As it turns out, (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080803_16_A1_spancl643304%22) most Oklahomans don't really like Barack Obama.
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The latest Oklahoma Poll, a statewide survey of 750 likely voters conducted July 19-23, found little support — and some outright hostility — for the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Republican John McCain, meanwhile, attracted broad, if sometimes tepid, support to lead Obama by 32 percentage points, 56 percent to 24 percent.
It may seem fairly evident why Oklahomans aren't enthusiastic about Obama's candidacy -- Oklahoma is traditionally one of the reddest states in the lower 48 is my first guess. But the World article above digs deeper, and really gets to the heart of Oklahomans' mistrust of an Obama Presidency: he will bring the Four Horsemen down upon us.
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"I would rather have had somebody different than John McCain on the Republican side, but I can't even believe who the Democrats picked," said poll respondent Billy Garrison, a registered Democrat who often votes Republican.
"I know our country will be in bad shape if Barack Obama is elected president," said Garrison of Tulsa.
Another erstwhile Democrat, Charles Ogdon of Muldrow, said he believes Obama will be the next president, in part because Ogdon believes an Obama presidency would fit biblical prophesies concerning Armageddon and the Second Coming.
But Ogdon isn't happy about it.
Oklahoma: Where Voting Democratic Will Only Hasten the End Times.
At least we only have 7 electoral votes.
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At least we only have 7 electoral votes.
Yes. Dumbf*ckistan has 7! Fraidy cat state where Dumbya could still win re election.
LOL when FOTD saw those numbers. Your opinions, and mine, are meaningless. Inhoffeville is a road and pipe intersection. The candidates seem to be avoiding Fraidy State.
Avoiding us for sure. Nothing to be gained here by either side other than campaign pocket change.
Curious to me that the devil would be so stupid as to make the "one" a black man with a muslim name as his candidate for the anti-christ. Too easy...even fundamentalist dumb Okies could figure that one out. [;)]
He used to be harder to figure. When Nixon was in office, it was Kissinger. Ascribe a number to each letter of the alphabet, A=1, B=2, etc. Then add up the numbers in Kissingers name. It supposedly adds up to 666! He was the anti-christ!
At least back then it wasn't a political thing. A republican could also be an anti-christ. However, he was Jewish so some homage to ignorance was retained.
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Another erstwhile Democrat, Charles Ogdon of Muldrow, said he believes Obama will be the next president, in part because Ogdon believes an Obama presidency would fit biblical prophesies concerning Armageddon and the Second Coming.
But Ogdon isn't happy about it.
Somebody needs to tell this fellow that the rapture and all that other stuff is very thinly supported by Scripture, if at all.
Just because Hal Lindsey says something doesn't mean it's true. He's the same dope who predicted the rapture would occur before the 1980s ended.
The Book of Revelation and other biblical prophesy is loaded with so much vague imagry, to pull a concrete prediction about future events out of it is a dubious proposition indeed. And there's a sizable school of thought that Revelation predicted the downfall of the Roman Empire and little more.
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As it turns out, (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080803_16_A1_spancl643304%22) most Oklahomans don't really like Barack Obama.
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The latest Oklahoma Poll, a statewide survey of 750 likely voters conducted July 19-23, found little support — and some outright hostility — for the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Republican John McCain, meanwhile, attracted broad, if sometimes tepid, support to lead Obama by 32 percentage points, 56 percent to 24 percent.
It may seem fairly evident why Oklahomans aren't enthusiastic about Obama's candidacy -- Oklahoma is traditionally one of the reddest states in the lower 48 is my first guess. But the World article above digs deeper, and really gets to the heart of Oklahomans' mistrust of an Obama Presidency: he will bring the Four Horsemen down upon us.
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"I would rather have had somebody different than John McCain on the Republican side, but I can't even believe who the Democrats picked," said poll respondent Billy Garrison, a registered Democrat who often votes Republican.
"I know our country will be in bad shape if Barack Obama is elected president," said Garrison of Tulsa.
Another erstwhile Democrat, Charles Ogdon of Muldrow, said he believes Obama will be the next president, in part because Ogdon believes an Obama presidency would fit biblical prophesies concerning Armageddon and the Second Coming.
