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Why do Republicans mock "community organizer" role?
by Michael Landauer
I really don't understand the mocking of Obama for being a community organizer as a young man.
Giuliani last night: "On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted man with an Ivy League education. He worked as a community organizer. What? He worked -- I said -- I said, OK, OK, maybe this is the first problem on the resume."
Palin last night: I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.
Now, the truth is that, starting at age 23, Obama ran a faith-based charity called the Developing Communities Project.
It was made up of eight Catholic parishes when he got there and had one staff member. He was its director, meaning he was in charge. He made decisions about it, including staffing, budgets, etc. And when he left in 1988 to go to law school, he had grown its budget from $70,000 to $400,000, its staff from 1 to 13 people. More important, he created a job training program for this community and a college prep tutoring program.
As mayor, she built a hockey rink/rec center using eminent domain (because apparently there just isn't enough land in Alaska).
And keep in mind the timeline here: Obama did this as a young man BEFORE going to law school, becoming a successful lawyer and a law professor.
I don't think it's right to attack someone for working in a faith-based charity out of college. I think we all have some embarrassing first-jobs in our past. I would not make fun of Palin for being a beauty queen and sports reporter out of college during these same years. Although, I do think Obama's experience shaped his political future a bit better ...
I am proud that he worked for his community. It is something that matters.
Putting someone down to build one's self up. It's a personality defect common to those that have an inferiority complex.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/why-do-republic.html
Why do Republicans mock "community organizer" role?
by Michael Landauer
I really don't understand the mocking of Obama for being a community organizer as a young man.
Giuliani last night: "On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted man with an Ivy League education. He worked as a community organizer. What? He worked -- I said -- I said, OK, OK, maybe this is the first problem on the resume."
Palin last night: I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.
Now, the truth is that, starting at age 23, Obama ran a faith-based charity called the Developing Communities Project.
It was made up of eight Catholic parishes when he got there and had one staff member. He was its director, meaning he was in charge. He made decisions about it, including staffing, budgets, etc. And when he left in 1988 to go to law school, he had grown its budget from $70,000 to $400,000, its staff from 1 to 13 people. More important, he created a job training program for this community and a college prep tutoring program.
As mayor, she built a hockey rink/rec center using eminent domain (because apparently there just isn't enough land in Alaska).
And keep in mind the timeline here: Obama did this as a young man BEFORE going to law school, becoming a successful lawyer and a law professor.
I don't think it's right to attack someone for working in a faith-based charity out of college. I think we all have some embarrassing first-jobs in our past. I would not make fun of Palin for being a beauty queen and sports reporter out of college during these same years. Although, I do think Obama's experience shaped his political future a bit better ...
I am proud that he worked for his community. It is something that matters.
Summer job between college and Law school?
Why does RecycleMichael have this love affair with Barack Obama?
Why does RecycleMichael bash an American hero and a mother he probably never heard of until a few days ago?
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Originally posted by Cubs
Why does RecycleMichael have this love affair with Barack Obama?
Why does RecycleMichael bash an American hero and a mother he probably never heard of until a few days ago?
Why does the American hero consistently use his "hero" status when asked the tough questions?
Wouldn't you question someone who has the virtual equivalent of being president of the Senior Class of Union HS as experience to potentially be the one to carry the flame as the next President of the US?
Why do Repubs always wheel out the "American Hero" mantra for McCain? If truth be told, he doesn't have ANY executive experience. So, is he qualified the same as Obama?
Hmm...
[:O]
So are you saying he didn't get executive experience in the military?
Devaluing military service ... is that what the Democrat party is these days? It sure as heck seems like it.
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Originally posted by Cubs
So are you saying he didn't get executive experience in the military?
Devaluing military service ... is that what the Democrat party is these days? It sure as heck seems like it.
I was referring to your beloved Palin, since you wheeled out the question.
Sensitive much? Sheesh.
And I don't see how he did get executive experience in the military. He got experience on leading, but not in an executive fashion. Not in my opinion, anyway. Neither candidate has any executive experience.
Should that automatically exclude either?
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Summer job between college and Law school?
Nope.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/
From 1984 to '88 Obama built an organization in Roseland and the nearby Altgeld Gardens public housing complex that mobilized hundreds of citizens. Obama says the campaign experienced "modest successes" in winning residents a place at the table where a job-training facility was launched, asbestos and lead paint were negotiated out of the local schools, and community interests were guarded in the development of the area's landfills.
