I see the arena regularly, and have always thought the metallic exterior looked shabby and unfinished. I kept thinking something would be peeled off, and presto!
Now they have the signs up, etc, it looks like this is it. The glass does look nice, but the rest looks like a weathered old airstream trailer. As I drove by on the inner-dispersal loop today, it hit me. Duct tape. The thing looks like it is covered with duct tape.
I doubt it really matters, but I am kinda shocked at how bad the thing looks, and its brand new. Anyone else feel the same?
Wow, welcome to last month...or, welcome to Sand Springs, take your pick.
I like it, and the majority around here, I think, do too.
not duct tape. a chromed pile of dog ****.
Look out, here comes the wambulance!
Kidding, but seriously: it's a pretty impressive design, and it looks SO much better than plenty of other arenas I've seen. Ever see the Ford Center in OKC? Now that's a turd of an exterior if I've ever seen one. Metallic sure beats crappy yellowish brick. I, for one, love the arena; I just think your opinions are very off-base from what most people hold.
You can't please everyone (especially inteller) and I think stainless was a ballsy choice. If they had built another brick or concrete arena I woulda hurled. You might as well have written "Maytag" and an arrow indicating "this side up" because OKC is getting ready to house an NBA team in a giant refrigerator box.
cs6000, did you maye not look at the concept pictures posted two years ago? It looks identical.
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You can't please everyone (especially inteller) and I think stainless was a ballsy choice. If they had built another brick or concrete arena I woulda hurled. You might as well have written "Maytag" and an arrow indicating "this side up" because OKC is getting ready to house an NBA team in a giant refrigerator box.
From what I've seen, the BOK Center looks great. Tulsa should be very proud of it.
The fact that people feel the need to continue to run down the Ford Center gets a little old though. The Ford Center may not have as many bells and whistles as the BOK center right now, but the Ford Center and OKC have one thing that the BOK and Tulsa aren't even close to having: A city full of citizens that are willing to take a chance and pay to improve their city. I'd rather have a pedestrian looking arena in a forward looking city any day of the week.
Well, the refrigerator box is about to get a huge makeover and expansion.
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Well, the refrigerator box is about to get a huge makeover and expansion.
Question is: would that have happened without the relocation of the Sonics? Probably not.
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Originally posted by okcpulse
Well, the refrigerator box is about to get a huge makeover and expansion.
From what I read of the plans most of the improvements are back-of-house with the only noted visible change being the new main entry area.
1) Inteller, thank you yet again for your meaningful and intelligent commentary. You are very helpful in public discussions. Also, in light of the fact that you hate everything your particular hates are of great importance.
2)
(http://ui11.gamespot.com/1162/bokcenterbothrenditions_2.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3104/2614344478_a169123f47.jpg?v=0)
#1 is a rendering, #2 is a photo of it as it stands. I'd say they are pretty close.
3) I'm pleased that we chose a design instead of just sticking an arena into a box. I understand the utilitarian aspect of arenas such as the FORD Center (which does it's job very well), but am pleased we went a different way. What design alternative would you have proposed?
Concrete tilt-up or brick are the obvious choices, I doubt that would impress many people.
I drove downtown this weekend to attend an event at the Mayo hotel..and I must say that I was impressed by the size and the look of the arena...
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Originally posted by cs6000
I see the arena regularly, and have always thought the metallic exterior looked shabby and unfinished. I kept thinking something would be peeled off, and presto!
Now they have the signs up, etc, it looks like this is it. The glass does look nice, but the rest looks like a weathered old airstream trailer. As I drove by on the inner-dispersal loop today, it hit me. Duct tape. The thing looks like it is covered with duct tape.
I doubt it really matters, but I am kinda shocked at how bad the thing looks, and its brand new. Anyone else feel the same?
See, I wasn't the only one!
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Originally posted by cs6000
I see the arena regularly, and have always thought the metallic exterior looked shabby and unfinished. I kept thinking something would be peeled off, and presto!
Now they have the signs up, etc, it looks like this is it. The glass does look nice, but the rest looks like a weathered old airstream trailer. As I drove by on the inner-dispersal loop today, it hit me. Duct tape. The thing looks like it is covered with duct tape.
I doubt it really matters, but I am kinda shocked at how bad the thing looks, and its brand new. Anyone else feel the same?
See, I wasn't the only one!
