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Title: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: shadows on April 26, 2009, 05:49:45 PM
Do they serve Tea in our off-shore detaining camp like we have in Cuba? The participates in the original "Tea Party" dressed  as Indians but now the present day Indians are far to busy counting  the mula from the former  ancestors of the "Tee Party", that are collecting like taxes on preprogrammed machines that favor the house.  The house always win.

If  the present president can associate and the British can associate stimulus with Tea we due to have a National Tea party.  We have  lasted our republic democratic system in a world of constant changes. We have installed the greatest killing machine ever devised on this planet.   We are the greater debtor to the world and our unborn grand children.  No one wants to reduce it our population.   I tried dividing 10.7 trillion by 360 million and my slide rule came apart, then fed the figures into my Monroe computer and it came up with zeros. 

When we look at a world map laid out flat we can see we are a very small nation among the land area and hind sight of many nations that is programming today our future.  Most of these nations are in the ashes toddy because of greed and debts they encountered trying to control the world but instead they lie in an early grave because of greedy people that place their personal ambitions out as a runner to the needs of the society they want to control. 

From the ground level you are watching the rise  and fall of the American Empire,   What do you want added into your tea?  Don't you think the third tea party has began?         
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: FOTD on April 26, 2009, 10:29:54 PM
This should be in the National Thread chain....actually, it doesn't qualify of much of a thread because the empire started cracking up in 2002 with the entrance of the Roman Busheviks. Besides, looks like the author is crocked.

Shadows is lookin' like he been into something ... glue? Bad day at the casinos?


Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: Conan71 on April 26, 2009, 11:55:55 PM
Quote from: FOTD on April 26, 2009, 10:29:54 PM
This should be in the National Thread chain....actually, it doesn't qualify of much of a thread because the empire started cracking up in 2002 with the entrance of the Roman Busheviks. Besides, looks like the author is crocked.

Shadows is lookin' like he been into something ... glue? Bad day at the casinos?




Re-read his post, I think it was the toddys that got him.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: altruismsuffers on April 27, 2009, 12:13:59 PM
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: Red Arrow on April 27, 2009, 06:59:49 PM
Quote from: shadows on April 26, 2009, 05:49:45 PM
I tried dividing 10.7 trillion by 360 million and my slide rule came apart,

Operator error...
Get a circular slide rule.  They don't come apart. They just go round and round until you line up the proper digits.  I still have one, somewhere.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: shadows on April 27, 2009, 10:55:12 PM

Some times we forget that all politics start at the voting polls whether local, state national or playing politics with world governments. We would like to dwell on one subject, one vote.  All politics fall in one category.  That is apathy where we celebrates our own empire before we pass it on to another empire builder.  Today we stand in esteem and view what we build today; tomorrow we will enter in the plea to have it torn away.

I don't have a round slide rule but the local Politian's through fed's seem to have a drawer full because after the circle it come up at the top it reads "Throw some more money at the problem.".

Like the 911shortage the only thing we need to do it give them a sustainable wage increase and add it on the water bill.     
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 28, 2009, 08:47:33 AM
Quote from: shadows on April 27, 2009, 10:55:12 PM
Like the 911shortage the only thing we need to do it give them a sustainable wage increase and add it on the water bill.     

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.  If not, why is a 911 tax being put on a water bill?  And I thought they had a current budget shortage, how would a wage hike help that?

While we are talking about, have you ever been to the communications bunker?  They have a feng shui garden in the interior courtyard.  The place is brand new and damn nice.  But I hate 10 codes.  What's the point.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: shadows on April 28, 2009, 07:03:33 PM
CF:  The good Lord has programmed the citizens of Tulsa op-in through the council whereas only those with wages derived from government sources are the only underpaid paid workers.  Was it only a short time age we went through this 911 and EMSA (close brotherhood) as they take their turns claiming how underpaid they are.  Our greatest error was when we changed the charter we also didn't set the parameters for a closely guarded wage scale.  The Federal government sets such bottom line on wages to be paid on government contracts. (Bacon; Davis Act)  It was the founding fathers who set the price they would pay and any one applying knew what they would be paid for the services they would perform.

Our city employment is as transparent as the 16 foot wide wall of the temple of David.  The TW has a program on internet that you can name the person and under the FOI act can get the information as to their encouraged perforamce This pay scale would encourage the employees to perform efficiently the work in qestion.  If we institute a procedure to open the city jobs on a bid bases every four years we would be surprised how much we could reduced the budget.  This  procedure is used by charter to select elective officials.

