Today is the big day, get out and vote in county commission district 2.
Vote early and vote often...PLEASE!
Done. Please have security escort her to the door. I love it when Plan B comes together.
This will be a very interesting election map to study. I wonder which precincts will vote heavy today.
Are there any other heavily contested state races in overlapping areas that will cause more republicans to vote? I know that the seat to replace James Williamson overlaps from Peoria to Lewis. The rest of the senate district doesn't vote this time. Chris Benge has a republican primary opponent, but he looks like an easy winnner here. Fred Jordan and Daniel Sullivan don't have elections today I believe.
So this might be a very light turnout election in the rest of the district. Midtown might be the only heavy voting.
It's good when so many normally divergent voices feel the same way on something like this. I can think of few local politicians who were the object of so much dislike that actually ran again.
I saw a lot more Miller signs over the weekend. My fear is that so many of the primary voters are retired and will vote for the incumbent just for the sake of voting, not always paying attention to the issues. Then again, Bell really isn't all that qualified, either.
Another good thing is that I think a lot more people are paying attention to local politics than they were when she got put into office.
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Originally posted by Gold
Another good thing is that I think a lot more people are paying attention to local politics than they were when she got put into office.
+1 I just started paying attention after kitty was elected. My first goal of the day was to send a message to rm....get out!! Ooops not to be confused with our RM......LOL. Now I have two rather good choices.
I see David Arnutt is still playing sock puppet and house organ for Randi Miller:
http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1658&Itemid=2
Scating editorial on Sally Bell. David makes a lot of assumptions in lieu of fact.
Typical repiglicans going for a Bircher over a blather.
It's a shame the dregs are running this county, state, and country.
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Originally posted by FOTD
Typical repiglicans going for a Bircher over a blather.
It's a shame the dregs are running this county, state, and country.
Calm down, real race is in November.
I guess for someone with communist leanings like you, JBS is kryptonite.
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Originally posted by Conan71
I see David Arnutt is still playing sock puppet and house organ for Randi Miller:
http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1658&Itemid=2
Scating editorial on Sally Bell. David makes a lot of assumptions in lieu of fact.
I think he has a point on this one. Bell isn't qualified. Miller at least understands what the job does; she just isn't very good at it. It's a decision of someone who isn't very good at her job and has a crappy outlook on life vs. someone who probably won't grow into the job and doesn't understand it, yet has a sympathetic story to tell. Neither one will get the office in November.
You are aware that he was in bed with Miller on V-2025 and the river tax, as a paid employee of a V-2025 contractor yes? Wouldn't surprise me if David was "consulting" on the Miller campaign. His integrity has been called out several times on here.
His diatribe smacks of someone working for the opponent.
I think Karen Keith can beat either of them in November, but I'd love to know the Tulsa GOP has come to their senses in dealing with Randi's brand of incompetence.
I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point. I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails. Bell is running out of revenge. She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.
I'll put it this way . . . it's akin to the Bushies replacing career bureaucrats in offices like FEMA with people who hate the idea of government and have literally no agenda or understanding of the demands of the office.
You're right . . . the local GOP needs to wake up. To be fair, there are a lot of more than qualified people who would run for local office if it didn't involve dealing with some of the dirt slinging and nutjobs that you find on sites like this.
Voting is heavy (judging by traffic) along 91st and 101st between Yale and Sheridan. Isn't that part of RM's district? Most of the signs are Carson.
Anyone know of a "voting for idiots" website on this one? I'm dreadfully behind on my research this year and don't want to blindly pull levers. I have a couple people I know I'm not voting for, otherwise I'm in the dark.
Too bad you can't just cast a negative ballot.
Tulsa voter guide
http://lwvtulsa.fileave.com/July28LWVTulsaVoterGuide.pdf
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Originally posted by Gold
I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point. I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails. Bell is running out of revenge. She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.
Sally Bell is better informed about the workings of county government than Randi Miller was when she first ran for commissioner. She has more personal experience in dealing with county government than Karen Keith has.
There are legitimate differences of opinion on what role county government ought to play. Should it act like some sort of metropolitan pork-barrel source, raising taxes then parceling them out to the municipalities with strings attached? Or should it focus on its ordained functions -- land records, taxes, the jail, the courthouse, the fairgrounds, basic services in unincorporated areas -- and leave the rest of the tasks (and the revenue streams) to the cities?
Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view.
Stuck by the State Constitution with the same structure as Beaver County government (pop. 5,857), Tulsa County government (pop. 563,299) doesn't have the checks and balances there ought to be for managing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and providing basic government services to more than half a million people. A chartered municipal government -- or an interlocal agreement between cities when needed -- is far more adaptable to the task.
I want a county commissioner who will say no right away when someone asks her to consider a $600 million sales tax for islands in the middle of the river. Or when someone asks for a 75-year contract for a privately run toll bridge that will earn hundreds of millions of dollars for the private operator. I want someone who knows what is the county's job and what isn't.
The enthusiasm for county government seems mainly rooted in the success of using a county-wide vote to get an arena tax passed. (For a few people it's rooted in the relationships that get them no-bid contracts with the county.) The river tax vote proved that going county-wide isn't a foolproof strategy for passing taxes.
With that out of the way, maybe we can go back to funding those issues on a city-by-city basis, and leave county government to do what it was purposed to do 100 years ago.
Assuming Sally Bell wins the Republican nomination, we're set for a needed debate on the proper role of county government.
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Originally posted by Conan71
I see David Arnutt is still playing sock puppet and house organ for Randi Miller:
http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1658&Itemid=2
Scating editorial on Sally Bell. David makes a lot of assumptions in lieu of fact.
With Randi gone, we can get rid of him as a county employee too. Bonus.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Calm down, real race is in November.
What are the chances of a Jim Slimehofe defeat? Why would anybody vote for him? He's one of the 5 worst members of Congress, and an embarrassment to this part of the world.
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by Conan71
Calm down, real race is in November.
What are the chances of a Jim Slimehofe defeat?
Nil.
KOTV just called the election for Bell.[:D]
Ouch! That was a spankin'
That was more of an anti-Miller vote then it was a pro-Bell vote.
'bout time.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
Ouch! That was a spankin'
That was more of an anti-Miller vote then it was a pro-Bell vote.
'bout time.
Paul Tay could have even won that race[:D]
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
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Originally posted by Gold
I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point. I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails. Bell is running out of revenge. She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.
Sally Bell is better informed about the workings of county government than Randi Miller was when she first ran for commissioner. She has more personal experience in dealing with county government than Karen Keith has.
There are legitimate differences of opinion on what role county government ought to play. Should it act like some sort of metropolitan pork-barrel source, raising taxes then parceling them out to the municipalities with strings attached? Or should it focus on its ordained functions -- land records, taxes, the jail, the courthouse, the fairgrounds, basic services in unincorporated areas -- and leave the rest of the tasks (and the revenue streams) to the cities?
Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view.
Stuck by the State Constitution with the same structure as Beaver County government (pop. 5,857), Tulsa County government (pop. 563,299) doesn't have the checks and balances there ought to be for managing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and providing basic government services to more than half a million people. A chartered municipal government -- or an interlocal agreement between cities when needed -- is far more adaptable to the task.
