http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090516_272_A11_Offici130711 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090516_272_A11_Offici130711)
I saw this in the paper today. Sounds like a great idea and a perfect addition to the Blue Dome District. Can't wait to hear what they have proposed.
Has the potential to be something really interesting. It could encompass everything from Will Rogers-Micky Mantle-Jazz musicians, country musicians, movies and books like the Outsider, Oklahoma the musical,etc. etc. It could be quite an impressive museum. Will be interesting to see what they come up with and where it will be exactly.
BTW, the article says Brady, not Blue Dome.
Basically, they are going to be bringing the "One Hot Oklahoma Night" Exhibit, which is currently at the Oklahoma History Museum, to Tulsa...I hear they have just tons of material, and are collecting more and more all the time...
Great move...Tulsa clearly has the richest musical history in the state...JMO.
In the latest article they say its going to start with the 30s. Seems like that will leave out a lot of wonderful popular culture figures from the earliest days of our state made national, and even international headlines. Pop culture didnt start with TV and Radio, those things carried on traditions, people and acts that came before.
My rant on the TW website...
Sounds like it could be a really neat museum, though disappointed that it skips over the early years and the 20s. Our "popular culture" influence started earlier than the 30s with the traveling Wild West Shows and 101 Ranch for instance, and all the famous figures in those things. Many of which then moved on to movies and such. This from Wikipedia....( In 1908, the Miller Brothers 101 Ranch Wild West Show began the tour circuit in Brighton Beach, New York.Over the course of the show, it boasted famous performers such as Bill Picket, Bessie Herberg, Bee Ho Gray, Tom Mix, Jack Hoxie, Mexican Joe, and eventually Buffalo Bill.
... In 1908, when Buffalo Bill and Pawnee Bill combined their shows into an extravaganza that broke records at Madison Square Gardens, the Miller Brothers also took their show abroad.) There are plenty of other examples. Our pop culture influence and figures didnt just materialize out of thin air one day in 1930. Our state isnt that old, wouldnt have hurt to have started in the beginning and shown where the later stuff came from, what that stuff was influenced by and directly evolved from in this state. (Or is it because a lot of that history happened in NE Oklahoma far from OKC and they just dont know about it and appreciate it like we do? )
Btw, regardless of any particular praise or complaints about the museum, I look forward to doing whatever I can on my part to contribute and make it something really great for the people of the Tulsa area, the State, and Country.
Good thing the city has plenty of money to afford a new museum.
Quote from: Wilbur on May 17, 2009, 02:16:33 PM
Good thing the city has plenty of money to afford a new museum.
Good thing the city isn't completely funding the museum.
Quote from: TURobY on May 17, 2009, 02:27:09 PM
Good thing the city isn't completely funding the museum.
No. City employees with their furloughs are helping fund the new museum.
I don't see where it has mentioned city tax dollars specifically being used. Do you have some inside information or are you just using this as an excuse to complain about the Mayor?
The words 'public-private' in Saturday's article certainly suggests city money.
We'll see. I may stand corrected.
Quote from: Wilbur on May 18, 2009, 05:56:14 AM
The words 'public-private' in Saturday's article certainly suggests city money.
We'll see. I may stand corrected.
Public dollars could also involve state or federal funds. The Oklahoma Historical Society is a State agency.
Quote from: AVERAGE JOE on May 18, 2009, 05:57:35 PM
Public dollars could also involve state or federal funds. The Oklahoma Historical Society is a State agency.
If the state willingly chipped in to let Tulsa have a museum,,, I would fall out of my chair.
I think I will wait until Tuesday to see what they have to say before I try to stick their heads on pikes along Brady. Until you know what they have on the planning board you are just guessing.
Got a sneak peak at the renderings and some tidbits about the museum...
OMG, Stunning. This is gonna be fantastic. Way above anything I was imagining. ;D
Will go to the press conference at 1, bring my trusty camera and will post all the info and pics right after.
Quote from: TheArtist on May 19, 2009, 10:28:54 AM
Got a sneak peak at the renderings and some tidbits about the museum...
OMG, Stunning. This is gonna be fantastic. Way above anything I was imagining. ;D
Will go to the press conference at 1, bring my trusty camera and will post all the info and pics right after.
If it's anything like the design for the Matthews Warehouse I will be very pleased. That project, the Wallace Engineering offices, and Griffin Comm./KOTV are all excellent designs and additions to Brady IMO.
Quote from: SXSW on May 19, 2009, 10:58:50 AM
If it's anything like the design for the Matthews Warehouse I will be very pleased. That project, the Wallace Engineering offices, and Griffin Comm./KOTV are all excellent designs and additions to Brady IMO.
This blows them all out of the water.
What part of the Brady district will it be located in? Hopefully it will face the new park where Central Freight is now.
Quote from: TheArtist on May 19, 2009, 11:29:09 AM
This blows them all out of the water.
That's good news. Can't wait to hear more when you return from the press conference.
It's over by Brady theater, and not far from this new museum:
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Wow... Two music museums within walking distance of each other... and then there's the Mickey Mantle Museum, which I'm hoping is still going in. Seems like we're getting a true arts and museum district...
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Holy Crap
That crashing sound was my jaw hitting the floor.
:o
Spectacular.
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I just had a palpitation! What details do you have? Can't really discern a location given the renderings. Name? Owned/operated by? What's the "public/private" part?
Wow...
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Now that would be really nice. I'm assuming it would take the place of the empty warehouse across the street from cains? It's much bigger then the one that was posted by sgrizzle
I really like it. I hope it actually takes place.
Quote from: custosnox on May 19, 2009, 02:49:16 PM
Now that would be really nice. I'm assuming it would take the place of the empty warehouse across the street from cains? It's much bigger then the one that was posted by sgrizzle
Judging from the rendering it looks like it's across Brady from the Brady theater, built on the formerly-empty downtown city block of parking bounded by Archer, Brady, Boulder and Cheyenne.
gonna get crowded down there . . .
Tulsa World article on "Oklahoma Pop": http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090519_298_0_Affybi520668 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090519_298_0_Affybi520668)
QuoteA fifty-by-eighty-foot outdoor LED screen, a rooftop cafe and exhibits detailing Oklahoma's role in contemporary culture are the featured elements of a new downtown museum formally announced Tueday by the Oklahoma Historical Society.
Oklahoma Pop, as the museum would be known, is planned for 45,000 square feet in the Brady District, OHS Executive Director Bob Blackburn said during a press conference at Lola's at the Bowery.
"Our conversations started here in Lola's three years ago," Blackburn said. "We want to duplicate the success of the Oklahoma History Center with a Tulsa flair."
Blackburn said OHS will ask the Legislature for a $25 million bond issue next year, with another $8 million to be raised from other sources. The George Kaiser Family Foundation has already pledged the first $1 million of that.
Blackburn said three potential sites, all in the Brady District, are under consideration for the museum.
Quote from: dsjeffries on May 19, 2009, 03:33:11 PM
Tulsa World article on "Oklahoma Pop": http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090519_298_0_Affybi520668 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090519_298_0_Affybi520668)
We have to go to the legislature for $25mm of it???
I wonder what OKC will do with their $100mm "compromise" in that bill?
/snark
I agree with Floyd, based on the rendering this is Boulder Ave....time to get the bridge fixed.
Quote from: carltonplace on May 19, 2009, 03:44:37 PM
I agree with Floyd, based on the rendering this is Boulder Ave....time to get the bridge fixed.
The article states that there are three potential sites.
Artist, you were so right, this is way bigger than anything I imagined. I sure hope it happens, can you imagine. The beginnings of a true music and museum district.
Quote from: joiei on May 19, 2009, 03:59:30 PM
Artist, you were so right, this is way bigger than anything I imagined.
Can you imagine if that's all you heard of that conversation in a bar?
Quote from: Conan71 on May 19, 2009, 04:19:50 PM
Can you imagine if that's all you heard of that conversation in a bar?
Yes... yes I can imagine. LOL
The hope is that they will be able to break ground next summer. Also the 25mill from the state (the Oklahoma History Museum got 50mill) will be a one off, in that this museum with its endowment and revenue from the Pop Top Cafe, events, donations, etc... will be self sustaining and not a "continued expansion or burden" on the government. Once its built, year after year it will act as a regional attraction and revenue generator.
The renderings are not finalized, but are definitely meant to set the bar. They want this museum to be a world class attraction and Smithsonian quality. Through the Oklahoma History Museum it will be an adjunct of the Smithsonian, likely getting some articles from the Smithsonian and other museums around the state and country. They want it to be one of the top 4 venues of its type, like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Also think of the synergies Tulsa is starting to build in this area. We are already known as the Cultural and Artistic capitol of the state. This will further cement that designation and keep us from falling behind. Within a few blocks of this we have the Brady Theater, Cains Ballroom, BOK Arena, Jazz Hall of Fame, Performing Arts Center, plus other music venues... All adding together to create a tipping point which will definitely create a great Music Vibe for Tulsa. Lets not forget D-Fest and what it is doing for Tulsas music scene as well. Then add to that the Matthews/Philbrook/Atkins museum, the new Ballpark... This part of town will be jumpin.
I really enjoyed Blackburns description of this place and how it will be themed. They started thinking of this as being a Rock and Roll type venue, then a Country Music venue, Rout 66, etc. etc. Then they came up with the notion of rolling them all into one and having the over arching theme be Pop Culture. He ran off descriptions of SOOO many people from Tulsa that have had an influence in our nations pop culture. Their connections and influence on so many things that have shaped pop culture in our country, and the world. The thread that will tie this museum and its exhibits together, from movies to radio will be Music. Its really amazing how much influence people from this small town and this state have had on our pop culture scene. And this museum will showcase that to the world.
Location... Definitely the Brady District. There are a few spots they are looking at, and yes, the parking lot opposite the Brady Theater is one of them.
The next big step will be getting the state funding. From what I have heard rumor wise, it looks like the state legislators are fairly smitten with what they have seen with this project. But still, fingers crossed. In the meantime an architectural firm may be chosen by this fall. Also the collections and fundraising process will start. They are already establishing connections with individuals, collectors, venues and museums all over the state (Oklahoma History Museum, Tulsa Historical Society, musuems in other cities, etc.) and country (including the Smithsonian) and gathering objects for the museum. Yes there will be a concern about spending money on this during a very tight budget. This will take years to build and the recession wont last forever. They want to keep trucking along and make this a top notch facility. Its planting a seed during lean years to have it blossom and be ready to bear fruit. Its keeping the momentum going, and once its done, it will be there to keep things going year after year.
