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Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: iplaw on June 04, 2008, 03:15:25 PM
http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8430357

Warnings of a possible tornado outbreak from Oklahoma to Iowa are in the forecast for Thursday.

The News On 6 WARN team says conditions are similar to a deadly day in 1974 when 39 tornadoes touched down across the Great Plains.


This crap is getting out of hand, it's not enough for them to hijack television stations all night long, now we have to have the stormgasm "pregame show"...they can't even reliably predict the weather 30 minutes in advance with storms already on the radar.  How can they even begin to make predictions like these.  Seems a bit overreaching to me?

Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: Breadburner on June 04, 2008, 03:22:44 PM
They are completely out of control.....Travis Meyer needs his a$$ kicked up around his ears....
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: weatherwise on June 04, 2008, 05:41:33 PM
I work in the industry and I even think that this is absolutely absurd.  

I am told by one of their chasers that they are required to make storms sound more dangerous then what is actually seen.  The only way to stop this is for the public to respond!  

How do you respond?  Don't watch....simple.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: Conan71 on June 04, 2008, 08:41:06 PM
"Pre-game show"  classic IP'ism. I gotta remember that one.

I guess the idea is to get us to camp out around our TV's tomorrow night.  Too bad for them this didn't happen during sweeps week. [xx(]
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: mrhaskellok on June 04, 2008, 08:59:17 PM
I can see I am going to have the unpopular position.  Not having a TV though makes me "special" already.  My vote, there is nothing on TV worth watching anymore anyway so too bad if you are chained to your chair and force fed the weather coverage.   Turn it off and pick up a book.  

Have a good day.  [:D]
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: Hoss on June 04, 2008, 11:30:53 PM
Really has nothing to do with Newon6; the Norman WFO indicated the same thing last Friday, so I bet the 6 team picked that up.

000
FXUS64 KOUN 301556
AFDOUN

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
1056 AM CDT FRI MAY 30 2008

.DISCUSSION...JUST SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE GRIDS IN THE FIRST
PD. LOW LVL FLOW VEERING A BIT TODAY ALONG WITH FULL SUN SHOULD
ALLOW TEMPS TO WARMUP SEVERAL DEGREES OVER YESTERDAY. WILL BUMP UP
MAXES A BIT CNTRL AND NORTH BUT TEMPS ELSEWHERE LOOK OK. WILL ALSO
ADJUST WINDS A BIT. STILL LOOKS LIKE MAIN THREAT OF TSTMS WILL
REMAIN IN NRN OK THIS EVENING.


&&

.PREV DISCUSSION... /ISSUED 402 AM CDT FRI MAY 30 2008/

DISCUSSION...
AREA WILL BE UNDER S EDGE OF THE WESTERLIES THROUGH EARLY NEXT
WEEK. FLOW ALOFT INITIALLY WILL REMAIN ZONAL WITH STRONGEST
WESTERLIES FROM THE DESERT SW E/ENE INTO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES
REGION. BROAD LOW-AMPLITUDE RIDGING DEVELOPS BY SAT OVER THE
ROCKIES THEN WORKS E INTO THE PLAINS SUN-MON AND THE MS VALLEY
REGION TUE. SFC FRONT CURRENTLY FROM SE NEB INTO SW KS IS PROGGED
TO SAG SE AND STALL ACROSS NW OK TODAY/TONIGHT WHILE CONTINUING
SE INTO OR VERY NEAR NCENTRAL/NE OK TONIGHT-SAT... QUITE POSSIBLY
AIDED BY EFFECTS OF CONVECTION. PROGGED CINH SUGGESTS LIMITED
CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR MOST OF THE DAY... BUT SOMEWHAT BETTER
CHANCES OF STORMS GETTING INTO AT LEAST NCENTRAL OK TONIGHT BEFORE
WEAKENING LATE. MID-LEVEL WINDS AND EFFECTIVE DEEP-LAYER SHEAR SHOULD
BE STRONG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT SEVERE POTENTIAL ACROSS N OK. SIMILAR
SETUP SAT INTO SAT NIGHT WITH SLIGHTLY BETTER CHANCES OF STORM
INITIATION NEAR SFC BOUNDARY ACROSS N OK SAT AFTERNOON. RIDGING
ALOFT AND WEAKENING FRONTAL ZONE BY EARLY NEXT WEEK EXPECTED TO
REDUCE THE CHANCES OF STORMS BY SUN-MON.

