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Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: Wilbur on November 04, 2008, 05:52:50 PM
I was listening to Fox News on the radio this afternoon on my drive home and heard an interview with a voting woman at a polling place (have no idea where).  She indicated her only reason for voting for her candidate was because he was African American.  That made me wonder:

1.  If you only vote for someone because they are a certain color, is that different then voting against someone because they are a certain color?

2.  If I'm white and vote for McCain only because he is white (and his opponent black), am I racist?

3.  If I'm black and vote for Obama only because he is black (and his opponent white), am I racist?

4.  if yes, equally on both parts?

5.  Why or why not?

6.  If the reason I vote for the black candidate is only because he is black and we've never had a black president before, am I racist?

7.  Even more or less so?
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: mfox on November 04, 2008, 05:55:11 PM
Yes, Voting for/against the color of a candidates skin is racist both ways and equal in anyway, shape, or form
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: inteller on November 04, 2008, 05:59:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Wilbur

I was listening to Fox News on the radio this afternoon on my drive home and heard an interview with a voting woman at a polling place (have no idea where).  She indicated her only reason for voting for her candidate was because he was African American.  That made me wonder:

1.  If you only vote for someone because they are a certain color, is that different then voting against someone because they are a certain color?

2.  If I'm white and vote for McCain only because he is white (and his opponent black), am I racist?

3.  If I'm black and vote for Obama only because he is black (and his opponent white), am I racist?

4.  if yes, equally on both parts?

5.  Why or why not?

6.  If the reason I vote for the black candidate is only because he is black and we've never had a black president before, am I racist?

7.  Even more or less so?



yes I heard that too.  then she went on to say "I want to vote for someone who represents our diverse society"

Really?

Obama represents asians, jews, latinos, etc etc?  Seems to be his "diversity" is about skin deep.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: nathanm on November 04, 2008, 06:26:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mfox

Yes, Voting for/against the color of a candidates skin is racist both ways and equal in anyway, shape, or form


There's no denying that in most cases (here, the exceptions prove the rule) that people brought up in a predominantly black community are exposed to significantly different ideas than those of us born into rural or small-city white society.

That's not good or bad, it just is. Obama is lucky to have traveled in many circles, which in my opinion provides a better basis for understanding where others are coming from.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: mfox on November 04, 2008, 06:34:13 PM
quote:

There's no denying that in most cases (here, the exceptions prove the rule) that people brought up in a predominantly black community are exposed to significantly different ideas than those of us born into rural or small-city white society.


No matter where you are born, Voting by skin color is racist, My favorite color is green so if Yoda was running for president and I voted for him for his green skin, I would be racist.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: nathanm on November 04, 2008, 06:46:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mfox


No matter where you are born, Voting by skin color is racist, My favorite color is green so if Yoda was running for president and I voted for him for his green skin, I would be racist.


Yes, but voting for someone based on who they are is not. Who they are is shaped by their childhood.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: mfox on November 04, 2008, 06:51:02 PM

quote:

Yes, but voting for someone based on who they are is not. Who they are is shaped by their childhood.


I agree, vote on who they are/what they stand for not color.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: cannon_fodder on November 05, 2008, 08:11:02 AM
Exit polling data suggests Race helped him.  Of those that thought "Race was a significant factor" more than 60% voted FOR him.  Please note I am not claiming that was the deciding factor, just taking it at face value.

As racists as it may be (and I acknowledge that it is a decision on race and inherently racist, if not in the usual conotation), I viewed the color of his skin as a positive thing.  It draws in a segment of our population.  It looks good to the world.  Another white man has no such benefit.

But what an interesting development, who would have thought in VIRGINIA of all places, that being black would be an advantage?
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: waterboy on November 05, 2008, 08:54:04 AM
I didn't hear the comment but I'm not surprised by it. Most people are not too good in expressing themselves, especially when confronted with a microphone and a camera.

I'm betting that there was much more in her decision as to who she voted for and why. I doubt that if the candidate was black but espoused genocide against fair skinned blacks that she would have supported him. That would be racist indeed.

Her comment is more likely to have been one of a tipping point nature. IOW, there are many factors she may have considered, but in the end she identified with his color and felt comfortable in saying so. Just as Native Americans identify with their own tribes. Hell, just as white, high income, college educated, gambling ex Navy fliers identified with the white ex Navy POW. That's not hard to understand. But when you frame it as color it changes the immpression.

Racism and prejudice are separate issues. Had she said "I only vote for black people" thats racist.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: RecycleMichael on November 05, 2008, 09:20:53 AM
I feel I am not racist, but I will admit to being a specist. I only vote for the human species.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: sgrizzle on November 05, 2008, 10:18:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I feel I am not racist, but I will admit to being a specist. I only vote for the human species.



You make Yoda sad...