There are other really neat things planned and going on in this part of downtown, small and large. Its this continued moving forward, keeping a focus and over all emphasis on arts and creativity, and adding to that which will really help get us back on the map. Lots of pieces adding up to create one big impact.
Quote from: TURobY on May 19, 2009, 04:20:45 PM
Yes... yes I can imagine. LOL
I'd be guessing they were talking about a mural, what were you thinking? :o
Quote from: Conan71 on May 19, 2009, 04:19:50 PM
Can you imagine if that's all you heard of that conversation in a bar?
I get that a lot. 8)
Quote from: Conan71 on May 19, 2009, 04:25:38 PM
I'd be guessing they were talking about a mural, what were you thinking? :o
I've been around too many overtly sexual people for me to not think certain things... ;)
Quote from: carltonplace on May 19, 2009, 03:44:37 PM
I agree with Floyd, based on the rendering this is Boulder Ave....time to get the bridge fixed.
I think Boulder & Brady across the street from the Brady Theatre is perfect. And yes that could jumpstart getting the Boulder bridge rebuilt as Boulder becomes one of the main thoroughfares through downtown connecting all the way to 21st/Riverside..and maybe a future streetcar route?
Wow. wow. Wow.
I'm thinking that's the capstone on a very impressive list of cultural institutions poised to transform the Brady District into a very cool place. Which cultural element will turn dirt first?
Great looking museum! I can't wait until this things gets cleared and off the ground. Really exciting time in Tulsa.
These renderings remind me alot of the Experience Music Project which is in Seattle. It was geared towards popular music from the Seattle area, and now also has a science fiction wing. It is a very technologically intensive in the exhibits, and on the night I walked through (it happened to be free that night; once a month) they had a band playing on a stage inside the museum. Very very cool.
I'm new here, and I couldnt figure out how to post images and make them a resonable size, so here are the URLs of some. First one is the outside of the building. (Ours is way cooler, but notice the monorail running through the EMP)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/EMPPano11.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/EMPPano11.jpg)
This is the inside, where they have concerts etc.
http://www.sculpture.net/images/Seattle/IMG_9303-sm.jpg (http://www.sculpture.net/images/Seattle/IMG_9303-sm.jpg)
Rich Fisher of KWGS radio had a very good interview with the OHS folks on his show today. They are talking about something to be more than just a museum, they are already working on archives for exhibits to go in the building. I like the idea of the roof top cafe, temporarily called the POP Top. http://www.publicradiotulsa.org/studiotulsa.html (http://www.publicradiotulsa.org/studiotulsa.html)
Really amazing announcement.
But I will hold my breath. The odds of OKC voting to give Tulsa $25,000,000 for a museum are slim to none. I will remain hopefully pessimistic until funding is actually assigned.
Am I the only person who isn't thrilled with the concept of a gigantic, throbbing, 3-dimensional, digital billboard in the middle of the Brady District? Actually, imagine a digital billboard multiplied by about 50 times...and then you have an idea of the streetscape.
Whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Or so I hoped.
How much will it cost every time a kid throws a rock at it? How cool will it look every time one of the panels goes dead? And how much will it cost to replace?
Not to mention all the moths and junebugs in your hair....
Don't get me wrong. I'm excited to hear about a museum in this location. Just not thrilled with the...uh..architecture (is that what it's called?).
But you never know. I hated the BOK Center the first time I saw the drawings, and now I love the design. I guess time will tell.
Quote from: PonderInc on June 03, 2009, 02:51:47 PM
Am I the only person who isn't thrilled with the concept of a gigantic, throbbing, 3-dimensional, digital billboard in the middle of the Brady District? Actually, imagine a digital billboard multiplied by about 50 times...and then you have an idea of the streetscape.
Whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Or so I hoped.
How much will it cost every time a kid throws a rock at it? How cool will it look every time one of the panels goes dead? And how much will it cost to replace?
Not to mention all the moths and junebugs in your hair....
Don't get me wrong. I'm excited to hear about a museum in this location. Just not thrilled with the...uh..architecture (is that what it's called?).
But you never know. I hated the BOK Center the first time I saw the drawings, and now I love the design. I guess time will tell.
You just hate anything that was made after 1970 thats over 40 feet tall :D
Hopefully it isn't blinding and it would be much more impressive to put it inside.
Tulsa World story today on the status of the Oklahoma Popular Music Museum in the Brady District. If this can happen, this will be an great addition to and draw for the entire Brady District.
The Oklahoma Historical Society will unveil plans Friday for a $40 million state bond issue to fund a Tulsa music and popular culture museum and a parking garage for the Brady Arts District.
"This is a museum that will be of international status, that will draw attention to Oklahoma as a crossroads of creativity," said Bob Blackburn, executive director of the Historical Society.
The Smithsonian-quality exhibits will draw at least 100,000 paying visitors a year, meaning the museum would be completely self-supporting after the 20-year bond issue is paid off, he predicted.
If the Oklahoma Legislature authorizes the bond sale this year, Blackburn said the museum could open in 2015.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110506_16_A1_CUTLIN831496
Quote from: DTowner on May 06, 2011, 10:07:12 AM
If the Oklahoma Legislature authorizes the bond sale this year, Blackburn said the museum could open in 2015.
What are the odds that the OKC Legislature will go for this?
Quote from: Townsend on May 06, 2011, 10:09:33 AM
What are the odds that the OKC Legislature will go for this?
I think it has a good chance. The Legislature is going to approve a big bond issue this year and they are going to throw in a few perks to get our support.
I have a lot of faith in this Blackburn fellow. He seems to be able to talk their language and get museums built.
It will help if the Tulsa Chamber makes this one of its legislative priorities as it could be a huge boost to Tulsa tourism. It also helps that this project has the full backing of the Oklahoma Historical Society, which I do not believe has built anything in Tulsa in the past.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hope they get the site they want. Its perfect; accross from Brady close to Cains and a block from the new hotel with close access to Boulder bridge into downtown. Time to pressure our respective congress peeps.
Is it the block bounded by Archer, Brady, Boulder, and Cheyenne?
I wish the funding from the state govt. would support both this and the Art Deco museum.
Quote from: SXSW on May 06, 2011, 01:29:04 PM
I wish the funding from the state govt. would support both this and the Art Deco museum.
I wish the government would make education the number one state priority....followed by the environment. Subsidizing tourist attractions is about 20 on my list and goes against any Republican philosophy of balancing budgets.
it is located between Boston and Cincinnati between Archer and the tracks. Just north of Jazz Hall adjacent to the Boston Bridge.
Quote from: riverman on May 06, 2011, 02:06:55 PM
it is located between Boston and Cincinnati between Archer and the tracks. Just north of Jazz Hall adjacent to the Boston Bridge.
Are you sure? I thought it was fronting Boulder by the Brady Theater, which is a better location IMO. The lot south of Archer between Boston and Cincinnati would be better for more apartments, a continuation of the Tribune Lofts to the west with nice views over the tracks.
The concept drawings located it south of the Brady Archer/Brady - Cheyenne/Boulder
Quote from: Teatownclown on May 06, 2011, 01:55:32 PM
I wish the government would make education the number one state priority....followed by the environment. Subsidizing tourist attractions is about 20 on my list and goes against any Republican philosophy of balancing budgets.
It would be a bond issue not a subsidy and it would be a self sustaining endeavor.
Quote from: carltonplace on May 06, 2011, 02:33:10 PM
It would be a bond issue not a subsidy and it would be a self sustaining endeavor.
Ok...an indirect risk to the States credit rating and its ability to issue future debt for more important priorities. ::)
Quote from: Teatownclown on May 06, 2011, 01:55:32 PM
I wish the government would make education the number one state priority....followed by the environment. Subsidizing tourist attractions is about 20 on my list and goes against any Republican philosophy of balancing budgets.
Walking and chewing gum at the same time. It IS possible.
Quote from: we vs us on May 06, 2011, 03:34:53 PM
Walking and chewing gum at the same time. It IS possible.
I saw a person doing that once. After about 15 steps they tripped and fell.
:D
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 06, 2011, 03:47:34 PM
I saw a person doing that once. After about 15 steps they tripped and fell.
:D
Was he wearing clown shoes?
For what it's worth, I think this project is one of the least compelling of all the things on the docket in the Brady. The amount of $$, the timing (towards the long-donkey end of a long-donkey recession), and the subject matter ("Tulsa pop culture" is pretty amorphous and might not appeal to a particularly broad base of tourists), all combine to make this a "meh" on paper.
I'd much prefer the Deco Museum to get some serious state money rather than this fluff.
Per the TW the OK legislators are calling this a long shot. Maybe if they moved it to OKC?
Quote from: carltonplace on May 06, 2011, 02:33:10 PM
It would be a bond issue not a subsidy and it would be a self sustaining endeavor.
It would be a bond issue repaid by the state. It is only planned to be self-sustaining operationally; i.e., after the museum is built and paid for.
Quote from: we vs us on May 06, 2011, 04:17:19 PM
I'd much prefer the Deco Museum to get some serious state money rather than this fluff.
Agree. The Deco museum could be such a cool attraction. Oklahoma pop culture just doesn't do it for me.
This museum is part of the Oklahoma Historical Society's master plan. It will get built someday. We can get excited and hope it is built in the Brady or complain about it, and maybe it will get built in OKC. People don't realize how much pop culture and popular artists, musicians and actors come from here. In fact, those people only come from other states with Chuck Norris allows them to (another okie)
Quote from: we vs us on May 06, 2011, 04:17:19 PM
For what it's worth, I think this project is one of the least compelling of all the things on the docket in the Brady. The amount of $$, the timing (towards the long-donkey end of a long-donkey recession), and the subject matter ("Tulsa pop culture" is pretty amorphous and might not appeal to a particularly broad base of tourists), all combine to make this a "meh" on paper.
I'd much prefer the Deco Museum to get some serious state money rather than this fluff.
Let's say I might just be biased but I agree on the Deco Museum.
Quote from: Floyd on May 09, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
And make no mistake--Oklahoma's got a ton of relevant subject matter.
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Good God. Look at those choppers.
Quote from: Floyd on May 09, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
I second this.
Deco is awesome, but the subject matter of this museum will be much more accessible and entertaining to the general public. It is the sort of attraction that would unify the Brady as an arts/culture/entertainment district and cause feet to be on the downtown sidewalks on a Saturday afternoon. You can't take your eight year old to a show at the Cain's, but you can take her to a pop music museum.