OK, so that makes two people in a minority that you can see only under a microscope.
Next.
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2204/plannedthatway2vh8.jpg)
That car must've been lost. The BOK Center is several miles from wal-mart.
The car was trying to find a check cashing place...
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Originally posted by breitee
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Originally posted by cs6000
I see the arena regularly, and have always thought the metallic exterior looked shabby and unfinished. I kept thinking something would be peeled off, and presto!
Now they have the signs up, etc, it looks like this is it. The glass does look nice, but the rest looks like a weathered old airstream trailer. As I drove by on the inner-dispersal loop today, it hit me. Duct tape. The thing looks like it is covered with duct tape.
I doubt it really matters, but I am kinda shocked at how bad the thing looks, and its brand new. Anyone else feel the same?
See, I wasn't the only one!
OK, so that makes two people in a minority that you can see only under a microscope.
Next.
You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.
I like the design. My biggest complaint right now is how dirty it looks close up.
Here is a zoomed in look of a picture I took:
(http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5391/tempji7.jpg)
That section is directly below the "BOK Center" on the front of the arena. There are a lot of brown spots all over the arena. I don't think there was any recent rain when I took this picture, either.
There are a dozen different reasons for that not including normal weathering and construction dirt and machining dust. If you will notice, the side NOT over a pile of dirt looks like this:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3039/2614204916_9c71331c86_b.jpg)
^^^
Everyone with an SS refrigerator, imagine that photo after the first couple of brillo scrubbings to get the tagging off.
If they use steel wool to get tagging off, then they should be made to pay for the damages. With stainless steel you can use chemicals to dissolve the paint and not hurt the steel. Or pressure washers.
For that matter, if you have a SS appliance and use a scratch pad on it... I have to question your intelligence.
Seriously wrinkle, what would you have proposed? Brick is boring. Concrete tilt-ups are ultra cheap and usually look like crap. The only viable alternative would have been some kind of art-deco throwback - which would have been in danger of being cheese. What alternative did you/would you suggest?
I trust you wouldn't want a $150,000,000 new structure to be as innocuous as our convention center.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
If they use steel wool to get tagging off, then they should be made to pay for the damages. With stainless steel you can use chemicals to dissolve the paint and not hurt the steel. Or pressure washers.
For that matter, if you have a SS appliance and use a scratch pad on it... I have to question your intelligence.
Seriously wrinkle, what would you have proposed? Brick is boring. Concrete tilt-ups are ultra cheap and usually look like crap. The only viable alternative would have been some kind of art-deco throwback - which would have been in danger of being cheese. What alternative did you/would you suggest?
I trust you wouldn't want a $150,000,000 new structure to be as innocuous as our convention center.
I love ss. But, bringing it to grade at the service entrance area is asking for it.
Leaving cleanup to PW maintenance department means sandpaper will be tried first before brillo.
Eventually, these lower panels will be painted. I'm betting by the end of year two.
I think it looks stunning, IMHO.
And please excuse the pun, but nice "out of the box" thinking. I apologize if that's been used before.[:D]
I like it! Think it looks great. Ultra modern.
I have also come to the conclusion that I like anything that Inteller dislikes. It's like he's the Bizzaro me! [:D]
Show me a movement that doesn't hate somebody and I will join it at once. – Robert Anton Wilson
Ok, I'm back to clarify my initial remarks some. The routes I take around downtown usually expose me to shots of the north and west sides of the center, which don't offer the most impressive views of the facility. (no slaps at the north or west sides of the city, either, like them both.)
Anyway, I made an effort to really look the baby over this week. All in all, from up close,it is beautiful. I admit it. I'm proud of its appearance.
I stand by the fact that from the NW inner dispesal loop, it does look like duct tape. Those stains around the seems on the north side could still use some type of cleaning, too.
I should have TM'ed the Duct Tape comment, have seen it over at the Tulsa World now.
I always thought stainless steel cinnamon roll. [:D]
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Originally posted by cs6000
Ok, I'm back to clarify my initial remarks some. The routes I take around downtown usually expose me to shots of the north and west sides of the center, which don't offer the most impressive views of the facility. (no slaps at the north or west sides of the city, either, like them both.)
Anyway, I made an effort to really look the baby over this week. All in all, from up close,it is beautiful. I admit it. I'm proud of its appearance.
