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Title: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: guido911 on May 05, 2009, 08:25:54 AM
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1151ap_us_obama_cinco_de_mayo.html

In a related story, how will the Nittaly Lions football team do this year?
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: brianh on May 05, 2009, 08:33:18 AM
May the fourth be with you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Day)
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: Hoss on May 05, 2009, 09:08:17 AM
Quote from: guido911 on May 05, 2009, 08:25:54 AM
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1151ap_us_obama_cinco_de_mayo.html

In a related story, how will the Nittaly Lions football team do this year?

I wonder if you even do any counseling any more, as much time as you spend on Freep and scanning the web for fodder from our current president.  Did you do this with our previous president?

Oh well.  You're the right-wing version of FOTD I guess....
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: guido911 on May 05, 2009, 11:32:16 AM
And here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHE96OcQHgU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebutasforme%2Ecom%2F2009%2F05%2F05%2Fcinco%2Dde%2Dquatro%2D2%2F&feature=player_embedded

I was reminded on the nets about Obama's "Merci Beaucoup" moment last year. Perhaps he should stick to French.

Just image the field day the press would have if Boosh would have said this, much less Obama's TOTUS moment from last week.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: sgrizzle on May 05, 2009, 02:28:10 PM
While Guido is on a bit of a tear, I do have to say Fair is Fair when griping about missteps in speaking. If it was perfectly fine to ridicule one President for saying "nucular" then you should also ridicule the new one for saying "5th of 4"
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: guido911 on May 05, 2009, 03:12:52 PM
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 05, 2009, 02:28:10 PM
While Guido is on a bit of a tear, I do have to say Fair is Fair when griping about missteps in speaking. If it was perfectly fine to ridicule one President for saying "nucular" then you should also ridicule the new one for saying "5th of 4"

And that's my whole point. There are pages on the nets dedicated to "Bushisms"? Here's one:

http://www.slate.com/id/76886/


Obamaism of the day:

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: USRufnex on May 05, 2009, 09:19:41 PM
Please post any speech or speeches made by the Republican version of Jimmy Carter (aka George W. Bush) that compares to any of these speeches... thanks.

BARACK OBAMA'S
2002 SPEECH
AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR

http://obamaspeeches.com/001-2002-Speech-Against-the-Iraq-War-Obama-Speech.htm

Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.



Barack Obama 2004 DNC Speech Part 1 & Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awQkJNVsgKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UDKXKGZ3PY&feature=related

If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief, I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper... that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.

Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America there's the United States of America. There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope?


Northwestern University Commencement Address

http://obamaspeeches.com/079-Northwestern-University-Commencement-Address-Obama-Speech.htm

...we live in a culture that discourages empathy. A culture that too often tells us our principle goal in life is to be rich, thin, young, famous, safe, and entertained. A culture where those in power too often encourage these selfish impulses.

They will tell you that the Americans who sleep in the streets and beg for food got there because they're all lazy or weak of spirit. That the inner-city children who are trapped in dilapidated schools can't learn and won't learn and so we should just give up on them entirely. That the innocent people being slaughtered and expelled from their homes half a world away are somebody else's problem to take care of.

I hope you don't listen to this. I hope you choose to broaden, and not contract, your ambit of concern. Not because you have an obligation to those who are less fortunate, although you do have that obligation. Not because you have a debt to all of those who helped you get to where you are, although you do have that debt.

It's because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation. And because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you will realize your true potential - and become full-grown.


Barack Obama's Speech at the Jefferson Jackson Dinner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tydfsfSQiYc

We were promised compassionate conservatism and all we got was Katrina and wiretaps. We were promised a uniter, and we got a President who could not even lead the half of the country that voted for him. We were promised a more ethical and more efficient government, and instead we have a town called Washington that is more corrupt and more wasteful than it was before. And the only mission that was ever accomplished is to use fear and falsehood to take this country to a war that should have never been authorized and should have never been waged.
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That's why not answering questions 'cause we are afraid our answers won't be popular just won't do. That's why telling the American people what we think they want to hear instead of telling the American people what they need to hear just won't do. Triangulating and poll-driven positions because we're worried about what Mitt or Rudy might say about us just won't do. If we are really serious about wining this election Democrats, we can't live in fear of losing it.



Iowa Caucus Victory Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqoFwZUp5vc

You said the time has come to move beyond the bitterness and pettiness and anger that's consumed Washington; to end the political strategy that's been all about division and instead make it about addition - to build a coalition for change that stretches through Red States and Blue States. Because that's how we'll win in November, and that's how we'll finally meet the challenges that we face as a nation.

We are choosing hope over fear. We're choosing unity over division, and sending a powerful message that change is coming to America.



South Carolina Victory Speech

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/01/26/was-this-obama-s-best-speech-yet-maybe.aspx

And what we've seen in these last weeks is that we're also up against forces that are not the fault of any one campaign, but feed the habits that prevent us from being who we want to be as a nation. It's the politics that uses religion as a wedge, and patriotism as a bludgeon. A politics that tells us that we have to think, act, and even vote within the confines of the categories that supposedly define us.


Obama Speech: 'A More Perfect Union'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU
Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own failings.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.



Obama's "spread the wealth" answer to Joe the Liar... er uh... Joe the Plumber...
http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//FoxNews/2008/10/16/X16100808/


Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: FOTD on May 05, 2009, 10:32:03 PM
^Great post.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: sgrizzle on May 06, 2009, 06:58:58 AM
Quote from: USRufnex on May 05, 2009, 09:19:41 PM
Please post any speech or speeches made by the Republican version of Jimmy Carter (aka George W. Bush) that compares to any of these speeches... thanks.