The new procedure on giving them all a raise who are underpaid is a new deal of the new president.  It is called stimulus payments that will trickle down from resurfacing IDL loop to the aging citizens and one parent families who cannot pay their utility bills.   It is time to reevaluate the American way and rethink our stupidity.

RM: Thank you for your contribution to the SS act.  I did get that raise in January.  It increased my check $2. Dollars and my increase to the utilites was $26.67.   Please don't give me any more raises.

God cannot save America.   He isn't interested, only the absent voters who don't vote can..
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 28, 2009, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: shadows on April 28, 2009, 07:03:33 PM
RM: Thank you for your contribution to the SS act.  I did get that raise in January.  It increased my check $2. Dollars and my increase to the utilites was $26.67.   Please don't give me any more raises.

Why you calling me out on this thread?

I had nothing to do with your social security check nor your utility rate increase.

I know you have had it in for my family for over thirty years, but I made a new year's resolution to be nice to crazy people and have avoided responding to your "thoughts".
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 28, 2009, 09:04:11 PM
I'm sorry.  Maybe it's because I have been drinking, or maybe not enough.  But I'm still confused.  Are you arguing that government workers are paid too much, or not enough.  I'm leaning towards the translation that they are overpaid whiners, but I'm not entirely sure.

Again, your attempts to be cryptic, clever, whatever just tend to cloud the message.  

I think you meant:

People in Tulsa think government workers are underpaid.  Not long ago EMSA and 911 whined about how underpaid they were.  We screwed up when we changed the city charter and didn't set parameter for governmental wage scales. The Feds set a bottom line on governmental contracts for contractor wages.  The founding fathers paid people on merit for the services performed.

Also, is RM in the Social Security Administration or on the Utility Commissioners board?  I thought he ran the MET, which is recycling.  Which is neither of those things you complained about.

I'm confused again.  I need more beer.

Best guess.  Let me know if I got it right.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: carltonplace on April 29, 2009, 10:47:52 AM
I think this all started when King David's muskrat entered the federally subsidized mines of Soloman to build the toilet pond with a view of the city. When future generations redeem the coupons of bitter fate they will thank the forefathers for their virtuosity.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: Conan71 on April 29, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
Quote from: carltonplace on April 29, 2009, 10:47:52 AM
I think this all started when King David's muskrat entered the federally subsidized mines of Soloman to build the toilet pond with a view of the city. When future generations redeem the coupons of bitter fate they will thank the forefathers for their virtuosity.

One of the better Shadows translations I've ever read.  Bravo!
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: carltonplace on April 29, 2009, 11:42:06 AM
It's a true story. RM was there (he was the contractor) and he can tell you more about it.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: Conan71 on April 29, 2009, 12:04:49 PM
So, was this a composting toilet pond then?
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: USRufnex on April 29, 2009, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: carltonplace on April 29, 2009, 10:47:52 AM
I think this all started when King David's muskrat entered the federally subsidized mines of Soloman to build the toilet pond with a view of the city. When future generations redeem the coupons of bitter fate they will thank the forefathers for their virtuosity.

Could you phrase this in the form of a haiku?
Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: shadows on April 29, 2009, 05:28:17 PM
One seems to forget so easily what is recorded in the archives when it becomes most convenient to them to forget.  In the past when all the raises were given out RM reminded the SS recipients, including myself, that a SS raise was to be included in the January checks.  I did not single out any one of the elite only I used it as reminder..  Please forgive if you feel offended.

It was my intent to show the relationship between inflation and pregnancy among the teens,   Both occur in a fit of passion and greed.  No one seems to realize how fast it can  happen. It is increasing every day.

It was very easy for our tank to pull down the statue in Iraq but it it has taken years, lives and billion of dollars to try to assemble the government again.

I do not have animosity toward any person but seek only to point out our flaws.  Remember Castro and his brother was the total army to over thrower our hand picked government in Cuba.   
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 29, 2009, 05:52:03 PM
Quote from: shadows on April 29, 2009, 05:28:17 PM
It was my intent to show the relationship between inflation and pregnancy among the teens,   Both occur in a fit of passion and greed.  No one seems to realize how fast it can  happen. It is increasing every day.

