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Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: akupetsky on July 26, 2008, 01:49:03 PM
I think it's possible, and this "world tour" helps to show it.  What do you think?
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: FOTD on July 26, 2008, 01:54:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by akupetsky

I think it's possible, and this "world tour" helps to show it.  What do you think?



Don't matter. This is Dumbf*ckistan.
Besides, isn't that guy a Muslim?[:)]
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: FOTD on July 28, 2008, 10:09:32 AM
The Devil is seeing red turn to blue.....Oh No!

Tell your buddies to be afraid.

"I'm scared" the rant from the right.

Gallup: Obama Opens His Largest Lead
Sen. Barack Obama now leads Sen. John McCain among national registered voters by a 49% to 40%, according to the latest Gallup Tracking Poll.

"The margin, coincident with the extensive U.S. news coverage of Obama's foreign tour, is the largest for Obama over McCain measured since Gallup began tracking the general election horserace in March."

Landslide coming! Watch out.....
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 28, 2008, 11:55:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by akupetsky

I think it's possible, and this "world tour" helps to show it.  What do you think?



Barack Hussein Obama is the Democrat nominee because:

Positives:

1)  Excellent political campaign organization, and raised LOTS of money.
2)  Very eloquent speaker in a controlled, re-hearsed forum.  Less agile in a more demanding Q&A forum.
3)  Very facile press.  In fact, they seem to fawn over him.  They love him. That helped elect Bill Clinton.  It's helping Obama, too.
4)  Implicit racial message just below the surface of many of his speeches:

Whitey will be forgiven for past sins if we vote for Obama.

His negatives:

1) No measurable track record as legislator.
2) Strange name for an American President.
3) Politically positioned to the LEFT of Teddy Kennedy.
4) Has been a member of a large, Black Liberation Theology Church for over 20 years.  Their central tenet and core belief:

BLAME all his race's problems on the Whites.

4) His spiritual mentor and pastor for the past 20 years is a race-baiting Demagogue.  

Can't you just imagine the impact when the video surfaces of Obama applauding in the audience at one of Rev. Wright's racist rants.....?

Ouch!


Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Nik on July 28, 2008, 12:53:47 PM
Just some responses to some of your points:

Positive 3: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

quote:
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



Positive 4: I've listened to several of his speeches and never got this impression.

Negative 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

quote:
Obama has been described to have "sponsored 131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee (Average) and 2% (2 bills) have been enacted into law (Average, relative to peers).[2] These figures do not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, which were formally sponsored by Senators Coburn and Lugar, respectively.


Negative 2: Seriously? This is a negative? Its a sad day when a person's name is a negative.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 28, 2008, 01:43:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Nik

Just some responses to some of your points:

Positive 3: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

quote:
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



Positive 4: I've listened to several of his speeches and never got this impression.

Negative 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

quote:
Obama has been described to have "sponsored 131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee (Average) and 2% (2 bills) have been enacted into law (Average, relative to peers).[2] These figures do not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, which were formally sponsored by Senators Coburn and Lugar, respectively.


Negative 2: Seriously? This is a negative? Its a sad day when a person's name is a negative.



You can poll until the cows come home.

The press has been having a Love Fest with candidate Obama from Day 1.

Back to names:  It's believed by political consultants that a simple, two-syllable first name, and a simple two-syllable last name are the best combination for a political candidate.

Richard Nixon

Lyndon Johnson

Hubert Humphrey

Jimmy Carter

Adolph Hitler

David Boren

Simple, and easy to remember.

One negative of former state candidate Ernest Istook had in his race against Governor Lazybones Henry was his goofy name.

Former Senator Gary Hart had his father legally change their name from Hartspence to Hart, on Gary's urging while he was still in high school.  Gary had ambitions.......

Well, until he took a 3-hour cruise on the good ship "Monkey Business", with a woman who was NOT his wife.

William Jefferson Clinton's REAL name until he was almost out of high school was:

William Jefferson BLYTHE.  



Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: RecycleMichael on July 28, 2008, 02:00:19 PM
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Theodore Roosevelt...

all have the same syllable names as Barack Obama.

If two syllable first and two syllable second is preferred...I will call you Friendly BearPoop.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 28, 2008, 02:10:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Theodore Roosevelt...

all have the same syllable names as Barack Obama.

If two syllable first and two syllable second is preferred...I will call you Friendly BearPoop.




Kathy Taylor?

Susan Savage?  (Note:  NOT Susan Hall, her legal, married name - at the time).

and, I didn't say it was preferred.

POLITICAL CONSULTANTS said the Da-da, Da-da rhythm of two simple names are best for a candidate.

In the English language, of course.



Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Nik on July 28, 2008, 02:56:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

Just some responses to some of your points:

Positive 3: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

quote:
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



Positive 4: I've listened to several of his speeches and never got this impression.

Negative 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

quote:
Obama has been described to have "sponsored 131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee (Average) and 2% (2 bills) have been enacted into law (Average, relative to peers).[2] These figures do not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, which were formally sponsored by Senators Coburn and Lugar, respectively.


Negative 2: Seriously? This is a negative? Its a sad day when a person's name is a negative.



