What could possibly go wrong with a large aircraft flying low-altitude over New York? But I heard Obama was furious, so I guess he's off the hook.
Firing demand:
http://www.businessinsider.com/fire-louis-caldera-white-house-terror-plane-plotter-2009-4
Exit Question: How much did this stupidity cost the American taxpayer?
I mean........ how many more pictures of this plane do we really need? And how much did that cost? I'm confident Air Force One and an F-18 aren't cheap to fly.
Quote from: Wilbur on April 27, 2009, 07:13:12 PM
I mean........ how many more pictures of this plane do we really need? And how much did that cost? I'm confident Air Force One and an F-18 aren't cheap to fly.
You don't get it. When Obama said "Everybody's going to have to give. Everybody's going to have to have some skin in the game", he didn't mean him. Didn't that $150M inaugeration tell you anything about this guy?
Quote from: guido911 on April 27, 2009, 08:20:45 PM
You don't get it. When Obama said "Everybody's going to have to give. Everybody's going to have to have some skin in the game", he didn't mean him. Didn't that $150M inaugeration tell you anything about this guy?
Good morning G, it looks like your starting to take smear lessons from Bill. First you say he is off the hook then you smear the President with a totally unrelated topic. It is sort of fun watching you twist and turn.
Back on topic. . .
What I don't get is that they did it for a photo. 1,500 gallons of jet fuel for a picture? Really?
I'm glad we have a new environmentally sensitive administration.
And I wonder what the environmental impact of the evacuations of tens of thousands of people from skyscrapers, the emergency services response, and the cost of handing those injured in the rush.
Gibbs says that President Obama was furious when he found out. When he found out? What?
Who has the authority to say "Ok, we're going to take Airforce One and Buzz skyscrapers in NYC for a PR photo, and not tell the President of the United States, warn the civilian population, or brief the senior staff".
Hey, Mr. President, we are not Chicago, we are not used to token politics. Either stop all the stupidity and get a handle on things or fess up, but don't act naive to everything around you. If you continue to act like we're stupid, it's going to catch up with you. Nay. . . It is catching up with you.
Yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. . . Unbelievable!
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/04/27/nyregion/hudson-480.jpg)
Gas, you and Guido are getting even more boring than I thought was possible. Same song everyday. A new thread with an inflammatory, misleading headline and posts with insipid, mostly unsubstantiated spins. May the circle jerk be unbroken eh?
Tell the truth now. Are you guys both clones of AOX, FB and FOTD? Posting under pseudonyms to increase activity of the forum? You have become what you both decried during the last president's tenure only difference is, they were kicked off for their diatribes.
Quote from: Wilbur on April 27, 2009, 07:13:12 PM
I mean........ how many more pictures of this plane do we really need? And how much did that cost? I'm confident Air Force One and an F-18 aren't cheap to fly.
We would have been better off using the photoshop skills of the North Koreans or the Iranians, one of those scenes could have been done for mere dollars.
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9223/0709ledeiran.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0709ledeiran.jpg)
Looks like that appointee from "THAT TORTUOUS ADMINISTRATION" will be terminated for his error in judgment. Lots of these misfits still hanging out in the Federal government. This will take some time to clean up. But stupidity reigns from the top down as of 2002.
What's amazing is how this is a priority with the whiny losers.
And here is an illuminating op-ed: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/25
Of Tea Parties and Teleprompters
by David Michael Green
"Is it possible that the regressive right has, given its electoral unraveling of late, decided to swap the whole politics thing for vaudeville?"
" If the low rent, low IQ, low on laundry detergent (non) masses attending these events looked familiar, it was because we saw them on the campaign trail last year, angrily spouting utter fabrications and fulminating their vaguely anti-government screeds at Sarah Palin rallies. What they lack in quality dental care or concern about the health effects of obesity, they fully make up for in sheer gullibility and lumpen selfishness masquerading as vulgar capitalism."
" you could almost hear the rusty gears in their brains jamming into one another, screeching like a subway train, and ultimately shattering from sheer lack of prior use, as the attendees decided to stick with their advance programming after all, booing the mention of the shifty Negro in the White House despite the fact that he is cutting their taxes, just like they claim to want him to."
" But if they do check out, I only hope that Obama doesn't make the same mistake Lincoln did. Imagine the last several decades without names like Bush, DeLay, Gingrich, McConnell, Armey, Lott and other fine specimens of Southern hospitality running the country into the ground. Let them have their little experiment in trying to form a more perfect union within their breakaway Confederacy"
"Ironically, the explanation for the odd fact that the exact same stuff that seemed so great to Americans in 2002 seemed so awful in 2008 was of course George W. Bush himself."
"All of this is emblematic, of course, of a political movement in utter free fall, and completely lacking any sense whatsoever of what to do about it. This week it was tea parties. Before that, he was Obama bowing to the Saudi king. Before that, it was the president giving the Queen of England an iPod. Or was it the fact that he uses Teleprompters when he speaks? Or was it the connection to Rod Blagojevich that was sure to be exposed any minute now?"
"These antics only prove how deeply sunk into it regressivism now is. I assure you, if the right had a better way to attack Democrats and the Obama administration then this pathetic garbage, you'd be seeing it."