I stand by the fact that from the NW inner dispesal loop, it does look like duct tape. Those stains around the seems on the north side could still use some type of cleaning, too.
I should have TM'ed the Duct Tape comment, have seen it over at the Tulsa World now.
Nah, it's been used before by a certain Sandite who hates it. Can't understand why; it's already been explained that this person won't be attending.
Somehow I guess this person's opinion won't matter when it comes time to sell the building out.
It does take some getting used to, and I believe once they get all the landscaping completed and clean it up for the grand opening, it will look much better.
Takes a big person to retract a statement like that after looking at the bigger picture. You have my respect, that's for sure.
I was initially against the design. Now that I've seen it inside and out and nearly complete(thanks to TulsaNow tours of the arena and working downtown), I've come to really appreciate it! In fact, it's one of the buildings I look forward to seeing every day. I love the way light and clouds are reflected on the surface...and how it's different every day depending on the weather. I've seen a lot of ugly modern buildings that just look dead. This puppy is beautifully alive.
I'm a huge fan.
(Thought the cinnamon roll comment was pretty funny, though!)
We will probably end up using freaking duct tape on the uglorama by the time it is all said and done. And what is with those ugly streaks coursing down from the windows? Them modurn art??
On the + side, are the openings of the vortex arranged for solstices?
Um, the numerous outsiders (people who don't live in Tulsa) I know actually like the design. They think it is unique (in a VERY GOOD way).
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Um, the numerous outsiders (people who don't live in Tulsa) I know actually like the design. They think it is unique (in a VERY GOOD way).
Miamins liked theirs. (//%22http://flickr.com/photos/bchang/929855927/%22)
would it make you feel better if it looked like expensive duct tape?
My parents were in town for the 4th and we of course went to watch the fireworks display at River Parks, which by the way they need someone else to be in charge of music since it was as usual a horrible selection.
Anyway, as we approached the arena, which they had never seen, both my parents in unison said "Oh my God that thing looks horrible!" Then went on and on about what an eyesore it was and how it didn't fit in with the history of downtown and how it really should have been an Art Deco design.
So not everyone from outside Oklahoma thinks it is beautiful.
Wow. I haven't seen anyone have that reaction. What were they so turned off by? The BOk tower, Williams Tower, Bank of America, OneOK, Federal Building, City Hall (new or old), convention center, 1st Place tower, Petroleum Club, CitiGroup and a ton of other buildings downtown are not Art Deco. Each of those were built in the style in vogue at the time and contribute to a unique downtown.
A nod to Art Deco would have been interesting. Though I question the efficacy of such a move. The Streamline design of the bus station would not scale very well and the more detailed Expo Pavilion would simply be too expensive to accomplish (especially considering the elements would have to run throughout to make the structure work, otherwise think Ford Center with terracotta stuck on the corners). Certainly a structure like that would have been amazing, but the lack of Art Deco does not make it "horrible."
I guess I totally fail to grasp the criticism. basically, it's different so it's bad? Certainly the phrase "eye sore" has not ever come to my mind. The old city hall, the Federal Building, perhaps our monolithic convention center... perhaps. Then again, many people hated the WTC Towers, the Guggenheim, and the Sydney Opera house when they first opened...
I have taken one out-of-state visitor to see the arena and she loved it. Besides, architecture is totally subjective, so who really cares who likes it and dislikes it. It's not like it's going anywhere.
Anyway, I personally think Tulsa should be progressive with its architecture. Why do we have to copy what is here. The fathers of this city didn't try to emulate other cities and other architectural styles. No, they chose the popular style of the day, which was Art Deco. Just my two cents.
The BOk Center is just a prime example of postmodern architecture, for which Cesar Pelli is famous. It can be perceived as en vogue or pretentious, depending on how you look at it. Architecture is really just art applied to functional human spaces, and as the saying goes, one man's art is another man's garbage.
I like the way it looks. My wife hates it. If I remember correctly Pelli said something about it looking like a rose which it kinda does. I know the metalic exterior is blinding when the sun reflects off it just right. Driving into and inside the Convention Center parking garage going to Talons games between 6 and 6:30pm is fun.
"Come, come, Mr. Scott. Young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerant!"
James T. Kirk's response to Engineer Scott's negative comment about the new U.S.S. Excelsior when first seen by the Enterprise crew in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984).