Actually, this is the first time you have mentioned pregnancy, teens, or inflation in this post. If the intent of this post was to say something about teen pregnancy and inflation but didn't even mention it until page two,  you failed.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: swake on April 29, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
Quote from: shadows on April 29, 2009, 05:28:17 PM
One seems to forget so easily what is recorded in the archives when it becomes most convenient to them to forget. 

So it's easy to forget the past when you want to do so?

I think you have just revolutionized psychotherapy, alert Tom Cruise, stat!

Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 29, 2009, 06:43:23 PM
According to this report...http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html

The rate of teen childbearing in the United States has fallen steeply since the late 1950s, from an all time high of 96 births per 1,000 women aged 15-19 in 1957 to an all time low of 49 in 2000. Birthrates fell steadily throughout the 1960s and 1970s; they were fairly steady in the early 1980s and then rose sharply between 1988 and 1991 before declining throughout the 1990s. In recent years, this downward trend has occurred among teens of all ages and races.

This article says that the inflation rate is at a 50 year low... http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/0116/usa.html

Shadows...do you just make up stupid comments or is this some mis-information strategy?
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: carltonplace on April 29, 2009, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: USRufnex on April 29, 2009, 02:36:24 PM
Could you phrase this in the form of a haiku?
Thanks in advance.

Best shot

King David's muskrat:
Toilet pond with city view?
Future bitter fate!
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: carltonplace on April 29, 2009, 08:13:17 PM
This line in itself has a level of eloquent genious: I do not have animosity toward any person but seek only to point out our flaws.  Remember Castro and his brother was the total army to over thrower our hand picked government in Cuba.


Have I a knew guru which in the shadows lurks? The Artist was do well to make rememberance of these soliloquies for addition to said monuments. (think I'm getting the hang of shadow prose).
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: Red Arrow on April 29, 2009, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: carltonplace on April 29, 2009, 08:13:17 PM
(think I'm getting the hang of shadow prose).

I was forced to learn American English in grammar, junior high and high school with two additional classes in college.  I still have a difficult time with shadow prose and many of FOTD's posts.  (And a few others too.) Maybe I qualify for free remedial training under some government program.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 29, 2009, 10:20:15 PM
The Karma gods are smiling on Carlton Place.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: shadows on April 30, 2009, 10:09:31 PM
I am aware of my usage of prose, that I believe after completing the great pyramids of which the prose were written in pictures, some 1400 years later Moses came along so I helped him write his six books of the Bible. Course every since through history some one or group has rewritten it. It seems to be a throwback of which I try to use the shortest wording possible without using space to institute a single point.

RM: You seem to be reading some of those recycled books.  I worked as a welder for Tulsa Boiler, now Flint Steel, for the grand sum of $17.00 a week, fabricating the Bomber Plant.  That was 20 cents above the minimum wage.  I later went to the erection for $1.37 per hour after the Bacon Davis Act went in effect.  3 pound box of cheese cost 17 cents that cost $4.00 now.. Lets get current with your fancies for heaven sake.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: RecycleMichael on May 01, 2009, 05:31:34 AM
You boiled steel and got an erection for a bacon cheese sandwich?
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: Red Arrow on May 01, 2009, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: RecycleMichael on May 01, 2009, 05:31:34 AM
You boiled steel and got an erection for a bacon cheese sandwich?
And for only $1.37/hr?
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 01, 2009, 09:31:37 AM
Quote from: shadows on April 30, 2009, 10:09:31 PM
It seems to be a throwback of which I try to use the shortest wording possible without using space to institute a single point.

I agree.  You seldom use the space to institute a single point.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: Conan71 on May 01, 2009, 09:51:29 AM
I knew there was something I liked about Shadows, he's an old boilermaker.
Title: Re: The rise and fall of empires
Post by: shadows on May 01, 2009, 04:20:10 PM
The budget process is one of the largest farces that is forced on the taxpayers.  In one meeting a question was brought up on a million dollars that was ask by one department.  The council agreed to leave it where it was budgeted with "if that department don't need it we can transfer that million dollars into another account after we pass the budget."

Liken to the present budget with the increase in utilities of $29.64 yearly attached with that cute little word "AVERAGE".  This allows no cap as to the cost.  Why wasn't it presented as only 8 cents a day.  The budget is for 365 days and should be presented as such showing the total cost per day.