good in moderation.

(http://www.passionateamerica.com/pictures/Pot_Smoking_Idiots.jpg)
Title: Re: Mayor Taylor won't run
Post by: FOTD on June 10, 2009, 03:23:28 PM
Moderation is where it's at for the disciplined part of society. Self discipline underlies ethical behavior. Why else do so many politicians get exposed for their weakness. It's hard to act from strength when you live by the mercy of your past.

CoCo, that garbage about pot addiction don't fly. So don't light the fuse. Besides, alcohol addiction is far more harmful to society.
As a matter of fact, what's a pot addict going to do all day? It's hard to find road accidents caused by pot, especially compared to big pharma drugs and cell phones and booze.

You really love to play that "hypocrite" card when it least applies.

Cascia sucks.

Now, back to the thread.