But Ogdon isn't happy about it.
Oklahoma: Where Voting Democratic Will Only Hasten the End Times.
That's all code-speak for Oklahoma being a haven for white supremacists.
We are a bunch of racist ignoramouses, that's why he's not popular here. [;)]
Uh? That's spot on for a change!
Conan must be coming, coming, coming around.
http://www.tower.com/details/details.cfm?wapi=111647762
State of Confusion (Hardcover)
By: Bryant Welch Author
"inally, the answer to the many questions that have been preying on the minds of millions of Americans has arrived. "Why" are Americans so vulnerable to divisive political tactics? "Why" did Americans get dragged into such an unwise war in Iraq? "Why" do fundamentalist religious groups, Fox News, and right-wing radio still play such influential roles in America's political landscape? And "why" are long-accepted rational scientific ideas like evolution under siege? These questions hold America's future in the balance. Ultimately, they are questions about the American mind. Psychologist-attorney Dr. Bryant Welch has the answers.
If America is going to change the mind-set that led us to war in Iraq and left us unable to confront our serious national problems, this book is vitally important. Drawing on his unique experience both as a clinical psychologist and a Washington, D.C., political figure with the American Psychological Association, Dr. Welch shows how the long-term effects of sophisticated new forms of political manipulation have not only led to our debacle in Iraq but are also currently undercutting America's ability to address its very serious problems. In the 1944 movie "Gaslight,""" a husband drives his wife to the brink of insanity by playing games with her sense of reality. Just as in the movie, America's most recent political "gaslighters," such as George W. Bush, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and many religious leaders, have generated and exploited confusion in the minds of countless Americans.
Gaslighters prey on their victim's vulnerability to paranoia, sexual perplexity, and envy to undermine the mind's ability to function rationally. Welch examines why mllions of Americans, in response to such assaults, subconsciously and dangerously create their own simplistic reality, even if it is completely different from the more complex reality of the world.
Most important, "State of Confusion" explains how and why Americans must act now to fight back against this harmful manipulation before it's too late. Dr. Welch's exploration of the American mind is both fascinating and frightening, and "State of Confusion" is a must-read for everyone who cares about the future of this great country.
Finally, the answer to the many questions that have been preying on the minds of millions of Americans has arrived. "Why" are Americans so vulnerable to divisive political tactics? "Why" did Americans get dragged into such an unwise war in Iraq? "Why" do fundamentalist religious groups, Fox News, and right-wing radio still play such influential roles in America's political landscape? And "why" are long-accepted rational scientific ideas like evolution under siege? These questions hold America's future in the balance. Ultimately, they are questions about the American mind. Psychologist-attorney Dr. Bryant Welch has the answers.
If America is going to change the mind-set that led us to war in Iraq and left us unable to confront our serious national problems, this book is vitally important. Drawing on his unique experience both as a clinical psychologist and a Washington, D.C., political figure with the American Psychological Association, Dr. Welch shows how the long-term effects of sophisticated new forms of political manipulation have not only led to our debacle in Iraq but are also currently undercutting America's ability to address its very serious problems. In the 1944 movie "Gaslight,""" a husband drives his wife to the brink of insanity by playing games with her sense of reality. Just as in the movie, America's most recent political "gaslighters," such as George W. Bush, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and many religious leaders, have generated and exploited confusion in the minds of countless Americans.
Gaslighters prey on their victim's vulnerability to paranoia, sexual perplexity, and envy to undermine the mind's ability to function rationally. Welch examines whymillions of Americans, in response to such assaults, subconsciously and dangerously create their own simplistic reality, even if it is completely different from the more complex reality of the world.
Most important, "State of Confusion" explains how and why Americans must act now to fight back against this harmful manipulation before it's too late. Dr. Welch's exploration of the American mind is both fascinating and frightening, and "State of Confusion" is a must-read for everyone who cares about the future of this great country. "
ARE YOU CON FUSED?
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As it turns out, (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080803_16_A1_spancl643304%22) most Oklahomans don't really like Barack Obama.