And make no mistake--Oklahoma's got a ton of relevant subject matter.
Absolutely. The Deco museum sounds cool to me, but the Oklahoma Pop Music/culture museum will drive a lot more traffic into the Brady district. Indeed, it will probably drive more traffic into Brady than anything other than Oneok Field. When Tulsa has the Okla. Historical Society pushing to locate a museum in Tulsa, we should all get on board and do what we can to make it happen before the OHS changes its mind.
Quote from: DTowner on May 09, 2011, 01:42:56 PM
Absolutely. The Deco museum sounds cool to me, but the Oklahoma Pop Music/culture museum will drive a lot more traffic into the Brady district. Indeed, it will probably drive more traffic into Brady than anything other than Oneok Field. When Tulsa has the Okla. Historical Society pushing to locate a museum in Tulsa, we should all get on board and do what we can to make it happen before the OHS changes its mind.
Agree, but wish there was something for the Deco Museum as well. One would help Brady while the other would bring people into the CBD and could tie-in to the architectural walking tours they already do.
Thanks all for the kind words regarding the Tulsa Art Deco Museum. We are still the new kid on the block, learning the ropes. The Oklahoma Pop will be a great addition to the Brady Arts district. Along with the Philbrook and the Gilcrease/TU project in the Matthews Warehouse, the Arts and Humanities Council Project, the Cains Museum, National Fiddler Hall of Fame, Childrens Museum, Energy America (not much talked aobut, but this one I think might suprise ya), and other arts/cultural projects that already exist or are in the works.... will creat a critical mass that will create an actual "Destination" for Tulsa. A place that people will travel to and expect to spend an entire day seeing different things.
I would like for the Tulsa Art Deco Museum to be in the mix, and a Museum Coalition is in the works and we have been invited to the table. The idea is to have a large foundation set up that serves all the museums in the area, coordinates events, promotions and advertising, even perhaps funding for different projects, etc. However, it seems we, the TADM, are in kind of last come last serve situation lol. But thats ok, we are gonna keep on trucking as if we were not going to get any major funding. I would rather start something, even something small, and hope to build up, versus only waiting and hoping the big funding comes in some day.
I have even been toying with the idea, and your hearing it first here and my board may kill me lol, but its just a thought, with the idea of doing 2 distinct art deco museums that would compliment each other. One being the Tulsa Art Deco Museum as a non-profit, then the second being the DECOPOLIS Art Deco Museum/entertainment/shopping idea as a for-profit museum (which if it made a profit could hopefully help support the TADM). Both types of entities have their pros and cons.
Here is an interesting article on for-profit museums.
http://www.aam-us.org/pubs/mn/forprofitmuseum.cfm
If I had thought of it in the first place, I may have gone with the for profit museum right off the bat. BUT, there is no guarantee that it would work. So perhaps by taking both approaches, at least one may take off. We may get the million dollar donation to get the TADM going some day, and we can continue plugging along starting small and growing upwards, and or perhaps the more fun DECOPOLIS idea could make it. It wouldn't hurt to have two art deco related destinations, along with our fantastic architecture, to create a little synergy.
One of the reasons I have had to consider splitting my original idea into two parts was, well, pesky little legal stuff. I can't be on the board of the the very museum that might be selling my artwork with me also hoping to make some profit on that artwork (all of the stuff I have done so far has been paid for by me, like the Christmas Cards, then the totality of the sales have gone to the museum effort) or that would have a business of mine in it (shop, cafe, whatever,). I couldn't have a shop of mine, in the museum I am on the board of. They would have to be two distinct entities, or I would have to resign and be an "advisor". To be putting SOOO much time, work and money into a project with no real or legal prospect of any return can kind of take some of the wind out of ones sails. I would like to have a little more motivation than purely, "wouldn't this be great for the city to have". I can enjoy using my creativity and talents on both types of efforts, while also giving my entrepreneurial, big dreams side (I wanna be the Deco, Walt Disney of Tulsa, thing lol) an outlet with the for-profit idea. Just me playing around with possibilities right now though.
As an architect, I would hope the Art Deco museum would primarily focus on the architecture of that period as well as the influences (roaring 20's, oil boom, etc). And of course be located in one of our Art Deco gems. The ONG building first floor would be an amazing location IMO.
Just read a blurb on the TulsaWorld website that BOK is donating land in the Brady district for the museum.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110510_11_0_TheBan447599&rss_lnk=1
This was from the Tulsa Chamber's Monday Memo - provides a few new tidbits of information:
Oklahoma Museum of Music and Popular Culture comes to center stage, brings widespread support
The Chamber is seeking local and legislative support for the Oklahoma Museum of Music and Popular Culture, a 67,000 square-foot museum dedicated to the creative spirit of Oklahomans.
With a potential site identified in the downtown Brady Arts District, the OK POP Museum has quickly become less of an idea, and more of a hot issue.
The two major motivational factors for establishing the museum are simple: honor the people and culture of Oklahoma, and give Tulsa another economic impact gem similar to ONEOK Field and the BOK Center.
According to the Chamber's economist, Bob Ball, the economic impact could be as much as $56.5 million in the first year of construction, which would also create approximately 213 jobs supporting another 178 jobs. Ball estimates the museum, once up and running, will create 549 jobs, ranging from food service and restaurants to museum staff. These 549 jobs would support an additional 187 positions. Plus, total sales taxes are estimated at $1.8 million.
On top of job growth and local economic impact, the museum's ability to attract visitors and guests would bring an additional boost to the economy, something Lt. Gov. Todd Lamb mentioned at the Chamber's Legislative Briefing Breakfast last Friday. Lamb said the museum's conference alone would bring an additional economic impact.
"Tourism is the third highest grossing industry in our state," said Lamb. "We beat Texas in football; we need to beat them in economic development."
Stories featured in the museum will include Wild West Shows, movies, radio, television, illustration, literature, and Route 66 - all connected to a sense of time and place through the language of music. The OK Pop will be built and managed by the Oklahoma Historical Society, a statewide organization that opened the Smithsonian-affiliated Oklahoma History Center five years ago.
The Oklahoma Historical Society is requesting the $40 million bond issue from the State of Oklahoma, which will be matched by an $8 million private fundraising campaign, which has already been launched with a $1 million challenge grant from the George Kaiser Family Foundation.
As the state delegation weighs bond issues that support the Oklahoma City region, museum advocates are pushing for equal consideration of Tulsa and the OK POP Museum.
"This project is not about Tulsa, but about Oklahomans being proud of Oklahomans," said Mike Neal, president and CEO. "This is a state rich in creative talent and Oklahomans should proudly display its impact on the music and entertainment industries."
Oklahomans like Kristen Chenoweth, Reba McIntyre, Vince Gill and so many others have already pledged their support of the museum, giving the local donations and support a much greater impact.
"Investing in Oklahoma's future now by supporting the OK Pop project will help us leap-frog past states in which we compete for jobs, workforce, and citizens," said Mike Neal, Tulsa Metro Chamber President and CEO. "The return on investment is measured in tax dollars, but this is a top-tier project intended to reinforce our image as a top-tier state in which to do business, visit, work, and raise a family."
And, just like clockwork, it happens again. Oklahoma City takes priority over Tulsa. Screenshot from the Tulsa World:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2353/5707543438_be25d7d09a_b.jpg)
When are Tulsa's leaders going to stand up to this kind of belligerent malice? When will we tire of always bowing to Oklahoma City's needs when it stifles our own progress?
Heartland Flyer, 1997 - "We need Tulsa's support to make this happen, and we promise that within 10 years, Tulsa will have passenger rail service, too!" "Thanks for your support. We like our rail line but it's too expensive to extend it to Tulsa. Sorry!"
Low-water dams - "We'll give y'all a bunch of money if you vote to sell bonds for the American Indian museum in OKC.... Sike!"
John Hope Franklin Reconciliation Park - "We think it's our duty to help fund a reconciliation park. We'll give $3 million if the City of Tulsa can afford $1 million" .. "Well, it's a tight budget year and next year's not looking so good. Guess you'll just have to pay for it yourself."
OSU Medical Center - "You all want healthcare? Why don't you come down to the 14-square-block OU Med Center in OKC. It serves the whole state, don't ya know..." "Well, if George Kaiser will front $5 mil and the City of Tulsa fronts a couple million, I guess we'll throw in some pocket change."
Pop culture museum - "We're including this in a bond package that would give the pop culture museum and the American Indian museum in OKC money" ... "Actually, the OKC project takes priority over anything in Tulsa. Even though we awarded $25 million to the OKC museum two years ago, they need more and you don't need anything."
I'm sick of it.
Well at least it's a clear statement. It's no hinting or false promises.
Per The OKC governor, Tulsa is not on the top of her list.
Quote from: dsjeffries on May 10, 2011, 11:20:05 AM
When are Tulsa's leaders going to stand up to this kind of belligerent malice? When will we tire of always bowing to Oklahoma City's needs when it stifles our own progress?
Until we have a Governor from Tulsa that will stand up for the cause, we will always play second fiddle to OKC in the minds of the state's leadership in OKC. They hate Tulsa and, as it has been done for over a hundred years, Tulsa will continue to do things on its own. They realize that better funding things in Tulsa would make us much larger and more powerful than OKC, and they don't want that to happen.
The funding of a state museum is one thing, but what they have done to us with regard to higher education and public healthcare has done a lot of damage. Tulsa desperately needs a well-funded, comprehensive 4 year state university and a well-funded state hospital branch. OSU fulfills both of those requirements and could be a
HUGE economic engine for the city, but currently it's not...
Quote from: Townsend on May 10, 2011, 11:36:14 AM
Well at least it's a clear statement. It's no hinting or false promises.
Per The OKC governor, Tulsa is not on the top of her list.
I didn't vote for her. I guess the state gets what we deserve.
Quote from: Townsend on May 10, 2011, 11:36:14 AM
Well at least it's a clear statement. It's no hinting or false promises.
Honesty, or arrogance?
She's only governor because the anti-Sharia Law measure on the same ballot brought out the crazies.
Quote from: riverman on May 06, 2011, 02:06:55 PM
it is located between Boston and Cincinnati between Archer and the tracks. Just north of Jazz Hall adjacent to the Boston Bridge.
