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RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA
Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET
A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.
Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."
The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.
When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."
When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."
Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."
He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."
He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.
He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all." Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.
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The Author, the "professor" works for the Russian equivalent of the State Department. He is the government spokesmen on state run TV (it is all state run mind you) to give the party line.
His latest news items:
- Crisis in the US, mass violence begins as shooting erupts in California! By 2009 such events will become widespread as the violent Americans regress into economic chaos.
- #1054;#1090; #1045;#1076;#1080;#1085;#1086;#1081; #1056;#1086;#1089;#1089;#1080;#1080; #1082; #1045;#1074;#1088;#1072;#1079;#1080;#1081;#1089;#1082;#1086;#1081; #1056;#1091;#1089;#1080; (From United Russia to the Eurasian Russia_ - Glorious Russia will unite the territory it lost in after the cold war and form a nation stretching from Egypt to China in an interstate union (A union of socialist state if you will).
- Corruption, Greed and Fear: The History of Slavs
- "Information warfare USSR and the U.S." How Russian control, creation, and dissemination of information can skew the geopolitical landscape.
Most telling... he has authored:
1) Information War and Peace
and 2) Information warfare and diplomacyPardon me for taking him seriously. Better yet, pardon Drudge. In all fairness, it was part of a spread on Russian saber rattling.[/edit]
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Weeeeeeeeeee!!!
The guy starts out with some good points. The dollar is a floating currency not supported by anything. He points about our RETARDED national debt.
Of course the Euro, the Pound, the Yen, the Peso, the Loony, the well, all of them except currencies pegged to the dollar are floating. The Ruble is supported by Putin's say so - it is not floating, it is artificially pegged by the government. So really, that point is moot.
And yes, the USA has far too much debt. However, we have no defaulted and had our debts wiped in the last 20 years. We do not have loans from the world bank, the IMF, and the development fund.
And yes, our economy is on the downswing. Our markets are down 40% and tons of money has been lost. Then again... Russia is down 70%. Their primary commodity (oil) is in the tank.
But those points are all well taken. He then steps off the deep end...
Who will step up for the USA? Why Russia of course! They will be able to control the world markets.
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He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions.
None of which has changed in the last 225 years. In fact, pretty sure those are included as our strengths. I had no idea our federal system, states rights, and political disagreements were making the US split apart.
BUT... up to this point I was still going "interesting points." Then he shows his pure ignorance of America.
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He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.
1) The Chinese population on the West coast is not the dominant force.
2) The Hispanics in the "South" are not a majority. In the SW many are, but they just came to the USA and I have never heard a notion that they now want to break it up.
3) Texas. He realizes our current president is from Texas right? There are more gun toting flag waiving Americans in Texas than he can even imagine. They asked three times to JOIN the union ffs.
4) Atlantic Coast with it's "distinct mentality." New Hampshire and NYC are identical. As are Philadelphia and Miami.
5) Would the Natives in the room please stand up and tell us about your plans to break the central plains away from the rest of the US and please reveal your "large population" numbers to me. Oklahoma is among the highest in the nation with 11% Native Populations. Of those 11% the vast majority identify themselves as American first, and Native second. Perhaps 33% of the Native Americans being actively involved with their tribes (perhaps).
6) Northern States... where Canada is a strong influence.
Argh. I'm from Iowa. Spent plenty of time in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Hell, lots of time in Canada. Still do every year.
I must have missed this influence. Lets call people in Minnesota and ask who the president of Canada is. Hell, ask what the capital is (damn, hockey fans might know). Sorry, succeeding to Canada or under their influence just isn't that likely.
7) Then, for fun, he brings up Alaska. In case you didn't know... Russia alternatively claims they only "leased" it to us or that it as sold under the Csar and the Soviets and subsequent governments don't have to recognize the sale (they started caring when we found oil up there). Anyone hear know any Alaskans? Most of them either are, were, or have relatives in the US military.