You can poll until the cows come home.

The press has been having a Love Fest with candidate Obama from Day 1.



Yeah, forget non-biased, professionally performed research!

Besides, its not like what Obama has been doing for the past couple weeks isn't newsworthy. He is meeting with soldiers, heads-of-state, and hundreds of thousands of European citizens while McCain is giving speeches in front of 20 people in Berlin, Georgia or London, New Hampshire or wherever using the same ole Rovian tactics that got Bush elected. But I digress.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 28, 2008, 03:56:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

Just some responses to some of your points:

Positive 3: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

quote:
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



Positive 4: I've listened to several of his speeches and never got this impression.

Negative 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

quote:
Obama has been described to have "sponsored 131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee (Average) and 2% (2 bills) have been enacted into law (Average, relative to peers).[2] These figures do not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, which were formally sponsored by Senators Coburn and Lugar, respectively.


Negative 2: Seriously? This is a negative? Its a sad day when a person's name is a negative.



You can poll until the cows come home.

The press has been having a Love Fest with candidate Obama from Day 1.



Yeah, forget non-biased, professionally performed research!

Besides, its not like what Obama has been doing for the past couple weeks isn't newsworthy. He is meeting with soldiers, heads-of-state, and hundreds of thousands of European citizens while McCain is giving speeches in front of 20 people in Berlin, Georgia or London, New Hampshire or wherever using the same ole Rovian tactics that got Bush elected. But I digress.



Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped.  Ducked.  Ran away.  Faded.  Retreated.  Vamoosed.

And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Schwarzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Hoss on July 28, 2008, 04:04:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

Just some responses to some of your points:

Positive 3: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

quote:
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



Positive 4: I've listened to several of his speeches and never got this impression.

Negative 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

quote:
Obama has been described to have "sponsored 131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee (Average) and 2% (2 bills) have been enacted into law (Average, relative to peers).[2] These figures do not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, which were formally sponsored by Senators Coburn and Lugar, respectively.


Negative 2: Seriously? This is a negative? Its a sad day when a person's name is a negative.



You can poll until the cows come home.

The press has been having a Love Fest with candidate Obama from Day 1.



Yeah, forget non-biased, professionally performed research!

Besides, its not like what Obama has been doing for the past couple weeks isn't newsworthy. He is meeting with soldiers, heads-of-state, and hundreds of thousands of European citizens while McCain is giving speeches in front of 20 people in Berlin, Georgia or London, New Hampshire or wherever using the same ole Rovian tactics that got Bush elected. But I digress.



Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped.  Ducked.  Ran away.  Faded.  Retreated.  Vamoosed.

And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]




Lose/lose for Barack in this instance.  He was told not to go by the Pentagon.

Looks like we'll have a new party in office come November.  McCain is looking more and more brain-dead every week.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Conan71 on July 28, 2008, 04:08:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear


And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]




Do racism much?  First "greedy Jews" when you were ranting about Kaiser.  Now "Swartzer" referring to Obama.

Is there a reason the forum brass allow you to remain on this board?
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Gold on July 28, 2008, 04:21:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear


And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]




Do racism much?  First "greedy Jews" when you were ranting about Kaiser.  Now "Swartzer" referring to Obama.

Is there a reason the forum brass allow you to remain on this board?




(http://www.uberreview.com/wp-content/uploads/darth-vader-pinata.jpg)
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: we vs us on July 28, 2008, 04:22:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear


And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]




Do racism much?  First "greedy Jews" when you were ranting about Kaiser.  Now "Swartzer" referring to Obama.

Is there a reason the forum brass allow you to remain on this board?




I have to agree.  This is getting pretty tiresome.  When does FB finally trip the sensors?
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Nik on July 28, 2008, 04:59:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

Just some responses to some of your points:

Positive 3: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

quote:
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



Positive 4: I've listened to several of his speeches and never got this impression.

Negative 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

quote:
Obama has been described to have "sponsored 131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee (Average) and 2% (2 bills) have been enacted into law (Average, relative to peers).[2] These figures do not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, which were formally sponsored by Senators Coburn and Lugar, respectively.


Negative 2: Seriously? This is a negative? Its a sad day when a person's name is a negative.



You can poll until the cows come home.

The press has been having a Love Fest with candidate Obama from Day 1.



Yeah, forget non-biased, professionally performed research!

Besides, its not like what Obama has been doing for the past couple weeks isn't newsworthy. He is meeting with soldiers, heads-of-state, and hundreds of thousands of European citizens while McCain is giving speeches in front of 20 people in Berlin, Georgia or London, New Hampshire or wherever using the same ole Rovian tactics that got Bush elected. But I digress.



Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped.  Ducked.  Ran away.  Faded.  Retreated.  Vamoosed.

And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]




Feel free to not absorb everything you're being force-fed by the McCain campaign.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/28/1228137.aspx

quote:
NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports that there was never a plan for Obama to take the press to Landstuhl, despite the claim by McCain folks and others. The plan was to go with his military aide, retired General Scott Gration. The Pentagon said Gration was off-limits because he had joined the campaign -- violating rules that it not be a political stop.  Obama had gone to see wounded troops in Iraq earlier in the week, without even confirming he'd been there. No press, no pictures. He has done the same when he goes to Walter Reed -- never any press.

Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: FOTD on July 28, 2008, 05:01:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

Just some responses to some of your points:

Positive 3: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

quote:
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



Positive 4: I've listened to several of his speeches and never got this impression.

Negative 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

quote:
Obama has been described to have "sponsored 131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee (Average) and 2% (2 bills) have been enacted into law (Average, relative to peers).[2] These figures do not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, which were formally sponsored by Senators Coburn and Lugar, respectively.


Negative 2: Seriously? This is a negative? Its a sad day when a person's name is a negative.



You can poll until the cows come home.

The press has been having a Love Fest with candidate Obama from Day 1.



Yeah, forget non-biased, professionally performed research!

Besides, its not like what Obama has been doing for the past couple weeks isn't newsworthy. He is meeting with soldiers, heads-of-state, and hundreds of thousands of European citizens while McCain is giving speeches in front of 20 people in Berlin, Georgia or London, New Hampshire or wherever using the same ole Rovian tactics that got Bush elected. But I digress.



Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped.  Ducked.  Ran away.  Faded.  Retreated.  Vamoosed.

And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]




FB crosses line of acceptable yiddush.

FB, the devil advocates you go clean your white robes and your cone head white hood that matches the robes.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 28, 2008, 05:14:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

Just some responses to some of your points:

Positive 3: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

quote:
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



Positive 4: I've listened to several of his speeches and never got this impression.

Negative 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

quote:
Obama has been described to have "sponsored 131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee (Average) and 2% (2 bills) have been enacted into law (Average, relative to peers).[2] These figures do not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, which were formally sponsored by Senators Coburn and Lugar, respectively.


Negative 2: Seriously? This is a negative? Its a sad day when a person's name is a negative.



You can poll until the cows come home.

The press has been having a Love Fest with candidate Obama from Day 1.



Yeah, forget non-biased, professionally performed research!

Besides, its not like what Obama has been doing for the past couple weeks isn't newsworthy. He is meeting with soldiers, heads-of-state, and hundreds of thousands of European citizens while McCain is giving speeches in front of 20 people in Berlin, Georgia or London, New Hampshire or wherever using the same ole Rovian tactics that got Bush elected. But I digress.



Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped.  Ducked.  Ran away.  Faded.  Retreated.  Vamoosed.

And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]




FB crosses line of acceptable yiddush.

FB, the devil advocates you go clean your white robes and your cone head white hood that matches the robes.



Auf deutsch, the term simply means "black person".

It's not derogatory.

Were you thinking of Schvantzer?

That's naughty.




Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: FOTD on July 28, 2008, 05:20:58 PM
WRONG. The devil will look past your mistake. It's used as the "n" word but in yiddush.

Quit using it. The devil will give you the pitchfork in the rectum otherwise.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 28, 2008, 05:27:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

WRONG. The devil will look past your mistake. It's used as the "n" word but in yiddush.

Quit using it. The devil will give you the pitchfork in the rectum otherwise.



You mean it's Yiddish, too?

Oy vay!

Since he was talking to the GERMANS, to them he is a Schwarzer.

Auf Deutsch:

"Black person".

That's all.

Schwarz is the german word for Black.

Like, Schwarzwald = Black Forest.

Where they make the wunderbar Cuckoo Clocks.

Oh, those are made in China now?

Sorry.

Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: FOTD on July 28, 2008, 05:31:39 PM
Don't go playing Nazi.....

Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 28, 2008, 05:35:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

Don't go playing Nazi.....





ALARUM!

Alle ist verloren!

Ein Schwartzer U.S. President?

Scheise!
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: okiebybirth on July 28, 2008, 10:15:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

Don't go playing Nazi.....





ALARUM!

Alle ist verloren!

Ein Schwartzer U.S. President?

Scheise!




Being glib does not make it funny, it just shows that you think you got away with being a racist and not being censored for it.  

"free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for"  

Why is he a swartzer (negro) they can't vote for instead of being a presidential candidate they cannot vote for?

You truly have shot what little credibility you may have possessed on this board whether you get censored or not.



 
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: rwarn17588 on July 28, 2008, 11:28:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by okiebybirth

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

Don't go playing Nazi.....





ALARUM!

Alle ist verloren!

Ein Schwartzer U.S. President?

Scheise!




Being glib does not make it funny, it just shows that you think you got away with being a racist and not being censored for it.  

"free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for"  

Why is he a swartzer (negro) they can't vote for instead of being a presidential candidate they cannot vote for?

You truly have shot what little credibility you may have possessed on this board whether you get censored or not.




Yep.

The term F.B. used is under WordIQ's "List of Ethnic Slurs."

From the site:

"The key here is that the person using the slur cares so little about the target, that the person's actual background is irrelevant. The motivation for using an ethnic slur is often racism or bigotry."

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/List_of_ethnic_slurs
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: akupetsky on July 28, 2008, 11:43:52 PM
quote:



Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped.  Ducked.  Ran away.  Faded.  Retreated.  Vamoosed.