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The latest Oklahoma Poll, a statewide survey of 750 likely voters conducted July 19-23, found little support — and some outright hostility — for the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Republican John McCain, meanwhile, attracted broad, if sometimes tepid, support to lead Obama by 32 percentage points, 56 percent to 24 percent.
It may seem fairly evident why Oklahomans aren't enthusiastic about Obama's candidacy -- Oklahoma is traditionally one of the reddest states in the lower 48 is my first guess. But the World article above digs deeper, and really gets to the heart of Oklahomans' mistrust of an Obama Presidency: he will bring the Four Horsemen down upon us.
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"I would rather have had somebody different than John McCain on the Republican side, but I can't even believe who the Democrats picked," said poll respondent Billy Garrison, a registered Democrat who often votes Republican.
"I know our country will be in bad shape if Barack Obama is elected president," said Garrison of Tulsa.
Another erstwhile Democrat, Charles Ogdon of Muldrow, said he believes Obama will be the next president, in part because Ogdon believes an Obama presidency would fit biblical prophesies concerning Armageddon and the Second Coming.
But Ogdon isn't happy about it.
Oklahoma: Where Voting Democratic Will Only Hasten the End Times.
That's all code-speak for Oklahoma being a haven for white supremacists.
We are a bunch of racist ignoramouses, that's why he's not popular here. [;)]
Oklahoma doesnt have that market cornered. I think you will see the real america on election day.
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That's all code-speak for Oklahoma being a haven for white supremacists.
We are a bunch of racist ignoramouses, that's why he's not popular here. [;)]
Ah well, you see . . . I didn't want to just come out and
say that about my new home state. I merely wanted to
suggest it.
Hell has frozen over. One of my die hard democratic voting friends has declared he will vote Republican in the next presidential election.
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Hell has frozen over. One of my die hard democratic voting friends has declared he will vote Republican in the next presidential election.
So, your friend.....Okie?
Well I'll tell you want the beautiful dark haired women in Dallas said about Oklahoma.
"It doesn't count."
Now of course it counts to those of us that love her, but ...
Okay, Oklahoma is important to the extent that it is a bell weather for the hick and born again votes.
Anyway, Oklahoma is a scorpio and scorpio's change when the are good and ready or have to.
Doesn't the state have a history of voting for Republican presidents? Add Black to that and well, one of these days we Democrats will have a message so powerful that we will take this state.
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Hell has frozen over. One of my die hard democratic voting friends has declared he will vote Republican in the next presidential election.
So, your friend.....Okie?
Born and raised in Los Angeles, CA area. Has lived in Tulsa area since mid 1980s.
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Hell has frozen over. One of my die hard democratic voting friends has declared he will vote Republican in the next presidential election.
So, your friend.....Okie?
Born and raised in Los Angeles, CA area. Has lived in Tulsa area since mid 1980s.
Well then. She either is pissed Hillary's not there or she's a fraidy cat.
What reason did she give? Is she into hopelessness?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/opinion/03dowd.html?em
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: August 3, 2008
WASHINGTON
"It is a truth universally acknowledged that Barack Obama must continue to grovel to Hillary Clinton's dead-enders, some of whom mutter darkly that they will not only not vote for him, they will never vote for a man again.
Obama met for an hour Tuesday with three dozen top Hillaryites at a hotel here, seeking their endorsement and beguiling their begrudging. He opened the session by saying that he knew there had been frustration about what they saw as sexism during the primary.
The Los Angeles Times reported that Hillary die-hards want to enshrine a whine in the Democratic platform about how the primaries "exposed pervasive gender bias in the media" and call on party leaders to take "immediate and public steps" to denounce any perceived bias in the future. That is one nutty idea.
Perhaps it is because feminists are still so busy cataloging past slights to Hillary that they have failed to mount a vivid defense of Michelle Obama, who has taken over from Hillary as the one conservatives like to paint as a harridan.
Before the Obama campaign even had a chance to denounce Ludacris, one of the rappers on the senator's iPod, Hillary Inc. started to mobilize. Susie Tompkins Buell, a former Clinton bundler, told The New York Observer that Obama had to distance himself, given Ludacris's new song rooting for Obama to "paint the White House black" and calling Hillary the b-word.