I believe Obama's race helped him and in the primaries much as Hillary's gender likely helped hers. Policy-wise there were a lot of similarities between these to and some of their white male counterparts.

I think in the general election is was pretty much a wash. You have the people who voted against him solely because he was African-American and people who voted for him almost solely for the same reason. I also think that since there was such a huge focus on heading in new direction, electing a president of a different race/gender/species was an obvious visual representation of that change.

All of the above is rascist.

I believe in the future, we should get a one page document listing qualifications and policy statements from each candidate and vote blindly in a series of double-elimination one candidate vs one candidate votes.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: Neptune on November 05, 2008, 11:33:59 AM
When Webb won the Senate seat out of Virginia in 2006, it meant an end to "ruby red" Virginia.  And the Obama election in Virginia, went almost exactly the same way.  Northern Virginia is now big enough to offset southwestern Virginia, barely.

There is no way to tell what impact "race" had on this election, despite exit polls.  There is no way to gauge how many voted against Obama because of race.  There is no way to tell if the difference between the historical 90% African Americans that always vote Democratic, and the 97% Obama picked up, had anything to do with "race."
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: cannon_fodder on November 05, 2008, 02:41:14 PM
Nope, there is no way to tell for sure.  But our best way of telling is to walk up and ask people.  The next best way is to look at statistics.

Both suggest it had a positive influence.  We really don't know.  But I also don't really know if an election took place anywhere yesterday other then in my little world, but all evidence suggests it did.  I generally go with what all the evidence suggests.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: Neptune on November 05, 2008, 08:09:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Nope, there is no way to tell for sure.  But our best way of telling is to walk up and ask people.  The next best way is to look at statistics.

Both suggest it had a positive influence.  We really don't know.  But I also don't really know if an election took place anywhere yesterday other then in my little world, but all evidence suggests it did.  I generally go with what all the evidence suggests.



You go with whatever points to "race" as an issue, you love a world where you can blame it on the Black Man.  How do you know whether or not a white Democrat wouldn't have won this election by 12 points?  You don't.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: USRufnex on November 05, 2008, 08:43:17 PM
Well, Democrats already get around 90% of the black vote every four years no matter which white guy runs for Prez..... so, since LBJ got 94% of the black vote back in 1964, does that make Lyndon Johnson a black man?  And of course there was Bill Clinton who was proclaimed our "first black president"....

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081021/POLITICS01/810210428/-1/rss

...and since Obama is half-white, does that make the black folks who vote for him, "half-racist."???  [8D]

Could a black Republican manage to get over 90% of the black vote.... seems unlikely, since......

"A black man voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."

— J.C. Watts, Sr., to his son


Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: HoneySuckle on November 06, 2008, 08:41:34 AM
This is rubbish.  The blacks have generally voted Democrat.  If there were people this time more intent on voting because of Obama, that was a good thing.  Even young whites voted for Obama.  Maybe most Americans will take part in the next general elections instead of sitting on their behind whining about everything.

Besides, as someone mentioned, Obama is half white.  Did he get his votes from the whites because of that?  

Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: sgrizzle on November 06, 2008, 09:12:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by HoneySuckle


Besides, as someone mentioned, Obama is half white.  Did he get his votes from the whites because of that?  





Some people half voted because of that.
Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: USRufnex on November 06, 2008, 10:43:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:
Originally posted by HoneySuckle


Besides, as someone mentioned, Obama is half white.  Did he get his votes from the whites because of that?  





Some people half voted because of that.



And how many white supremecists voted for Obama "because he doesn't act black".....

(http://images.politico.com/global/martinsville2.jpg)

The only time I could personally vote for a political candidate based on race is if the candidate is at least half Vulcan.....

(http://home.kc.rr.com/bobfahey/graphics/tuvok.jpg)

STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: Tuvok

Rank: Lieutenant Commander
Last recorded assignment: Detached leave, security chief of U.S.S. Voyager, for undercover Maquis mission; both ships lost and unaccounted for SD 48307.5; UPDATE — Served aboard Voyager 2371-2378 as Security and Tactical Officer; returned with Voyager to Alpha Quadrant in 2378
Full Name: Tuvok
Species: Vulcan
Time of birth: Stardate 38774, Terran year 2264
Place of birth: Vulcanis Lunar Colony
Education: Starfleet Academy, 2289-2293
Marital status: Married 2304 to T'Pel
Children: Three sons (one named Sek), one daughter (Asil); at least one grandchild, by Sek (T'Meni)


.....
....even though I strongly disagreed with him when he flip-flopped his stance on the Federation-Klingon treaties...  [:D]


Title: Racist Voting ???
Post by: sgrizzle on November 06, 2008, 10:55:20 AM
Spock is half Vulcan. Tuvok is full Vulcan.

Duh.

[:D]