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Really, the guy is at a loss. No decent basis in his argument. The pacific northwest and New Hampshire would be the two places I would vote for succession. However, even in those instances it doesn't work for many, many reasons. Foremost the economics involved. Secondary, of course, are the inter connectivity of the states.
I wasn't born in Oklahoma. My sister not born in New Mexico. My friends in Portland were not born there either. Of those that were, they have friends, relatives, business connections, military ties and an interest in the rest of the states.
You can make an argument that the United States will not be so forever. Clearly that is a coherent argument. Unfortunately, the above appears to be more doom and gloom from Russia. At least make it believable next time.
When we break into smaller countries, please don't have Oklahoma go with Texas. I Tulsa to want to be part of Kansas with northeast Arkansas and southern Missouri with us .
Our cities are bigger and Tulsa could be the capital.
omg this is hilarious. so we are all going to divide into racist nations....hahahahahaha. This stuff makes good comedy. I'm sure they wrote this story to get Chavez' spirits up.
It is not good that oil is going down, but when it pisses these turds off I say keep it dropping.
The guy lost me when he said Russia would step into the power vacuum. Russia is barely stable enough to control even its own borders, much less anyone else's.
The secession of a bunch of regions in the United States is a joke, too. Where is there any public sentiment to do so, except for a few loony tunes (yeah, Todd Palin, I'm lookin' at you)?
Here is his "official" website. Very odd for someone working for a Russian federal agency. Complete with banner adds, book buying chances, and a member of the Patriotic Ring of Resources. George Orwell would be so proud.
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.panarin.com%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en
It's as if Anne Coulter was hired as Secretary of State by GW.
I thought this was a piece from the Onion! It was certainly worthy of their publication. I wonder what he thinks held us together during the great Depression when many of the same factors were present?
Heh, a Russian Rush Limbaugh!
Do you think the guy actually believes this stuff? Or is it totally political propaganda, he says it, then in private laughs as the public buys it?
It seems that since FOTD has been banned from TN, he has moved to Russia and is posting there now.
I read this yesterday and thought that Drudge had found an Onion article... or maybe this was from Cold War Russia. Nope, it is from today Russia. I think their leader, Medevdev (whatshisnutts) has a desire to move Russia back to "MotherRussia". All of their recent movements have reflected that. I am still not sure what to think about what is going on with Chavez, and I am really not sure what to think about Chavez himself. I actually think he isn't a terrible guy, not someone I would want to have a beer with mind you... but not a guy I would run from in a crowded room.
And for the record, I did live in Alaska, and you are mostly correct. The military (former and current) population of Fairbanks Alaska is around 55%. About 25% are people that came to work on the pipeline and the rest are inuits.
I would not overlook that our history is written and revised in the eyes of the beholder. The Vikings established the country in about 860 AD and they had a war sustained history. They were first in space. They developed the first space station. Germany failed to get their oil reserves in ww11. Napoleon met his end as a world power in Russia. "Missiles of October" was a tradeoff to remove them from Europe and they would not put them in Cuba. We cannot control our borders any more than they can. It is better to take offensive action today rather than ignore what we are being told.
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Originally posted by shadows
It is better to take offensive action today rather than ignore what we are being told.
Please elaborate this sentence.
I think you can't take shadows out of context...
I would not overlook that our history is written and revised in the eyes of the beholder. The Vikings established the country in about 860 AD and they had a war sustained history. They were first in space. They developed the first space station. Germany failed to get their oil reserves in ww11. Napoleon met his end as a world power in Russia. "Missiles of October" was a tradeoff to remove them from Europe and they would not put them in Cuba. We cannot control our borders any more than they can. It is better to take offensive action today rather than ignore what we are being told.
I think he means this...AD (Adrian Peterson's nickname) leads the Vikings to victory in games played in October, especially against international teams. Our offensive line will play reserves on the line of scrimmage by controlling space around the border."