I want a county commissioner who will say no right away when someone asks her to consider a $600 million sales tax for islands in the middle of the river. Or when someone asks for a 75-year contract for a privately run toll bridge that will earn hundreds of millions of dollars for the private operator. I want someone who knows what is the county's job and what isn't.
The enthusiasm for county government seems mainly rooted in the success of using a county-wide vote to get an arena tax passed. (For a few people it's rooted in the relationships that get them no-bid contracts with the county.) The river tax vote proved that going county-wide isn't a foolproof strategy for passing taxes.
With that out of the way, maybe we can go back to funding those issues on a city-by-city basis, and leave county government to do what it was purposed to do 100 years ago.
Assuming Sally Bell wins the Republican nomination, we're set for a needed debate on the proper role of county government.
ok, so lets say sally bell wins it all. DO you think Fred Perry will come back to jesus and shed his taxing ways? he has been headed down a bad path.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
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Originally posted by Gold
I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point. I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails. Bell is running out of revenge. She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.
Sally Bell is better informed about the workings of county government than Randi Miller was when she first ran for commissioner. She has more personal experience in dealing with county government than Karen Keith has.
There are legitimate differences of opinion on what role county government ought to play. Should it act like some sort of metropolitan pork-barrel source, raising taxes then parceling them out to the municipalities with strings attached? Or should it focus on its ordained functions -- land records, taxes, the jail, the courthouse, the fairgrounds, basic services in unincorporated areas -- and leave the rest of the tasks (and the revenue streams) to the cities?
Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view.
Stuck by the State Constitution with the same structure as Beaver County government (pop. 5,857), Tulsa County government (pop. 563,299) doesn't have the checks and balances there ought to be for managing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and providing basic government services to more than half a million people. A chartered municipal government -- or an interlocal agreement between cities when needed -- is far more adaptable to the task.
I want a county commissioner who will say no right away when someone asks her to consider a $600 million sales tax for islands in the middle of the river. Or when someone asks for a 75-year contract for a privately run toll bridge that will earn hundreds of millions of dollars for the private operator. I want someone who knows what is the county's job and what isn't.
The enthusiasm for county government seems mainly rooted in the success of using a county-wide vote to get an arena tax passed. (For a few people it's rooted in the relationships that get them no-bid contracts with the county.) The river tax vote proved that going county-wide isn't a foolproof strategy for passing taxes.
With that out of the way, maybe we can go back to funding those issues on a city-by-city basis, and leave county government to do what it was purposed to do 100 years ago.
Assuming Sally Bell wins the Republican nomination, we're set for a needed debate on the proper role of county government.
ok, so lets say sally bell wins it all. DO you think Fred Perry will come back to jesus and shed his taxing ways? he has been headed down a bad path.
With that kind of landslip, Sally Bell's odds for election to Tulsa Co. Commissioner just markedly improved.
Sally, Revenge is soooooooo SWEET!
By the way, all the principal pandering prostitute politicians that agitated for the Vision 2025 are now retired/fired.
Mayor LaFortune? Fired.
Co. Commissioner Dirty Bob Dick? Retired.
Commissioner Dilbert Collins? Fired.
Commissioner Randi Miller? Fired.
Yet, the damage they did will continue to hit our over-taxed wallets until 2017.
Think of them every time you pay 8.517% sales tax on your groceries.
Our disposable politicians come and go. They are as disposable as a Kleenex.
Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.
What new political "reformer" do they have waiting in the wings to next spring on us?
KKKeith?
Did I mention this very favored local construction company was sole-sourced the downtown Driller stadium contract WITHOUT the benefit of a legal, valid competitive bidding process?
FOOLS! Welcome to the Banana Republic of Tulsa.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Conan71
I see David Arnutt is still playing sock puppet and house organ for Randi Miller:
http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1658&Itemid=2
Scating editorial on Sally Bell. David makes a lot of assumptions in lieu of fact.
With Randi gone, we can get rid of him as a county employee too. Bonus.
Simonson too I assume.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Conan71
I see David Arnutt is still playing sock puppet and house organ for Randi Miller:
http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1658&Itemid=2
Scating editorial on Sally Bell. David makes a lot of assumptions in lieu of fact.
With Randi gone, we can get rid of him as a county employee too. Bonus.
Simonson too I assume.
Terry can now return to his night job: Full-time.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
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Originally posted by Gold
I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point. I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails. Bell is running out of revenge. She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.
Sally Bell is better informed about the workings of county government than Randi Miller was when she first ran for commissioner. She has more personal experience in dealing with county government than Karen Keith has.
There are legitimate differences of opinion on what role county government ought to play. Should it act like some sort of metropolitan pork-barrel source, raising taxes then parceling them out to the municipalities with strings attached? Or should it focus on its ordained functions -- land records, taxes, the jail, the courthouse, the fairgrounds, basic services in unincorporated areas -- and leave the rest of the tasks (and the revenue streams) to the cities?
Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view.
Stuck by the State Constitution with the same structure as Beaver County government (pop. 5,857), Tulsa County government (pop. 563,299) doesn't have the checks and balances there ought to be for managing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and providing basic government services to more than half a million people. A chartered municipal government -- or an interlocal agreement between cities when needed -- is far more adaptable to the task.
I want a county commissioner who will say no right away when someone asks her to consider a $600 million sales tax for islands in the middle of the river. Or when someone asks for a 75-year contract for a privately run toll bridge that will earn hundreds of millions of dollars for the private operator. I want someone who knows what is the county's job and what isn't.
The enthusiasm for county government seems mainly rooted in the success of using a county-wide vote to get an arena tax passed. (For a few people it's rooted in the relationships that get them no-bid contracts with the county.) The river tax vote proved that going county-wide isn't a foolproof strategy for passing taxes.
With that out of the way, maybe we can go back to funding those issues on a city-by-city basis, and leave county government to do what it was purposed to do 100 years ago.
Assuming Sally Bell wins the Republican nomination, we're set for a needed debate on the proper role of county government.
ok, so lets say sally bell wins it all. DO you think Fred Perry will come back to jesus and shed his taxing ways? he has been headed down a bad path.
With that kind of landslip, Sally Bell's odds for election to Tulsa Co. Commissioner just markedly improved.
Sally, Revenge is soooooooo SWEET!
By the way, all the principal pandering prostitute politicians that agitated for the Vision 2025 are now retired/fired.
Mayor LaFortune? Fired.
Co. Commissioner Dirty Bob Dick? Retired.
Commissioner Dilbert Collins? Fired.
Commissioner Randi Miller? Fired.
Yet, the damage they did will continue to hit our over-taxed wallets until 2017.
Think of them every time you pay 8.517% sales tax on your groceries.
Our disposable politicians come and go. They are as disposable as a Kleenex.
Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.
What new political "reformer" do they have waiting in the wings to next spring on us?
KKKeith?
Did I mention this very favored local construction company was sole-sourced the downtown Driller stadium contract WITHOUT the benefit of a legal, valid competitive bidding process?
FOOLS! Welcome to the Banana Republic of Tulsa.