"The frustration and anger you see among regressive politicians and their cheerleaders comes from fifty years of operant conditioning all of a sudden gone massively awry. It's like they fell into some parallel universe or something. Every step forward leaves them two steps backward. Up is down, down is up. White is black, and black is now president. What the hell is going on?"
"Poor regressives. For half a century they got an entire country full of people to suspend disbelief, and nod their heads in all the right places whenever they were poked with the appropriate stimulus. For half a century, they continued to win elections by fooling people into voting against their own interests."
"The great news is that, as bad as it now is, these are still the golden days of the regressive movement. It's gonna get a lot worse from here. As they continue their antics, they only look more and more foolish, while President Obama looks more and more statesmanlike, less and less like his predecessor, and better and better in the polls."
"Watch and see if the few remaining moderate Republicans don't learn from this experience, and abandon the party. This will leave the GOP in excellent position to succeed everywhere that Jefferson Davis remains a hero, and pretty much nowhere else. Even the governor of Utah, arguably the reddest of red states, has come out in support of gay marriage."
Works for FOTD too!!!!
Your turn Gweedoedoe
Quote from: guido911 on April 27, 2009, 05:47:26 PM
What could possibly go wrong with a large aircraft flying low-altitude over New York? But I heard Obama was furious, so I guess he's off the hook.
And I'm sure if Obama had said he was aware of this, you'd be berating him for focusing on PR instead of the economy. Your shtick is old guido.
Turns out that approval for something like this tops out at the White House Military Office, whose director, Louis Caldera, apologized for the flyovers and took full responsibility. Not sure exactly how something like this is indicative of something larger in the Obama administration. Unless you're looking for something larger, that is.
Every administration, Republican and Democratic, has one of these myopic bureaucrats who does something dumb and tone-deaf. It just happens.
If you actually want to get into substantive debate about Obama's Administration, let's talk about whether Tim Geithner's too close to Wall Street to regulate it. (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/business/27geithner.html?_r=1) Or that Taliban forces are fighting inside Pakistan, (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124085342758159927.html?mod=googlenews_wsj) putting their nuclear stockpiles at serious risk, while O's war in Afghanistan languishes.
But talking about how the Travel Office, er, Military Office screwed up is really just a waste of your precious precious conservative ire.
LOL.. Commander in Marketing. I told you to come up with better stuff Guido, you are letting me down.
Quote from: waterboy on April 28, 2009, 07:51:15 AM
Gas, you and Guido are getting even more boring than I thought was possible. Same song everyday. A new thread with an inflammatory, misleading headline and posts with insipid, mostly unsubstantiated spins. May the circle jerk be unbroken eh?
Tell the truth now. Are you guys both clones of AOX, FB and FOTD? Posting under pseudonyms to increase activity of the forum? You have become what you both decried during the last president's tenure only difference is, they were kicked off for their diatribes.
What's boring is your incessant spooning with Obama. Jeez, his airplane is flying low altitude over the city that suffered the most extreme act of terrorism this country has ever seen, with a military plane nearby. And for what, a freakin photo op? And here you and your regular cast of characters are out not only NOT criticizing it but attacking those that do. Get off your knees.
Misleading headline? What possible rationale could there be in spending my tax dollars just to get some photos of a plane? I paid a pilot, co-pilot, ground crew (and gosh knows who else) for AF 1, a pilot and ground crew for the military jet, and fuel for both planes so a picture of Obama's plane could be taken.
Bottom line, if Bush had done this, we would still be hearing about it in the media and folks like you would be up in arms over the degree of insensitivity he showed to New Yorkers and the "working people" in this country paying taxes.
Smear? I guess you mean the $150M for his inaugeration. Am I wrong, or are your panties in a wad because you know its true?
Quote from: we vs us on April 28, 2009, 09:07:21 AM
Turns out that approval for something like this tops out at the White House Military Office, whose director, Louis Caldera, apologized for the flyovers and took full responsibility. Not sure exactly how something like this is indicative of something larger in the Obama administration. Unless you're looking for something larger, that is.
Every administration, Republican and Democratic, has one of these myopic bureaucrats who does something dumb and tone-deaf. It just happens.
If you actually want to get into substantive debate about Obama's Administration, let's talk about whether Tim Geithner's too close to Wall Street to regulate it. (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/business/27geithner.html?_r=1) Or that Taliban forces are fighting inside Pakistan, (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124085342758159927.html?mod=googlenews_wsj) putting their nuclear stockpiles at serious risk, while O's war in Afghanistan languishes.
But talking about how the Travel Office, er, Military Office screwed up is really just a waste of your precious precious conservative ire.
Yes. But the notion this is "O"s war is the regressive set up. It was the war we should have fought right instead of being spread too thin by that tortuous administration of the Bushevik Empire in a war for oil in Iraq. Gani is our war, we were grandfathered into it and it is O's inherited mess like everything else fallen on him. Americans know this and for the first time in over 6 years the majority believe the country is headed in the right direction. The one's with courage are not regressive.
Quote from: FOTD on April 28, 2009, 12:08:29 PM
Americans know this and for the first time in over 6 years the majority believe the country is headed in the right direction.
Nope. Wrong again.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090423/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama100_days_ap_poll
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_wrong_track/right_direction_or_wrong_track
Louis Caldera says "oops my bad."