And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Swartzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]




Feel free to not absorb everything you're being force-fed by the McCain campaign.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/28/1228137.aspx

quote:
NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports that there was never a plan for Obama to take the press to Landstuhl, despite the claim by McCain folks and others. The plan was to go with his military aide, retired General Scott Gration. The Pentagon said Gration was off-limits because he had joined the campaign -- violating rules that it not be a political stop.  Obama had gone to see wounded troops in Iraq earlier in the week, without even confirming he'd been there. No press, no pictures. He has done the same when he goes to Walter Reed -- never any press. [/quote]

[/quote]
Yeah, this was a trap, and Obama dealt with it correctly.  Because this portion of the trip was being paid for out of campaign funds, the Pentagon (and/or McCain) would have called it "political" no matter who went with Obama.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: FOTD on July 29, 2008, 08:16:42 AM
FB....nutsy or not see?
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Conan71 on July 29, 2008, 10:12:30 AM
FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.

Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Gold on July 29, 2008, 10:23:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

WRONG. The devil will look past your mistake. It's used as the "n" word but in yiddush.

Quit using it. The devil will give you the pitchfork in the rectum otherwise.



You mean it's Yiddish, too?

Oy vay!

Since he was talking to the GERMANS, to them he is a Schwarzer.

Auf Deutsch:

"Black person".

That's all.

Schwarz is the german word for Black.

Like, Schwarzwald = Black Forest.

Where they make the wunderbar Cuckoo Clocks.

Oh, those are made in China now?

Sorry.





It's sad . ..

when you have to stoop to racial slurs . . .

for attention.

Especially when no one thinks you're funny.

Poor FB.

[}:)]
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 29, 2008, 11:38:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Gold

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

WRONG. The devil will look past your mistake. It's used as the "n" word but in yiddush.

Quit using it. The devil will give you the pitchfork in the rectum otherwise.




You mean it's Yiddish, too?

Oy vay!

Since he was talking to the GERMANS, to them he is a Schwarzer.

Auf Deutsch:

"Black person".

That's all.

Schwarz is the german word for Black.

Like, Schwarzwald = Black Forest.

Where they make the wunderbar Cuckoo Clocks.

Oh, those are made in China now?

Sorry.





It's sad . ..

when you have to stoop to racial slurs . . .

for attention.

Especially when no one thinks you're funny.

Poor FB.

[}:)]



It's merely a missed opportunity for Forum Participants to Increase Their Word Power, dumkopf.

I tend to think that Obama is viewed as a curiosity item in Europe, hence the enthusiastic reception.

Plus free beer and rock bands thrown-in.

Imagine the D-Fest crowd with Free Beer.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Gold on July 29, 2008, 12:50:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
[
It's merely a missed opportunity for Forum Participants to Increase Their Word Power, dumkopf.

I tend to think that Obama is viewed as a curiosity item in Europe, hence the enthusiastic reception.

Plus free beer and rock bands thrown-in.

Imagine the D-Fest crowd with Free Beer.


'
Everytime FB posts something hateful, we all lose IQ points and angels cry.

I didn't know D-fest brought people in from Europe.  But hey . . . whatever helps downtown, right Bear?  Cool to see the community doing something like this.

There's some pretty good video on the World site . . . you missed out, Bear.  http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/blogs/weblog.aspx?column_id=29#2790

Obama is more than a curiosity item.  From pretty much every younger person I've talked to over there over the years, he's exactly what the rest of the world wants . . . a charismatic leader who really has the best intentions for the U.S. and the world.

Poor FB.

[:X]
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 29, 2008, 01:21:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Gold

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
[
It's merely a missed opportunity for Forum Participants to Increase Their Word Power, dumkopf.

I tend to think that Obama is viewed as a curiosity item in Europe, hence the enthusiastic reception.

Plus free beer and rock bands thrown-in.

Imagine the D-Fest crowd with Free Beer.


'
Everytime FB posts something hateful, we all lose IQ points and angels cry.

I didn't know D-fest brought people in from Europe.  But hey . . . whatever helps downtown, right Bear?  Cool to see the community doing something like this.

There's some pretty good video on the World site . . . you missed out, Bear.  http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/blogs/weblog.aspx?column_id=29#2790

Obama is more than a curiosity item.  From pretty much every younger person I've talked to over there over the years, he's exactly what the rest of the world wants . . . a charismatic leader who really has the best intentions for the U.S. and the world.

Poor FB.

[:X]



FB had no idea he had such power:

Lower I.Q.'s and make ANGELS cry?

Sounds more like my bigger, powerful cousins, the Kamchatka Brown Bear.

Those big boys can weigh up to 1,500 pounds.

They reportedly ate two Russian miners last week.

Send more miners; the last ones were delicious!

Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Gold on July 29, 2008, 01:34:36 PM
I always knew you were a man eater.

Poor FB.

[}:)]
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Hoss on July 29, 2008, 01:35:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Gold

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
[
It's merely a missed opportunity for Forum Participants to Increase Their Word Power, dumkopf.

I tend to think that Obama is viewed as a curiosity item in Europe, hence the enthusiastic reception.

Plus free beer and rock bands thrown-in.