Why do you call her KKKeith? Last I knew there was no relationship between her and the KKK...or maybe I missed that news segment. Can you qualify that moniker or is that your thing? Do you just come up with the worst possible associations for individuals you disagree with regardless of the real impact for your own satisfaction? Surely you've got some justification for using those three letters to associate with Karen and you're not that big of an A-hole.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.
And dont forget Flintco. They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
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Originally posted by Gold
I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point. I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails. Bell is running out of revenge. She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.
Sally Bell is better informed about the workings of county government than Randi Miller was when she first ran for commissioner. She has more personal experience in dealing with county government than Karen Keith has.
There are legitimate differences of opinion on what role county government ought to play. Should it act like some sort of metropolitan pork-barrel source, raising taxes then parceling them out to the municipalities with strings attached? Or should it focus on its ordained functions -- land records, taxes, the jail, the courthouse, the fairgrounds, basic services in unincorporated areas -- and leave the rest of the tasks (and the revenue streams) to the cities?
Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view.
Stuck by the State Constitution with the same structure as Beaver County government (pop. 5,857), Tulsa County government (pop. 563,299) doesn't have the checks and balances there ought to be for managing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and providing basic government services to more than half a million people. A chartered municipal government -- or an interlocal agreement between cities when needed -- is far more adaptable to the task.
I want a county commissioner who will say no right away when someone asks her to consider a $600 million sales tax for islands in the middle of the river. Or when someone asks for a 75-year contract for a privately run toll bridge that will earn hundreds of millions of dollars for the private operator. I want someone who knows what is the county's job and what isn't.
The enthusiasm for county government seems mainly rooted in the success of using a county-wide vote to get an arena tax passed. (For a few people it's rooted in the relationships that get them no-bid contracts with the county.) The river tax vote proved that going county-wide isn't a foolproof strategy for passing taxes.
With that out of the way, maybe we can go back to funding those issues on a city-by-city basis, and leave county government to do what it was purposed to do 100 years ago.
Assuming Sally Bell wins the Republican nomination, we're set for a needed debate on the proper role of county government.
I see what you are starting to do. Lump Karen in with Randi: "Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view."
I think it would be appropriate for you to disclose if you are working on a consulting basis for Sally's campaign. As you well know, I am going to be helping Karen Keith with hers now that the GOP primary is settled.
Other than being a tennant with the fairgrounds, I'm not impressed with the assertion Sally "has more personal experience in dealing with county government."
Ostensibly, the whole process which resulted in the termination of the Bell's lease was done in private, out of sight or earshot of the Bell family. Far as anyone else knows, she met with them to discuss lease terms, probably wrote the rent checks, and had to deal with them when moving off the fairgrounds. Experience with the fairboard and fairgrounds, but not necessarily operations down at the County. Big difference even though some of the players are the same.
Sally is going to have to get past the idea in voter's minds of this being a novelty campaign. Honestly her bias agains the county commission and fairboard has me concerned as to how effective she's capable of being if she has such pent up hatred for this institution.
With Karen's background with Vision 2025, she's got a far better idea of where our county government is at today and good insight as to how it works.
The debate over the points you make about what limits there should and should not be for county governemnt are definitely debatable. I've never been an enthusiastic supporter of V-2025 nor the area, but it finally happened and we are getting some A-list tours coming through town as a result.
I'm astounded at the amount of public money committed and spent in the last five years, including the deal for OTC and new Driller's Park.
Looking ahead, just what would Tulsa have looked like in 2025 with none of these investments and structures? Beirut? It's pretty hard for me to keep *****ing about a sausage tax like V-2025 when I see people who have benefitted from new college facilities, when I see payrolls of construction trades brimming. Drive through the other communities and look at their share of V-2025 and it's not been a bad deal for what we've gotten.
I do have a general distrust for the way the county manages money and that was a huge issue for me on the river tax. I also did not like that the low water dams were, then weren't, then were part of V-2025.
Sally's got a tough road ahead. I'm curious how bad she really wants it or if vindicating herself at the polls was simply enough.
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by Conan71
Calm down, real race is in November.
What are the chances of a Jim Slimehofe defeat? Why would anybody vote for him? He's one of the 5 worst members of Congress, and an embarrassment to this part of the world.
You're OT on this thread, but happy to discuss if you will start another thread.
Is that fact or your opinion? Care to quantify without resorting to quoting Huffington Post, think progress, moveon, or an MSNBC op-ed piece?
Facts, not op-ed to back up your assertions. I'm always willing to listen and consider facts. Hyperbole, speculation, and manipulation of facts doesn't get far with me.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by Conan71
Calm down, real race is in November.
What are the chances of a Jim Slimehofe defeat? Why would anybody vote for him? He's one of the 5 worst members of Congress, and an embarrassment to this part of the world.
You're OT on this thread, but happy to discuss if you will start another thread.
Is that fact or your opinion? Care to quantify without resorting to quoting Huffington Post, think progress, moveon, or an MSNBC op-ed piece?
Facts, not op-ed to back up your assertions. I'm always willing to listen and consider facts. Hyperbole, speculation, and manipulation of facts doesn't get far with me.
Maybe not, but my personal opinion of Jim Inhofe is enough for me to vote for whomever else is on the ticket. Some of his rhetoric about global warming being a hoax is quite frightening to me in a way.
He's been in Washington far too long. Time for fresh faces now.
Conan, I am not and will not be a paid consultant to Sally Bell, but I think she'll make a good county commissioner, she'll work to make county government more transparent and accountable, and she won't try to saddle the taxpayers with another massive transfer of wealth from ordinary taxpayers to the construction industry, so I will volunteer to help her in any way I can. (And, no, I won't go to work for her at the county if she wins. I wouldn't like the pay cut or the loss of independence.)
Keith isn't running against Miller now, but since you think it's unfair for me to lump the two together, I think it's fair to ask this question: Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?
I can't leave this statement alone:
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Originally posted by Conan71
I'm astounded at the amount of public money committed and spent in the last five years, including the deal for OTC and new Driller's Park.
Sure there's been a lot of public money spent, but weren't we promised that Vision 2025 would generate
private investment?
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Conan, I am not and will not be a paid consultant to Sally Bell, but I think she'll make a good county commissioner, she'll work to make county government more transparent and accountable, and she won't try to saddle the taxpayers with another massive transfer of wealth from ordinary taxpayers to the construction industry, so I will volunteer to help her in any way I can. (And, no, I won't go to work for her at the county if she wins. I wouldn't like the pay cut or the loss of independence.)
Keith isn't running against Miller now, but since you think it's unfair for me to lump the two together, I think it's fair to ask this question: Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?
I can't leave this statement alone:
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Originally posted by Conan71
I'm astounded at the amount of public money committed and spent in the last five years, including the deal for OTC and new Driller's Park.
Sure there's been a lot of public money spent, but weren't we promised that Vision 2025 would generate private investment?
Oooh Snap! You go grrl.
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?
Ditto for Sullivan. He supported the River Tax and every other stupid make-work project the GOP has been behind as Miller. Inhofe same thing. Miller was scapegoated because she mishandled their nefarious deeds, including that GOP money to ORU for the TCGOP. Funny how when pusch comes to shove you all will forget and just stand in line behind the candidate.