Despite Obama's wooing, some women aren't warming. As Carol Marin wrote in The Chicago Sun-Times, The Lanky One is like an Alice Waters organic chicken — "sleek, elegant, beautifully prepared. Too cool" — when what many working-class women are craving is mac and cheese.
In The Wall Street Journal, Amy Chozick wrote that Hillary supporters — who loved their heroine's admission that she was on Weight Watchers — were put off by Obama's svelte, zero-body-fat figure.
"He needs to put some meat on his bones," said Diana Koenig, a 42-year-old Texas housewife. Another Clinton voter sniffed on a Yahoo message board: "I won't vote for any beanpole guy."
The odd thing is that Obama bears a distinct resemblance to the most cherished hero in chick-lit history. The senator is a modern incarnation of the clever, haughty, reserved and fastidious Mr. Darcy.
Like the leading man of Jane Austen and Bridget Jones, Obama can, as Austen wrote, draw "the attention of the room by his fine, tall person, handsome features, noble mien. ...he was looked at with great admiration for about half the evening, till his manners gave a disgust which turned the tide of his popularity; for he was discovered to be proud, to be above his company, and above being pleased."
The master of Pemberley "had yet to learn to be laught at," and this sometimes caused "a deeper shade of hauteur" to "overspread his features."
The New Hampshire debate incident in which Obama condescendingly said, "You're likable enough, Hillary," was reminiscent of that early scene in "Pride and Prejudice" when Darcy coldly refuses to dance with Elizabeth Bennet, noting, "She is tolerable; but not handsome enough to tempt me."
Indeed, when Obama left a prayer to the Lord at the Western Wall in Jerusalem, a note that was snatched out and published, part of his plea was to "help me guard against pride."
If Obama is Mr. Darcy, with "his pride, his abominable pride," then America is Elizabeth Bennet, spirited, playful, democratic, financially strained, and caught up in certain prejudices. (McCain must be cast as Wickham, the rival for Elizabeth's affections, the engaging military scamp who casts false aspersions on Darcy's character.)
In this political version of "Pride and Prejudice," the prejudice is racial, with only 31 percent of white voters telling The New York Times in a survey that they had a favorable opinion of Obama, compared with 83 percent of blacks.
And the prejudice is visceral: many Americans, especially blue collar, still feel uneasy about the Senate's exotic shooting star, and he is surrounded by a miasma of ill-founded and mistaken premises.
So the novelistic tension of the 2008 race is this: Can Obama overcome his pride and Hyde Park hauteur and win America over?
Can America overcome its prejudice to elect the first black president? And can it move past its biases to figure out if Obama's supposed conceit is really just the protective shield and defense mechanism of someone who grew up half white and half black, a perpetual outsider whose father deserted him and whose mother, while loving, sometimes did so as well?
Can Miss Bennet teach Mr. Darcy to let down his guard, be more sportive, and laugh at himself?"
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Hell has frozen over. One of my die hard democratic voting friends has declared he will vote Republican in the next presidential election.
So, your friend.....Okie?
Born and raised in Los Angeles, CA area. Has lived in Tulsa area since mid 1980s.
Well then. She either is pissed Hillary's not there or she's a fraidy cat.
What reason did she give? Is she into hopelessness?
This friend is a "he". He doesn't care for McCain much, just likes Obama even less. His most valid comment is that "change" hasn't been well enough defined. He would like (both) candidates to tell more of what they will try to do to fix things, not just say change without definition.
My suspicion is that Obama is a bit "early", and on a couple of fronts. First, he could have used some more experience under his belt. Secondly, the young demographic that he speaks to still does not have the numbers. Though in time that demographic will be much much larger and the baby boomers and older will also be dying off.
Is going to be a fascinating election. No matter who wins. I think we are going to see a continued Balkanization of America into very different regions and places. Plus, the Baby Boomer wave is getting ready to crash, and the next wave is just starting to swell on the horizon. As those different places and demographics further sort themselves out, the battle of ideas and philosophies will become all that more strident. This will cause even greater shifts and "sorting outs" to happen. "Nobody here thinks or believes like I do... I am going where they do." Thats going to create some interesting situations.