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"In America," Obama says, "we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations."
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"Now an agenda for getting our fair share is vital. But to work, it can't see voters or communities as consumers, as mere recipients or beneficiaries of this change.
It's time for politicians and other leaders to take the next step and to see voters, residents, or citizens as producers of this change. The thrust of our organizing must be on how to make them productive, how to make them employable, how to build our human capital, how to create businesses, institutions, banks, safe public spaces--the whole agenda of creating productive communities. That is where our future lies.
"The right wing talks about this but they keep appealing to that old individualistic bootstrap myth: get a job, get rich, and get out. Instead of investing in our neighborhoods, that's what has always happened. Our goal must be to help people get a sense of building something larger. "The political debate is now so skewed, so limited, so distorted," said Obama. "People are hungry for community; they miss it. They are hungry for change.
"What if a politician were to see his job as that of an organizer," he wondered, "as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them? As an elected public official, for instance, I could bring church and community leaders together easier than I could as a community organizer or lawyer. We would come together to form concrete economic development strategies, take advantage of existing laws and structures, and create bridges and bonds within all sectors of the community. We must form grass-root structures that would hold me and other elected officials more accountable for their actions."
You were not refering to Palin, you said,
"Why do Repubs always wheel out the "American Hero" mantra for McCain? If truth be told, he doesn't have ANY executive experience. So, is he qualified the same as Obama?"
That is McCain, not Palin.
Your argument is pretty weak ... you are trying to bash McCain just to bring him down to he level of your "never done anything" candidate. You shouldn't argue something unless you can bring your candidate above the competitor ... and don't even try to do that with the experience issue, no one is that stupid.
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Originally posted by Cubs
You were not refering to Palin, you said,
"Why do Repubs always wheel out the "American Hero" mantra for McCain? If truth be told, he doesn't have ANY executive experience. So, is he qualified the same as Obama?"
That is McCain, not Palin.
Your argument is pretty weak ... you are trying to bash McCain just to bring him down to he level of your "never done anything" candidate. You shouldn't argue something unless you can bring your candidate above the competitor ... and don't even try to do that with the experience issue, no one is that stupid.
How is weak? Is it inaccurate? You don't say it's inaccurate, so how is it weak?
Go back to freerepublic. Jeez.
Unbelieveable.
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
Oh and I'll go back to freerepublic (not that I have ever gone to that website, until now) whenever you go back to dailykos.
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Originally posted by Cubs
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
I said 'executive experience'. A little different.
Neither of them has it. Correct? On this we can agree? I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.
You're good at twisting the words.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Cubs
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
I said 'executive experience'. A little different.
Neither of them has it. Correct? On this we can agree? I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.
You're good at twisting the words.
Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.
As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.
Commander. That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.
Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Cubs
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
I said 'executive experience'. A little different.
Neither of them has it. Correct? On this we can agree? I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.
You're good at twisting the words.
Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.
As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.
Commander. That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.
Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.
You're grasping now...
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Cubs
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
I said 'executive experience'. A little different.
Neither of them has it. Correct? On this we can agree? I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.
You're good at twisting the words.
Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.
As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.
Commander. That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.
Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.
You're grasping now...
Why is a Squadron commander NOT executive experience with the rank of Captain?
A Navy Captain is equivalent to an AirForce or Army COLONEL?
He was responsible for a multi-million dollar budget, staffing and personnel evaluations, training, operations, safety and controls, health, morale and welfare of the personnel of a medium-sized organization that is part of an enormous organization:
The U.S. Navy.
What have you ever been in charge of except a Porta-Potty mouth?
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Cubs
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
I said 'executive experience'. A little different.
Neither of them has it. Correct? On this we can agree? I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.
You're good at twisting the words.
Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.
As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.
Commander. That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.
Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.
You're grasping now...
Why is a Squadron commander NOT executive experience with the rank of Captain?
A Navy Captain is equivalent to an AirForce or Army COLONEL?
He was responsible for a multi-million dollar budget, staffing and personnel evaluations, training, operations, safety and controls, health, morale and welfare of the personnel of a medium-sized organization that is part of an enormous organization:
The U.S. Navy.
What have you ever been in charge of except a Porta-Potty mouth?
Resorting to personal attacks when you can't clearly answer my question.
Not very surprising, especially coming from one who constantly complains about people attacking you personally when you lose the argument.
I just don't equate a squadron commander as the same as executive experience. Apples/oranges.
[:O]
Good question, RM.
It's a real shame, he didn't go become a corporate lawyer for Shell. A real shame.