Michael, next time you see Sullivan or Inhofe, will you please ask them where they stood on each issue that you all want to try and hang on Miller, and then get back to us?
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.
And dont forget Flintco. They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).
Apparently you don't know much about construction.
Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.
This is what happens :
Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.
Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.
The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.
As for Randi Miller - at my poles she got 24 out of 200 votes. Of those 200 votes 28 voted for no one and most of the rest said a vote for Bell was a vote against Miller.
I think bell should get her victory dance over with now because Karen Keith is going to be hard to beat.
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Originally posted by Sangria
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.
And dont forget Flintco. They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).
Apparently you don't know much about construction.
Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.
This is what happens :
Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.
Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.
The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.
Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.
The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.
That's how it REALLY works.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Sangria
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.
And dont forget Flintco. They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).
Apparently you don't know much about construction.
Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.
This is what happens :
Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.
Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.
The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.
Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.
The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.
That's how it REALLY works.
Reminds me of my ex-wife. All I really hear when she spoke to me was 'blah blah blah blah' in monotone.
FB has that same effect these days. Actually, to help me sleep, I read some of FBs posts. Who needs Ambien?
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Conan, I am not and will not be a paid consultant to Sally Bell, but I think she'll make a good county commissioner, she'll work to make county government more transparent and accountable, and she won't try to saddle the taxpayers with another massive transfer of wealth from ordinary taxpayers to the construction industry, so I will volunteer to help her in any way I can. (And, no, I won't go to work for her at the county if she wins. I wouldn't like the pay cut or the loss of independence.)
Keith isn't running against Miller now, but since you think it's unfair for me to lump the two together, I think it's fair to ask this question: Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?
I can't leave this statement alone:
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Originally posted by Conan71
I'm astounded at the amount of public money committed and spent in the last five years, including the deal for OTC and new Driller's Park.
Sure there's been a lot of public money spent, but weren't we promised that Vision 2025 would generate private investment?
Michael,
Thanks for the clarification of your status with the Sally Bell campaign. I just thought it fair to disclose any pre-disposed bias either of us have for a particular candidate.
I've finally come to the realization the horse left the barn a long time ago on V-2025 and it serves no purpose to keep trying to stop it from happening. I did appreciate you took Bob Dick and others to task about the LWD's and Zink Lake promises of V-2025 and agreed with every point you made on the river tax. 2025 is enough for the county to manage for the time being and I disliked the rushed, hushed, and speculative nature of the river proposal.
I honestly cannot come up with a way to quantify exact $$ of private investment as a result of public investment in V-2025. If you have figured out a way, please share it, as I do think it would be an interesting statistic to track. Certainly, if the new Bell's Amusement Park goes up near a V-2025 project I'll be sure to point out private investment related to V-2025 [;)]
Stimulating private investment in building renovations around the new arena or other projects would be one measurable way, as it would be in other communities. If you believe that public infrastructure improves the quality of life and makes a city attractive for new jobs, there is another way to track it but you cannot positively attribute new jobs to any one thing.
Higher education has benefitted from V-2025 with expanded facilities and programs which, ostensibly, will keep students in Tulsa and out of Norman, Stillwater or elsewhere and will attract more donors to help our local colleges out.
I'm of the belief there has been private investment as a result of V-2025, but there will be lasting impact and more private investment in the coming years as more V-2025 projects are finished.
Even if public investment does not add up to your expectation for it, what is the use in hanging on to the point that we were promised public investment? Tulsa County is looking a whole lot better as a result of V-2025.
I'd rather have people managing and shepherding the remainder of the projects on V-2025 who have been on board with it. I really fail to see how Sally can be more transparent nor make much of a difference with no previous view of government other than getting hosed by it. There's far more people involved in running the county government than three commissioners.
Sally has proven her worth as the "Tom Quinn" of our time. I'm just incredibly skeptical that a jilted tennant of the fairgrounds has the knowledge or real desire to make a difference. Sounds like she's going to need to plough a whole lot of effort and time into getting her family business back up and running.
I'm a fan of the Bell family and have considered Robby a friend since high school. I have always felt they got a raw deal and want to see them land on their feet. I simply question the motives and desire of Sally from this point forward.
I did not purposely ignore your statement about policies between Miller and Keith, I'm running short on time this morning.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Of Randi Miller's significant policy decisions during her six years in office, which ones does Karen Keith disagree with?
Ditto for Sullivan. He supported the River Tax and every other stupid make-work project the GOP has been behind as Miller. Inhofe same thing. Miller was scapegoated because she mishandled their nefarious deeds, including that GOP money to ORU for the TCGOP. Funny how when pusch comes to shove you all will forget and just stand in line behind the candidate.
Michael, next time you see Sullivan or Inhofe, will you please ask them where they stood on each issue that you all want to try and hang on Miller, and then get back to us?
Amen.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Sangria
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.
And dont forget Flintco. They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).
Apparently you don't know much about construction.
Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.
This is what happens :
Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.
Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.
The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.
Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.
The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.
That's how it REALLY works.
Reminds me of my ex-wife. All I really hear when she spoke to me was 'blah blah blah blah' in monotone.
FB has that same effect these days. Actually, to help me sleep, I read some of FBs posts. Who needs Ambien?
Well, at least my posts are good for something, right?
But, maybe if you'd been able to better LISTEN, she wouldn't be an Ex.....
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Sangria
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.
And dont forget Flintco. They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).
Apparently you don't know much about construction.
Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.
This is what happens :
Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.
Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.
The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.
Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.
The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.
That's how it REALLY works.
Reminds me of my ex-wife. All I really hear when she spoke to me was 'blah blah blah blah' in monotone.
FB has that same effect these days. Actually, to help me sleep, I read some of FBs posts. Who needs Ambien?
Well, at least my posts are good for something, right?
But, maybe if you'd been able to better LISTEN, she wouldn't be an Ex.....
Wrong again, oh not-so-clairvoyant one.
I filed for divorce.
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Back to regularly scheduled programming.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Sangria
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.
And dont forget Flintco. They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).
Apparently you don't know much about construction.
Flintco and Manhatten are construction companies - that's what they do.
This is what happens :
Someone wants a building so they hire architects to design it. The owner gives them a basic idea of what they want it to be like and the architects take over from there.
Once they settle on a design a construction company is hired to get it built.
The lighting at the fair grounds you hate so much? That was designed by an architect so if it sucks then it's because the architect made a bad design. The construction company simply builds what is on the plans.
Maybe in private industry construction projects, things are supposed to work that way, but I think that when it comes to government projects, the CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES invent the project in order to stay busy.
The Construction Companies prepare the script for their pimping, pandering, paid, political prostitutes that they periodically rent, get the Lorton's World to endorse another local government spending scheme, get press releases prepared for local Channel 862 to run with, bankroll the new tax initiative with unlimited campaign financing limits, deploy their associated crony sub-contractors, vendors and suppliers to kick in some campaign dollars, and then count the votes election nite at the Tulsa County Election Board.
That's how it REALLY works.
Reminds me of my ex-wife. All I really hear when she spoke to me was 'blah blah blah blah' in monotone.
FB has that same effect these days. Actually, to help me sleep, I read some of FBs posts. Who needs Ambien?