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
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Originally posted by shadows
It is better to take offensive action today rather than ignore what we are being told.
Please elaborate this sentence.
One could consider the person who would predict the breaking up of the U.S. is not available to the history books of this nation established as a British Criminal Colony, Religion fanatics, and prostitutes who became the elitist of Boston because of their contacts with their johns. He compares our 225 year history with that which is available to him as beginning with the Vikings some 2200 years ago. He writes from a background of recorded history of the great empires of our times such as the "Sun Never Sets On the British Empire" The saga of the "Spanish Armada", the establishing of the division of this U.S. into two separate nations in the 1850's causing our war of 1860.. He has available to him the prediction of this country that those who we consider foreign born will within 3 decades be the majority.
What he is trying to tell us is that we need some ear clips that extend out from our ears to keep those oversized white hats we are designing for our elitist from falling down over our eyes that are keeping us from seeing what is happening.
Translation: If you think the US collapsing is far fetched, help do something to keep it that way rather than being complacent and ignorant.
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Originally posted by shadows
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
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Originally posted by shadows
It is better to take offensive action today rather than ignore what we are being told.
Please elaborate this sentence.
One could consider the person who would predict the breaking up of the U.S. is not available to the history books of this nation established as a British Criminal Colony, Religion fanatics, and prostitutes who became the elitist of Boston because of their contacts with their johns. He compares our 225 year history with that which is available to him as beginning with the Vikings some 2200 years ago. He writes from a background of recorded history of the great empires of our times such as the "Sun Never Sets On the British Empire" The saga of the "Spanish Armada", the establishing of the division of this U.S. into two separate nations in the 1850's causing our war of 1860.. He has available to him the prediction of this country that those who we consider foreign born will within 3 decades be the majority.
What he is trying to tell us is that we need some ear clips that extend out from our ears to keep those oversized white hats we are designing for our elitist from falling down over our eyes that are keeping us from seeing what is happening.
I'm sorry I asked.
You ask shadows a question, and you get an answer that simply confuses even more.
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Originally posted by shadows
One could consider the person who would predict the breaking up of the U.S. is not available to the history books of this nation established as a British Criminal Colony, Religion fanatics, and prostitutes who became the elitist of Boston because of their contacts with their johns. He compares our 225 year history with that which is available to him as beginning with the Vikings some 2200 years ago. He writes from a background of recorded history of the great empires of our times such as the "Sun Never Sets On the British Empire" The saga of the "Spanish Armada", the establishing of the division of this U.S. into two separate nations in the 1850's causing our war of 1860.. He has available to him the prediction of this country that those who we consider foreign born will within 3 decades be the majority.
What he is trying to tell us is that we need some ear clips that extend out from our ears to keep those oversized white hats we are designing for our elitist from falling down over our eyes that are keeping us from seeing what is happening.
I should be afraid of a foreign-born Boston prostitute with a British accent who is wearing a white hat?
If it turns out that this Russian economist also predicted the fall of his evil empire in 1989, I will give him a little more credibility. Ironic that no one saw the Soviet collapse coming, even though all the signs were evident, yet people fret about our collapse when we've been through worse and handled it.
"THE STATUE OF LIBERTY IS KAPUT!!!!!!!!"
What movie? Anyone......Anyone?
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Originally posted by waterboy
If it turns out that this Russian economist also predicted the fall of his evil empire in 1989, I will give him a little more credibility. Ironic that no one saw the Soviet collapse coming, even though all the signs were evident, yet people fret about our collapse when we've been through worse and handled it.
One of my college professors predicted the Soviet Union's collapse in the early 1980s.
I wish I could remember the dude's name. But I remember him distinctly saying that the Soviets' economy simply couldn't sustain its gigantic spending on the military. He was quietly scoffed by a few of my classmates, but he turned out to be right on the money.
