I'll state up front that I'm not one for change. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Anyway, got my tag renewed yesterday and I had the pleasure of being issued one of their new "Native America" plates.
Talk about UGLY and CHEAP looking. The letters/numbers aren't stamped anymore, so it looks like a dang vanity plate.
Sigh.
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?s=9513652
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20081126_12_A1_AllanM790541&archive=yes
Just about every state is moving to plates that are no longer stamped. Saves $$.
I think the new plates look fine. Like them better than the previous plates.
Not stamped?
I'll bet there will be a guy with an inkjet license plate maker at the next gun show.
if there's one thing i hate is a cheap looking license plate.
I demand quality in my license plate. Hand made by the finest prisoners in the swankiest ward in McAlester.
At least you never have to look at yours...but, when you're driving you can look at the persons in front of you and laugh at how ugly their license plate is!
Won't be as easy to counterfeit as you might think given the watermark that is on it. You can only see it when looking directly at the center of the plate. Can't see it from an angle at all.
I got one last Friday. They don't bother me at all. Not sure why people are getting all bent out of shape about it really.
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Originally posted by wavoka
Just about every state is moving to plates that are no longer stamped. Saves $$.
I think the new plates look fine. Like them better than the previous plates.
Just off the top of my head, I know Nevada and Nebraska are like that. They don't have the raised lettering either, and I said the same thing, "they look cheap". But you can really only tell that up close, not when you are behind one at a stoplight or anything. I don't think its that big of a deal.
Stamped does seem more "official," but they do get warped more often and most states are going away from them ($). There is some fear of counterfeit plates I suppose, but previously you could just steal a plate from someone elses car and it would have the same effect. So no huge loss there I suppose (red light cameras maybe?).
The new plates look just fine to me:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3239/2722904923_0abe1f35f9.jpg?v=0)
Iowa has a flat print with 1/32" aluminum and no beveled edge:
(http://www.15q.net/us2/ia02.jpg)
The best authority on plates I found on the net is:
http://www.15q.net/usindex.html
He has not "reviewed" the new Oklahoma plates, but the guy considers the design, the series, the brand of stamp die/print technology. Everything from 1969 - 2008. The OK plate is 2009, so its not there yet. Still, pretty crazy.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Stamped does seem more "official," but they do get warped more often and most states are going away from them ($). There is some fear of counterfeit plates I suppose, but previously you could just steal a plate from someone elses car and it would have the same effect. So no huge loss there I suppose (red light cameras maybe?).
The new plates look just fine to me:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3239/2722904923_0abe1f35f9.jpg?v=0)
Iowa has a flat print with 1/32" aluminum and no beveled edge:
(http://www.15q.net/us2/ia02.jpg)
The best authority on plates I found on the net is:
http://www.15q.net/usindex.html
He has not "reviewed" the new Oklahoma plates, but the guy considers the design, the series, the brand of stamp die/print technology. Everything from 1969 - 2008. The OK plate is 2009, so its not there yet. Still, pretty crazy.
Since it appears he does not like the flat plates that are not stamped and have the generic 3M serial font (all of which the new plate has) he most likely will not like it unless he really, really likes the design.
The state of Deleware has plates that are flat and the numbers are hard to see, Indiana use-to have flat plates but I believe they went back to stamped plates. All in all the real reason for plates is so the cops can nab ya.[xx(]
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The best authority on plates I found on the net is:
http://www.15q.net/usindex.html
Fascinating website! Thanks for posting!!!
Talk about a trip down memory lane.
Why do we have a picture of a Samurai Warrior on our liscense plates?
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Why do we have a picture of a Samurai Warrior on our liscense plates?
I think it should be the Goddess of Oil. [;)]
While the design was not my first choice, I really don't mind. Maybe its just me, but I have more important things to worry about.
I like the look ok.
I don't like how they're handling things though.
I bought a new (used) truck in november and when I went to get a tag they had me pay the new sale/title transfer whatever tax but only like $6 for a tag because they would only sell me a tag good until january. They said I have to go back in january and pay for a whole year. And I may have heard this wrong but pay also $15 for the new tag.
Are they forcing people to pay $15 extra for renewal just so everyone can have the same tag?
I still see cars every once in a while with the 80s style setting sun tag or the even older plain green letters on white tag with no picture or design.
Yes, they are transitioning everyone over, except for the personalized plates. Time to head on down to the tag office and register your "SP8NKME" plate.
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Originally posted by John Redcorn
I like the look ok.
I don't like how they're handling things though.