Well, at least my posts are good for something, right?
But, maybe if you'd been able to better LISTEN, she wouldn't be an Ex.....
Wrong again, oh not-so-clairvoyant one.
I filed for divorce.
[:O]
Back to regularly scheduled programming.
Did you break her little heart into pieces, too, Hoss?
And back on topic please gentlemen
I take issue with the idea that Sally Bell's failure to forge a successful working relationship with the County qualifies her for County Commissioner. If that's so, then tons of failed small business operators who couldn't or wouldn't figure out how to interact with government are also qualified (I'm available). This was a vote of no confidence for Randi Miller. Nothing more. Too bad the other two didn't have to face the voters right now.
She would be a figurehead that consults the anti-oligarchy oligarchy before making decisions.[:D]
I am not going to bag Sally Bell yet. I have to research her views before I have a good opinion of her.
I think that politicians who run on platforms to shrink government generally don't. President Bush kept saying it, yet the federal government is 20% bigger than when he took office.
I want to see just where she plans to address cuts. Where exactly in the budget will she cut? What employees does she plan to eliminate and what county functions does she deem unnecessary?
I do really like her comments on opening up county government and having meetings at night so citizens can attend.
Agree RM. Open government is key to either stopping the crap that saw Bell's removed or will let us know what the deal was/is.
But on the smaller government thing - I want smaller government. While I fear many people who proclaim their intentions will not live up to them (Bush), do I just ignore everyone who says it? You see my dilema.
In any event. Bell may not be the best person for the job, but to me Miller proved she was not a person for the job at all.
Would be interesting to see the stats on how many voters in that district changed political affiliations prior to the primary.
A tactic used many times is to defeat the better qualified of two candidates early on in the primary.
Keep in mind only the yellow republican ballot had Sally Bell and Randi Miller to vote on. The Democratic ballot only had two races with four candidates.
How much does that job pay, and what are the required hours?
So you are suggesting that a majority of the 7,000 votes above what Miller got were Democrats that switched parties to sink her? Something like 33% of the Republican electorate were democrats who switched party affiliations to sabotage the Republican party?
If that's the theory, it's amazingly far out there for a number of reasons (statistics, history, dislike of Miller).
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Originally posted by AMP
Would be interesting to see the stats on how many voters in that district changed political affiliations prior to the primary.
If you can't even get 20 percent of the vote in an election for THE PARTY YOU REPRESENT, then I think it's safe to say that disdain for Randi Miller was bipartisan.
Miller got hammered so badly, conspiracy theories simply don't apply here.
I think Sally Bell will surprise everyone come November. I know plenty of Dems who don't trust KK, and won't vote for her.
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Originally posted by Double A
I think Sally Bell will surprise everyone come November. I know plenty of Dems who don't trust KK, and won't vote for her.
I know it is hard to believe, but we must just run in different groups of people.
I haven't met a single democrat that doesn't like and/or support Karen Keith for County Commissioner. I looked at her contributors (which included my wife) and it represents almost every democrat active in the Tulsa Democrat party.
I talk politics way too much (my six-year old can name her representatives) and I dragged my son to two good sized democrat watch parties last night. I talked about Obama, Andrew Rice and Karen Keith chances with everybody. I found democrats relucant on both the other guys but positive about her.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I am not going to bag Sally Bell yet. I have to research her views before I have a good opinion of her.
I think that politicians who run on platforms to shrink government generally don't. President Bush kept saying it, yet the federal government is 20% bigger than when he took office.
I want to see just where she plans to address cuts. Where exactly in the budget will she cut? What employees does she plan to eliminate and what county functions does she deem unnecessary?
I do really like her comments on opening up county government and having meetings at night so citizens can attend.
I heard first cut was abolishing the MET. [}:)]
I think either candidate brings something to the table and either one will be a huge improvement over Randi's incompetence. I just hope Randi stays out of any major decisions between now and November as a lame duck.
With Sally's family reputedly being involved with the John Birch society, their small government views are sincere and are nothing new. I don't see the nefariousness to JBS that others try to attach of it being a racist hate group. JBS was against the CRA's of the 1960's due to the belief that American communists were backing the CRA's. There is nothing overtly racist in their policy and platform that I've read.
Karen is for more efficient government and streamlining where practical. She has had a very good view of how city and county government does and does not work. She also knows the ins and outs of V-2025 which is kind of important considering we are five years into that now.
Karen's biggest challenge will be overcoming those who are still trying to block 2025 in their minds and those who were pissed about the river tax.
Sally was never on public record on V-2025 nor the river tax that I'm aware of, so she can claim she supported neither, that's an advantage to some voters. Sally's biggest challenge will be getting voters to believe she really wants the office and will give 100% effort, especially in the midst of re-building the family dream.
Karen will be able to easily attract quite a few GOP votes. I don't think Sally will have as easy a time in November.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Karen will be able to easily attract quite a few GOP votes.
I 100% agree.
Karen is just one of those incredibly likable persons.
I remember when she worked for republican Mayor Bill LaFortune. There were plenty of times when she had to go to a meeting and represent the Mayor's office. Under most situations, the others in the room are a little disgruntled that the Mayor would be gone, but with Karen, her charm always made everybody ok.
She has always been very positive and worked hard in her efforts.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by Conan71
Karen will be able to easily attract quite a few GOP votes.
I 100% agree.
Karen is just one of those incredibly likable persons.
I remember when she worked for republican Mayor Bill LaFortune. There were plenty of times when she had to go to a meeting and represent the Mayor's office. Under most situations, the others in the room are a little disgruntled that the Mayor would be gone, but with Karen, her charm always made everybody ok.
She has always been very positive and worked hard in her efforts.
Karen Keith could charm the spots off a leopard.
That just makes her a more effective paid paladin, pimping for the local power elite.
She was equally happy selling Vigo dogfood as a TV personality, or pimping Vision 2025 as a tax-payer paid spokeswoman for Mayor MisFortunate.
What a maroon, hiring a Democrat when he says he's a Republican Mayor. RINO taint.
You don't see Gov. Bad Brad Henry making that mistake. Just true-blue Democrats in his Administration.
The next move will be for the local power establishment to open their checkbooks, and POUR money into Karen K. Keith's Kounty Kommissioner campaign.
Look for her to raise and spend over $200K. Easily.
The local ruling Power Oligarchy are afraid of someone not under their total control holding high local public office.
They had a bit of a close call back in 1986 when outsider Tom Quinn knocked off their incumbent Mayor Terry Young (another former local TV personality).
The ruling power elite had to quickly change gears to throw all their support to "Dickless" Dick Crawford, who served one-term as Mayor.
And, before County Commissioner Randi Miller was thrown into the 2006 Tulsa Mayoral election as a Spoiler candidate, Conservative City Councilor Chris Medlock had a reasonable chance of knocking off unpopular incumbent RINO Mayor Bill MisFortunate in the GOP primary.
Sinator Big Jimbo Inhofe and Paragon of Virtue (former)ORU President Richard Roberts twisted her arm to get into the race to DOUBLE the chances that the local ruling power establishment would continue their unbroken control of the Mayor's Office.