Title: White House Military Office Director
There are things that you can do at your job that will get you fired. Taking a bath in the sink at McDonnalds, exposing yourself to co-workers, or perhaps driving your bosses car with the company logo on it into a crowd of people while giving them the finger. I guess Caldera is another one we have to watch.
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2009, 12:02:35 PM
Smear? I guess you mean the $150M for his inaugeration.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_01/016501.php (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_01/016501.php)
So, how much did Bush's 2005 inauguration actually cost, using the standard the media is applying to Obama? Boehlert crunched the numbers and came up with a total of $157 million.
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/01/apples_vs_orchards_comparing_i.php (http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/01/apples_vs_orchards_comparing_i.php)
When they cite the Bush inauguration cost as $40 million, they're talking about the cost of the inauguration parties - that is, the cost of the festivities themselves. That cost does not include security. It does not include the cost of paying police to shut down the city streets. It doesn't include the cost of cleaning up after the crowds. It's just the cost of the parties.
The Obama figure of $150-$160 million includes everything - police, security, setup, and cleanup.
A fair comparison? If you exclude the security costs, Bush's second inauguration cost $42 million; Obama's is expected to cost around $45 million. If you include the security costs, Bush's second inauguration cost somewhere around $155 million. (The exact figures are still not public knowledge; Bush and company treated it as a "national security matter" which did not need to be disclosed.)
I can site more of these...so let it go. I'm sure you won't and just attack me personally because of you're personality and mommy/daddy issues but jeebus, I'm tired of the same crap you post every freaking day.
Every freaking day.
Quote from: Townsend on April 28, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_01/016501.php (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_01/016501.php)
So, how much did Bush's 2005 inauguration actually cost, using the standard the media is applying to Obama? Boehlert crunched the numbers and came up with a total of $157 million.
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/01/apples_vs_orchards_comparing_i.php (http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2009/01/apples_vs_orchards_comparing_i.php)
When they cite the Bush inauguration cost as $40 million, they're talking about the cost of the inauguration parties - that is, the cost of the festivities themselves. That cost does not include security. It does not include the cost of paying police to shut down the city streets. It doesn't include the cost of cleaning up after the crowds. It's just the cost of the parties.
The Obama figure of $150-$160 million includes everything - police, security, setup, and cleanup.
A fair comparison? If you exclude the security costs, Bush's second inauguration cost $42 million; Obama's is expected to cost around $45 million. If you include the security costs, Bush's second inauguration cost somewhere around $155 million. (The exact figures are still not public knowledge; Bush and company treated it as a "national security matter" which did not need to be disclosed.)
I can site more of these...so let it go. I'm sure you won't and just attack me personally because of you're personality and mommy/daddy issues but jeebus, I'm tired of the same crap you post every freaking day.
Every freaking day.
Boehlert, from Media Matters? Enough said.
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2009, 01:03:49 PM
Boehlert, from Media Matters? Enough said.
Every freaking day...same spew.
Just come up with something new. Contribute something meaningful.
I still read your stuff but it's to get through it so as not to skip parts of threads.
Who woulda thunk that a stimulus package for Hollywood would come in the form of cool special effects?
Good promo for the remake of "Escape from New York"
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8695/efnyif5.gif)
Here is an estimate of how much the photo op cost the U.S. taxpayers:
The report was prepared at the request of Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) while Democrats were in the minority. (Waxman is now chairman ofthe committee). Entitled "THE COST OF PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE
PRESIDENTIAL POLITICAL TRAVEL," the report was clearly intended to criticize President Bush and Vice President Cheney's extensive travel around the country to campaign for Republicans in the midterm elections.
It reads in part: "This report assumes that flight operating costs are $56,518 per hour for Air Force One and $14,552 per hour for Air Force Two. These figures are based on the perhour cost figures cited by GAO for fiscal year 2000, adjusted for inflation."
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/28/how-much-did-the-nyc-flight-cost/
But hey, Obama was furious.
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2009, 03:32:45 PM
Here is an estimate of how much the photo op cost the U.S. taxpayers:
The report was prepared at the request of Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) while Democrats were in the minority. (Waxman is now chairman ofthe committee). Entitled "THE COST OF PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE
PRESIDENTIAL POLITICAL TRAVEL," the report was clearly intended to criticize President Bush and Vice President Cheney's extensive travel around the country to campaign for Republicans in the midterm elections.
It reads in part: "This report assumes that flight operating costs are $56,518 per hour for Air Force One and $14,552 per hour for Air Force Two. These figures are based on the perhour cost figures cited by GAO for fiscal year 2000, adjusted for inflation."
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/28/how-much-did-the-nyc-flight-cost/
But hey, Obama was furious.
They did say that the airforce jet that took the pictures was a "training mission" to reduce the cost.
Just technical point of order here. The plane that terrorized citizens of NYC was NOT AF-1 so long as POTUS was not on-board. AF-2 is not designated as AF-2 unless the VP is aboard.
That is all. Please continue on with your argument already in progress.
Quote from: Townsend on April 28, 2009, 01:13:07 PM
Every freaking day...same spew.
Just come up with something new. Contribute something meaningful.