Mark it down it will be one of the major design award winners.
I would very much like to know if the uneven look of the steel panels on the arena was planned as such, or if there is a major construction fault.
If the architectual plan was intended to refract light in an aesthetic manner, I can live with the structure.
If there was an engineering or construction problem, the city, BOK, and Tulsa county tax payers should be irrate.
You can clearly see the ribs of the building through the metal panels. I don't remember that in the drawings.
The renderings I saw definitely did not resemble crumpled and straightened aluminum foil. Maybe Pelli is a huge conspiracy nut and figured he'd protect anyone in there with one giant tinfoil cap.
Now this covering would have been appropriate for the arena at TU- Reynolds Wrap...
Check that "beautiful stainless steel" exterior after a few years of Oklahoma weather and gang grafitti tags. Yes, it will look lovely! By the way, the "modern" design was NOT what was presented in the original renderings that were used to con voters into approving Vision 2025. Those drawings showed a brick art deco type building. Just another screw job by our "leaders".
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Originally posted by breitee
Check that "beautiful stainless steel" exterior after a few years of Oklahoma weather and gang grafitti tags. Yes, it will look lovely! By the way, the "modern" design was NOT what was presented in the original renderings that were used to con voters into approving Vision 2025. Those drawings showed a brick art deco type building. Just another screw job by our "leaders".
Nope, because there was never a rendering put forth before the vote. The vote was in 2003, Pelli was chosen in 2004. If you're going spew forth, then research a little. Or is researching more difficult out west?
[xx(]
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by breitee
Check that "beautiful stainless steel" exterior after a few years of Oklahoma weather and gang grafitti tags. Yes, it will look lovely! By the way, the "modern" design was NOT what was presented in the original renderings that were used to con voters into approving Vision 2025. Those drawings showed a brick art deco type building. Just another screw job by our "leaders".
Nope, because there was never a rendering put forth before the vote. The vote was in 2003, Pelli was chosen in 2004. If you're going spew forth, then research a little. Or is researching more difficult out west?
[xx(]
Agreed. As far as I can recall the image was put before us very early. It took no time for Pelli as he just sort of sketched something up on a napkin and that was it. But, lots of buildings have been designed in that fashion.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by breitee
Check that "beautiful stainless steel" exterior after a few years of Oklahoma weather and gang grafitti tags. Yes, it will look lovely! By the way, the "modern" design was NOT what was presented in the original renderings that were used to con voters into approving Vision 2025. Those drawings showed a brick art deco type building. Just another screw job by our "leaders".
Nope, because there was never a rendering put forth before the vote. The vote was in 2003, Pelli was chosen in 2004. If you're going spew forth, then research a little. Or is researching more difficult out west?
[xx(]
There most certainly WAS an artists rendering of the new arena. It was before Pelli was chosen. Check back and you will see.
This is the only other rendering I could find:
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/71conan/TN/newbokcenter.jpg)
(my apologies, someone on here did this originally, I don't remember who to give proper credit)
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Originally posted by breitee
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by breitee
Check that "beautiful stainless steel" exterior after a few years of Oklahoma weather and gang grafitti tags. Yes, it will look lovely! By the way, the "modern" design was NOT what was presented in the original renderings that were used to con voters into approving Vision 2025. Those drawings showed a brick art deco type building. Just another screw job by our "leaders".
Nope, because there was never a rendering put forth before the vote. The vote was in 2003, Pelli was chosen in 2004. If you're going spew forth, then research a little. Or is researching more difficult out west?
[xx(]
There most certainly WAS an artists rendering of the new arena. It was before Pelli was chosen. Check back and you will see.
I have. Link please. Why didn't you link it in your reply? Hmm...
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by breitee
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by breitee
Check that "beautiful stainless steel" exterior after a few years of Oklahoma weather and gang grafitti tags. Yes, it will look lovely! By the way, the "modern" design was NOT what was presented in the original renderings that were used to con voters into approving Vision 2025. Those drawings showed a brick art deco type building. Just another screw job by our "leaders".
Nope, because there was never a rendering put forth before the vote. The vote was in 2003, Pelli was chosen in 2004. If you're going spew forth, then research a little. Or is researching more difficult out west?
[xx(]
There most certainly WAS an artists rendering of the new arena. It was before Pelli was chosen. Check back and you will see.
I have. Link please. Why didn't you link it in your reply? Hmm...