Remember, as a former County elected officer told me, saying:
"FB,
EVERY deal at the County is a bent deal".
The place needs fumigating, and Sally Bell will bring the roach spray.
Reform the Tulsa County government operations?
Target Rich Environment.............
Definitely.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Remember, as a former County elected officer told me, saying:
"FB, EVERY deal at the County is a bent deal".
The place needs fumigating, and Sally Bell will bring the roach spray.
Reform the Tulsa County government operations?
Target Rich Environment.............
Definitely.
1. Since an anonymous 'official' told an anonymous blogger it all must be so!
2. Just saying, Sally did a great job keeping Bell's looking sharp and growing . . .
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Remember, as a former County elected officer told me, saying:
"FB, EVERY deal at the County is a bent deal".
The place needs fumigating, and Sally Bell will bring the roach spray.
Reform the Tulsa County government operations?
Target Rich Environment.............
Definitely.
1. Since an anonymous 'official' told an anonymous blogger it all must be so!
2. Just saying, Sally did a great job keeping Bell's looking sharp and growing . . .
If the Tulsa County GOP Leadership had even HALF a brain, they would try to capitalize on the Voter mood displayed in Tuesday's election regarding the thrashing Sally Bell gave the local power establishment incumbent Randi Miller.
81.5% vote against the power establishment incumbent should be a bell-ringer moment, if the GOP Leadership are listening.
It's SALLY BELL's campaign locally that may have some coattails come November.
Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Inhofe need to think about that, in regards to their own re-election campaigns. As well as those state House and Senate candidates whose districts overlap Tulsa County Commissioner District #2.
Thinking JOINT campaign appearances?
And, alignment with a common Sally Bell campaign message.....Transparency? Accountability? Honesty?
Luckily for the local Democrat Party leadership, the local GOP Leadership is probably asleep again as usual, or busy being
Wheeler-Dealers gaming the System, instead of
Square Dealers.......to paraphrase Michael Bates.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Remember, as a former County elected officer told me, saying:
"FB, EVERY deal at the County is a bent deal".
The place needs fumigating, and Sally Bell will bring the roach spray.
Reform the Tulsa County government operations?
Target Rich Environment.............
Definitely.
1. Since an anonymous 'official' told an anonymous blogger it all must be so!
2. Just saying, Sally did a great job keeping Bell's looking sharp and growing . . .
If the Tulsa County GOP Leadership had even HALF a brain, they would try to capitalize on the Voter mood displayed in Tuesday's election regarding the thrashing Sally Bell gave the local power establishment incumbent Randi Miller.
81.5% vote against the power establishment incumbent should be a bell-ringer moment, if the GOP Leadership are listening.
It's SALLY BELL's campaign locally that may have some coattails come November.
Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Inhofe need to think about that, in regards to their own re-election campaigns. As well as those state House and Senate candidates whose districts overlap Tulsa County Commissioner District #2.
Thinking JOINT campaign appearances?
And, alignment with a common Sally Bell campaign message.....Transparency? Accountability? Honesty?
Luckily for the local Democrat Party leadership, the local GOP Leadership is probably asleep again as usual, or busy being Wheeler-Dealers gaming the System, instead of Square Dealers.......to paraphrase Michael Bates.
Sally Bell didn't win on her "Transparency, accountability, honesty" theme. She won because Randi Miller is a fool who was constantly in controversy trouble brought on by herself. People across party lines got tired of Randi Miller's ego and belief that she can do whatever she wants because of her position.
Sally Bell represents at best the stalwart 27% GOP fanatics and raised stiff arm brown shirts that are so visible in Tulsa. Inhofe and Sullivan may face the wrath of voters over the obvious failed past decade of their party's leadership in congress and the white house but it won't have anything to do with Bell opening their eyes with promises of transparency, honesty and accountability.
Coat-tails or skirt tails you're dreaming. Dreaming is good. Keeps reality at bay.
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Originally posted by waterboy
Sally Bell represents at best the stalwart 27% GOP fanatics and raised stiff arm brown shirts that are so visible in Tulsa.
Have you lost your effing mind? What is wrong with you? You wake up on the wrong side of the river or what?
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Originally posted by waterboy
Sally Bell represents at best the stalwart 27% GOP fanatics and raised stiff arm brown shirts that are so visible in Tulsa. Inhofe and Sullivan may face the wrath of voters over the obvious failed past decade of their party's leadership in congress and the white house but it won't have anything to do with Bell opening their eyes with promises of transparency, honesty and accountability.
Coat-tails or skirt tails you're dreaming. Dreaming is good. Keeps reality at bay.
It's really quite simple to understand.
Randi Miller's BRAND quit selling new tax increases to the voters.
Same as Susan Savage's brand.
Serial lies and half-truths about Politicians brand quality eventually causes the voters to dump that brand, and find another.
And, the clever marketers at Snakey, Turncoat and Flake are always ready with a new Brand.
So, the local ruling power Oligarchy has a fresh, shiny, new Brand waiting in the wings, just waiting for the Lorton's World and Channel 862 to sell you a new Brand.
THEIR Brand.
They had the "Reformer" Bill LaFortune, County Commissioner Bob Dick, and TV personality Karen Keith Brands to help sell the Vision 2025 tax.
Now, they have Kathy Taylor and Karen Keith as their new fresh, new Brands to sell other tax increases.
Why? Because they NEED to FEED their GREED.
Really, it's so simple.
It's all about Marketing and Brand loyalty.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by waterboy
Sally Bell represents at best the stalwart 27% GOP fanatics and raised stiff arm brown shirts that are so visible in Tulsa.
Have you lost your effing mind? What is wrong with you? You wake up on the wrong side of the river or what?
Perhaps you could illucidate? I simply believe that the high vote was a referendum by republicans on Randi Miller, not an Obama like quickening of support for Bell. When it comes time to choose between a fairly moderate, competent, experienced Democrat who actually worked for a Republican mayor, my bet is Bell doesn't draw any more than the base of the party along with the fanatical demo haters.
Apparently you haven't met some of these anti Dem, anti liberal fanatics who key cars with Obama stickers, yell obscenities on the internet, shoot liberals at Unitarian churches and denigrate democrats in the workplace. Maybe you are one?
I always wake up on the East side of the river though sometimes quite near the banks.[;)]
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by waterboy
Sally Bell represents at best the stalwart 27% GOP fanatics and raised stiff arm brown shirts that are so visible in Tulsa. Inhofe and Sullivan may face the wrath of voters over the obvious failed past decade of their party's leadership in congress and the white house but it won't have anything to do with Bell opening their eyes with promises of transparency, honesty and accountability.
Coat-tails or skirt tails you're dreaming. Dreaming is good. Keeps reality at bay.
It's really quite simple to understand.
Randi Miller's BRAND quit selling new tax increases to the voters.
Same as Susan Savage's brand.
Serial lies and half-truths about Politicians brand quality eventually causes the voters to dump that brand, and find another.
And, the clever marketers at Snakey, Turncoat and Flake are always ready with a new Brand.
So, the local ruling power Oligarchy has a fresh, shiny, new Brand waiting in the wings, just waiting for the Lorton's World and Channel 862 to sell you a new Brand.