I still read your stuff but it's to get through it so as not to skip parts of threads.
What do you mean? I got hammered for linking to a story from Newsbusters. Media Matters is their "progressive" equivalent. Most every media outlet reported that Obama's inaugeration was the most expensive in history. But oh, Boehlert, a former writer for that hard-hitting new outlet Rolling Stone, is way smarter.
And another thing, here is Boehlert b*tching about the cost of Bush's second inaugeration:
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/01/20/media_on_inauguration
Where was his outrage over the expense of Obama's? crickets.
Is that meaningful enough for ya?
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2009, 04:22:27 PM
Is that meaningful enough for ya?
No. Explain your bitching about the cost of Obama's party and never bitching about Bush's.
If you can then I'll understand why you do it every day.
Bush's was the same cost but filed away as a ""national security matter" which did not need to be disclosed"
So let's move on and at least come up with a fresh topic to grumble about. The party is not worth being brought up by an intelligent person.
If you say you don't have to explain yourself then you just lose.
edited to say: "grumble" mod? Pancakes
Quote from: Townsend on April 28, 2009, 04:54:43 PM
No. Explain your bitching about the cost of Obama's party and never bitching about Bush's.
If you can then I'll understand why you do it every day.
Bush's was the same cost but filed away as a ""national security matter" which did not need to be disclosed"
So let's move on and at least come up with a fresh topic to grumble about. The party is not worth being brought up by an intelligent person.
If you say you don't have to explain yourself then you just lose.
edited to say: "grumble" mod? Pancakes
moving along...
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2009, 05:09:25 PM
moving along...
Finally.
Something new to grumble about. I would've preferred they'd gotten a rescue for the family dog.
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2009, 04:22:27 PM
What do you mean? I got hammered for linking to a story from Newsbusters. Media Matters is their "progressive" equivalent. Most every media outlet reported that Obama's inaugeration was the most expensive in history. But oh, Boehlert, a former writer for that hard-hitting new outlet Rolling Stone, is way smarter.
And another thing, here is Boehlert b*tching about the cost of Bush's second inaugeration:
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/01/20/media_on_inauguration
Where was his outrage over the expense of Obama's? crickets.
Is that meaningful enough for ya?
I think you might be mistaking Townsend for the person that wrote that article.
Taking a picture of Air Force One over New York = $328,000
Photoshop = $350
Being a moron in government who doesn't know the difference = Priceless
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2009, 12:02:35 PM
What's boring is your incessant spooning with Obama. Jeez, his airplane is flying low altitude over the city that suffered the most extreme act of terrorism this country has ever seen, with a military plane nearby.
8 bucking years ago. When will you terrah-screamers get over it?
I'd think you of all people would understand not freaking out at minor stimuli. People seem to be jumping out of their skin at relatively minor things these days. I regularly see low flying airplanes over my house, yet I manage not to think "oh noez, they be crashing into my buildingz!"
Hell, just between the cop chopper and the medevac units, hardly an hour goes by there isn't some aircraft flying low around here. That doesn't even begin to count the airliners.
This whole thing is being blown out of proportion by wingers looking to smear the administration (and if this is the best they can do, they must be running out of ammo) and by morons who can't get terra off their mind. Maybe if the new administration would continue toning the freakout speak down people will be able to go on with their lives without constant fear.
Maybe I'm just insensitive because I grasp that there will come a day that I will die and I'm ok with that.
Quote from: nathanm on April 28, 2009, 06:02:38 PM
8 frakking years ago. When will you terrah-screamers get over it?
I'd think you of all people would understand not freaking out at minor stimuli. People seem to be jumping out of their skin at relatively minor things these days. I regularly see low flying airplanes over my house, yet I manage not to think "oh noez, they be crashing into my buildingz!"
Hell, just between the cop chopper and the medevac units, hardly an hour goes by there isn't some aircraft flying low around here. That doesn't even begin to count the airliners.
This whole thing is being blown out of proportion by wingers looking to smear the administration (and if this is the best they can do, they must be running out of ammo) and by morons who can't get terra off their mind. Maybe if the new administration would continue toning the freakout speak down people will be able to go on with their lives without constant fear.
Maybe I'm just insensitive because I grasp that there will come a day that I will die and I'm ok with that.
Hear that Mayor Bloomberg, you notorious winger! Nate from Tulsa is telling you New Yorkers to stop complaining and overreacting. It's just terrah after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oQxH9J35T8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Farchives%2F2009%2F04%2F28%2Ffaa-memo-feds-knew-scare-force-one-would-cause-panic%2F&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: Trogdor on April 28, 2009, 03:51:54 PM
They did say that the airforce jet that took the pictures was a "training mission" to reduce the cost.
In all fairness, they say that any time an air force jet does anything. Appear at an airshow. Do a fly over. Take President Bush to an aircraft carrier. Blah blah blah.
I really don't hold this against Obama. Unless he knew about it and said didn't care. Otherwise it's stupid bureaucracy at work.
However, I do agree with the notion that if GW did this the people that are defending Obama would be pointing and saying how stupid Bush was.
Government math can be used to justify the training flight.
Zeros are worth nothing so:
$328000 becomes $328
$350 becomes $35
$328-$35 = $293.
Only $293 for training flights in two jet aircraft seems like a bargain to me.