Per today's TW article, this is the site that will be donated by BOK if the state approves the funding. If it happens that will be a nice cluster of activity with lots of new projects in that general vicinity.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110510_11_0_TheBan447599 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110510_11_0_TheBan447599)
Quote from: SXSW on May 10, 2011, 09:10:40 AM
As an architect, I would hope the Art Deco museum would primarily focus on the architecture of that period as well as the influences (roaring 20's, oil boom, etc). And of course be located in one of our Art Deco gems. The ONG building first floor would be an amazing location IMO.
Part of my idea for the museum would be for it to have an architectural streetscape inside. Each "building" or shop would have an example of some style of art deco architecture. Some of the facades could be of some of the buildings we have lost in Tulsa, others would incorporate some of the most fanciful and interesting designs from around the world. Then in each shop along those interior streets, we would create fun displays in the windows (General Store, Grocery Store, Toy Store, Womens and a Mens Clothing stores, Car sales and Repair Shop, Motorcyle shop, Bycycle shop, Travel, Home Furnishings, Music, Art, Sporting Goods, Movie Theater, Speakeasy, Burlesque, Restaurants, etc.) all done in the deco style, and showcasing "deco era" goods, colorful advertisements, etc. No matter what your interest or likes, there would surely be something that would be right up your alley.
Speaking of the ONG building. Thats where we had our Deco Ball this year. Here is the stage, before the musicians set up, that we made out of sheets of styrofoam, tinfoil, glitter and wood lol.
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4103/decoball2011015.jpg)
And here is the start of a little building facade that I made while trapped inside during the snowstorm. Its made of screen doors, styrofoam, stuccoe and paint. I had to make something that was lightweight and could be folded up, but in the actual museum we would make them much nicer and more realistic. This one I can still enhance by adding glass, a front door in the center, a canopy and second floor with windows that are lighted, and bring out the gold parts by adding shadows to the depth and highlights to the high points of the sculpted designs. But hey, its a start and the whole thing only cost us a couple hundred dollars. Imagine what I could do with a couple thousand.
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/498/decoball2011106.jpg)
(http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/3273/decoball2011037.jpg)
Here are some of the items I brought from my own collection. I have a collection of Art Deco pitchers. Its amazing how even common household items can be wonderful works of Art Deco art. Sorry you can only see the white ones and not the black.
(http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/1930/decoball2011photos.jpg)
Couple other pics at the Deco Ball in the ONG building.
Magician working the tables.
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/731/decoball2011065.jpg)
Costume Contest
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8336/decoball2011081.jpg)
Getting people out on the dance floor for a quick dance lesson.
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2016/decoball2011032.jpg)
Quote from: SXSW on May 10, 2011, 11:47:29 AM
Until we have a Governor from Tulsa that will stand up for the cause, we will always play second fiddle to OKC in the minds of the state's leadership in OKC. They hate Tulsa and, as it has been done for over a hundred years, Tulsa will continue to do things on its own. They realize that better funding things in Tulsa would make us much larger and more powerful than OKC, and they don't want that to happen.
The funding of a state museum is one thing, but what they have done to us with regard to higher education and public healthcare has done a lot of damage. Tulsa desperately needs a well-funded, comprehensive 4 year state university and a well-funded state hospital branch. OSU fulfills both of those requirements and could be a HUGE economic engine for the city, but currently it's not...
I agree. I think the Tulsa Chamber has done a good job in the last year promoting Tulsa's interests to state legislators, but why should THEY be forced to be the ones actually lobbying for Tulsa? Legislators from Tulsa-area districts should be fighting this fight, too, and sadly, they're not.
Higher education and healthcare are vital parts of any city, as is transportation (let us remember that Largent and Coburn denied federal funds to rebuild I-44 through Tulsa and awarded it to the I-40 project in OKC in 1998), and the State Legislature has outright refused to support those things in Tulsa.
Here's the full text of the Tulsa World article from today (link (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110510_16_A1_CUTLIN348706)):
QuoteOklahoma City museum takes priority over Tulsa's proposed museum, Fallin says
OKLAHOMA CITY - Gov. Mary Fallin said the lateness of the legislative session and a budget hole of about $500 million would hamper efforts to provide a $40 million state bond issue for a proposed museum in Tulsa.
Fallin said she is aware of no legislation calling for a bond issue to help fund construction of the Oklahoma Museum of Music and Popular Culture in Tulsa's Brady Arts District.
The governor supports a proposal for a bond issue to finish the American Indian Cultural Center and Museum in Oklahoma City.
While the Tulsa museum is a relatively new concept, the American Indian Cultural Center and Museum has been discussed for 20 years, she said.
"It needs to be completed," Fallin said Monday. "It is embarrassing not to have it finished. It would certainly not help Oklahoma City or the state of Oklahoma to have a vacant facility sitting on the river after so much money has been invested."
However, the governor said if the House and Senate send her legislation calling for a bond issue for the Tulsa project, she would be open to the idea. The Legislature must adjourn by May 27.
"That is going to be up to the House and Senate," Fallin said. "We have about 2 1/2 weeks left in the legislative session." She said the Tulsa museum is a very interesting idea that would attract people to the state.
She said the state has a long list of performers who have made great contributions, such as Garth Brooks, Vince Gill and Wanda Jackson, among others.
Construction on the American Indian Cultural Center and Museum began in April 2006, said Shoshana Wasserman, director of marketing and public relations.
The overall project calls for about a 210-acre development that includes a museum, park, green space, commercial development and a visitors center.
It is near the junction of Interstates 35 and 40 on the Oklahoma River, east of downtown.
Its target opening is 2015, depending on funding, she said.
Sen. Brian Crain, R-Tulsa, said the Oklahoma Museum of Music and Popular Culture would be the crowning jewel of the Brady District.
"We are in a tight budget year; but at the same time we are worrying about funding today's problems, the idea of starting a bond issue that will not require tax dollars for two years is very attractive," Crain said.
The Oklahoma Historical Society will announce property acquisition for the Oklahoma Museum of Music and Popular Culture at a 3 p.m. press conference Tuesday at the state Capitol.
Also, from a story done by KOTV, (link (http://www.newson6.com/story/14616880/bok-committed-to-land-for-tulsa-pop-culture-museum)):
Quote...Blackburn said it's now a political question as to whether they get the votes for the bond issue. "I don't need another museum. I need an institutional home in Tulsa, to deliver our services in this area," Blackburn told City Councilors.
Blackburn said he's been asked by legislators why not put the collection in Oklahoma City, but the Historical Society wants something in Tulsa...
Emphasis on the bolded text. You all are right; it's blatantly said by our legislators that Tulsa shouldn't get anything. Tulsa's representatives need to take a stand.
It is unclear to me why the American Indian Cultural Center is out of funding before it is completed. The state already kicked in its share. Was the rest supposed to be raised privately? If so, why was this facility started without all of the necessary funding lined up? They made a stupid decision, can't privately raise all the funds they need and now the State has to bail them out? The building should stand half completed as a monument to stupidity.
As for the lack of support from the Governor, the other candiate was from OKC and wouldn't have any greater concern for the needs/interests of Tulsa than the one we've got. And the last Governor from Tulsa called Tulsans dumb for not electing his wife to Congress.
Quote from: dsjeffries on May 10, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
I agree. I think the Tulsa Chamber has done a good job in the last year promoting Tulsa's interests to state legislators, but why should THEY be forced to be the ones actually lobbying for Tulsa? Legislators from Tulsa-area districts should be fighting this fight, too, and sadly, they're not.
Biggest reason they should be lobbying is because they receive $2.5 million a year or so from the (taxpayers) City Of Tulsa to do just that.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1952827/metro-chamber-09-10-contracts-pdf-9-9-meg?da=y
(link borrowed from this previous conversation about our bureau and uncloaking what it is they actually do for the city http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=15671.0 )
I agree our legislators have been impotent for years in fighting for our fair share. With all the great corporate citizens in OKC, I'm sure Gov. Fallin could find someone to help pony up the money to complete the Indian Center.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 10, 2011, 03:05:25 PM
Biggest reason they should be lobbying is because they receive $2.5 million a year or so from the (taxpayers) City Of Tulsa to do just that.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1952827/metro-chamber-09-10-contracts-pdf-9-9-meg?da=y
(link borrowed from this previous conversation about our bureau and uncloaking what it is they actually do for the city http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=15671.0 )
I agree our legislators have been impotent for years in fighting for our fair share. With all the great corporate citizens in OKC, I'm sure Gov. Fallin could find someone to help pony up the money to complete the Indian Center.
The AICCM should've been built in Tulsa in the first place. OKC does not have the Indian history that Tulsa and eastern Oklahoma do. But it's a done deal, and it will be an amazing museum once finished. It is a very interesting design, that's for sure.
Tulsa is the arts/music capital of the state, and the region, and is more deserving of a pop culture/music museum. Really wish they would resurrect DFest and Overground Film Festival for those same reasons..
Quote from: SXSW on May 10, 2011, 03:24:16 PM
The AICCM should've been built in Tulsa in the first place. OKC does not have the Indian history that Tulsa and eastern Oklahoma do. But it's a done deal, and it will be an amazing museum once finished. It is a very interesting design, that's for sure.
Tulsa is the arts/music capital of the state, and the region, and is more deserving of a pop culture/music museum. Really wish they would resurrect DFest and Overground Film Festival for those same reasons..
Perhaps that could become a great argument for putting the museum here if it would help bring back those festivals. I didn't care for DFest but I saw how the organizers treated certain business people down there so my opinion might be jaded by a prejudice toward the promoters.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 10, 2011, 03:05:25 PM
Biggest reason they should be lobbying is because they receive $2.5 million a year or so from the (taxpayers) City Of Tulsa to do just that.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1952827/metro-chamber-09-10-contracts-pdf-9-9-meg?da=y
(link borrowed from this previous conversation about our bureau and uncloaking what it is they actually do for the city http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=15671.0 )
I agree our legislators have been impotent for years in fighting for our fair share. With all the great corporate citizens in OKC, I'm sure Gov. Fallin could find someone to help pony up the money to complete the Indian Center.
The Chamber could get behind any number of local projects. Example, the "Art Deco Museum".
This and others would spur new development and and possibly take our economic development in a new direction.
Something I found interesting lately, the new "Planning Director" also has the the responsibility of Economic Development. Mr Bunny's old job.
This could prove to be a very suitable marriage of duties with the "PlanitTulsa" implimentation.
The budget, the Chamber has, from the Hotel Motel Tax is obscene for what we get.