THEIR Brand.
They had the "Reformer" Bill LaFortune, County Commissioner Bob Dick, and TV personality Karen Keith Brands to help sell the Vision 2025 tax.
Now, they have Kathy Taylor and Karen Keith as their new fresh, new Brands to sell other tax increases.
Why? Because they NEED to FEED their GREED.
Really, it's so simple.
It's all about Marketing and Brand loyalty.
Gaspar should have been replying to you. This is just getting silly. Need, feed, greed, plead, mead, lead, keyed. Isnt' it cute? They rhyme!! Conspiracy, oligarchy, patriarchy, branding...its as if you think the common folk are just slabs of bacon that the rich folk buy over at Petty's and cook up into fresh candidates. 1/4lb Honey Cured Keith....$4.39lb!!
But then the anti-oligarchy candidates, why thats not branding, that's pure patriotic, anti-tax KFAQ approved USDA steak! Cook em up!
Just plain silly.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by waterboy
Sally Bell represents at best the stalwart 27% GOP fanatics and raised stiff arm brown shirts that are so visible in Tulsa. Inhofe and Sullivan may face the wrath of voters over the obvious failed past decade of their party's leadership in congress and the white house but it won't have anything to do with Bell opening their eyes with promises of transparency, honesty and accountability.
Coat-tails or skirt tails you're dreaming. Dreaming is good. Keeps reality at bay.
It's really quite simple to understand.
Randi Miller's BRAND quit selling new tax increases to the voters.
Same as Susan Savage's brand.
Serial lies and half-truths about Politicians brand quality eventually causes the voters to dump that brand, and find another.
And, the clever marketers at Snakey, Turncoat and Flake are always ready with a new Brand.
So, the local ruling power Oligarchy has a fresh, shiny, new Brand waiting in the wings, just waiting for the Lorton's World and Channel 862 to sell you a new Brand.
THEIR Brand.
They had the "Reformer" Bill LaFortune, County Commissioner Bob Dick, and TV personality Karen Keith Brands to help sell the Vision 2025 tax.
Now, they have Kathy Taylor and Karen Keith as their new fresh, new Brands to sell other tax increases.
Why? Because they NEED to FEED their GREED.
Really, it's so simple.
It's all about Marketing and Brand loyalty.
Gaspar should have been replying to you. This is just getting silly. Need, feed, greed, plead, mead, lead, keyed. Isnt' it cute? They rhyme!! Conspiracy, oligarchy, patriarchy, branding...its as if you think the common folk are just slabs of bacon that the rich folk buy over at Petty's and cook up into fresh candidates. 1/4lb Honey Cured Keith....$4.39lb!!
But then the anti-oligarchy candidates, why thats not branding, that's pure patriotic, anti-tax KFAQ approved USDA steak! Cook em up!
Just plain silly.
Actually, I think the local Power Oligarchy controlled candidates like Karen Keith are selling us bologna. Not steak.
Along with their paid prostituting paladin professional politicians like recently-retired Randi, and soon-to-be retired as Mayor Tax-me-More Taylor.
Wonder if the third and fourth generation local Trust Fund Babies like to listen to the alliteration....?
They NEED to FEED their GREED.Probably pickles their peckers, or puckers their pudenda.
[:(!]
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Originally posted by waterboy Maybe you are one?
That is exactly what the haters want you to do, lash out at anyone who you think is suspect. Like a thousand little krystalnachts [sic] those kind of people want to wear down good people and turn you into them until everyone is the enemy.
You basically walk around thinking that a good percentage of your neighbors are genocidal fascists, according to your post. Ewwww.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by waterboy Maybe you are one?
That is exactly what the haters want you to do, lash out at anyone who you think is suspect. Like a thousand little krystalnachts [sic] those kind of people want to wear down good people and turn you into them until everyone is the enemy.
You basically walk around thinking that a good percentage of your neighbors are genocidal fascists, according to your post. Ewwww.
Certainly NOT.
The vast majority of my neighbors are immersed in the multitude of tasks at hand:
Work
School
Children
Eldercare
Hobbies
TV
Sports
Church
Yardwork
Household chores
Vacations
The majority of my neighbors, and the majority of Tulsans are hard-working, decent people that are being exploited so many different ways they haven't got a clear idea of how bad it really is.
For starters, when they go to the grocery store to buy groceries, when they try to buy $100.00 worth of groceries, they leave with only $91.50.
Why?
The rest is sales tax.
A very REGRESSIVE tax.
Meaning, it hurts the poor and middle class hard; and hardly bothers our ruling local Oligarchy.
Most people devote very little time to politics. The arguing and bickering turn them off.
And, it's meant to turn them off. Just like some posters like to start hurling invectives and slamming other posters.
It's a strategy.
That's why I can help educate them a little here. FB has thick hide.
And, while generally avoiding confrontation, bears when provoked enjoy ripping the guts out of their adversary. Jaws of death......
Many lurkers are learning A LOT about the Banana Republic of Tulsa on this Forum.
A phrase that really says it all about our local political scheme:
The Banana Republic of Tulsa.
And, while we have many Forum lurkers on these topics, we have relatively few regular posters.
The fewer people who want to get involved with the turbulence of their local political scene, the easier it is for a few very wealthy and socially connected individuals to control EVERYTHING political in T-town.
Everything.
They've been in control for at least the past 50 years.
Controlling the message through the Lorton's World mass circulation daily "newspaper".
Controlling the mass electronic media with Channel 862. And, how about gifted grifter John Erling Frette formerly at KRMG for only 30 years?
They control the promotion and financing of hand-picked, well-financed and well-oiled candidates.
UNCONTROLLING the financing of their treasured G.O. and Revenue bonds and new sales tax initiatives.
NO campaign contribution limits there. Oh NO.
How HANDY!
And, they like things just the way they are.
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Nazi.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Nazi.
Am not.
Is too.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Is too.
Not.
Non.
Nada.
Nein.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Is too.
Not.
Non.
Nada.
Nein.
Nyet.
I think we're all a little confused here. I called Tim, Gaspar. Tim called me something and then held his nose. FB responded to that and Tim called one of us Nazi. FB assure us he isn't Nazi and represents the forsaken proletariat. Is that right?
I think we're up to the third grade right now.
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Originally posted by waterboy
I think we're all a little confused here. I called Tim, Gaspar. Tim called me something and then held his nose. FB responded to that and Tim called one of us Nazi. FB assure us he isn't Nazi and represents the forsaken proletariat. Is that right?
I think we're up to the third grade right now.
Why don't we pick up the thread again where we left off:
Retired Tulsa County Commissioner Randi "Randy" Miller was just asking Asst. Public Werkes Direktor and Pool Boy Buchert:
"Say, come over here and oil up my back before I get a sunburn....
It's so HARD to reach back there."
Just a little help please."
Ah, just right. Spread it all over....that's IT. MORE."
[8D]
Please stop with personal attacks on other forum members.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
You don't see Gov. Bad Brad Henry making that mistake. Just true-blue Democrats in his Administration.
I'd have to disagree, he did appoint Kathy Taylor as commerce secretary when she had contributed to Largent previously. Of course, he only did so after she paid a pretty penny to his campaign coffers.