[:(]
I find it laughable that a communications major from the Univ. of Idaho is mocking someone who went to Harvard Law. That's rich.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Cubs
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
I said 'executive experience'. A little different.
Neither of them has it. Correct? On this we can agree? I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.
You're good at twisting the words.
Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.
As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.
Commander. That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.
Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.
You're grasping now...
Why is a Squadron commander NOT executive experience with the rank of Captain?
A Navy Captain is equivalent to an AirForce or Army COLONEL?
He was responsible for a multi-million dollar budget, staffing and personnel evaluations, training, operations, safety and controls, health, morale and welfare of the personnel of a medium-sized organization that is part of an enormous organization:
The U.S. Navy.
What have you ever been in charge of except a Porta-Potty mouth?
Resorting to personal attacks when you can't clearly answer my question.
Not very surprising, especially coming from one who constantly complains about people attacking you personally when you lose the argument.
I just don't equate a squadron commander as the same as executive experience. Apples/oranges.
[:O]
but being a mayor of a small town in Alaska sure is 'executive experience'.
Is that how far you have to reach to prop up your candidate? It seems a disservice to John McCain's military service to compare being a Navy Captain with a mayor.
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Originally posted by USRufnex
Nope.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/
From 1984 to '88 Obama built an organization in Roseland and the nearby Altgeld Gardens public housing complex that mobilized hundreds of citizens. Obama says the campaign experienced "modest successes" in winning residents a place at the table where a job-training facility was launched, asbestos and lead paint were negotiated out of the local schools, and community interests were guarded in the development of the area's landfills.
Those wonderful community housing projects have already been boarded up because the projects went bankrupt. The area is known as the "toxic doughnut." What exactly did he accomplish again?
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Cubs
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
I said 'executive experience'. A little different.
Neither of them has it. Correct? On this we can agree? I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.
You're good at twisting the words.
Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.
As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.
Commander. That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.
Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.
You're grasping now...
Why is a Squadron commander NOT executive experience with the rank of Captain?
A Navy Captain is equivalent to an AirForce or Army COLONEL?
He was responsible for a multi-million dollar budget, staffing and personnel evaluations, training, operations, safety and controls, health, morale and welfare of the personnel of a medium-sized organization that is part of an enormous organization:
The U.S. Navy.
What have you ever been in charge of except a Porta-Potty mouth?
Resorting to personal attacks when you can't clearly answer my question.
Not very surprising, especially coming from one who constantly complains about people attacking you personally when you lose the argument.
I just don't equate a squadron commander as the same as executive experience. Apples/oranges.
[:O]
but being a mayor of a small town in Alaska sure is 'executive experience'.
Is that how far you have to reach to prop up your candidate? It seems a disservice to John McCain's military service to compare being a Navy Captain with a mayor.
Isn't she now GOVERNOR Palin of Alaska?
The Largest state in the U.S.?
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Why do Republicans mock "community organizer" role?
This was puzzling to me, too. Republicans are
supposed to be the party of that encourages people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Fact is, in a lot of poor communities people don't know how to take that first step and welcome somebody who can show them the ropes.
A community organizer comes in and helps them get focused on a few objectives job training, college prep, etc. The fact that this was "faith-based" is even more puzzling. He wasn't working for government.
Should charities run soup lines or help people to help themselves? Apparently neither, according to my read of the Republicans the other night. Callous and stupid; it says a lot about what the Republicans think of poor people in general. Doesn't matter if they are trying to help themselves I guess.
Same 'ole two-faced Republican arguments. John McCain is a public servant whose been in Washington a long, long, time; his campaign staff are lobbyists. But Obama is a grassroots guy who goes into poor neighborhoods and helps people find jobs and get an education. Booooo! Obama is a community organizer. Booooo! What a bad joke.
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Originally posted by grahambino
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Cubs
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
I said 'executive experience'. A little different.
Neither of them has it. Correct? On this we can agree? I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.
You're good at twisting the words.
Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.
As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.
Commander. That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.
Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.
You're grasping now...
Why is a Squadron commander NOT executive experience with the rank of Captain?
A Navy Captain is equivalent to an AirForce or Army COLONEL?
He was responsible for a multi-million dollar budget, staffing and personnel evaluations, training, operations, safety and controls, health, morale and welfare of the personnel of a medium-sized organization that is part of an enormous organization:
The U.S. Navy.
What have you ever been in charge of except a Porta-Potty mouth?