I borrowed this link from a previous thread.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3254122/chamberofcommerce06-08-08-16-pdf-november-7-2011-7-13-pm-80k?da=y
Quote from: shaddow on May 10, 2011, 10:51:43 AM
Just read a blurb on the TulsaWorld website that BOK is donating land in the Brady district for the museum.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110510_11_0_TheBan447599&rss_lnk=1
This building I'm guessing
http://g.co/maps/wzyzf
which I always thought would make decent retail
Quote from: RecycleMichael on May 06, 2011, 11:21:59 AM
I think it has a good chance. The Legislature is going to approve a big bond issue this year and they are going to throw in a few perks to get our support.
I have a lot of faith in this Blackburn fellow. He seems to be able to talk their language and get museums built.
It looks like my faith was well-placed.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120522_11_0_OKLAHO192488
Panels sign off on funding for Capitol repairs; Tulsa, Oklahoma City cultural centers
By WAYNE GREENE World Senior Writer
Published: 5/22/2012 10:29 AM
OKLAHOMA CITY -- Two legislative panels have signed off on a bond issue for the proposed popular culture museum for downtown Tulsa.
The committees OK'd a $20 million bond for the Tulsa project, $22.5 million less than supporters had asked for.
The panels also approved a $200 million bond issue for repairs to the state Capitol and surrounding buildings and a $40 million bond for the half-built Native American Cultural Center in Oklahoma City.
The three bills now go to the full House and Senate for consideration.
During the Senate committee's consideration of the Tulsa project, Senate President Pro Tem Brian Bingman said the rest of the $22.5 million to fund the OKPOP Museum will have to be raised privately. Earlier in the day, Oklahoma Historical Society Executive Director Bob Blackburn had said he hoped to come back to the Legislature for the rest of the money needed for the museum next year.
Rep. David Dank, R-Oklahoma City, said both the Tulsa and Oklahoma City projects were needed.
"We can't have the Native American Cultural Center sit there and rot or whatever," Dank said. "I'm equally enthused, if not more so, for the POP Center in Tulsa."
The Oklahoma City project has benefitted from three previous bond issues, totaling $63 million.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120522_11_0_OKLAHO192488
I have faith the bill for the pop museum will not pass as easily as the OKC bills.
At least it made it to a floor vote. I didn't think it would get that far.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on May 22, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
It looks like my faith was well-placed.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120522_11_0_OKLAHO192488
Panels sign off on funding for Capitol repairs; Tulsa, Oklahoma City cultural centers
By WAYNE GREENE World Senior Writer
Published: 5/22/2012 10:29 AM
OKLAHOMA CITY -- Two legislative panels have signed off on a bond issue for the proposed popular culture museum for downtown Tulsa.
The committees OK'd a $20 million bond for the Tulsa project, $22.5 million less than supporters had asked for.
The panels also approved a $200 million bond issue for repairs to the state Capitol and surrounding buildings and a $40 million bond for the half-built Native American Cultural Center in Oklahoma City.
The three bills now go to the full House and Senate for consideration.
During the Senate committee's consideration of the Tulsa project, Senate President Pro Tem Brian Bingman said the rest of the $22.5 million to fund the OKPOP Museum will have to be raised privately. Earlier in the day, Oklahoma Historical Society Executive Director Bob Blackburn had said he hoped to come back to the Legislature for the rest of the money needed for the museum next year.
Rep. David Dank, R-Oklahoma City, said both the Tulsa and Oklahoma City projects were needed.
"We can't have the Native American Cultural Center sit there and rot or whatever," Dank said. "I'm equally enthused, if not more so, for the POP Center in Tulsa."
The Oklahoma City project has benefitted from three previous bond issues, totaling $63 million.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120522_11_0_OKLAHO192488
Well thanks a bucking pant-load for rewarding the proven ineptitude by those responsible for the Indian center in OKC while shorting Tulsa by $20 mil. They should have granted the OKC cultural center $20 mil contingent on matching funding or absolutely ZERO and make them go begging.
GRRRRRR.
Sorry folks, someone needs a drink after having three Mondays so far this week.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 22, 2012, 08:46:12 PM
Sorry folks, someone needs a drink Marshall's after having three Mondays so far this week.
Three Mondays compressed into two days or was Saturday followed by a Monday too?
Quote from: Conan71 on May 22, 2012, 08:46:12 PM
Well thanks a bucking pant-load for rewarding the proven ineptitude by those responsible for the Indian center in OKC while shorting Tulsa by $20 mil. They should have granted the OKC cultural center $20 mil contingent on matching funding or absolutely ZERO and make them go begging.
GRRRRRR.
Sorry folks, someone needs a drink after having three Mondays so far this week.
Hence my post earlier about my dislike (ok, hate) for ANYTHING OKC related.
That of course excludes the CMC... ;D
Quote from: Hoss on May 22, 2012, 09:45:22 PM
Hence my post earlier about my dislike (ok, hate) for ANYTHING OKC related.
That of course excludes the CMC... ;D
I like what you did there ;)
Red, today was a Twosday. Two Mondays in one day. First issue was a customer who went totally dumbshit on a warranty issue and another was finding out a piece of equipment will now be five weeks late via a totally preventable SNAFU on my end and the vendor's end. Don't even ask how a start up down in cattle country went yesterday. :-\
Quote from: Conan71 on May 22, 2012, 10:22:13 PM
I like what you did there ;)
Red, today was a Twosday. Two Mondays in one day. First issue was a customer who went totally dumbshit on a warranty issue and another was finding out a piece of equipment will now be five weeks late via a totally preventable SNAFU on my end and the vendor's end. Don't even ask how a start up down in cattle country went yesterday. :-\
Everyday for me has been a Monday since about, oh, March 1st...but I deal with it as I come. Short weeks for the last three and next two help a little.
It sucks having no control over what vendors do that affect the work you do. My vendors are typically state DMVs. All 50 of em. They like to make changes to their systems without advance warning. We usually find out about it when our customers call in and say, 'hey, what's the deal?'...
This outcome is infuriating as it is probably the worst possible outcome of all. Despite a track record of ineptitude and $60 million in past state money, OKC gets its full $40 million request and Tulsa gets less than 1/2 and told to go raise the rest privately. Now Tulsa legislators are in a tough spot - vote against the OKC money knowing that will doom the Tulsa money, or vote for it knowing that we are getting screwed over (and who's to say Tulsa will get even 1/2 if OKC gets its money). If this passes, we should use the $20 million to build a giant statue of a hand with its middle finger raised towards OKC.
Quote from: DTowner on May 23, 2012, 10:33:57 AM
This outcome is infuriating as it is probably the worst possible outcome of all. Despite a track record of ineptitude and $60 million in past state money, OKC gets its full $40 million request and Tulsa gets less than 1/2 and told to go raise the rest privately. Now Tulsa legislators are in a tough spot - vote against the OKC money knowing that will doom the Tulsa money, or vote for it knowing that we are getting screwed over (and who's to say Tulsa will get even 1/2 if OKC gets its money). If this passes, we should use the $20 million to build a giant statue of a hand with its middle finger raised towards OKC.
I don't think they'll cut off our nose to spite our face.
I'll tell you what I like about this... at the end of the day, I think this gets done. There are too many smart and powerful people behind it... (GKFF)
And what will be nice is that while those idiots down the turnpike are still fumbling around trying to get that money pit of a N.A. museum up and running, we'll be quietly be going about our business over here and creating another world-class museum.
And we'll do it in spite of getting screwed over by the legislature in favor of OKC for like the 10,000th time.
It will make it all that more satisfying when the OKPOP museum is a major hub in one of the absolute best A&E districts in the region.
Quote from: Jeff P on May 23, 2012, 11:30:30 AM
I don't think they'll cut off our nose to spite our face.
I'll tell you what I like about this... at the end of the day, I think this gets done. There are too many smart and powerful people behind it... (GKFF)
And what will be nice is that while those idiots down the turnpike are still fumbling around trying to get that money pit of a N.A. museum up and running, we'll be quietly be going about our business over here and creating another world-class museum.
And we'll do it in spite of getting screwed over by the legislature in favor of OKC for like the 10,000th time.
It will make it all that more satisfying when the OKPOP museum is a major hub in one of the absolute best A&E districts in the region.
LIKE +1
Quote from: Jeff P on May 23, 2012, 11:30:30 AM
I don't think they'll cut off our nose to spite our face.
I'll tell you what I like about this... at the end of the day, I think this gets done. There are too many smart and powerful people behind it... (GKFF)
And what will be nice is that while those idiots down the turnpike are still fumbling around trying to get that money pit of a N.A. museum up and running, we'll be quietly be going about our business over here and creating another world-class museum.
And we'll do it in spite of getting screwed over by the legislature in favor of OKC for like the 10,000th time.
It will make it all that more satisfying when the OKPOP museum is a major hub in one of the absolute best A&E districts in the region.
At this point, it seems more likely that both will fail in the floor vote. But if it passes, we should change the name to "TU POP" since we will pay
for most of it ourselves.
Well, OKPOP made it past the senate, while the OKC money pit didn't.
Perhaps there is some justice, after all....
Senate Defeats Bond Issue for American Indian Cultural and Museum by One Vote (http://newsok.com/senate-defeats-bond-issue-for-american-indian-cultural-center-and-museum-by-one-vote/article/3678013#ixzz1vnPfbpx8)
QuoteShy one vote, the Senate killed the last hope that a $40 million bond issue would be passed this year to complete the American Indian Cultural Center and Museum.
Following more than an hour of debate, Senators whooped and hollered as the vote froze at 24-22. The measure required 25 votes for approval.
Just moments before, a $20 million bond issue was passed 25-21 for a popular culture museum in Tulsa. The Tulsa museum bond issue now heads to the House.
The House also voted yesterday to kill the bond issue for State Capitol repairs. They're considering OKPOP today. Let's hope we've got the votes to get it passed. Call your representative!
Quote from: dsjeffries on May 24, 2012, 09:08:04 AM
Senate Defeats Bond Issue for American Indian Cultural and Museum by One Vote (http://newsok.com/senate-defeats-bond-issue-for-american-indian-cultural-center-and-museum-by-one-vote/article/3678013#ixzz1vnPfbpx8)
The House also voted yesterday to kill the bond issue for State Capitol repairs. They're considering OKPOP today. Let's hope we've got the votes to get it passed. Call your representative!
Jadine Nollan (R) has been notified and asked to approve!
Quote from: carltonplace on May 24, 2012, 11:39:16 AM
Jadine Nollan (R) has been notified and asked to approve!
I actually did the same with my house rep (Eric Proctor).
