Talk about VP gaffes. In an interview in Colorado, Palin was asked what the VP does (it was a question from a 2nd grader). She responds that the VP is in charge of the Senate and can set policy for the Senate.
Wow. The scary thing is that I expect she believes that, and fully intends to take over the Senate if she were elected.
You can see the full interview here:
http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?aid=63586
It is the final question.
Meh. How would you explain to a second grader that the person "one beat away" from the presidency essentially has no duties BUT to break a tie in the Senate. Perhaps go into the historical context that the 1st runner used to get the job so, as an adversary, he was given no duties?
2nd grader: what does a VP do?
Palin: Nothing. Unless you are Dick Cheney, then you plot for evil to emerge from the shadows and take over the world. But me? Pretty much nothing.
[;)]
/didn't listen to the interview, if I am out of context feel free to call me on it.
Are you kidding me? After the near daily gaffes coming from Obama and Biden you have the audacity to criticize Palin?
Who gives a sh@T!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9L6IfuXrk0
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Originally posted by guido911
Are you kidding me? After the near daily gaffes coming from Obama and Biden you have the audacity to criticize Palin?
Who gives a sh@T!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9L6IfuXrk0
Please! How about the BS the McCain campaign is saying today. The best they could come up with was that Obama rooted for the Phillies, and then turned around and sort of rooted for the Rays.
Palin thing is silly too. At least she had an answer this time.
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Originally posted by jne
The best they could come up with was that Obama rooted for the Phillies, and then turned around and sort of rooted for the Rays.
Apparently everybody has to pick a side. You can't just be on the side of having a good game.
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Originally posted by guido911
Are you kidding me? After the near daily gaffes coming from Obama and Biden you have the audacity to criticize Palin?
Who gives a sh@T!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9L6IfuXrk0
You're kidding me, right?
I can criticize your candidates but don't have the audacity to criticize mine?
Hypocritical, dontcha think?
Kind of expected though. Sad, really.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Meh. How would you explain to a second grader that the person "one beat away" from the presidency essentially has no duties BUT to break a tie in the Senate. Perhaps go into the historical context that the 1st runner used to get the job so, as an adversary, he was given no duties?
2nd grader: what does a VP do?
Palin: Nothing. Unless you are Dick Cheney, then you plot for evil to emerge from the shadows and take over the world. But me? Pretty much nothing.
[;)]
/didn't listen to the interview, if I am out of context feel free to call me on it.
OK, that would have been a funny answer. Maybe she could have just said her job is to wait and see if McCain dies? (followed of course by one of her endearing winks).
FYI, her response is to a reporter, not a second grader--the question just came from a second grader.
Seriously, though, my concern about her statement is that it is the second time that she has offered up this odd and expanded version of what the VP does. Given that she seems to be following in the footsteps of Cheney, I find it disconcerting. And then throw on top of that her abuse of power ....
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Originally posted by jne
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Originally posted by guido911
Are you kidding me? After the near daily gaffes coming from Obama and Biden you have the audacity to criticize Palin?
Who gives a sh@T!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9L6IfuXrk0
Please! How about the BS the McCain campaign is saying today. The best they could come up with was that Obama rooted for the Phillies, and then turned around and sort of rooted for the Rays.
Palin thing is silly too. At least she had an answer this time.
I thought this was what McCain's campaign was saying today.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/21/palin-goofs-on-biden-the-five-crises-obama-will-face/
BS? Not so much.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by guido911
Are you kidding me? After the near daily gaffes coming from Obama and Biden you have the audacity to criticize Palin?
Who gives a sh@T!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9L6IfuXrk0
You're kidding me, right?
I can criticize your candidates but don't have the audacity to criticize mine?
Hypocritical, dontcha think?
Kind of expected though. Sad, really.
Still languishing in Obama's rear end, eh Hoss?
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by guido911
Are you kidding me? After the near daily gaffes coming from Obama and Biden you have the audacity to criticize Palin?
Who gives a sh@T!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9L6IfuXrk0
You're kidding me, right?
I can criticize your candidates but don't have the audacity to criticize mine?
Hypocritical, dontcha think?
Kind of expected though. Sad, really.
Still languishing in Obama's rear end, eh Hoss?
Not nearly as much as you in McCain's.
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1248/vpsenatecbw8.jpg)
Source: United States Constitution (//%22http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Constitution_Pg1of4_AC.jpg%22)
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
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Source: United States Constitution (//%22http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Constitution_Pg1of4_AC.jpg%22)
You're cherry-picking, which isn't surprising.
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US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
So, unless there is a tie in the Senate, the VP has no duties legislatively outside of that. The President of the Senate title is usually more of a celebratory position.
I'd be curious to know how many times the Veep has had to use this power since the framers drafted it.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
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Source: United States Constitution (//%22http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Constitution_Pg1of4_AC.jpg%22)
You're cherry-picking, which isn't surprising.
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US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
So, unless there is a tie in the Senate, the VP has no duties legislatively outside of that. The President of the Senate title is usually more of a celebratory position.
I'd be curious to know how many times the Veep has had to use this power since the framers drafted it.
If you were President of a Bank, yet could only vote in the case of a tie, would you consider your only duty to vote in the event of a tie?
...if so, I'd not want you to be President of my bank.
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1248/vpsenatecbw8.jpg)
Source: United States Constitution (//%22http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Constitution_Pg1of4_AC.jpg%22)
You're cherry-picking, which isn't surprising.
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US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
So, unless there is a tie in the Senate, the VP has no duties legislatively outside of that. The President of the Senate title is usually more of a celebratory position.