Imagine the D-Fest crowd with Free Beer.


'
Everytime FB posts something hateful, we all lose IQ points and angels cry.

I didn't know D-fest brought people in from Europe.  But hey . . . whatever helps downtown, right Bear?  Cool to see the community doing something like this.

There's some pretty good video on the World site . . . you missed out, Bear.  http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/blogs/weblog.aspx?column_id=29#2790

Obama is more than a curiosity item.  From pretty much every younger person I've talked to over there over the years, he's exactly what the rest of the world wants . . . a charismatic leader who really has the best intentions for the U.S. and the world.

Poor FB.

[:X]



FB had no idea he had such power:

Lower I.Q.'s and make ANGELS cry?

Sounds more like my bigger, powerful cousins, the Kamchatka Brown Bear.

Those big boys can weigh up to 1,500 pounds.

They reportedly ate two Russian miners last week.

Send more miners; the last ones were delicious!





Hmm...where'd I leave that bunny with a pancake at?....
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Conan71 on July 29, 2008, 02:19:58 PM
Allow me Hoss...

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/71conan/TN/1192447076785.jpg)
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 29, 2008, 07:32:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.





In English, it's spelled Yiddish.

Did I mention I'm not Jewish?

Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Hoss on July 29, 2008, 08:20:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

Allow me Hoss...

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/71conan/TN/1192447076785.jpg)




+1

I love illustrative narratives... [}:)]
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: FOTD on July 29, 2008, 09:31:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.





In English, it's spelled Yiddish.

Did I mention I'm not Jewish?





Who cares? You know the no-man-culture.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 30, 2008, 02:53:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.





In English, it's spelled Yiddish.

Did I mention I'm not Jewish?





Who cares? You know the no-man-culture.



Not clear what you mean?

Are you referring to Joseph Stalin's favorite phrase for solving a problem?

NO man.  No PROBLEM.

Bang!
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Conan71 on July 30, 2008, 03:16:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.





In English, it's spelled Yiddish.

Did I mention I'm not Jewish?





No need to mention that.  We got the picture a long time ago.  If I wouldn't get Godwinned, I'd say what you're rantings indicate you are.  Let's just say you sound pretty Aryan.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 30, 2008, 04:33:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.





In English, it's spelled Yiddish.

Did I mention I'm not Jewish?





No need to mention that.  We got the picture a long time ago.  If I wouldn't get Godwinned, I'd say what you're rantings indicate you are.  Let's just say you sound pretty Aryan.



Actually, I'm an African-American, one-legged Rastafarian lesbian vegetarian from Morris; Anita Hill's my First Cousin.

I'd be kicking my own behind today for not buying American Airlines at $4.50 per share recently, but I'd fall down doing it.

Back to the ImpACT of the OBAMA World Tour 2008:

Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals, and his European Vacation 2008 was merely a photo-op.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped out.  

NO CAMERAS, NO OBAMA.

Ducked.

Ran away.

Faded.

Retreated.

Vamoosed.

Lite out.

And, free music and free beer will always draw  a big summer crowd, even to listen to an American CANDIDATE that the Germans can't vote for.

Or is he running for U.N. President?

Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: rwarn17588 on July 30, 2008, 05:54:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear



Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals, and his European Vacation 2008 was merely a photo-op.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped out.  




Wrong again.

The key passage:

"A reconstruction of the circumstances surrounding Obama's decision not to visit Landstuhl, based on firsthand reporting from the trip, shows that his campaign never contemplated taking the media with him."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902286.html?hpid=topnews
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Nik on July 31, 2008, 08:09:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.





In English, it's spelled Yiddish.

Did I mention I'm not Jewish?





No need to mention that.  We got the picture a long time ago.  If I wouldn't get Godwinned, I'd say what you're rantings indicate you are.  Let's just say you sound pretty Aryan.



Actually, I'm an African-American, one-legged Rastafarian lesbian vegetarian from Morris; Anita Hill's my First Cousin.

I'd be kicking my own behind today for not buying American Airlines at $4.50 per share recently, but I'd fall down doing it.

Back to the ImpACT of the OBAMA World Tour 2008:

Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals, and his European Vacation 2008 was merely a photo-op.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped out.  

NO CAMERAS, NO OBAMA.

Ducked.

Ran away.

Faded.

Retreated.

Vamoosed.

Lite out.

And, free music and free beer will always draw  a big summer crowd, even to listen to an American CANDIDATE that the Germans can't vote for.

Or is he running for U.N. President?



i already showed you this was false. or did you casually skip over that?
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 31, 2008, 08:46:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.





In English, it's spelled Yiddish.

Did I mention I'm not Jewish?





No need to mention that.  We got the picture a long time ago.  If I wouldn't get Godwinned, I'd say what you're rantings indicate you are.  Let's just say you sound pretty Aryan.



Actually, I'm an African-American, one-legged Rastafarian lesbian vegetarian from Morris; Anita Hill's my First Cousin.

I'd be kicking my own behind today for not buying American Airlines at $4.50 per share recently, but I'd fall down doing it.

Back to the ImpACT of the OBAMA World Tour 2008:

Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals, and his European Vacation 2008 was merely a photo-op.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped out.  