Quote from: carltonplace on May 24, 2012, 11:39:16 AM
Jadine Nollan (R) has been notified and asked to approve!
This is the response that i received from her last week:
"I received your e-mail regarding the issuance of bonds to fund construction of the OK Pop Museum. I appreciate you taking the time to contact me. I do agree with you and believe it would make a great addition to Tulsa.
It should add value to our state by bringing tourists in from out of state, and ensure an appropriate archiving of an important piece of Oklahoma History.
Again, thank you for contacting me. Feel free to do so on any subject of concern to you. My door is always open.
Representative Jadine Nollan
District 66"
She didn't say that she would vote for it, but at least she agrees that it will be good for Tulsa.
Quote from: dioscorides on May 24, 2012, 11:54:55 AM
This is the response that i received from her last week:
"I received your e-mail regarding the issuance of bonds to fund construction of the OK Pop Museum. I appreciate you taking the time to contact me. I do agree with you and believe it would make a great addition to Tulsa.
It should add value to our state by bringing tourists in from out of state, and ensure an appropriate archiving of an important piece of Oklahoma History.
Again, thank you for contacting me. Feel free to do so on any subject of concern to you. My door is always open.
Representative Jadine Nollan
District 66"
She didn't say that she would vote for it, but at least she agrees that it will be good for Tulsa.
I've emailed my Rep, Sean Roberts, a few times in the last couple weeks and haven't heard anything from him. Based on his past votes, I doubt he'll vote for it, but my fingers are crossed. My senator, Eddie Fields, voted against it yesterday.
Sounds like the votes were not there. It is better to pull it from consideration than have a recorded no vote.
No bonds for OKPOP this year
Courtesy
By WAYNE GREENE World Senior Writer
Published: 5/25/2012 1:49 PM
Last Modified: 5/25/2012 1:49 PM
Tulsa advocates of a proposed popular culture museum for downtown's Brady District have given up hopes for a state bond issue to support the project this year.
"After lengthy discussions and the urgency of other issues on the last day of the legislative session, we believe it is prudent to wait another year before pursuing the state's support to partially fund the OKPOP Museum," said Mike Neal, president and chief executive officer of the Tulsa Metro Chamber. "The good news is private donors and Oklahomans across the state remain excited about the project."
More preliminary work will be done on the project until the issue can be put before lawmakers again, Neal said.
The Tulsa museum was the only one of three contending bond issues to pass the Oklahoma Senate this year. Bond proposals for repairs to the Oklahoma Capitol and a half-built Native American Cultural Center in Oklahoma City failed in Senate votes.
A House vote on the Tulsa project would have sent it to Gov. Mary Fallin, but backers said there was little support in the House for the proposal.
"We go into the summer with renewed optimism to achieve success in next year's session," Neal said.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=336&articleid=20120525_336_0_Tulsaa407364
There is a new museum starting in Downtown, the Tulsa Art Deco Museum. We may be tiny for now, but hey, at least we do exist lol. All we need in order to keep growing and getting better is the occasional dollar or two, the occasional "way to go, good job!" to keep our spirits up, and some volunteers to watch the space for a few hours... and someday, I promise, we will have something really wonderful for Tulsa. ;D
Oh, and Deco Ball tickets, which will help us pay the rent for another year, are still on sale! http://decopolis.net/DecoBall2012.html
and if you missed the TW article from last week.... http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/article.aspx?subjectid=272&articleid=20120517_272_D1_CUTLIN144659
well, this is a surprise:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Senate_committee_passes_funding_for_OKPOP_Indian_center/20130516_13_0_OLHMIY217875?subj=298
Senate committee passes funding for OKPOP, Indian center
By BARBARA HOBEROCK World Capitol Bureau on May 16, 2013, at 5:44 PM
OKLAHOMA CITY — In a surprise move, a Senate panel approved a measure Thursday to fund construction of a popular culture museum in Tulsa and finishing the financially troubled American Indian Cultural Center and Museum in Oklahoma City.
The Senate Joint Committee on Appropriations and Budget passed Senate Bill 1133 that provides $40 million for the Oklahoma Museum of Popular Culture in Tulsa, dubbed OKPOP, to be built in the Brady District.
The funds would come from sales taxes taken out of gross revenues before funds are placed into the general revenue fund. It calls for $5 million in fiscal year 2015, another $5 million in fiscal year 2016, $10 million in fiscal year 2017 and a final apportionment of $20 million in fiscal year 2018.
The measure passed by a vote of 13-12 with little notice given that the OKPOP measure would come up in the committee.
The Legislature is not subject to the notice requirements of the Oklahoma Open Meetings Act because both the House and Senate have exempted themselves from the law.
It now heads to the House Joint Committee on Appropriations and Budget, which is expected to meet next week.
The panel also passed Senate Bill 1132 to provide $40 million to finish the American Indian Cultural Center and Museum, which has been mothballed since last year when lawmakers balked at providing additional bond funds to complete it.
Under the measure, $15 million from use taxes would be diverted from gross revenue in fiscal year 2015, followed by $15 million in fiscal year 2016. A final apportionment of $10 million would be made in fiscal year 2017. Use taxes are paid on out-of-state purchases and online purchases in lieu of sales taxes.
The measure passed by a vote 16-10 and heads to the House Joint Committee on Appropriations and Budget.
Didn't see that coming. Hope it really happens. But, there are a lot of years there ripe and ready for something to go wrong.
Quote from: TheArtist on May 16, 2013, 06:23:09 PM
Didn't see that coming. Hope it really happens. But, there are a lot of years there ripe and ready for something to go wrong.
I can think of a certain Art Deco Museum which could make great use of $40 million.
Lets get this passed! This will be a great asset to the area. It will bring in revenue as well as be an excellent addition to this expanding area! Spread the word, and lets get this passed!! Lets keep up the momentum downtown...things are looking great down there again!!
Quote from: Conan71 on May 16, 2013, 08:59:14 PM
I can think of a certain Art Deco Museum which could make great use of $40 million.
Look at what he has done on a shoe string, with a "pittance"....geez, I bet he could make national news with just a few million!!
Thanks guys. As per the Art Deco Museum, we are making some good progress this year that should position us to feel comfortable with making some bigger requests and moves down the road.
1. We are finally getting enough people involved that we can branch out the work loads into different committees, vs just one small group trying to do everything. May not sound like a big deal, but it is trust me lol.
2. Will be adding a nice new display in the lobby this month, and have a new intern from OSU's Museum Studies program that will be teaming up with the Tulsa Foundation For Architecture to create another great new display focused on Tulsa's Art Deco Architecture. These two, new, larger window displays and some small upgrades to some of the older ones will really flesh out what we have already started and will help us look much more respectable.
3. We have booked the Union Depot for Friday November 8th, as the date for our next big fundraiser/ Deco Ball and Gala. So save the date and come on out to support our efforts! More info, ticket prices, entertainment etc. to come soon.
And hey, we are as always still looking for more volunteers. As a young group we have all kinds of things that we could use help with. No matter what your interest or skill level we can find something that you could do that would be a big help (one thing we really need is a new website that can be accessed and easily updated with new info by several different people. The old one started out great but we are having trouble making changes, only one person could do it and now he or the program, isn't working correctly lol. Learning curve here. ). If you would like to help with ideas and things for the next Deco Ball and Gala let me know and I will get your info to that committee. We can always use more volunteers to watch the Gift Shop & Visitor Center. One day per month for 3 hours is our minimum requirement. It's an easy task and if you know of anyone who might be interested, let me know and I will forward their contact info to our Volunteer Committee.
Thank You All for your Support!
There had been rumors swirling all week at the Capitol about something happening on this issue. While any progress on this is good news, I have a few serious concerns.
1) This barely passed by one vote in the Senate committee and still has to be approved by the whole Senate and then get through the House, where as I recall there was more opposition last year.
2) As predicted, the only way the Oklahoma Pop Museum is going to get any state funding is to pour more money into that giant white elephant at I40 and I35.
3) Worse, the funding payout could leave Tulsa holding the bag. The Indian Museum gets its money front loaded in increments of $15, $15 and $10 in years 2015-2017. Whereas Tulsa gets its money back loaded in increments of $5, $5, $10, and $20 in years 2015-2018. Sounds like the age-old problem of OKC gets its money now with a promise that Tulsa will get taken care of "next year." Of course, next year never seems to come.
4) Even if all of this happens, it means OKC received well over $100 million for a museum and Tulsa received only $40 million.
How can we show support to get this approved? Call Representatives?
If this happens, it'll be great to continue filling the District. On a related note, anyone know who owns the large white warehouse just east of the Philbrook downtown (old Mathews Warehouse)? It should be becoming prime real estate with tons of foottraffic, including a bunch of people who walk by it to get to ballgames. It and the big red warehouse in the Blue Dome district are great spots for retail, living, or anything else really other than industrial or storage.
Quote from: tulsasooner on May 17, 2013, 10:51:44 AM
How can we show support to get this approved? Call Representatives?
Tulsa Chamber's action alert:
http://onevoicetulsa.channeldemocracy.com/alert/view/765
Quote from: DowntownDan on May 17, 2013, 10:58:53 AM
If this happens, it'll be great to continue filling the District. On a related note, anyone know who owns the large white warehouse just east of the Philbrook downtown (old Mathews Warehouse)? It should be becoming prime real estate with tons of foottraffic, including a bunch of people who walk by it to get to ballgames. It and the big red warehouse in the Blue Dome district are great spots for retail, living, or anything else really other than industrial or storage.
I have wondered about that red warehouse for ages. I also wonder about the old office building caddy corner to it.
If you're excited about making the OKPOP a reality, now's the time to act!
Contact your state representative and senator to support OKPOP and SB 1133!
This will be voted on by the House GCCA (General Conference Committee on Appropriations) at 10:30 am on Monday, May 20.
If it passes, it will go to the floor of the Senate on Tues, May 21 and the House on Wed, May 22.
I just confirmed that SB 1133 is the correct bill. (I was confused b/c the language that is posted online has nothing to do with OKPOP.) Here's the explanation I received:
SB 1133 was a shell bill they pulled off the shelf yesterday and the new language has still not been posted. In essence, it would grant the OKPOP $5 mill in FY15, $5 mill in FY16, $10 mill in FY 17, and $20 mill in FY18, or a total of $40 mill over four years. We can make that work and still open in early 2018. The vote in the House GCCA is at 10:30 am on Monday, so notes need to be on their desks early Monday. If passed there, it goes to the floor of the Senate on Tuesday and the floor of the House of Wednesday. I think the general efforts should go specifically from a voter to his or her rep or senator. The message should be to support OKPOP and SB 1133.