Resorting to personal attacks when you can't clearly answer my question.
Not very surprising, especially coming from one who constantly complains about people attacking you personally when you lose the argument.
I just don't equate a squadron commander as the same as executive experience. Apples/oranges.
[:O]
but being a mayor of a small town in Alaska sure is 'executive experience'.
Is that how far you have to reach to prop up your candidate? It seems a disservice to John McCain's military service to compare being a Navy Captain with a mayor.
Isn't she now GOVERNOR Palin of Alaska?
The Largest state in the U.S.?
Isn't he now SENATOR McCain of Arizona?
Both were former jobs, correct?.
You can't have it both ways.
If any of you attempt to compare Palin's 'executive experience' with John McCain's 'executive experience' as a Navy Captain you've done a total disservice to our military, the military chain of command & John McCain himself. I hope your little cabal is happy and satisfied using someone's military experience in that way.
I am for one am happy McCain served in the military, just to prop up your pathetic attempts @ debate and to continue making you look like a complete partisan hack that hasn't a modicum of original or lucid thought.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by grahambino
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Cubs
Me saying no one is that stupid is another way of me saying it is inaccurate. Anyone who says Obama has more or equal experience as McCain needs to check into the mental institution.
I said 'executive experience'. A little different.
Neither of them has it. Correct? On this we can agree? I didn't say 'experience', I qualified it.
You're good at twisting the words.
Navy Captain John McCain served as Squadron Commander after he returned from 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W.
As Squadron commander, he was responsible for several hundred personnel, $millions in Navy property and airplanes, accomplishing the missions assigned, and the health, welfare and discipline of the military unit.
Commander. That IS executive experience in the Executive Branch of the Government.
Next Job: Commander-in-Chief.
You're grasping now...
Why is a Squadron commander NOT executive experience with the rank of Captain?
A Navy Captain is equivalent to an AirForce or Army COLONEL?
He was responsible for a multi-million dollar budget, staffing and personnel evaluations, training, operations, safety and controls, health, morale and welfare of the personnel of a medium-sized organization that is part of an enormous organization:
The U.S. Navy.
What have you ever been in charge of except a Porta-Potty mouth?
Resorting to personal attacks when you can't clearly answer my question.
Not very surprising, especially coming from one who constantly complains about people attacking you personally when you lose the argument.
I just don't equate a squadron commander as the same as executive experience. Apples/oranges.
[:O]
but being a mayor of a small town in Alaska sure is 'executive experience'.
Is that how far you have to reach to prop up your candidate? It seems a disservice to John McCain's military service to compare being a Navy Captain with a mayor.
Isn't she now GOVERNOR Palin of Alaska?
The Largest state in the U.S.?
Isn't he now SENATOR McCain of Arizona?
Both were former jobs, correct?.
You can't have it both ways.
If any of you attempt to compare Palin's 'executive experience' with John McCain's 'executive experience' as a Navy Captain you've done a total disservice to our military, the military chain of command & John McCain himself. I hope your little cabal is happy and satisfied using someone's military experience in that way.
I am for one am happy McCain served in the military, just to prop up your pathetic attempts @ debate and to continue making you look like a complete partisan hack that hasn't a modicum of original or lucid thought.
Gee, can't a person have multiple jobs to help prepare them for Commander-in-Chief?
McCain served for 22 years in the Navy, and retired as a Captain. As a Squadron commander, that is a functionary at an executive level.
He was next a congressman for six years, then a Senator since then.
This is his second run for Presidency, so he's been "vetted" throroughly before.
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
Same 'ole two-faced Republican arguments. John McCain is a public servant whose been in Washington a long, long, time; his campaign staff are lobbyists. But Obama is a grassroots guy who goes into poor neighborhoods and helps people find jobs and get an education. Booooo! Obama is a community organizer. Booooo! What a bad joke.
I hate to burst your partisan bubble, but Obama has lobbyists in paid positions within his campaign. And at the same time he was organizing the community in Chicago, he was working angles with the Chicago political machine aligning himself with charaters like Rezco in order to get elected to the state legislature. I'm sure you just forgot to mention that stuff though...
WHY? Because mean people suck.....