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Originally posted by waterboy
I think we're all a little confused here. I called Tim, Gaspar. Tim called me something and then held his nose. FB responded to that and Tim called one of us Nazi. FB assure us he isn't Nazi and represents the forsaken proletariat. Is that right?
I think we're up to the third grade right now.
You started it. [;)] I was facetiously calling FB a Nazi. At this point I am scared of disagreeing with you much less agitating you. [:D]
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
You don't see Gov. Bad Brad Henry making that mistake. Just true-blue Democrats in his Administration.
I'd have to disagree, he did appoint Kathy Taylor as commerce secretary when she had contributed to Largent previously. Of course, he only did so after she paid a pretty penny to his campaign coffers.
That is an incredibly high standard for political fidelity. Have you considered going independent? You will be much happier.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by waterboy
I think we're all a little confused here. I called Tim, Gaspar. Tim called me something and then held his nose. FB responded to that and Tim called one of us Nazi. FB assure us he isn't Nazi and represents the forsaken proletariat. Is that right?
I think we're up to the third grade right now.
You started it. [;)] I was facetiously calling FB a Nazi. At this point I am scared of disagreeing with you much less agitating you. [:D]
No you're not. The only thing afraid of me is my dog and he knows he can outrun me if he has to. I get beat up around here all the time. Comes with the territory.
The real question here is, "who voted to retain Miller?" Find them, yank their voter registration cards and send them to evening school.[:D]
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Originally posted by waterboy
The real question here is, "who voted to retain Miller?" Find them, yank their voter registration cards and send them to evening school.[:D]
I am very proud of the Tulsa County GOP grassroots. That is encouraging. County Dems should only be so independent. Of course, without KOTV's hatchet pieces Her Repugnance would still be in office.
Who were Miller's supporters? Probably folk who are doing alright and are generally pleased with where the County is heading. 90% of incumbents are re-elected because voters go off name recognition and she has been around [ahem] for some time.
[:D]Only a true GOP believer would think that 81% of their people voting for one candidate would be independent thinking.
I believe many Tulsa registered Dems are DINO's. People like AA who register Dem then criticize viciously their leadership. Or those who registered 30 years ago the way their parents did but never really voted Dem. That would make our party much more independent voters. I don't remember a Dem gaining 81% in a primary.
I am a registered independent who votes a straight D ticket.
An IINO? Why register Independent then?
My statement stands, though the inference that you're GOP doesn't. 81% of a party voting for/against a candidate doesn't qualify as independent thinking. They just don't like Randi and its understandable why. If the vote had been non partisan, I believe you would have had a huge vote against her as well.
I guess I am an IINO, that is funny! No handy acronym for disaffected-protest-voter-who-left the-Party-at-the-peak-of-its-power-because-they struck-me-as-a bunch-of-self-centered-arrogant weinies-who-treated-my-support-with-disdain.
Those 81% were not even a majority of registered GOP voters, just a fractional amount of potential voters. I say independent-minded because they did not do the easy thing and vote for the incumbent.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
I guess I am an IINO, that is funny! No handy acronym for disaffected-protest-voter-who-left the-Party-at-the-peak-of-its-power-because-they struck-me-as-a bunch-of-self-centered-arrogant weinies-who-treated-my-support-with-disdain.
Those 81% were not even a majority of registered GOP voters, just a fractional amount of potential voters. I say independent-minded because they did not do the easy thing and vote for the incumbent.
There must be a good term for that. Maybe non-aligned Democrat? NAD! You're a NAD! At the convention you could hold a placard saying "GO-NADS!"
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Originally posted by waterboy
[:D]Only a true GOP believer would think that 81% of their people voting for one candidate would be independent thinking.
I believe many Tulsa registered Dems are DINO's. People like AA who register Dem then criticize viciously their leadership. Or those who registered 30 years ago the way their parents did but never really voted Dem. That would make our party much more independent voters. I don't remember a Dem gaining 81% in a primary.
First of all, I am proud to be a Democrat.
Secondly, I have the right to b#*ch because I am active in the party and get out and work campaigns on a voluntary basis to help elect Democrats. Unlike Kathy Taylor, who donated to George Bush and Steve Largent, I've never donated my time or money to Republicans or their campaigns. So you tell me who is the DINO?
I guess I'm a DINO for not supporting Jeff McMahan, Carrol Fisher, Gene Stipe, or Mike Mass, either? There is a spot on that Democratic Wall of Shame waiting for Kathy Taylor's portrait too, btw. Just because I don't goose step blindly for party incumbents, doesn't make me a DINO. Like, I always say, I'd rather be an honest naysayer than a dishonest cheerleader.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by waterboy
[:D]Only a true GOP believer would think that 81% of their people voting for one candidate would be independent thinking.
I believe many Tulsa registered Dems are DINO's. People like AA who register Dem then criticize viciously their leadership. Or those who registered 30 years ago the way their parents did but never really voted Dem. That would make our party much more independent voters. I don't remember a Dem gaining 81% in a primary.
First of all, I am proud to be a Democrat.
Secondly, I have the right to b#*ch because I am active in the party and get out and work campaigns on a voluntary basis to help elect Democrats. Unlike Kathy Taylor, who donated to George Bush and Steve Largent, I've never donated my time or money to Republicans or their campaigns. So you tell me who is the DINO?
I guess I'm a DINO for not supporting Jeff McMahan, Carrol Fisher, Gene Stipe, or Mike Mass, either? There is a spot on that Democratic Wall of Shame waiting for Kathy Taylor's portrait too, btw. Just because I don't goose step blindly for party incumbents, doesn't make me a DINO. Like, I always say, I'd rather be an honest naysayer than a dishonest cheerleader.
Your parents, your wife and children should be so proud. [8D]
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by waterboy
[:D]Only a true GOP believer would think that 81% of their people voting for one candidate would be independent thinking.
I believe many Tulsa registered Dems are DINO's. People like AA who register Dem then criticize viciously their leadership. Or those who registered 30 years ago the way their parents did but never really voted Dem. That would make our party much more independent voters. I don't remember a Dem gaining 81% in a primary.
First of all, I am proud to be a Democrat.
Secondly, I have the right to b#*ch because I am active in the party and get out and work campaigns on a voluntary basis to help elect Democrats. Unlike Kathy Taylor, who donated to George Bush and Steve Largent, I've never donated my time or money to Republicans or their campaigns. So you tell me who is the DINO?
I guess I'm a DINO for not supporting Jeff McMahan, Carrol Fisher, Gene Stipe, or Mike Mass, either? There is a spot on that Democratic Wall of Shame waiting for Kathy Taylor's portrait too, btw. Just because I don't goose step blindly for party incumbents, doesn't make me a DINO. Like, I always say, I'd rather be an honest naysayer than a dishonest cheerleader.
Touched a tender spot eh?
Parties are like family. You have some oddballs, some screwups and some characters that you have to endure and let nature run its course. But to go out and demean your family and give its detractors fuel to oppress your family is rarely appreciated by the rest of the family. Republicans understand that. Praise publicly, criticize privately.
You crafted the shoes my friend, they appear to be a good fit.