;D
Somebody needs to be fired over this.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on April 28, 2009, 08:57:22 PM
I really don't hold this against Obama.
Just shut it CF, it's all Obama's fault. He knew from the beginning. In fact, he drafted the FAA memo warning how circling at low level over New York would cause panic and, in fact, he was flying the plane at the time. Jeez, CF, you are such an Obama apologist.
Quote from: USRufnex on April 28, 2009, 09:22:07 PM
Somebody needs to be fired over this.
Damned right. USRUF, you're fired.
Ok, read the memo this morning. I don't get it.
The FAA notified the mayor of New York, the secret service, and the FBI and told them that "this is likely to cause a panic" but told them to remain silent or face federal sanctions.
Yet the President was not notified that hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers were going to be thrown into a panic?
I just can't buy that.
I'm just curious if it had anything to do with the AP report written by Martin Crutsinger that the white house knew would be published that afternoon?
The administration is projecting the federal deficit for the entire budget year ending Sept. 30, will total a record $1.75 trillion. A deficit at that level would nearly quadruple the previous record of $454.8 billion set last year.
The joy ride story effectively silenced this story. No one carried it, not even Drudge, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, and FOX all focused on the Joy Ride story, yet this deficit is certainly more dangerous than the Swine flu. The Obama Deficit will be higher than the deficit of all previous US presidents COMBINED. He did say he was going to cut it in half, but then he said a lot of things.
I was taught that when the magician flashes a shiny coin in one hand, it's what's happening in the other hand that's important.
My tin foil hat is tingling.
Quote from: Gaspar on April 29, 2009, 06:12:06 AM
Ok, read the memo this morning. I don't get it.
The FAA notified the mayor of New York, the secret service, and the FBI and told them that "this is likely to cause a panic" but told them to remain silent or face federal sanctions.
Yet the President was not notified that hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers were going to be thrown into a panic?
I just can't buy that.
I'm just curious if it had anything to do with the AP report written by Martin Crutsinger that the white house knew would be published that afternoon?
The administration is projecting the federal deficit for the entire budget year ending Sept. 30, will total a record $1.75 trillion. A deficit at that level would nearly quadruple the previous record of $454.8 billion set last year.
The joy ride story effectively silenced this story. No one carried it, not even Drudge, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, and FOX all focused on the Joy Ride story, yet this deficit is certainly more dangerous than the Swine flu. The Obama Deficit will be higher than the deficit of all previous US presidents COMBINED. He did say he was going to cut it in half, but then he said a lot of things.
I was taught that when the magician flashes a shiny coin in one hand, it's what's happening in the other hand that's important.
My tin foil hat is tingling.
1st Obama's Deficit includes all the TARP funds, Bush's $465 billion was without the TARP funds in it.
And I point out that a certain group of people post about the plane incident instead of things that are important.
Quote from: Trogdor on April 29, 2009, 08:03:44 AM
1st Obama's Deficit includes all the TARP funds, Bush's $465 billion was without the TARP funds in it.
And I point out that a certain group of people post about the plane incident instead of things that are important.
How is terrorizing NYC not important? Why were we blowing money on something as unimportant as a photo of a USAF 747 with NYC as a background?
Quote from: Conan71 on April 29, 2009, 08:14:37 AM
How is terrorizing NYC not important? Why were we blowing money on something as unimportant as a photo of a USAF 747 with NYC as a background?
"updating stock photos" I don't know why they need to be doing that or when the last time they did it was. It doesn't exactly make much sense. I would like a formal, stop paying for stupid crap decree from Obama. It obviously isn't the time to drop 300k on taking pictures.
Quote from: Trogdor on April 29, 2009, 08:28:42 AM
"updating stock photos" I don't know why they need to be doing that or when the last time they did it was. It doesn't exactly make much sense. I would like a formal, stop paying for stupid crap decree from Obama. It obviously isn't the time to drop 300k on taking pictures.
I agree 101% America's credit cards are all charged up.
300K on new photo's of AF1 with a NYC skyline. Could someone please send them a picture of NYC skyline, their old stock photo of AF1, and a copy of photoshop please?
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2009, 07:36:40 PM
Hear that Mayor Bloomberg, you notorious winger! Nate from Tulsa is telling you New Yorkers to stop complaining and overreacting. It's just terrah after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oQxH9J35T8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Farchives%2F2009%2F04%2F28%2Ffaa-memo-feds-knew-scare-force-one-would-cause-panic%2F&feature=player_embedded
As I said earlier, there's no accounting for the stupidity of the general public. The things that people are afraid of shock me on a regular basis.
Quote from: nathanm on April 30, 2009, 11:43:15 AM
As I said earlier, there's no accounting for the stupidity of the general public. The things that people are afraid of shock me on a regular basis.
Well it sure as sh$t didn't shock the FAA, which according to the above discussed memo expected panic. Not all of us can be as brave and courageous (and apparently less stupid) as you I guess.
Quote from: guido911 on April 30, 2009, 11:52:07 AM
Well it sure as sh$t didn't shock the FAA, which according to the above discussed memo expected panic. Not all of us can be as brave and courageous (and apparently less stupid) as you I guess.