Republicans Are Mean
By Mary Lyon
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/09/republicans_are_1.html
"I sat through Rudy Giuliani and the debut of Sarah Palin – and I've come to only one conclusion. Republicans are mean. No whining here. I'm no Phil Gramm. Just an objective statement of fact based on first-person observation. Nasty. Snarky. Mocking. Sarcastic, Punch you in the nose first and then laugh at you because your face is full of blood and you look kinda funny now. And then kick you while you're still down – don't forget that one. Jesus says so. And then holler "USA! USA! USA!" and "Drill, Baby, Drill!" Nice people. And distressingly enough, on the second/third/whatever night of the Republican Convention, the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul was filled with them. And they sure don't seem interested in winning my vote. "
"I should have known. I've sat through more Republican raise-the-roof campaign speeches than I can stomach. The hypocrisy and half-truths (at best), and flat-out lies (at worst) were legion. Both Palin and Giuliani also made sure to include the reliable fall-back references to 9/11, although Palin had an ingenious new way to sneak it in. After all, her older son ships off to some place called EYE-rack on – bless my soul – September 11th of this very year. I guess he'll be fighting for her freedom to mock and insult and belittle all the people with whom she disagrees."
"If you want smart-donkey remarks and cruel, arrogant putdowns, and you want to talk trash about Barack Obama, Palin and pals are your kind of people. Palin proved in her big speech that she could sling mud as well as shooting moose. Yes, she can dish it out. And she can read that speech that was written for her by the McCain campaign guys very well. Here's hoping she'll be able to take it, too, because she made it clear that she's ready to play with the big boys – on equal footing, and to be as mean, nasty, and insulting if not more so. Maybe that also means they no longer have to live under the restrictions against duking it out with a girl. "
But is Palin tough enough to meet the press?
dudebag and dudebag?
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Originally posted by Cubs
So are you saying he didn't get executive experience in the military?
Devaluing military service ... is that what the Democrat party is these days? It sure as heck seems like it.
Par for the course. They hate the fact that our soldiers have the right to vote and have a documented history of trying to prevent our soldiers from having their votes counted.
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by Cubs
So are you saying he didn't get executive experience in the military?
Devaluing military service ... is that what the Democrat party is these days? It sure as heck seems like it.
Par for the course. They hate the fact that our soldiers have the right to vote and have a documented history of trying to prevent our soldiers from having their votes counted.
What mularkey!
Your lies keep getting worse.
Mean people suck.....
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by Cubs
So are you saying he didn't get executive experience in the military?
Devaluing military service ... is that what the Democrat party is these days? It sure as heck seems like it.
Par for the course. They hate the fact that our soldiers have the right to vote and have a documented history of trying to prevent our soldiers from having their votes counted.
What mularkey!
Your lies keep getting worse.
Mean people suck.....
FU aox:
http://www.nationalreview.com/babbin/babbin200408190823.asp
http://republican_strat.tripod.com/GoreLostFlorida/id10.html
Look at the Herron memo near the bottom of the second link.
Community Organizers hate freedom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr6IwwcdlgY
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
Same 'ole two-faced Republican arguments. John McCain is a public servant whose been in Washington a long, long, time; his campaign staff are lobbyists. But Obama is a grassroots guy who goes into poor neighborhoods and helps people find jobs and get an education. Booooo! Obama is a community organizer. Booooo! What a bad joke.
I hate to burst your partisan bubble, but Obama has lobbyists in paid positions within his campaign. And at the same time he was organizing the community in Chicago, he was working angles with the Chicago political machine aligning himself with charaters like Rezco in order to get elected to the state legislature. I'm sure you just forgot to mention that stuff though...
Forgot mention that stuff? What? That McCain stinks of Washington cloakrooms but claims to be an outsider? No, I got that covered.
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
Same 'ole two-faced Republican arguments. John McCain is a public servant whose been in Washington a long, long, time; his campaign staff are lobbyists. But Obama is a grassroots guy who goes into poor neighborhoods and helps people find jobs and get an education. Booooo! Obama is a community organizer. Booooo! What a bad joke.
I hate to burst your partisan bubble, but Obama has lobbyists in paid positions within his campaign. And at the same time he was organizing the community in Chicago, he was working angles with the Chicago political machine aligning himself with charaters like Rezco in order to get elected to the state legislature. I'm sure you just forgot to mention that stuff though...
Forgot mention that stuff? What? That McCain stinks of Washington cloakrooms but claims to be an outsider? No, I got that covered.
At least Mr. McCain had a prior career: 22 years in the U.S. Navy. Retired as Captain.
Protecting U.S.
From the Red Menace.
Looks like that's what he'll have to do again.
Only, this time the Red Menace is named:
Barack.
And, "Honest" Joe Biden has been a CAREER politician.