Please take a few minutes this weekend and send your state senator and representative a personal email supporting OKPOP and SB 1133.
Then encourage all your facebook friends to do the same!
And here's where you can easily find your Oklahoma state senators and representatives...
http://www.oksenate.gov/FindMyLegislature.aspx? (http://www.oksenate.gov/FindMyLegislature.aspx?)
While OK Pop could be great for Tulsa, I don't like that it appears to only come as a by-product of a bill to finish funding the completely mis-managed Indian Heritage Museum (or whatever the official title is). I say let OKC find private funding to finish that white elephant and we can find our own for OK Pop. I really am sick of Tulsa always having its needs or wants addressed only after those of OKC being met.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 18, 2013, 11:03:53 AM
While OK Pop could be great for Tulsa, I don't like that it appears to only come as a by-product of a bill to finish funding the completely mis-managed Indian Heritage Museum (or whatever the official title is). I say let OKC find private funding to finish that white elephant and we can find our own for OK Pop. I really am sick of Tulsa always having its needs or wants addressed only after those of OKC being met.
Sadly it is inevitable that for Tulsa to get state money for OK Pop, OKC will get more money for the mismanaged Indian museum. My bigger concern is that Tulsa's legislators don't get played as they so often have in the past with promises that never come true. That is why I am disturbed that the bill front loads the OKC funding spread over 3 years and back loads the Tulsa funding spread over 4 years. Payouts should be exactly the same.
That's a real concern imo. They get their museum and poof! The money for ours suddenly dries up. Its like, "You can be my boyfriend till my husband gets out of prison...".
The state should accept an upfront loan from the Tulsa Community Foundation for $40 million, no interest. Two good things happen, the facility gets built faster and the state is on the hook contractually for the money.
I believe the Indian museum will be considered as a separate bill: SB1132
Quote from: PonderInc on May 20, 2013, 12:59:02 PM
I believe the Indian museum will be considered as a separate bill: SB1132
If it isn't the OKC anti-logrolling attorney whose name is escaping me will sue and have it thrown out.
Quote from: rdj on May 20, 2013, 01:57:34 PM
If it isn't the OKC anti-logrolling attorney whose name is escaping me will sue and have it thrown out.
Bingo. Jerry Fent.
House Committee approves funding bill for Indian culture center, but takes no vote on Okla. Pop money due to weather.
Indian cultural center funding advances; OK POP museum bill vote delayed
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer on May 21, 2013, at 2:24 AM Updated on 5/21/13 at 6:39 AM
Senate OK's measure to tap rainy day fund for tornado relief
Senate Bill 249 would provide up to $45 million from the fund, which contains nearly $600 million.
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OKLAHOMA CITY - A bill that would channel $40 million to the mothballed American Indian Cultural Center made it through a House of Representatives committee Monday, but a vote on a similar bill for the proposed OK POP museum in Tulsa was postponed because of the weather.
Senate Bill 1132 by Sen. Clark Jolley, R-Edmond, prevailed in the House Joint Appropriations and Budget committee by a count of 13-10, meaning a likely floor vote later this week.
"I promise there will never be another dime asked for here," said J. Blake Wade, who was brought in by the museum's governing board two years ago to try to save the struggling project.
Members of the committee were far from convinced. The museum's cost overruns and the manner in which the funding scheme was hatched in the final days of the legislative session prompted a steady fire of questions, directed at Wade and others by committee Chairman Scott Martin, R-Norman, and Vice Chairman Tom Newell, R-Seminole.
"I found out about it Thursday afternoon on the floor (of the House) while it was being heard in Senate committee," Martin said.
When Rep. Chuck Hoskin, D-Vinita, remarked that he "might be the only person in this room surprised by this," Martin and Wade quickly said they, too, were caught off guard.
"We heard about something like this a couple of weeks ago, but we thought it was dead," Newell said.
More than $90 million has been invested in the museum, of which $67 million has come from taxpayers. The museum is far from completed and has been in mothballs since funding ran out last year.
Wade said just maintaining the site and meeting debt payments costs $52,000 a month.
Twelve of 17 Republicans on the committee joined one Democrat, Joe Dorman of Rush Springs, in the majority. The opposition was evenly divided between parties.
The Democratic caucus announced before the Monday morning committee meeting that it would oppose funding both the Indian Cultural Center and the Oklahoma Museum of Popular Culture unless raises for state employees are addressed.
State employees have not had cost-of-living adjustments in six years.
The committee's three Tulsa-area legislators - Democrats Eric Proctor and Jeannie McDaniel and Republican Weldon Watson - voted against the bill.
Wade said he has pledges for $40 million in private funding, including $28 million from the state's Indian tribes, to match the state's $40 million.
The funding would be taken out of use-tax revenue for three years beginning July 1, 2014.
A bill with a similar funding mechanism for OK POP was to be presented Monday afternoon, but the House adjourned early because of the weather. It was not clear when the committee would next meet.
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Had that tornado been further north and gutted the Indian Cultural Center it would have solved that problem for good.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 21, 2013, 03:37:34 PM
Had that tornado been further north and gutted the Indian Cultural Center it would have solved that problem for good.
Hardly, we'd be paying to rebuild the whole thing bigger than before.
Just Okie politics as usual...only the names and the amounts have been changed to positively identify the involved...
sigh...
QuoteState backs off plans for Tulsa popular culture museum
By WAYNE GREENE World Senior Writer on May 21, 2013, at 1:32 PM
OKLAHOMA CITY – Backers of a proposed popular culture museum for downtown Tulsa have given up on their plans for the year, saying it would be inappropriate to proceed with their plans amid the tragedy of the Moore tornado.
"We need to be thinking first of our fellow Oklahomans who have suffered from this devastating disaster," said Bob Blackburn, executive director of the Oklahoma Historical Society. "I have talked to board members, private donors and supporters who have pledged matching resources for the museum, and they are in total agreement. This is the time to grieve and rally around those who need our help."
A state House budget committee was on the verge of considering plans to commit $40 million in state use tax to the project over a four-year period starting next year when the storm struck.
The committee approved Monday a companion plan to fund the same amount for the half-built American Indian Cultural Center in Oklahoma and had broken for lunch, planning to return to consider the OKPOP museum plan when the tornado struck.
"Due to the unfolding tragedy facing our friends and neighbors in the Moore and Shawnee communities, we agree this is the best course of action," said Mike Neal, president and CEO of the Tulsa Regional Chamber of Commerce. "We applaud Gov. Fallin, the Legislature and other state leaders for their diligent attention to ensuring any and all state resources are focused on assisting the victims of this terrible tragedy."
Blackburn said the issue won't be revived this year, but backers will continue to pursue it next year.
"I will never give up personally," Blackburn said. "We've got a dream that can work."
But I suppose it ISN'T inappropriate to spend $40 million instead 11 miles away from the epcicenter of the damage itself. ::)
Quote from: LeGenDz on May 22, 2013, 03:11:24 AM
But I suppose it ISN'T inappropriate to spend $40 million instead 11 miles away from the epcicenter of the damage itself. ::)
This is outrageous. By what logic must Okla. Pop be put on hold while the Indian cultural center goes forward? How is the Oklahoma legislature doing its job by considering and voting on legislation interfering with our concern for those who have suffered in Moore? If money is the issue, the Indian center is getting much more money up front and will interfere with recovery efforts far more than the $5 million that would have gone to Tulsa. Without the quid pro quo of linking the two together, what are the chances there will be the votes for Okla. Pop next year? I would say less than 20%. Tulsa gets played again.
Quote from: DTowner on May 22, 2013, 09:16:39 AM
This is outrageous. By what logic must Okla. Pop be put on hold while the Indian cultural center goes forward? How is the Oklahoma legislature doing its job by considering and voting on legislation interfering with our concern for those who have suffered in Moore? If money is the issue, the Indian center is getting much more money up front and will interfere with recovery efforts far more than the $5 million that would have gone to Tulsa. Without the quid pro quo of linking the two together, what are the chances there will be the votes for Okla. Pop next year? I would say less than 20%. Tulsa gets played again.
It would be nice if capital projects went through the state like they go through the city/county. Make a package, get a vote.
That's amazing how the folks at the Indian Cultural Center were able to conjure a tornado and squash Tulsa's dreams once again.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 22, 2013, 11:15:58 AM
That's amazing how the folks at the Indian Cultural Center were able to conjure a tornado and squash Tulsa's dreams once again.
It has to do with "The Spirit World".
Did you see the size of that chicken?
Tornadoes in Moore were terrible, and I understand the decision to put the people of Moore first, but am still really disappointed this decision will be put off another year. Sad situation all around.
Anyone think they didn't have the votes so this was a gracious way of announcing that fate? Allow the state legislature to save some face?
I was disappointed that Jeannie McDaniel and Eric Proctor voted against in committee. I had sent each of them a personal e-mail the day before pushing for support. Their reasons were genuine and just wanted to oppose such spending on wishes when there is so many needs.
Interesting for Tulsa area democrats to vote no on a spending proposal, especially one that is so close to their districts.
Quote from: rdj on May 22, 2013, 02:46:36 PM
Interesting for Tulsa area democrats to vote no on a spending proposal, especially one that is so close to their districts.
I believe the Democratic caucus opposed both bills unless and until all Oklahoma state employees got a salary increase.
Quote from: DTowner on May 22, 2013, 03:19:59 PM
I believe the Democratic caucus opposed both bills unless and until all Oklahoma state employees got a salary increase.
yes. That was the stated reason.
So if the vote had taken place before lunch it would have been on different footing? Doesn't make sense. Was this going to be an approval for OKC and a denial for Tulsa? That is so unfair its hard to even comprehend.
This is crap. If their motives are true then they'll revoke OKC's money as well.
Under the heading of pesky facts:
Backers of two Oklahoma museum projects hustling to get state funding in the last days of the session withdrew their requests Tuesday because of deadly tornadoes that struck the state this week.
"Due to the unfolding tragedy facing our friends and neighbors in the Moore and Shawnee communities, we agree this is the best course of action," Mike Neal, president and chief executive officer of the Tulsa Regional Chamber of Commerce, a supporter of the Oklahoma Museum of Popular Culture, commonly called OK Pop. "We applaud Gov. (Mary) Fallin, the Legislature and other state leaders for their diligent attention to ensuring any and all state resources are focused on assisting the victims of this terrible tragedy."