I bought a new (used) truck in november and when I went to get a tag they had me pay the new sale/title transfer whatever tax but only like $6 for a tag because they would only sell me a tag good until january. They said I have to go back in january and pay for a whole year. And I may have heard this wrong but pay also $15 for the new tag.
Are they forcing people to pay $15 extra for renewal just so everyone can have the same tag?
I still see cars every once in a while with the 80s style setting sun tag or the even older plain green letters on white tag with no picture or design.
That sounds about right with that transfer system many states do it like that, Ohio is letting us keep our old tags (if we want) and just buy a re-newal sticker every year, they also allow for a 2-year re-newal sticker at double the price of course. If you want a new tag you have to pay extra for it, I don't know how much extra. I just keep my old tag and I just buy a new sticker for it each year. In Ohio like most other states the tag stays with the owner when the vehicle is sold, in some states like Texas the tag stays with the vehicle, unless they changed it. Indiana's system is pretty bad, plus they have excise taxes on vehicles.
Will we see a lawsuit over the continued forcing of the Indian theme. With the only way out of it is to spend extra money and get a specialized plate.
Why can't we have the option of a Cowboy/ranchhand. Why do we idealize a group that use to slaughter innocent travelers going West?
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
Will we see a lawsuit over the continued forcing of the Indian theme. With the only way out of it is to spend extra money and get a specialized plate.
Why can't we have the option of a Cowboy/ranchhand. Why do we idealize a group that use to slaughter innocent travelers going West?
You're kidding right?
It could be worse, we could be Kentucky:
(http://www.15q.net/us2/ky04.jpg)
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Originally posted by SXSW
It could be worse, we could be Kentucky:
(http://www.15q.net/us2/ky04.jpg)
jesus. pass the doobie this way man, why you got to be hoggin it?
I love that slogan on the Kentucky plate..."It's that friendly." It makes me want to sip some bourbon with them.
What is a good official Oklahoma slogan?
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I love that slogan on the Kentucky plate..."It's that friendly." It makes me want to sip some bourbon with them.
What is a good official Oklahoma slogan?
What? Did someone say bourbon? I digress.
I think the design could have been a bit better. It's almost as if the plate says "yep, it's where the toothless reside" IMO.
Mr. Burns
Indiana has a flat plate too:
(http://www.15q.net/us2/in09.jpg)
Much worse than ours. Why print it if it is going to be so generic anyway?
They have another cost free option that begged for lawsuits much more than an Indian theme:
(http://www.15q.net/us2/in08.jpg)
I read an article on the Indian theme. The old plate was the a trial crest, the new one is of a statue (I assume you know which one) which is purported to be a member of a different tribe. Spread the wealth!
I'll assume you were trying to stir the pot on the Natives killing thing... I anxiously wait the argument to ensure but refuse to bite first!
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I love that slogan on the Kentucky plate..."It's that friendly." It makes me want to sip some bourbon with them.
What is a good official Oklahoma slogan?
Oklahoma is OK!
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
Will we see a lawsuit over the continued forcing of the Indian theme. With the only way out of it is to spend extra money and get a specialized plate.
Why can't we have the option of a Cowboy/ranchhand. Why do we idealize a group that use to slaughter innocent travelers going West?
Wow....you must not have any quorum of Native American blood, do you? I'm pretty proud of MY Native American heritage, and I think the stories of slaughtering 'innocent' travelers going west is a bit exaggerated.
I am sorry but every time I see that plate I think Samurai Warrior. There is the classic, stereotypical, samurai pose that you always see in sculptures and such. There were two versions of the indian statue to choose from. On one you could see the indian in profile and tell that it was an indian. In the other, the one the numnuts chose, you CANT tell its an indian, it looks exactly like that Samurai stuff you always see. I can only imagine people from out of state going "Why is there a Samurai Warrior on the Oklahoma tags?" Why they didnt choose the one where you could tell what it was I don't know.
The other version in profile, you could see the face, hair and muscles. At this weird angle it looks like his arm has armor on it and he is wearing a helmet and samurai body armor. At any distance, it looks exactly like a Samurai Warrior, not an indian lol. (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/641/samuraiindian2ua9.jpg)
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/231/samuraiwarriorninja61rx5.jpg)
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I love that slogan on the Kentucky plate..."It's that friendly." It makes me want to sip some bourbon with them.
What is a good official Oklahoma slogan?
What kind of name is Poon?
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
Will we see a lawsuit over the continued forcing of the Indian theme. With the only way out of it is to spend extra money and get a specialized plate.