I ain't brave, I just made peace with my mortality. (alternately phrased, I just don't give a smile)
Stupid probably wasn't the right word. Ignorant would be closer to accurate. Ignorant and afraid.
Quote from: nathanm on April 30, 2009, 11:43:15 AM
As I said earlier, there's no accounting for the stupidity of the general public. The things that people are afraid of shock me on a regular basis.
You're not talking about this specific case, are you... because if I had been walking the streets of Manhatten that day, darned right, I woulda thought something was up to see a low flying jet plane followed by a couple of fighter jets, eerily reminiscent of 9/11...
Why do this in secret, when making it public woulda served as a reminder that the skies have been safe over NYC.... more public relations bureacrats gone wild.
How much did Obama know and when did he know it?
Well, I guess you could investigate but would it really rise to the level of this...
Bin Laden determined to strike in UShttp://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/index.htm
???
Perspective, people.
People are not stupid or overly afraid that were freaked out by this. They have learned from the past and took the appropriate actions to the perceived threat. This isn't an LED sign in Boston or anything else that has electronics on it and a battery so it needs to be blown up. I see no reason why anybody would assume (the public, building owners/security) that there should be a plan flying around downtown NY. I would hope that we would evacuate the BOK tower if a 747 was flying around near the building. I think in order for you to certify something as an irrational fear it has to have not happened to you before.
Quote from: Trogdor on April 30, 2009, 01:12:52 PM
I think in order for you to certify something as an irrational fear it has to have not happened to you before.
I've been in car wrecks before. Hell I've had multiple friends that have died in them on separate occasions. Despite that, I manage to go out and drive myself around in a relatively small car that would be flattened by some of the SUVs on the road.
Just because something has happened doesn't mean it's likely to recur. This is a point many otherwise intelligent people fail to grasp.
I would hope we wouldn't evacuate the BOk building just because a 747 or 767 or 777 was sighted nearby. That would be beyond ridiculous without some reason to think the aircraft was a threat beyond its just being in the vicinity.
Quote from: nathanm on April 30, 2009, 03:03:41 PM
I've been in car wrecks before. Hell I've had multiple friends that have died in them on separate occasions. Despite that, I manage to go out and drive myself around in a relatively small car that would be flattened by some of the SUVs on the road.
Just because something has happened doesn't mean it's likely to recur. This is a point many otherwise intelligent people fail to grasp.
I would hope we wouldn't evacuate the BOk building just because a 747 or 767 or 777 was sighted nearby. That would be beyond ridiculous without some reason to think the aircraft was a threat beyond its just being in the vicinity.
Being below 10,000 feet with an F-16 chasing it. I think that about sums it up.
What sums it up is the lengthy ridiculous comments...... :-\
Quote from: FOTD on April 30, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
What sums it up is the lengthy ridiculous comments...... :-\
I think I'll leave this one for others to expand on
Quote from: nathanm on April 30, 2009, 03:03:41 PM
I've been in car wrecks before. Hell I've had multiple friends that have died in them on separate occasions. Despite that, I manage to go out and drive myself around in a relatively small car that would be flattened by some of the SUVs on the road.
Right, but if you had an SUV changing lanes and stopping/speeding up randomly I would hope you would just pull over. (Which is the equivalent of what they did). But maybe trying to secure your own safety is for the weak.
There's a photo contest now.
http://www.nydailynews.com/tech_guide/2009/04/29/2009-04-29_createyourown_nyc_air_force_one_flyover_photo__we_did.html
Quote from: Gaspar on April 30, 2009, 03:46:48 PM
There's a photo contest now.
http://www.nydailynews.com/tech_guide/2009/04/29/2009-04-29_createyourown_nyc_air_force_one_flyover_photo__we_did.html
(http://okwoodfamily.com/a-new-era.jpg)
Quote from: Gaspar on April 30, 2009, 03:15:38 PM
Being below 10,000 feet with an F-16 chasing it. I think that about sums it up.
I should go hide now. I can't count the number of times I've seen military aircraft in the vicinity of large passenger jets since I moved closer to the airport.
Quote from: nathanm on April 30, 2009, 07:29:46 PM
I should go hide now. I can't count the number of times I've seen military aircraft in the vicinity of large passenger jets since I moved closer to the airport.
Was Tulsa the site of the greatest terror attack this country ever had and did that attack come in the form of large passenger jets flying low into Tulsa buildings? If the answer is no, then you have absolutely no frame of reference when New Yorkers panicked over what they saw. You are talking out of your a$$, but you have a right to your opinion and I think we know it in this regard.
Quote from: guido911 on April 30, 2009, 07:37:51 PM
Was Tulsa the site of the greatest terror attack this country ever had and did that attack come in the form of large passenger jets flying low into Tulsa buildings? If the answer is no, then you have absolutely no frame of reference when New Yorkers panicked over what they saw. You are talking out of your a$$, but you have a right to your opinion and I think we know it in this regard.
So because they were attacked once it logically follows that they will be attacked again? So if some white fringe nuts decide to truck bomb again, it will be in OKC?
Rationality is a precious commodity these days.
Quote from: FOTD on April 30, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
What sums it up is the lengthy ridiculous comments...... :-\
That is without a doubt the funniest thing you have ever posted.