I'd be curious to know how many times the Veep has had to use this power since the framers drafted it.
If you were President of a Bank, yet could only vote in the case of a tie, would you consider your only duty to vote in the event of a tie?
...if so, I'd not want you to be President of my bank.
You were the one that cited the US Constitution, not me.
And incompletely, I might add.
I'd say there would be quite a bit of difference between the President of a bank, and the President of the Senate in a Constitutional Republic. Would you agree?
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1248/vpsenatecbw8.jpg)
Source: United States Constitution (//%22http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Constitution_Pg1of4_AC.jpg%22)
You're cherry-picking, which isn't surprising.
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US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
So, unless there is a tie in the Senate, the VP has no duties legislatively outside of that. The President of the Senate title is usually more of a celebratory position.
I'd be curious to know how many times the Veep has had to use this power since the framers drafted it.
If you were President of a Bank, yet could only vote in the case of a tie, would you consider your only duty to vote in the event of a tie?
...if so, I'd not want you to be President of my bank.
You were the one that cited the US Constitution, not me.
And incompletely, I might add.
I'd say there would be quite a bit of difference between the President of a bank, and the President of the Senate in a Constitutional Republic. Would you agree?
I gave you only Page 1 of 4, if that's what you mean.
I'd view "President" as having those duties and responsibilities of any organizations' president. The Constitution does not say voting in a tie is the only responsibility, just that it is that person who would break one.
Vice-Presidential Duties
The framers also devoted scant attention to the vice president's duties, providing only that he "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3). In practice, the number of times vice presidents have exercised this right has varied greatly. John Adams holds the record at 29 votes, followed closely by John C. Calhoun with 28. Since the 1870s, however, no vice president has cast as many as 10 tie-breaking votes. While vice presidents have used their votes chiefly on legislative issues, they have also broken ties on the election of Senate officers, as well as on the appointment of committees in 1881 when the parties were evenly represented in the Senate.
The vice president's other constitutionally mandated duty was to receive from the states the tally of electoral ballots cast for president and vice president and to open the certificates "in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives," so that the total votes could be counted (Article II, section 1). Only a few happy vice presidents — John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Van Buren, and George Bush — had the pleasure of announcing their own election as president. Many more were chagrined to announce the choice of some rival for the office.
Several framers ultimately refused to sign the Constitution, in part because they viewed the vice president's legislative role as a violation of the separation of powers doctrine. Elbridge Gerry, who would later serve as vice president, declared that the framers "might as well put the President himself as head of the legislature." Others thought the office unnecessary but agreed with Connecticut delegate Roger Sherman that "if the vice-President were not to be President of the Senate, he would be without employment, and some member [of the Senate, acting as presiding officer] must be deprived of his vote."
Under the original code of Senate rules, the presiding officer exercised great power over the conduct of the body's proceedings. Rule XVI provided that "every question of order shall be decided by the President [of the Senate], without debate; but if there be a doubt in his mind, he may call for a sense of the Senate." Thus, contrary to later practice, the presiding officer was the sole judge of proper procedure and his rulings could not be turned aside by the full Senate without his assent.
The first two vice presidents, Adams and Jefferson, did much to shape the nature of the office, setting precedents that were followed by others. During most of the nineteenth century, the degree of influence and the role played within the Senate depended chiefly on the personality and inclinations of the individual involved. Some had great parliamentary skill and presided well, while others found the task boring, were incapable of maintaining order, or chose to spend most of their time away from Washington, leaving the duty to a president pro tempore. Some made an effort to preside fairly, while others used their position to promote the political agenda of the administration.
During the twentieth century, the role of the vice president has evolved into more of an executive branch position. Now, the vice president is usually seen as an integral part of a president's administration and presides over the Senate only on ceremonial occasions or when a tie-breaking vote may be needed. Yet, even though the nature of the job has changed, it is still greatly affected by the personality and skills of the individual incumbent.
Full article (//%22http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Vice_President.htm%22)
Whether you say the VP is the president of the Senate or "controls" the Senate is beside the point. My concern was her statement that the VP can set policy in the Senate. It echoes her statement in the debate: "I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chose to exert it in working with the Senate."
Maybe it was different when the VP was the guy who came in second; now he or she is little more than a glorified cabinet member. The idea that VP--basically, an appointed position by the president--would have any control over the Senate disrupts the balance of powers.
Didn't see that Ammendment.
I think she should have just scared the **** out of the kids with a comment like:
"Within six months of taking office, the Russians are going to invade your school room and try to kill you. President McCain is fairly feeble, but I'm going to show up and personally kick their donkey for you, okay? That's what a good VP would do..."
Its just so easy now to tear her down that I truly feel sorry for her.
At least McCain isn't going to win, so she won't suffer the same fate as Dan Quayle.
Within a few months she will fade back into the distant land from which she came, and only the History Channel, with its stupid logger and ice road truck driver reality shows will ever spot her again.
I felt sorry for her too until I considered that she actively sought the nomination and that the nomination has elevated her and probably ensured she will have a long career as a Republican Extreme Right figure, a crowd where she is much adored. She is also assured a place in history. Not bad for a former beauty queen. Imagine what Anita Bryant could have done if she had been born a little later.
I predict she will go on to become a minor celebrity in the hockey world.
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Originally posted by Hometown
Imagine what Anita Bryant could have done if she had been born a little later.
Living in a trailer court, smoking Virginia Slim 100s and wearing a lot of halter tops, I reckon.