There are no active links with that rendering but I'll bet somebody has a hard copy of the original proposal that they could scan.
Hoss, why are you so hostile toward somebody with a different opinion than your own?
Nothing personal. Everyone had an opinion and I respect yours as you should mine.
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Originally posted by breitee
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by breitee
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by breitee
Check that "beautiful stainless steel" exterior after a few years of Oklahoma weather and gang grafitti tags. Yes, it will look lovely! By the way, the "modern" design was NOT what was presented in the original renderings that were used to con voters into approving Vision 2025. Those drawings showed a brick art deco type building. Just another screw job by our "leaders".
Nope, because there was never a rendering put forth before the vote. The vote was in 2003, Pelli was chosen in 2004. If you're going spew forth, then research a little. Or is researching more difficult out west?
[xx(]
There most certainly WAS an artists rendering of the new arena. It was before Pelli was chosen. Check back and you will see.
I have. Link please. Why didn't you link it in your reply? Hmm...
There are no active links with that rendering but I'll bet somebody has a hard copy of the original proposal that they could scan.
Hoss, why are you so hostile toward somebody with a different opinion than your own?
Nothing personal. Everyone had an opinion and I respect yours as you should mine.
Nothing personal either. I just dislike people who argue for the sake of arguing and then can't back anything up with fact. FB should be the only one cornering that market. [:O]
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Originally posted by breitee
There are no active links with that rendering but I'll bet somebody has a hard copy of the original proposal that they could scan.
Hoss, why are you so hostile toward somebody with a different opinion than your own?
Nothing personal. Everyone had an opinion and I respect yours as you should mine.
Breitee, there aren't any active links because a rendering never existed. The County sent out RFPs after V2025 was passed and accepted design proposals from multiple firms. A committee then narrowed it down and the selection committee chose Cesar Pelli. That is when the first images of the design appeared. No sooner.
Hoss wasn't hostile toward you in any way. His wasn't opinion, either. He was correcting a mis-statement made by you. Opinions are opinions and should be regarded as such, but facts are facts. Renderings and models were displayed after Pelli was chosen. You may remember them looking like this:
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/shake2005/pelli_arena.jpg)
(http://tulsaarena.info/files/homeimage.gif) (http://tulsaarena.info/images/arenaschematic/large.gif) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9d/Tulsa_Arena.jpg/180px-Tulsa_Arena.jpg)
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The responses to the program manager and architectural/engineering requests were due Monday by 5 p.m. The committee will narrow the consulting firms to a maximum of five and conduct interviews in early December, and plan to make the final selection of a program manager by mid-December and an architectural consultant by mid- to late-January.
Mayor LaFortune also has finalized his selection of the Events Center Design Committee. They are Karen Keith, Mayor's office; Joan Seay, TulsaNow; Wayman Tisdale, Tisway Productions; Suzann Stewart, Tulsa Metro Chamber Convention and Visitor's Bureau; John Scott, Performing Arts Center & Maxwell Convention Center; Linda Frazier, Tulsa Arts Commission; Tulsa City Councilor Tom Baker; Ken Busby, Arts & Humanities Council; and Councilor Art Justis.
Tulsa County will sell bonds to be repaid by the sales tax revenues. The City will identify the financial need for engineering and design, and receive revenue from the County bonds to pay contractor invoices. The Tulsa City Council will appropriate the funds to the administration to enter contracts for design and construction.
Design committees for the various projects will share ideas for design with the City of Tulsa Project Oversight Committee. All final project plans approved by the Oversight Committee are also subject to Mayor LaFortune's approval.
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http://www.cityoftulsa.org/News/Archives/ArenaSelection.asp
VISION 2025 ARENA AND CONVENTION CENTER OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE SELECTS ARCHITECTS & ENGINEERS
The Vision 2025 Arena and Convention Center Oversight Committee has recommended to Mayor Bill LaFortune a local consortium headed by Matrix Architects for the design and overview of the construction of the new arena and renewal of the existing convention center. A Qualification Basis (QBS) procedure was used to bring an original submittal of 12 firms, which was narrowed to the final four – all of whom were interviewed over two days.
The Vision 2025 Arena and Convention Center Oversight Committee has recommended to Mayor Bill LaFortune a local consortium headed by Matrix Architects for the design and overview of the construction of the new arena and renewal of the existing convention center. A Qualification Basis (QBS) procedure was used to bring an original submittal of 12 firms, which was narrowed to the final four – all of whom were interviewed over two days.