COMCLMAO
(Choked On My Coffee Laughing My @ss Off)
:D
Thanks man.
Now it seems that the photos taken during that joy ride are now classified and will not be released:
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=a8b9ea7b-871e-4202-a46c-129ac43256ab
Let's see, "torture" memos? Sure, let the public see those. Pictures taken on a 6 figure publicity jaunt at taxpayer expense? Not so much. Isn't transparency wonderful?
FWIW, if some international terrorists spends the better part of a decade planning, funding, and executing a massive strike on the United States and decides to strike Tulsa, OK . . . we should thank them. While clearly I don't want that to happen, it would be relatively better to attack Tulsa and killed ~1,000 people than the Sears Tower, Times Square on New Years, the San Francisco Bay during Fleet Week, a nuclear plant, a dam, or some HEAVILY populated areas and kill tens of thousands. Should we consider it? Absolutely. Should we count on it? No. Is it likely? No.
And if someone really wanted to ram a 747 into the BOK could we stop them? Probably not. I doubt the people on the plane would let it happen again, but that has nothing to do with our preparations.
As inevitable as can be, the New Yorkers frightened over Scare Force One thinking about a class action lawsuit.
http://www.kxmc.com/News/Nation/372308.asp
I empathized with them earlier in this thread, however this is over the top.
Well, considering the date on this story, evidently a few folks immediately pounced on the class-action lawsuit bandwagon...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/27/low.flying.plane/
Linda Garcia-Rose, a social worker who counsels post-traumatic stress disorder patients in an office just three blocks from where the World Trade Center towers once stood, called the flight an "absolute travesty."
"There was no warning. It looked like the plane was about to come into us," she said. "I'm a therapist, and I actually had a panic attack."
Garcia-Rose, who works with nearly two dozen post-traumatic stress disorder patients ages 15 to 47, said she was inundated with phone calls from patients Monday morning.
"They're traumatized. They're asking 'How could this happen?' They're nervous. Their anxiety levels are high," she said.
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FWIW, I had a family member who worked for the VA Hospital in Norman who had to shutoff all the TVs and do a "lockdown"--- all because of the initial media coverage of the Oklahoma City bombing-- caused alot of flashbacks/trauma...
Quote from: USRufnex on May 07, 2009, 11:36:42 AM
FWIW, I had a family member who worked for the VA Hospital in Norman who had to shutoff all the TVs and do a "lockdown"--- all because of the initial media coverage of the Oklahoma City bombing-- caused alot of flashbacks/trauma...
But did they haul off and sue somebody is my question. As I said, I empathized with these folks at first because there could have been genuine fear is seeing a large plane flying low and being trailed by a military plane. But trying to now profit from that at what would be taxpayer expense? Empathy gone.
I just want to see somebody get fired over this.
Have they fired anybody yet?
I'm tired of seeing our government make bad decisions over and over, and no one ever gets removed. Its a vicious cycle, and the citizens get stepped on every time.
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Quote from: Hawkins on May 07, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
I just want to see somebody get fired over this.
Have they fired anybody yet?
I'm tired of seeing our government make bad decisions over and over, and no one ever gets removed. Its a vicious cycle, and the citizens get stepped on every time.
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Amen.
Just look at the last administration for the same example of what you're complaining about.
Quote from: Hoss on May 07, 2009, 03:42:11 PM
Amen.
Just look at the last administration for the same example of what you're complaining about.
and the administration before, and the one before, and the one before...
Quote from: custosnox on May 07, 2009, 03:42:58 PM
and the administration before, and the one before, and the one before...
Well some were removed the one before the one before the one before the one before the one before the one before the one before this one.
Quote from: Hawkins on May 07, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
I just want to see somebody get fired over this.
Have they fired anybody yet?
I'm tired of seeing our government make bad decisions over and over, and no one ever gets removed. Its a vicious cycle, and the citizens get stepped on every time.
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Government is usually the last chance of employment for idiots. Where would they go if they got fired? Gold Man Sacks?
Quote from: Conan71 on May 07, 2009, 04:09:09 PM
Government is usually the last chance of employment for idiots. Where would they go if they got fired? Gold Man Sacks?
Fanny May or Freddy Mac
Quote from: guido911 on May 07, 2009, 01:13:03 PM
But did they haul off and sue somebody is my question. As I said, I empathized with these folks at first because there could have been genuine fear is seeing a large plane flying low and being trailed by a military plane. But trying to now profit from that at what would be taxpayer expense? Empathy gone.
They didn't sue. Because this was a terrorist act and the perpetrators were brought to justice.
At the time, my relative was really incensed by some of the initial "over-the-top" media coverage and as far as I know, still hates Linda Cavanaugh and KFOR, the NBC affiliate there in Okie City... that station in particular showed some of the most gruesome footage...
"Empathy gone" ?
Why?
Just because one bad apple liberal social worker saw how this needless, irresponsible, reckless act affected her and some of her clients?.... most of the folks who live/work in Manhattan are not really "New Yorkers" anyway-- they moved from places like... wait for it... Tulsa...... and I seriously doubt many of them will participate in a class action over the flyover.
Although I'm sure if the social worker contacts a right wing conservative think tank... they'll be more than happy to file the class action for her just to give the administration a black eye... and they'll tell us they're not doing it for the money...