Off topic.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: guido911 on May 06, 2009, 09:11:44 AM
Jeez, Ruf, that's a toughy. Well, I'll go with this from Bush over anything that comes out of a teleprompter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiSwqaQ4VbA

Could you imagine Obama speaking off typed message? Umm...Uhh..the people...that...umm...knocked down....these...umm....buildings...uhhh...Hope and Change!
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: USRufnex on May 06, 2009, 11:45:48 AM
Go git 'em is NOT a speech.
Go figure, hater.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: guido911 on May 06, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Quote from: USRufnex on May 06, 2009, 11:45:48 AM
Go git 'em is NOT a speech.
Go figure, hater.


Well thank you for straightening me out on what constitutes a speech. 

Reading a prepared text right off a teleprompter:  Good.
Extemporaneous speaking to hundreds in person and millions right after the nation's worst on-soil attack? Not so much.

Your waistband worshipping of Obama is getting the better of you again.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: USRufnex on May 06, 2009, 03:15:06 PM
Dear Hater,

Keep playing those games trying to stereotype Obama as an idiot:  every time you do so, you're playing into Axelrod's hands.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: USRufnex on May 06, 2009, 03:15:58 PM
Three words:  My pet goat.   :P
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: guido911 on May 06, 2009, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: USRufnex on May 06, 2009, 03:15:06 PM
Dear Hater,

Keep playing those games trying to stereotype Obama as an idiot:  every time you do so, you're playing into Axelrod's hands.

Thanks.


Dear Dooshnozzle,

No one is sterotyping Obama. His buffonery is becoming legendary.

Your welcome.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: guido911 on May 06, 2009, 03:47:48 PM
Quote from: USRufnex on May 06, 2009, 03:15:58 PM
Three words:  My pet goat.   :P

One word:  "Nittaly" Lions.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: FOTD on May 06, 2009, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: guido911 on May 06, 2009, 03:46:13 PM
Dear Dooshnozzle,

No one is sterotyping Obama. His buffonery is becoming legendary.

Your welcome.

It's "you're"....as in "you're a joke".....
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: Hoss on May 06, 2009, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: guido911 on May 06, 2009, 03:46:13 PM
Dear Dooshnozzle,

No one is sterotyping Obama. His buffonery is becoming legendary.

Your welcome.

Fail.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: Townsend on May 06, 2009, 04:16:00 PM
well stereo has two e's.

and technically it's not spelled "doosh"

I will use the term often though.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: Conan71 on May 06, 2009, 04:18:54 PM
Quote from: Townsend on May 06, 2009, 04:16:00 PM
well stereo has two e's.

and technically it's not spelled "doosh"

I will use the term often though.

One of the few ways to get d o u c h e through the auto sensor.  I don't see what the big deal is with that word...sheesh.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: Townsend on May 06, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on May 06, 2009, 04:18:54 PM
One of the few ways to get d o u c h e through the auto sensor.  I don't see what the big deal is with that word...sheesh.

Most likely it would be used as a derogatory name or adjective more often than the feminine product so we say doosh
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: guido911 on May 06, 2009, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on May 06, 2009, 04:18:54 PM
One of the few ways to get d o u c h e through the auto sensor.  I don't see what the big deal is with that word...sheesh.

Me neither. "Dude"nozzle just does not do justice to USRUF.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: USRufnex on May 06, 2009, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 06, 2009, 06:58:58 AM
Off topic.

Off topic?

If you would have implied George H. W. Bush was a dummy because of mis-statements he made, the charge wouldn't stick... liberals tried the same tactics against Reagan that conservatives like Full Retard Guido are trying against Obama.... George W. Bush wasn't even the smartest of the Bush bros, that honor would go to Jeb......

George W., on the other hand....

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." --Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

"You work three jobs? ... Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." --to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." --Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 

"People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." --Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." --Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." --Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

"So what?" –President Bush, responding to a an ABC News correspondent who pointed out that Al Qaeda wasn't a threat in Iraq until after the U.S. invaded, Dec. 14, 2008

Republicans need to re-invent themselves, and there will be plenty of chances to do so in the next 2 or 4 or 6 years....

If Republicans had chosen McCain in 2000, I wouldn't have had to resort to voting for that "dangerous at any speed" dude as protest after 8 years of Clinton triangulation fatigue...

Ronald Reagan certainly had his share of "hems and haws"......

Reagan - Mondale debate terrorism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm8vhk5RJss

Compare above clip to the rhetoric and tortured neo-con logic of George W. Bush, rinse, repeat.


Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: guido911 on May 06, 2009, 09:29:11 PM
"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 (Obama later called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize)

"I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." --after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008 (Obama later called Nancy Reagan to apologize)

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama's policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified (Watch video clip)

"I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008

"Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008

"Just this past week, we passed out of the out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008

"How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do -- we'll do a press avail." --to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers (Watch video clip)

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon (Watch video clip)

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference

"You're likeable enough, Hillary." --during a Democratic debate

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

"Nitaly" Lions

Oh, and "Cinco de Cuatro"


...And Obama has been on the scene for only 1.5 years.
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on May 07, 2009, 12:36:04 AM
You guys skipped over all the good Bushisms.  Such as... Put all your social security money and health insurance (HSA) money in the stock market.  It will be great!

Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: we vs us on May 07, 2009, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: Trogdor on May 07, 2009, 12:36:04 AM
You guys skipped over all the good Bushisms.  Such as... Put all your social security money and health insurance (HSA) money in the stock market.  It will be great!



Huzzah!  Actual criticism with substance! +1 karma thingy!
Title: Re: Happy Cinco de Cuatro Everybody
Post by: USRufnex on May 07, 2009, 09:42:49 AM
The best way to get Obama re-elected is to equate his intellect with that of George W. Bush...

Good luck with your mindless, petty politics of personal destruction...

"Spread the Wealth" ?
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6031110

YES WE CAN!