A press conference with Mayor LaFortune, Vision Builders, the oversight committee members and the arena and design committee members, will be held at 11 a.m. Wednesday, east of the Maxwell Convention Center (between City Hall and the Convention Center) on the Plaza, weather permitting. (The conference will be moved inside the convention center if weather is unpleasant).
Joining Matrix were the other local firms of Wallace Engineering, Consynsus headed by Kathleen Page of the American Institute of Architects, Seismore, Weisz & Associates and Eslick Design. Odell Associates, a nationally significant design firm specializing in arenas and convention centers has agreed to join Matrix by opening a local office at 215 S. Denver. This combined office will function as an information office that will feature exhibits and work in progress.
Cesar Pelli, FAIA, one of the world's most honored architects, is the team's lead designer. Pelli, who is winner of the American Institute of Architects Gold Medal, the highest honor of all AIA awards. Pelli designed the world's tallest buildings, the twin tower/multi-use complex which includes a large convention center at Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
"This combination, creating local jobs with world class design fulfills my continued commitment to the goals of Vision 2025, " said Mayor LaFortune.
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Question:
Who selected the architect to design the arena and why did we not use a Tulsa firm?
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There was an extensive qualification process to select the best architectural team to design the new arena and upgrade the convention center. That process included review of written proposals submitted and interviews with the short-listed firms. A design committee and an oversight committee combined to form the interview committee in making the selection and, in total, consisted of over twenty (20) well-respected local leaders including elected officials, their representatives, and private sector leaders of specific expertise.
After much consideration, a shortlist of four firms was created. All four of those presented for the interview committee's consideration hybrid cooperative efforts inclusive of both local and out-of-state specialty or "star" designer components. After an extensive review, proposal analysis, and unscripted live interview before the committee, the Matrix / Cesar Pelli / Odell team was selected by the Mayor.
The team is led by Matrix Architects Engineers Planners, Inc., a Tulsa architecture firm established in 1984. They will be serving as Architect-of-Record, Project Management and Construction Administration. Also significant on the team are the firms, Cesar Pelli and Associates of New Haven, Connecticut as the Design Architect, and Odell Associates of Charlotte, North Carolina as the Arena Specialist. In addition, other Tulsa firms included on the team are Wallace Engineering, Consynsus, Sisemore, Weisz & Associates and Eslick Design.
From the July 31, 2003,
Tulsa World (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=030731_To_a1_visio%22) (emphasis added):
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If Tulsa doesn't build an events arena, another city in the region will, Vision 2025 supporters say, leaving area residents to continue going elsewhere for major concerts, gatherings and sporting events like the NCAA basketball tournament.
Proponents of the proposed $885 million incentives and improvements plan on Wednesday unveiled facts, figures and conceptual renderings for renovations to the current convention center and construction of a new 18,000-seat arena.
On Sept. 9, Tulsa County voters will consider a 1-cent county sales tax for 13 years to fund all or portions of the four-part Vision 2025 plan.
The convention center upgrades and arena carry a total price tag of $183 million. Proponents said the two facilities are crucial not only to boost sales tax revenues by bringing in visitors but to the revitalization of Tulsa's downtown as well.
The facilities would be linked by location and architecture and would create a needed downtown "synergy."
The PDF version of the story (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2003/Final/A_7_7_31_2003.pdf%22) shows a conceptual rendering of the "events center." A bigger version, showing what look to be art deco details, appeared on the front page of the August 3, 2003, opinion section (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2003/Final/g_1_8_3_2003.PDF%22).
I don't wanna be a smartass, but it really doesn't make sense for there to have been an artist's rendering before Pelli was chosen. Unless the artist was psychic.
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From the July 31, 2003, Tulsa World (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=030731_To_a1_visio%22) (emphasis added):
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If Tulsa doesn't build an events arena, another city in the region will, Vision 2025 supporters say, leaving area residents to continue going elsewhere for major concerts, gatherings and sporting events like the NCAA basketball tournament.
Proponents of the proposed $885 million incentives and improvements plan on Wednesday unveiled facts, figures and conceptual renderings for renovations to the current convention center and construction of a new 18,000-seat arena.