NO CAMERAS, NO OBAMA.

Ducked.

Ran away.

Faded.

Retreated.

Vamoosed.

Lite out.

And, free music and free beer will always draw  a big summer crowd, even to listen to an American CANDIDATE that the Germans can't vote for.

Or is he running for U.N. President?



i already showed you this was false. or did you casually skip over that?



The Washington Post?  

I've sooner believe an article in Ebony concerning Obama.

The Post is in the bag for Obama.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Hoss on July 31, 2008, 09:36:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.





In English, it's spelled Yiddish.

Did I mention I'm not Jewish?





No need to mention that.  We got the picture a long time ago.  If I wouldn't get Godwinned, I'd say what you're rantings indicate you are.  Let's just say you sound pretty Aryan.



Actually, I'm an African-American, one-legged Rastafarian lesbian vegetarian from Morris; Anita Hill's my First Cousin.

I'd be kicking my own behind today for not buying American Airlines at $4.50 per share recently, but I'd fall down doing it.

Back to the ImpACT of the OBAMA World Tour 2008:

Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals, and his European Vacation 2008 was merely a photo-op.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped out.  

NO CAMERAS, NO OBAMA.

Ducked.

Ran away.

Faded.

Retreated.

Vamoosed.

Lite out.

And, free music and free beer will always draw  a big summer crowd, even to listen to an American CANDIDATE that the Germans can't vote for.

Or is he running for U.N. President?



i already showed you this was false. or did you casually skip over that?



The Washington Post?  

I've sooner believe an article in Ebony concerning Obama.

The Post is in the bag for Obama.



OK, now you're just becoming an amusing caricature.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 31, 2008, 09:48:02 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

FB, you used to at least seem somewhat relevant on the forum.  Now you are just a charicature.

Your take on "swartzer" is very glib.

You have said "n****r" in yiddush, not "black person".  You are wrong.

Your characterization of George Kaiser as a "greedy jew" was all any of us needed to know about your leanings.

Go play blind man somewhere else.  

You've worn out your welcome here.





In English, it's spelled Yiddish.

Did I mention I'm not Jewish?





No need to mention that.  We got the picture a long time ago.  If I wouldn't get Godwinned, I'd say what you're rantings indicate you are.  Let's just say you sound pretty Aryan.



Actually, I'm an African-American, one-legged Rastafarian lesbian vegetarian from Morris; Anita Hill's my First Cousin.

I'd be kicking my own behind today for not buying American Airlines at $4.50 per share recently, but I'd fall down doing it.

Back to the ImpACT of the OBAMA World Tour 2008:

Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals, and his European Vacation 2008 was merely a photo-op.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped out.  

NO CAMERAS, NO OBAMA.

Ducked.

Ran away.

Faded.

Retreated.

Vamoosed.

Lite out.

And, free music and free beer will always draw  a big summer crowd, even to listen to an American CANDIDATE that the Germans can't vote for.

Or is he running for U.N. President?



i already showed you this was false. or did you casually skip over that?



The Washington Post?  

I've sooner believe an article in Ebony concerning Obama.

The Post is in the bag for Obama.



OK, now you're just becoming an amusing caricature.



Here's another brainstorm:

Why are white women uneasy about Obama?

I'm getting some feedback while wearing my Tin-Foil Hat, listening late at nite to "Coast to Coast" radio, that middle class white women, whether working or Soccer Moms, have TRUST issues concerning Barack Hussein Obama.

Maybe an outgrowth of the Reverand Jeremiah Wright rants while Obama was a member of that Black Liberation Theology Church for over 20 years?

Maybe?

or, maybe it's something else entirely....?

[:O]

Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: FOTD on July 31, 2008, 10:40:21 AM
No. Women fear.....especially bikers and black men. [;)]
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 31, 2008, 11:10:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

No. Women fear.....especially bikers and black men. [;)]



In a moment of unusual candor, the Rev. Jesse Jackson was quoted to the effect that

"He's walking down a dark, vacant street at night.

He hears heavy footsteps coming up behind him.

He turns around and sees a white man.

And, RELAXES.

REAL honest to G_D truth.
Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: USRufnex on July 31, 2008, 06:46:08 PM
Boy, for someone who rants over and over and over, ad infinitum about "the truth" and the oligarchs... you certainly have ZERO RESPECT for someone who worked for years as a community activist on the southside of Chicago...

You are a BIG FAT HAIRY LIAR who does nothing but engage in the most gross propaganda just to see if any of your XXXX sticks....

You live in an alternative universe of your own choosing...


PLEASE, PLEASE stop spamming this site with your unbelievable tales of oligarchy, tax-vampires, and chamberpots.....

worthy of Alice in Wonderland....

"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"


(http://store02.prostores.com/phantombookshop/images/AlicesFantasyGicleeforpage.JPG)


Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 31, 2008, 06:49:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

Just some responses to some of your points:

Positive 3: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

quote:
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



Positive 4: I've listened to several of his speeches and never got this impression.