Some of this crap never changes.
Quote from: USRufnex on May 07, 2009, 04:38:55 PM
They didn't sue. Because this was a terrorist act and the perpetrators were brought to justice.
At the time, my relative was really incensed by some of the initial "over-the-top" media coverage and as far as I know, still hates Linda Cavanaugh and KFOR, the NBC affiliate there in Okie City... that station in particular showed some of the most gruesome footage...
"Empathy gone" ?
Why?
Just because one bad apple liberal social worker saw how this needless, irresponsible, reckless act affected her and some of her clients?.... most of the folks who live/work in Manhattan are not really "New Yorkers" anyway-- they moved from places like... wait for it... Tulsa...... and I seriously doubt many of them will participate in a class action over the flyover.
Although I'm sure if the social worker contacts a right wing conservative think tank... they'll be more than happy to file the class action for her just to give the administration a black eye... and they'll tell us they're not doing it for the money...
Some of this crap never changes.
I bet Gweed's phone is ringing off the hook.....
Quote from: USRufnex on May 07, 2009, 04:38:55 PM
They didn't sue. Because this was a terrorist act and the perpetrators were brought to justice.
At the time, my relative was really incensed by some of the initial "over-the-top" media coverage and as far as I know, still hates Linda Cavanaugh and KFOR, the NBC affiliate there in Okie City... that station in particular showed some of the most gruesome footage...
"Empathy gone" ?
Why?
Just because one bad apple liberal social worker saw how this needless, irresponsible, reckless act affected her and some of her clients?.... most of the folks who live/work in Manhattan are not really "New Yorkers" anyway-- they moved from places like... wait for it... Tulsa...... and I seriously doubt many of them will participate in a class action over the flyover.
Although I'm sure if the social worker contacts a right wing conservative think tank... they'll be more than happy to file the class action for her just to give the administration a black eye... and they'll tell us they're not doing it for the money...
Some of this crap never changes.
How did this become a right wing thing? I cannot stand the "sue sue sue" culture.
(http://soonerpsycho.com/spfarksandpics/barackobamascareforceone.jpg)
Quote from: Hawkins on May 07, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
I just want to see somebody get fired over this.
Have they fired anybody yet?
I'm tired of seeing our government make bad decisions over and over, and no one ever gets removed. Its a vicious cycle, and the citizens get stepped on every time.
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NEW YORK - An Air Force flyover that caused panic on the streets of New York last month cost U.S. taxpayers as much as $357,000 and has left one White House employee without a job.
On Friday, President Barack Obama accepted the resignation of Louis Caldera, director of the White House Military Office.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30643376/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30643376/)
Quote from: Gaspar on April 28, 2009, 12:27:04 PM
Louis Caldera says "oops my bad."
Title: White House Military Office Director
There are things that you can do at your job that will get you fired. Taking a bath in the sink at McDonnalds, exposing yourself to co-workers, or perhaps driving your bosses car with the company logo on it into a crowd of people while giving them the finger. I guess Caldera is another one we have to watch.
Make that "Former" White House Military Office Director
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/05/08/2009-05-08_white_house_aide_loses_job_over_manhattan_flyover_fiasco.html
Quote from: guido911 on May 08, 2009, 04:46:14 PM
Make that "Former" White House Military Office Director
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/05/08/2009-05-08_white_house_aide_loses_job_over_manhattan_flyover_fiasco.html
That's what accountability looks like. "Heckuva job, Brownie!"...not so much.
Quote from: Chicken Little on May 08, 2009, 06:56:37 PM
That's what accountability looks like. "Heckuva job, Brownie!"...not so much.
Zing!
Quote from: Chicken Little on May 08, 2009, 06:56:37 PM
That's what accountability looks like. "Heckuva job, Brownie!"...not so much.
Whoa, turning in this into another "look what Bush did" redirection moment. Accountability? How's that tax cheat Tim Geithner doing? Yeah, the guy that's going after tax cheats I guess has the experience.
Quote from: guido911 on May 08, 2009, 07:18:27 PM
Whoa, turning in this into another "look what Bush did" redirection moment. Accountability? How's that tax cheat Tim Geithner doing? Yeah, the guy that's going after tax cheats I guess has the experience.
Project much? Why don't you redirect
yourself back to the topic of this thread? Some goofball did his job
very poorly and lost it. Nobody defended his stupidity. Nobody blamed the "press". Or the LA governor, or anyone. Just gone. Ain't that refreshing?
Quote from: guido911 on May 08, 2009, 07:18:27 PM
Whoa, turning in this into another "look what Bush did" redirection moment. Accountability? How's that tax cheat Tim Geithner doing? Yeah, the guy that's going after tax cheats I guess has the experience.
Hmm...Jack Abramoff much? I mean, since were going to talk about problems with the associates of Presidents that the President could possibly have known nothing about.
There's my 'Bush Redirect'. Ha! Why didn't Bushie vet Abramoff? Oh, he wasn't an appointee? Does that matter?
Like the issue with Michelle's staff?
(http://people.delphiforums.com/nellie501/af1disney.jpg)
BB, that's freakin over the top! Best AF1 shot yet.
Hell I just found it...It's genius for sure....