On Sept. 9, Tulsa County voters will consider a 1-cent county sales tax for 13 years to fund all or portions of the four-part Vision 2025 plan.
The convention center upgrades and arena carry a total price tag of $183 million. Proponents said the two facilities are crucial not only to boost sales tax revenues by bringing in visitors but to the revitalization of Tulsa's downtown as well.
The facilities would be linked by location and architecture and would create a needed downtown "synergy."
The PDF version of the story (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2003/Final/A_7_7_31_2003.pdf%22) shows a conceptual rendering of the "events center." A bigger version, showing what look to be art deco details, appeared on the front page of the August 3, 2003, opinion section (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2003/Final/g_1_8_3_2003.PDF%22).
Yes, but the fact remains is that this was conceptual and was done EVEN BEFORE THE VISION2025 VOTE PASSED. That's why it's called 'Opinion'
(http://members.cox.net/jiminy64/proposed.jpg)
Oh yeah, how could we forget.
Anyway, I sort of agree about the siding. I hope there is some process that it still has to go through, because this sort of looks like something somebody could be sued over:
(http://members.cox.net/jiminy64/bok.jpg)
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
From the July 31, 2003, Tulsa World (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=030731_To_a1_visio%22) (emphasis added):
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If Tulsa doesn't build an events arena, another city in the region will, Vision 2025 supporters say, leaving area residents to continue going elsewhere for major concerts, gatherings and sporting events like the NCAA basketball tournament.
Proponents of the proposed $885 million incentives and improvements plan on Wednesday unveiled facts, figures and conceptual renderings for renovations to the current convention center and construction of a new 18,000-seat arena.
On Sept. 9, Tulsa County voters will consider a 1-cent county sales tax for 13 years to fund all or portions of the four-part Vision 2025 plan.
The convention center upgrades and arena carry a total price tag of $183 million. Proponents said the two facilities are crucial not only to boost sales tax revenues by bringing in visitors but to the revitalization of Tulsa's downtown as well.
The facilities would be linked by location and architecture and would create a needed downtown "synergy."
The PDF version of the story (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2003/Final/A_7_7_31_2003.pdf%22) shows a conceptual rendering of the "events center." A bigger version, showing what look to be art deco details, appeared on the front page of the August 3, 2003, opinion section (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2003/Final/g_1_8_3_2003.PDF%22).
Yes, but the fact remains is that this was conceptual and was done EVEN BEFORE THE VISION2025 VOTE PASSED. That's why it's called 'Opinion'
Reread the quote. The conceptual image was produced by the proponents of the Vision 2025 -- i.e., the vote yes campaign -- not by the Tulsa World editorial board.
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
From the July 31, 2003, Tulsa World (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=030731_To_a1_visio%22) (emphasis added):
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If Tulsa doesn't build an events arena, another city in the region will, Vision 2025 supporters say, leaving area residents to continue going elsewhere for major concerts, gatherings and sporting events like the NCAA basketball tournament.
Proponents of the proposed $885 million incentives and improvements plan on Wednesday unveiled facts, figures and conceptual renderings for renovations to the current convention center and construction of a new 18,000-seat arena.
On Sept. 9, Tulsa County voters will consider a 1-cent county sales tax for 13 years to fund all or portions of the four-part Vision 2025 plan.
The convention center upgrades and arena carry a total price tag of $183 million. Proponents said the two facilities are crucial not only to boost sales tax revenues by bringing in visitors but to the revitalization of Tulsa's downtown as well.
The facilities would be linked by location and architecture and would create a needed downtown "synergy."
The PDF version of the story (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2003/Final/A_7_7_31_2003.pdf%22) shows a conceptual rendering of the "events center." A bigger version, showing what look to be art deco details, appeared on the front page of the August 3, 2003, opinion section (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2003/Final/g_1_8_3_2003.PDF%22).
Yes, but the fact remains is that this was conceptual and was done EVEN BEFORE THE VISION2025 VOTE PASSED. That's why it's called 'Opinion'
Reread the quote. The conceptual image was produced by the proponents of the Vision 2025 -- i.e., the vote yes campaign -- not by the Tulsa World editorial board.
Which is still a 'not take it to the bank' rendering. People around here are acting like we knew what we were going to build before we had the funding mechanism in place.
Oh, but I forget I'm talking to one of the biggest opponents of the package.
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