Why can't we have the option of a Cowboy/ranchhand. Why do we idealize a group that use to slaughter innocent travelers going West?
I guess the reason is because Oklahoma is a Indian State and the state moto is based in that theme. Many states focus the licence plates on what they are famous for. Michigan has the focus on being a Great Lake State, Idaho on their fine, potatos, N. Carolina on Kitty Hawk and the first flight of aircraft, and so on. A another good theme for Oklahoma license plates would be one about Oil, Oklahoma is a big oil state. Some states are dull and have nothing much to boast about like Ohio & Iowa IMO of course.[8]
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
quote:
Originally posted by MDepr2007
Will we see a lawsuit over the continued forcing of the Indian theme. With the only way out of it is to spend extra money and get a specialized plate.
Why can't we have the option of a Cowboy/ranchhand. Why do we idealize a group that use to slaughter innocent travelers going West?
I guess the reason is because Oklahoma is a Indian State and the state moto is based in that theme. Many states focus the licence plates on what they are famous for. Michigan has the focus on being a Great Lake State, Idaho on their fine, potatos, N. Carolina on Kitty Hawk and the first flight of aircraft, and so on. A another good theme for Oklahoma license plates would be one about Oil, Oklahoma is a big oil state. Some states are dull and have nothing much to boast about like Ohio & Iowa IMO of course.[8]
you might wanna check on the state motto.
It has NOTHING to do with Indians.
"Labor Omnia Vincit" - Labor Conquers All Things.
You might want to come back every once in a while to refresh your memory about Oklahoma.
I am amused at your tenacity Hoss. Every time Sauerkraut has something to say about life in Tulsa/Oklahoma you're there to remind us that he lives in Ohio. Makes me chuckle, for better or worse.
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Originally posted by TheArtist
I am sorry but every time I see that plate I think Samurai Warrior. There is the classic, stereotypical, samurai pose that you always see in sculptures and such. There were two versions of the indian statue to choose from. On one you could see the indian in profile and tell that it was an indian. In the other, the one the numnuts chose, you CANT tell its an indian, it looks exactly like that Samurai stuff you always see. I can only imagine people from out of state going "Why is there a Samurai Warrior on the Oklahoma tags?" Why they didnt choose the one where you could tell what it was I don't know.
The other version in profile, you could see the face, hair and muscles. At this weird angle it looks like his arm has armor on it and he is wearing a helmet and samurai body armor. At any distance, it looks exactly like a Samurai Warrior, not an indian lol. (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/641/samuraiindian2ua9.jpg)
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/231/samuraiwarriorninja61rx5.jpg)
+1 all the way
Also looks like his bow isn't strung.
his bow isn't strung on the original sculpture.
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=sacred+rain+arrow
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I am amused at your tenacity Hoss. Every time Sauerkraut has something to say about life in Tulsa/Oklahoma you're there to remind us that he lives in Ohio. Makes me chuckle, for better or worse.
Yep, especially when half the stuff he disseminates about us is either wrong or outdated by about 20 years.
I'm glad I'm amusing someone at least.
[:D]
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Originally posted by grahambino
his bow isn't strung on the original sculpture.
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=sacred+rain+arrow
I'm sooo glad that it typed everything in for me...that would have been exhausting! LoL
Well, thanks to sharpies, mine will be promptly corrected.
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Originally posted by grahambino
his bow isn't strung on the original sculpture.
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=sacred+rain+arrow
I can't get to that site, apparently you have to be on the IFA.
Intelligent Fellows Association?
Israeli Foreign Affairs?
International Freaking A-hole?
Illegally Fun Alien?
Imbibing foaming ale?
Irradiated female ant?
Incredibly furry ape?
Insane fighting Argentinian?
Idiosyncratic farming aggie?
Islamic fundamentalist arson?
Indonesian from Asia?
Iraqi female academic?
Damn it man, what qualifications do I need!!!
According to wikipedia...IFA is a type of voodoo.
In traditional Yoruba culture, Ifá refers to a system of divination and the verses of the literary corpus known as the Odú Ifá presented in the course of divination. Orunmila is the deity associated with Ifa diviniation.
Ifá originated in West Africa among the Yourba ethnic groups. It is also practiced among believers in Lucumi, (sometimes referred to as Santería), Candomblé, West African & Diaspora Vodou, and similarly transplanted Orisa'Ifa lineages in the New World. In Togo, it is known as Afa, where the Vodou deities come through and speak. In many of their Egbes, it is Alaundje who is honored as the first Bokono to have been taught how to divine the destiny of humans using the holy system of Afa.