Negative 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

quote:
Obama has been described to have "sponsored 131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee (Average) and 2% (2 bills) have been enacted into law (Average, relative to peers).[2] These figures do not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, which were formally sponsored by Senators Coburn and Lugar, respectively.


Negative 2: Seriously? This is a negative? Its a sad day when a person's name is a negative.



You can poll until the cows come home.

The press has been having a Love Fest with candidate Obama from Day 1.



Yeah, forget non-biased, professionally performed research!

Besides, its not like what Obama has been doing for the past couple weeks isn't newsworthy. He is meeting with soldiers, heads-of-state, and hundreds of thousands of European citizens while McCain is giving speeches in front of 20 people in Berlin, Georgia or London, New Hampshire or wherever using the same ole Rovian tactics that got Bush elected. But I digress.



Obama skipped the meeting with WOUNDED soldiers.
The military does not allow CANDIDATES to bring the press to military hospitals.

So, loving the cameras more than he does our country's wounded solders, he just skipped.  Ducked.  Ran away.  Faded.  Retreated.  Vamoosed.

And, free music and free beer will always draw a summer crowd, even to listen to a Schwarzer that they can't vote for.

[;)]




Boy, for someone who rants over and over and over, ad infinitum about "the truth" and the oligarchs... you certainly have ZERO RESPECT for someone who worked for years as a community activist on the southside of Chicago...

You are a BIG FAT HAIRY LIAR who does nothing but engage in the most gross propaganda just to see if any of your XXXX sticks....

You live in an alternative universe of your own choosing...


PLEASE, PLEASE stop spamming this site with your unbelievable tales of oligarchy, tax-vampires, and chamberpots.....

worthy of Alice in Wonderland....

"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"









Community Activist?

I've heard that term's in Obama's biographical resume.

What exactly does a Chicago Community Activist do?

Please tell me.

P.S.  Virtually hairless in the summer.

I get a close-cropped Poodle Cut in the summer, to stay cooler hereabouts.  



Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: USRufnex on July 31, 2008, 06:55:46 PM
What Makes Obama Run?
Lawyer, teacher, philanthropist, and author Barack Obama doesn't need another career. But he's entering politics to get back to his true passion--community organization.

By Hank De Zutter
December 8, 1995

http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/archive/barackobama/

Obama thinks elected officials could do much to overcome the political paralysis of the nation's black communities. He thinks they could lead their communities out of twin culs-de-sac: the unrealistic politics of integrationist assimilation--which helps a few upwardly mobile blacks to "move up, get rich, and move out"--and the equally impractical politics of black rage and black nationalism--which exhorts but does not organize ordinary folks or create realistic agendas for change.

Obama, whose political vision was nurtured by his work in the 80s as an organizer in the far-south-side communities of Roseland and Altgeld Gardens, proposes a third alternative. Not new to Chicago--which is the birthplace of community organizing--but unusual in electoral politics, his proposal calls for organizing ordinary citizens into bottom-up democracies that create their own strategies, programs, and campaigns and that forge alliances with other disaffected Americans. Obama thinks elected officials--even a state senator--can play a critical catalytic role in this rebuilding.

Obama is certainly not the first candidate to talk about the politics of community empowerment. His views, for instance, are not that different from those of the person he would replace, state senator Alice Palmer, who gave Obama her blessing after deciding to run for the congressional seat vacated by Mel Reynolds. She promised Obama that if she lost--which is what happened on November 28--she wouldn't then run against him to keep her senate seat.

What makes Obama different from other progressive politicians is that he doesn't just want to create and support progressive programs; he wants to mobilize the people to create their own. He wants to stand politics on its head, empowering citizens by bringing together the churches and businesses and banks, scornful grandmothers and angry young. Mostly he's running to fill a political and moral vacuum. He says he's tired of seeing the moral fervor of black folks whipped up--at the speaker's rostrum and from the pulpit--and then allowed to dissipate because there's no agenda, no concrete program for change.


Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: USRufnex on July 31, 2008, 07:09:41 PM
Quotes from Obama, circa 1995:

"What if a politician were to see his job as that of an organizer," he wondered, "as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them? As an elected public official, for instance, I could bring church and community leaders together easier than I could as a community organizer or lawyer. We would come together to form concrete economic development strategies, take advantage of existing laws and structures, and create bridges and bonds within all sectors of the community. We must form grass-root structures that would hold me and other elected officials more accountable for their actions.

"The right wing, the Christian right, has done a good job of building these organizations of accountability, much better than the left or progressive forces have. But it's always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia. And they also have hijacked the higher moral ground with this language of family values and moral responsibility.

"Now we have to take this same language--these same values that are encouraged within our families--of looking out for one another, of sharing, of sacrificing for each other--and apply them to a larger society. Let's talk about creating a society, not just individual families, based on these values. Right now we have a society that talks about the irresponsibility of teens getting pregnant, not the irresponsibility of a society that fails to educate them to aspire for more."



Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: Friendly Bear on July 31, 2008, 07:45:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by USRufnex

What Makes Obama Run?
Lawyer, teacher, philanthropist, and author Barack Obama doesn't need another career. But he's entering politics to get back to his true passion--community organization.