And does anyone think Russia's going to be a big dog with $50 a barrel oil? I don't.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
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Originally posted by shadows
It is better to take offensive action today rather than ignore what we are being told.
Please elaborate this sentence.
In southeast Oklahoma is a large stone(Rune Stone) that is supposed to show pre-Russians also visited Oklahoma and described on it is a calendar of the event. It now has been enclosed with glass.
The failure to predict the reduction of the Russian state reflects only that those of a race gather together. The professor did not use presumption but the natures of species, gather by such nature do withdraw or divide in the progression of time.
We have fulfilled the inscription on the Statue of Liberty (Mother of Exiles) having received "Their Tired, Their Poor, Their Huddled Masses" to the extent we are unable even to estimate (even local) how many,
It is not the professor does not understand the U.S. but is well aware of the nature of men who become slaves to a system and want to break away. History shows that in time the circle has never been broken. Between Alpha and Omega are the short records of all empires.
Apologize because being unable to upgrade my 4th grade language showing my ignorance where the elitist on board can understand but it has been my belief U.S. will divide into three countries by race and speech,
RM: have you checked on those ear clips that will keep that oversized white hat from falling down over your eyes so you can see the world of today?
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Originally posted by shadows
RM: have you checked on those ear clips that will keep that oversized white hat from falling down over your eyes so you can see the world of today?
I don't need them. I have a circus-sized head. When I was born, my parents quickly put me in the State Fair to raise money for my college fund.
Years ago, I was dating a woman who liked country music and encouraged me to buy a cowboy hat. I went to Drysdale's, a store that has hundreds, if not thousands of hats.
The salesman measured my head, paused, and then re-measured. He then turned and yelled at the other salesman and said, "Where's that one hat?"
I was humiliated that I would need the one hat so big it could be identified that way. It was probably special-ordered for some guy who was still appearing in a freak show area in a state fair somewhere.
They couldn't find it. It eventually led me to break up with the girl which helped me meet my wife of today.
That, my friend, is what I see in the world of today.
RM, could you please elaborate on that?
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Apologize because being unable to upgrade my 4th grade language
I don't know your particular situation but for most people going back to school is an option. It's a difficult option sometimes. Just one of the good things about the USA.
Drudge will post up just about anything on his page. He's a sensationalist, not a journalist.
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"THE STATUE OF LIBERTY IS KAPUT!!!!!!!!"
What movie? Anyone......Anyone?
Well, that's very off putting. Who is that?
Rosey, our friendly German propagandist.
RUNNER!
/Saving Private Ryan (quote is something like that)
RA quoted: don't know your particular situation but for most people going back to school is an option. It's a difficult option sometimes. Just one of the good things about the USA
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Well this was in the great depression where fortunes were made by some and others struggled for existence. Now our one room school house burned down because one of the sixth graders filled the pot belly stove with coal, being there was snow on the ground The school district did not have the money to rebuild. The school marm who worked for $40 dollars a month ran off with a cowboy so by the time I could have gone back to school there was no teacher to use old Smithy's barn for a class room so by the time the school was rebuilt the WW11 had started.
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Originally posted by shadows
RA quoted: don't know your particular situation but for most people going back to school is an option. It's a difficult option sometimes. Just one of the good things about the USA
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Well this was in the great depression where fortunes were made by some and others struggled for existence. Now our one room school house burned down because one of the sixth graders filled the pot belly stove with coal, being there was snow on the ground The school district did not have the money to rebuild. The school marm who worked for $40 dollars a month ran off with a cowboy so by the time I could have gone back to school there was no teacher to use old Smithy's barn for a class room so by the time the school was rebuilt the WW11 had started.
The point is you can STILL go back. Get your GED, go on to college. When I was a career counselor at TCC I occasionally had much older people come in. I would give them the same shpeel I gave the high school students lol. "We can help you figure out what you want to be when you grow up" [:P] I remember saying that to one 90 year old lady, she got a good laugh out of it.