The Yoruba divination system enabled diviners to invoke the word of God through the teachings of Orunmila, the Yoruba deity of wisdom, prophecy and ethics. Esu (Eshu), who is in charge of spiritual justice, as well as the god directly in charge of transportation of ebos, lends his authority or ase to the oracle for the purpose of clarifying the issues at hand and providing direction to those seeking guidance. Ifa divination rites provide an avenue of communication between the spirit world and that of the living.
Performing Ifa divination is called idafa (or dida owo and ounte ale). Idafa is performed by a Babalawo or Iyanifa (an initiated priest). Babalawo can be translated as "father of the secrets". The babalawo provides insights about the current circumstances impacting the life of a person requesting this information and provides any necessary information to aid the individual.
Initiation into Ifa requires rigorous study. An aspiring Babalawo must learn AT LEAST four verses from each of the 256 chapters (Odu) of Ifa. The minimum of four verses will of necessity include ebos and ooguns (medicine) that are embedded and relevant to each of the verses, plus other issues that complement divination.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Intelligent Fellows Association?
Interweb For a**holes.
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Why do we have a picture of a Samurai Warrior on our liscense plates?
LOL!!
Well I think the archer is cool, an since this reminds me of my astrological sign, when I'm given one of these plates, I'm going to put a custom frame around it that covers up the "Native America" with "Sagittarius." [}:)]
I have to admit, I like the plates just fine. It never occurred to me that the archer looked like anything but a Native American with a bow, but we don't all have the creative mind that Franklin has[;)].
I kept my first license plate from the late 60's. It was industrial orange background with black numbers and a year date. Each year we had to go get new metal plates with a new date. We've come a long ways since then.
Consider us in Oklahoma lucky.
Texasans are required to purchase and display two license tags plus a windshield sticker.
I thought the image was Cupid when I first say one of the new Oklahoma tags.
I was fine with "Oklahoma is OK."
Short and to the point.
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Originally posted by PonderInc
I was fine with "Oklahoma is OK."
Short and to the point.
I first saw that on an license in 71 shortly before the family moved here from PA. I thought it was corney. Was it in reference to the 2 letter postal abbreviations? Was it saying the state was just OK, not great, not terrible, just OK? Something else?
Short yes. Point, which one?
the 70s were a bad time for slogans. Arkansas had a slogan "Land of Opportunity" on their plates. Ponder on that.....well I guess Bill C took it to heart.
"Oklahoma is OK" was awful.
This new tag is 1,000 times better.
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Originally posted by Hawkins
"Oklahoma is OK" was awful.
This new tag is 1,000 times better.
+1.
Sure it was clever, but the essentially message was "Oklahoma is mediocre." Woohoo! I want to visit/move/start a business there. Not that Native America sells the place entirely, but certainly says something about the state other than we are mediocre.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
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Originally posted by Hawkins
"Oklahoma is OK" was awful.
This new tag is 1,000 times better.
+1.
Sure it was clever, but the essentially message was "Oklahoma is mediocre." Woohoo! I want to visit/move/start a business there. Not that Native America sells the place entirely, but certainly says something about the state other than we are mediocre.
I like native america, because when I hear native america I think of this guy:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/brokenwhenopen/gangs.jpg)
and this guy:
(http://philzine.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/there-will-be-blood-baptism-by-oil.jpg)
but not really this guy, though we'll throw him in too. DDL IS native america haha
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080130/films-worth-saving/last-of-the-mohicans_l.jpg)
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Originally posted by Hawkins
"Oklahoma is OK" was awful.
This new tag is 1,000 times better.
At the time, I believe folks related to the musical 'Oklahoma" where the last line is "Oklahoma...OK!" thus Oklahoma is OK. But it wasn't OK even then!
Quote from: TheArtist on January 08, 2009, 11:41:56 AM
Why do we have a picture of a Samurai Warrior on our liscense plates?
That's the statue in front of Gilcrease, FYI
So think of it this way. Tulsa won something for once.
I personally like the new tags, if anything, we were glad to get rid of our old tag that started with 666. I do admit they look somewhat cheap, but many states are going to the ones like OK has now. So it isn't just OK being cheap.
I noticed yesterday that on one plate, in the lower right, the Osage shield is still present. But I don't see it on the official version from the State online. So perhaps someone just put a sticker on there.
So, ahh, never mind then.
Official image (large):
http://www.tax.ok.gov/images/OK-Archer-Plate2.gif