By Hank De Zutter
December 8, 1995

http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/archive/barackobama/

Obama thinks elected officials could do much to overcome the political paralysis of the nation's black communities. He thinks they could lead their communities out of twin culs-de-sac: the unrealistic politics of integrationist assimilation--which helps a few upwardly mobile blacks to "move up, get rich, and move out"--and the equally impractical politics of black rage and black nationalism--which exhorts but does not organize ordinary folks or create realistic agendas for change.

Obama, whose political vision was nurtured by his work in the 80s as an organizer in the far-south-side communities of Roseland and Altgeld Gardens, proposes a third alternative. Not new to Chicago--which is the birthplace of community organizing--but unusual in electoral politics, his proposal calls for organizing ordinary citizens into bottom-up democracies that create their own strategies, programs, and campaigns and that forge alliances with other disaffected Americans. Obama thinks elected officials--even a state senator--can play a critical catalytic role in this rebuilding.

Obama is certainly not the first candidate to talk about the politics of community empowerment. His views, for instance, are not that different from those of the person he would replace, state senator Alice Palmer, who gave Obama her blessing after deciding to run for the congressional seat vacated by Mel Reynolds. She promised Obama that if she lost--which is what happened on November 28--she wouldn't then run against him to keep her senate seat.

What makes Obama different from other progressive politicians is that he doesn't just want to create and support progressive programs; he wants to mobilize the people to create their own. He wants to stand politics on its head, empowering citizens by bringing together the churches and businesses and banks, scornful grandmothers and angry young. Mostly he's running to fill a political and moral vacuum. He says he's tired of seeing the moral fervor of black folks whipped up--at the speaker's rostrum and from the pulpit--and then allowed to dissipate because there's no agenda, no concrete program for change.






Former Congressman Mel Reynolds is quite the role model to cite in his biography.

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about him:

"In August 1994, he was indicted for sexual assault and criminal sexual abuse for engaging in a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old campaign volunteer that began during the 1992 campaign. Despite the charges, he continued his campaign and was re-elected that November; he had no opposition.

Reynolds initially denied the charges, which he claimed were racially motivated. On August 22, 1995 he was convicted on 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography. He resigned his seat on October 1 of that year.

Reynolds was sentenced to five years in prison and expected to be released in 1998. However, in April 1997 he was convicted on 15 unrelated counts of bank fraud and lying to SEC investigators.

These charges resulted in an additional sentence of 78 months in federal prison. Reynolds served all of his first sentence, and served 42 months in prison for the later charges.

At that point, President Bill Clinton commuted the sentence for bank fraud. However, Reynolds had never applied for presidential clemency, which is the first step to be considered for a presidential pardon. As a result, Reynolds was released from prison and served the remaining time in a halfway house."

Notice that President Wm. Clinton, a man who deeply understood the foundation of ZIPPER CONTROL problems, commuted Mr. Reynolds sentence.

It kind of sounds like a Community Activist basically registers voters, and helps get out their vote during elections, uses them in political campaigns, offering to arrange transportation on election day to the polls, and helping them fill out the ballot choices of the Chicago Political Machine, especially if they don't read/write English well.

Ebonics ballots available, too?

These underachiever's limitations are due to  solely to attendance at failing inner-city government schools, high drop out rates, 50% of their children born to unwed mothers, high crime rates, high drug usage, and other social ills.

All due to Whitey, according to Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Mr. Obama's "spiritual mentor".

Wright?  Right.




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Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: USRufnex on July 31, 2008, 08:39:17 PM
More cherry pickin' from the bear....

(http://www.goodiesfirst.com/images/2008/05/06/roland_cherries.jpg)

Obama is MORE OF A TRUE AMERICAN than you will ever be, FB...

I LIVED in Chicago... know about Mel Reynolds, Carol Mosely-Braun, Dan Rostenkowski, St. Sabina's catholic church on the southside...

You continue to spam propaganda on this forum...

More from OBAMA circa 1995:

"Any African-Americans who are only talking about racism as a barrier to our success are seriously misled if they don't also come to grips with the larger economic forces that are creating economic insecurity for all workers--whites, Latinos, and Asians. We must deal with the forces that are depressing wages, lopping off people's benefits right and left, and creating an earnings gap between CEOs and the lowest-paid worker that has risen in the last 20 years from a ratio of 10 to 1 to one of better than 100 to 1.

"This doesn't suggest that the need to look inward emphasized by the march isn't important, and that these African-American tribal affinities aren't legitimate. These are mean, cruel times, exemplified by a 'lock 'em up, take no prisoners' mentality that dominates the Republican-led Congress. Historically, African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us, and that white Americans couldn't care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing."

"But cursing out white folks is not going to get the job done. Anti-Semitic and anti-Asian statements are not going to lift us up. We've got some hard nuts-and-bolts organizing and planning to do. We've got communities to build."




Title: Obama: Agent of Change AND Statesman?
Post by: USRufnex on July 31, 2008, 08:59:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear

The Washington Post?  

I've sooner believe an article in Ebony concerning Obama.

The Post is in the bag for Obama.



Yee-hawwwww!!! The Tulsa Beacon rocks, dude!!!  [}:)]

/sarcasm.