By signing in you can take some of the interesting quizzes online that will help you see what kind of career would a good match for your; personality, abilities, motivators, interests, etc. http://www.tulsacc.edu/page.asp?durki=4569
Its never too late to educate.
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Originally posted by shadows
RA quoted: don't know your particular situation but for most people going back to school is an option. It's a difficult option sometimes. Just one of the good things about the USA
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Well this was in the great depression where fortunes were made by some and others struggled for existence. Now our one room school house burned down because one of the sixth graders filled the pot belly stove with coal, being there was snow on the ground The school district did not have the money to rebuild. The school marm who worked for $40 dollars a month ran off with a cowboy so by the time I could have gone back to school there was no teacher to use old Smithy's barn for a class room so by the time the school was rebuilt the WW11 had started.
Well, you have the background to be a country singer.
See Artist's reply above about going back to school.
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By signing in you can take some of the interesting quizzes online that will help you see what kind of career would a good match for your; personality, abilities, motivators, interests, etc. http://www.tulsacc.edu/page.asp?durki=4569
I took that test and it recommended a career in garbage.
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Originally posted by TheArtist
By signing in you can take some of the interesting quizzes online that will help you see what kind of career would a good match for your; personality, abilities, motivators, interests, etc. http://www.tulsacc.edu/page.asp?durki=4569
I took that test and it recommended a career in garbage.
Maybe not that far off. I was informed (about 20 yrs ago) that what I used to call a junk yard is actually an Automotive Salvage Yard. I appreciated the difference once it was explained to me.
I took 3 different tests that would use different methods to tally a list of likely careers. The top career every single one of them said I should go for was Anthropologist lol. Sounded great, still find it fascinating, but I couldn't see how I could make any money at it though lol. So here I ended up being an artist, go figure. I would have liked to have been an archaeologist as well aka "an anthropologist who studies prehistoric people and their culture"... actually I get to do a lot of that when I am on here anyway. [:P]
Alley Oop?
Holy crap Artist... are you telling me that before spending money and years of your life in college studying something that you spent 5 minutes considering whether or not it would be a good career choice?
If only more college prospects would do that.
If you really wanted to do it and were willing to accept that it would likely be a failing career then so be it. But soooo many people get a sociology degree and then graduate and are pissed that they are only marginally more employable. Argh.
Education for educations sake is a good thing, but be aware what you are getting in to.
In today's world education has replaced the joy of living as nature intended. In a recent obituary was the details of a boy who grew up with one of my son's.
His education included: CPA, cleared to practiced before IRS,
Captain in armed forces in Nam, professor at Phoenix and Tulsa, Employed as professor by US in islands, three years law student. Looking out the window in class watched a 18 wheeler going by and thought "That fellow just guides that truck down the road while others load and unload it for him." Trained for truck driving, spent 3 years.
Considered as a vagabond of nature, forced into a world of uncertainty that shunned the laws of nature, shot himself. The cane with the gold ball on it gathers dust of the ages.
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Originally posted by shadows
In today's world education has replaced the joy of living as nature intended. In a recent obituary was the details of a boy who grew up with one of my son's.
His education included: CPA, cleared to practiced before IRS,
Captain in armed forces in Nam, professor at Phoenix and Tulsa, Employed as professor by US in islands, three years law student. Looking out the window in class watched a 18 wheeler going by and thought "That fellow just guides that truck down the road while others load and unload it for him." Trained for truck driving, spent 3 years.
Considered as a vagabond of nature, forced into a world of uncertainty that shunned the laws of nature, shot himself. The cane with the gold ball on it gathers dust of the ages.
Earlier, you felt the need to apologize for your relative lack of communication skills. My comments about going back to school were solely in regard to enable to feel better about that. I intended nothing about your value as a person, your career choice, or society's impression of you. If you go back to school, do it for yourself. Good Luck.