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My suspicion is that Obama is a bit "early", and on a couple of fronts. First, he could have used some more experience under his belt. Secondly, the young demographic that he speaks to still does not have the numbers. Though in time that demographic will be much much larger and the baby boomers and older will also be dying off.
Is going to be a fascinating election. No matter who wins. I think we are going to see a continued Balkanization of America into very different regions and places. Plus, the Baby Boomer wave is getting ready to crash, and the next wave is just starting to swell on the horizon. As those different places and demographics further sort themselves out, the battle of ideas and philosophies will become all that more strident. This will cause even greater shifts and "sorting outs" to happen. "Nobody here thinks or believes like I do... I am going where they do." Thats going to create some interesting situations.
I think that's true. I struggle with the idea of living here another year, and I'm a native of over half a century. I crave a blue state atmosphere.
Yet, I remind myself that the one reason we didn't move to Ranch Acres area a few years back was the realization that nearly 98% of the campaign signs in the last election in that neighborhood were Bush. A majority I could tolerate, but that density of support for one party and that particular moron makes for dull block parties. So, if I'm comfortable in my mostly Obama neighborhood how can I criticize them for rounding up the wagons?
We have some serious issues in America based on religion, race, age and wealth. Lack of experience? Not so much. Neither of the last two presidents had any legislative experience and very little executive experience. Well Clinton had Arkansas, but should that count? [;)]
I see a rocky road ahead with no real improvement. This should be a change election. After 8years of any party, you expect change. Its being overidden by religion, race, age and wealth.
+1
Ask yourself which candidate might be more able to lead government with the least acrimony.
Ask yourself, which candidate is flexible and more likely to compromise to move us confidently into the future.
Wise up. It's about confidence in ourselves and our ability to face down fear.
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This friend is a "he". He doesn't care for McCain much, just likes Obama even less. His most valid comment is that "change" hasn't been well enough defined. He would like (both) candidates to tell more of what they will try to do to fix things, not just say change without definition.
It's spelled CHEnge. [}:)]
Jeezum, apparently if you don't vote for Obama, you're an idiot, racist, brain-washed hick. Couldn't possibly be because you disagree with his position...
It's all a big circus anyway.
Obama = empty promises couched in feel-good language
McCain = empty promises couched in hard-donkey language
http://sendables.jibjab.com/sendables/1191/time_for_some_campaignin
What's the difference? Either way, half the country will be pissed as hell.
Disagree....more than half will be pissed when they find out where the past 10 years got them.....
If you don't vote for Obama, it doesn't matter in Dumbf*ckistan.
FOTD likes the big top! Especially the men on the flying trapeze and the fire breathers. They make the audience scared!
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Jeezum, apparently if you don't vote for Obama, you're an idiot, racist, brain-washed hick. Couldn't possibly be because you disagree with his position...
It's all a big circus anyway.
Obama = empty promises couched in feel-good language
McCain = empty promises couched in hard-donkey language
http://sendables.jibjab.com/sendables/1191/time_for_some_campaignin
What's the difference? Either way, half the country will be pissed as hell.
In the Oklahoma poll, respondents didn't even know the issues. Didn't know whether they disagreed with Obama or not. 20% didn't want to say. I think you can be pretty assured opposition in this state and most of the south has nothing to do with his postions (which btw are not that different from McCains till Mac started switching on drilling, the war, the prez policies etc.) In fact I doubt most Okies even know what the issues are other than gay marriage, abortion and illegals.
I've been thinking about the cross-section of Oklahomans that would have been included in the Oklahoma Poll (+/- 3% error rate) of 750 likely voters. There is one thing they have in common that (to me) paints them into a specific corner: They all have home phones with published numbers.
Most young people don't have landline phones. If they have a home phone it's through their cable company and it isn't published.
Single people are less likely to have a home phone than couples with families (they have one in case of emergency, but most don't publish it).
I think the Oklahoma Poll gets mostly older people that still have a published home phone number, and time and patience to answer a poll and a desire to have someone listen to their opinion.
Good observation.
BUT, we reside in Dumbf*ckistan anyway.....