Blake Wade, executive director of the Native American Education Authority, which is trying to complete the American Indian Cultural Center and Museum, agreed that legislators should put their attention on the needs of those suffering from Sunday's tornado in Shawnee and Monday's tornado that caused extensive damage and multiple deaths in Moore." http://newsok.com/oklahoma-tornadoes-backers-of-oklahoma-museum-projects-withdraw-funding-requests/article/3828419 (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-tornadoes-backers-of-oklahoma-museum-projects-withdraw-funding-requests/article/3828419)
Quote from: Oil Capital on May 22, 2013, 09:13:29 PM
American Indian Cultural Center and Museum, agreed that legislators should put their attention on the needs of those suffering from Sunday's tornado in Shawnee and Monday's tornado
Is that the same as giving up the money for the OKC projects for a while? Does it just mean that, yes, the money to be destined for the Tulsa projects should be delayed?
Quote from: Oil Capital on May 22, 2013, 09:13:29 PM
Under the heading of pesky facts:
At the time of the withdrawal, OKC was approved and Tulsa wasn't. Pesky fact.
Another pesky fact is the quote in yesterday's Tulsa World artice:
"Meanwhile, plans to commit another $40 million to the half-built American Indian Cultural Center in Oklahoma City, which has already consumed $62 million in state bond funding, are moving ahead this year, that effort's leader said."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/OKPOP_backers_put_museum_funding_legislation_on_hold/20130522_11_A15_CUTLIN192764?subj=16&Cont=Cov&Cont=Cov
I think both projects should go forward this year. But if OK Pop gets sidelined, then so should the Indian cultural center.
^ While it is a fact that such quote appeared in the Tulsa World, it appears that the statement made in that quote is not acccurate.
According to the Daily Oklahoman, BOTH PROJECTS HAVE BEEN SIDELINED FOR THIS YEAR.
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-tornadoes-backers-of-oklahoma-museum-projects-withdraw-funding-requests/article/3828419 (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-tornadoes-backers-of-oklahoma-museum-projects-withdraw-funding-requests/article/3828419)
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 22, 2013, 10:28:09 PM
At the time of the withdrawal, OKC was approved and Tulsa wasn't. Pesky fact.
Actually not really a fact at all. At the time of the withdrawal, the OKC funding had been approved by a committee only. Anyone with a basic civics education (even the cartoon version) knows that is a long way from "approved".
More important, that "fact" is totally irrelevant, because it is not going forward.
Quote from: Oil Capital on May 23, 2013, 10:09:49 AM
Actually not really a fact at all. At the time of the withdrawal, the OKC funding had been approved by a committee only. Anyone with a basic civics education (even the cartoon version) knows that is a long way from "approved".
More important, that "fact" is totally irrelevant, because it is not going forward.
I said approved, not funded. The fact the committee past it as is is kinda ludicrous. Less than 10% of funding so far has come from private donors but now they pinky-swear that if they get another $40M, THEN suddenly private will match dollar-for-dollar?
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 23, 2013, 10:08:10 PM
I said approved, not funded. The fact the committee past it as is is kinda ludicrous. Less than 10% of funding so far has come from private donors but now they pinky-swear that if they get another $40M, THEN suddenly private will match dollar-for-dollar?
Maybe you need to watch "How a Bill Becomes Law", so you will understand how passage by a committee of one house does not mean a project has been "approved" in any meaningful sense. The fact is, both museums' funding requests have been withdrawn for the year. The factoid that one museum's funding passed a committee vote is completely irrelevant. Neither was approved by the legislature, let alone signed by the governor. Neither will be approved this year.
Quote from: Oil Capital on May 23, 2013, 11:03:28 PM
Maybe you need to watch "How a Bill Becomes Law", so you will understand how passage by a committee of one house does not mean a project has been "approved" in any meaningful sense. The fact is, both museums' funding requests have been withdrawn for the year. The factoid that one museum's funding passed a committee vote is completely irrelevant. Neither was approved by the legislature, let alone signed by the governor. Neither will be approved this year.
Because this cannot be watched too many times.
Sometimes a dead horse needs one more kick. Apparently the Tulsa World editors are not Schoolhouse Rocks fans and are not aware that the plug has been pulled on the Native American cultural center. This is today's editorial:
OKPOP supporters withdraw request after tornado
By World's Editorials Writers on May 24, 2013, at 2:24 AM Updated on 5/24/13 at 8:36 AM
A plan that would have appropriated $40 million in state funds over three years - to be matched with private funds - to build the OKPOP museum in Tulsa was pulled following the Moore tornado.
"We need to be thinking first of our fellow Oklahomans who have suffered from this devastating disaster," said Bob Blackburn, executive director of the Oklahoma Historical Society. "I have talked to board members, private donors and supporters who have pledged matching resources for the museum, and they are in total agreement. This is the time to grieve and rally around those who need our help."
Earlier, the same House committee that was considering the OKPOP funding voted to add another $40 million to the American Indian Cultural Center in Oklahoma City. Both proposals had already passed a Senate committee.
That center has been a money pit since the day ground was broken. State bond funding has supplied $62 million along with money and land from Oklahoma City as well as some private funding. Its leadership has been questioned by the Legislature, and even with this latest money, its future remains clouded.
Backers of OKPOP say they will be back next year to pursue funding, but the longer this goes the less likely it will happen, especially because the Indian museum has secured its funding.
There is no doubt that the OKPOP backers were aware of the tragedy in Moore, and their decision to back off the funding is admirable.
Supporters might have seen the writing on the wall: OKPOP funding faced tough sledding in the House.
The same cannot be said for the Indian museum. If any plug should have been pulled, it was this one.
Its backers have a chance to join the Tulsa group in delaying the latest state funding in support of the Oklahomans who have suffered in this outbreak of tornadoes.
It would be a grand gesture.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/OKPOP_supporters_withdraw_request_after_tornado/20130524_61_A18_Whethe325353?subj=61&Cont=Cov&Cont=Cov
SIAP:
OKPOP museum starts fundraising for Bob Wills documentary
http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/music/okpop-museum-starts-fundraising-for-bob-wills-documentary/article_7925bc6a-7a39-546d-a08e-cbe814b610dd.html
By JERRY WOFFORD World Scene Writer | 0 comments
Eighty years to the day after Bob Wills' first broadcast from what would be the legendary Cain's Ballroom, his archives are closer than ever to coming back to Tulsa.
To make that final push, officials need a little help from Oklahomans.
A fundraising campaign is launching Sunday to help create the definitive documentary on Wills using his expansive archives that will one day be housed at the proposed Oklahoma Museum of Popular Culture in Tulsa.
"What we're doing now is starting the development of the content," said Jeff Moore, project director for OKPOP. "We've been collecting for several years now. We thought it would be the right time to launch this project. Feb. 9 — 80 years to the day — was Bob Wills' first performance on KVOO."
The planned Wills documentary is the first using material already in the archives of the proposed museum, organized and maintained by the Oklahoma Historical Society.
The museum, which would sit at the corner of Archer Street and Cincinnati Avenue in the Brady Arts District, is waiting on funding via a bond issue from the Oklahoma Legislature. Moore said that the funding method for the building is similar to the Oklahoma History Center in Oklahoma City, where the state provides funds for the construction cost but uses private donations and fundraising for the operation and development of exhibits.
"Once we get the green light from the Legislature, we're going to hit the ground running," Moore said.
And the King of Western Swing seemed like a great place to start, Moore said.
Bob Wills' legacy
Wills' broadcasts on KVOO in Tulsa from Cain's Ballroom would be heard around the world, popularizing a new style of music and making Wills one of the country's biggest pop culture icons in the 1930s and 1940s.
"He was doing rock 'n' roll in the 1930s before anyone in the '50s," said Kevin Meyer, an Oklahoma native and the documentary's director.
"He was one of the best and most well-known bandleaders in the '40s. He used strings in his band and the others didn't. He combined that sound with Dixieland he picked up in Texas."
Wills played on the radio in Texas for several years, but it wasn't until 1934 that Wills, Cain's Ballroom and KVOO became a fixture on radios across the country.
"He was on the radio in Texas, but they were smaller stations," Moore said. "But KVOO was picked up in Pearl Harbor. It really was the launching of him being a national and international fixture."
His style of western swing music, known for its upbeat country-infusion of jazz and blues, was new territory in the music world and became widely popular. And many contemporary artists point to Wills as the seed for their style.
"That music, of course, influenced artists all across the country," Meyer said. "We have so much support from artists today who want to talk about Bob Wills."
Wills relocated to California after World War II where he continued to lead bands and enjoyed success from the Oklahomans who had relocated to California during the Dust Bowl.
He eventually moved back to Oklahoma and Texas before his death in 1975 at age 70.
Take me back to Tulsa
Carolyn Wills and the Wills family maintained a collection of Bob Wills' items and donated the bulk of it to the Oklahoma Historical Society to be later used for the proposed OKPOP Museum.
"It's all the stuff we grew up with," Carolyn Wills said about the collection. "There are hats and coats and a couple of fiddles, but there are also household items like a desk and chair. There's a trunk from the Triple B Ranch in Fresno where I was born, all kinds of trophies, lots of cigar holders."
There is also a large collection of photos and other items from the collection that will be used to make the documentary, the first of six planned by the OKPOP Museum as a way to kick off their content and exhibit development.
"You have all these collections — Leon Russell and Garth Brooks and so many more — the question is, are they going to be in Oklahoma, promoting the creativity and history of popular culture in Oklahoma, or are they going to be in other states?" Moore said.
So by launching the Bob Wills documentary project, organizers are hoping to get Oklahomans to take ownership of their historical influences on the world's culture.
"What we're really hoping to do is rally the state of Oklahoma behind this, not just for the documentary but for the museum," Meyer said. "We want everyone to be involved."
If a bond issue to move forward with the OKPOP Museum passes through the Legislature this year, organizers hope to start work immediately with a completion date sometime in 2018.
Carolyn Wills hopes that with the documentary and public involvement, the OKPOP Museum can be the home for Bob Wills' story, so close to where it all began 80 years ago.
"That's the dream," Carolyn Wills said. "I can't wait to walk in to OKPOP and see all of it."
Jerry Wofford 918-581-8346
jerry.wofford@tulsaworld.com
For more
Learn more about the Bob Wills documentary fundraising campaign and donate at http://bit.ly/OKPOPwills
Learn more about OKPOP Museum, its goals and collections at http://okpop.org