LATTER HALF OF THE 7-DAY FORECAST LOOKING INTERESTING - AND
POTENTIALLY OMINOUS. CURRENT MEDIUM-RANGE MODELS INDICATE LARGE-
SCALE TROFING INTO THE W OR CENTRAL STATES BY MIDWEEK. GFS AND
ECMWF DEPICT UNSEASONABLY STRONG AMPLIFICATION OF A TROF OVER THE
ROCKIES... FOLLOWED BY PROGRESSION INTO THE PLAINS AROUND THU. THIS
SOLUTION HAS SUPPORT FROM THE GFS ENSEMBLE MEAN BUT WOULD BE
ATYPICAL FOR EARLY JUNE - ALTHOUGH NOT UNHEARD OF. JUNE 8 1974
COMES TO MIND.
THERE CURRENTLY ARE ENOUGH DIFFERENCES IN MODEL
DETAILS... AND QUESTIONS REGARDING MODEL RUN-TO-RUN CONSISTENCY AS
WELL AS THE DEPARTURE FROM SYNOPTIC CLIMATOLOGY... TO HOLD OFF ON
BUYING INTO THE AMPLIFIED SOLUTIONS OFFERED BY THE GFS/ECMWF. ON
THIS BASIS WE WILL STAY CLOSE TO THE GFS-MOS ON THIS FORECAST. BUT
SHOULD THE HIGH-AMPLITUDE SOLUTIONS PLAY OUT... THIS ALREADY-
ACTIVE SEVERE WEATHER SEASON WILL BE FAR FROM BEING OVER. IN
FACT... THE WORST MAY BE YET TO COME MID-LATE NEXT WEEK. 24

&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
OKLAHOMA CITY OK  92  68  92  67 /   0  10  20  20
HOBART OK         97  69  98  67 /   0  10  10  10
WICHITA FALLS TX  96  71  98  70 /   0  10  10  10
GAGE OK           95  61  88  66 /  10  10  10  10
PONCA CITY OK     91  69  86  65 /  10  30  20  20
DURANT OK         89  67  91  69 /   0  10  10  10

&&

.OUN WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
OK...NONE.
TX...NONE.
&&

$$

99/02




Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: we vs us on June 05, 2008, 09:00:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mrhaskellok

. . . there is nothing on TV worth watching anymore anyway -- except for So You Think You Can Dance.


Fixed that for you.  

(Anyone else have a hard time pulling themselves away from that damnable show?)
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: Ibanez on June 05, 2008, 09:33:46 AM
Has the world ended yet? I went down into the storm cellar last night just after Travis told me there was a giant tornado the size of Jupiter headed for the Great Plains today.

Decided it was better safe than sorry so I gathered up one 45 caliber automatic, two boxes of ammunition, four days concentrated emergency rations, one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills, one miniature combination Rooshan phrase book and Bible, one hundred dollars in rubles, one hundred dollars in gold, nine packs of chewing gum, one issue of prophylactics, three lipsticks, three pair of nylon stockings -- shoot, a fellah could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff....
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 05, 2008, 09:41:55 AM
+1, I like the Dance Show.

I'm shame full.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: iplaw on June 05, 2008, 09:48:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

Really has nothing to do with Newon6; the Norman WFO indicated the same thing last Friday, so I bet the 6 team picked that up.

000
FXUS64 KOUN 301556
AFDOUN

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
1056 AM CDT FRI MAY 30 2008

.DISCUSSION...JUST SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE GRIDS IN THE FIRST
PD. LOW LVL FLOW VEERING A BIT TODAY ALONG WITH FULL SUN SHOULD
ALLOW TEMPS TO WARMUP SEVERAL DEGREES OVER YESTERDAY. WILL BUMP UP
MAXES A BIT CNTRL AND NORTH BUT TEMPS ELSEWHERE LOOK OK. WILL ALSO
ADJUST WINDS A BIT. STILL LOOKS LIKE MAIN THREAT OF TSTMS WILL
REMAIN IN NRN OK THIS EVENING.


&&

.PREV DISCUSSION... /ISSUED 402 AM CDT FRI MAY 30 2008/

DISCUSSION...
AREA WILL BE UNDER S EDGE OF THE WESTERLIES THROUGH EARLY NEXT
WEEK. FLOW ALOFT INITIALLY WILL REMAIN ZONAL WITH STRONGEST
WESTERLIES FROM THE DESERT SW E/ENE INTO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES
REGION. BROAD LOW-AMPLITUDE RIDGING DEVELOPS BY SAT OVER THE
ROCKIES THEN WORKS E INTO THE PLAINS SUN-MON AND THE MS VALLEY
REGION TUE. SFC FRONT CURRENTLY FROM SE NEB INTO SW KS IS PROGGED
TO SAG SE AND STALL ACROSS NW OK TODAY/TONIGHT WHILE CONTINUING
SE INTO OR VERY NEAR NCENTRAL/NE OK TONIGHT-SAT... QUITE POSSIBLY
AIDED BY EFFECTS OF CONVECTION. PROGGED CINH SUGGESTS LIMITED
CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR MOST OF THE DAY... BUT SOMEWHAT BETTER
CHANCES OF STORMS GETTING INTO AT LEAST NCENTRAL OK TONIGHT BEFORE
WEAKENING LATE. MID-LEVEL WINDS AND EFFECTIVE DEEP-LAYER SHEAR SHOULD
BE STRONG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT SEVERE POTENTIAL ACROSS N OK. SIMILAR
SETUP SAT INTO SAT NIGHT WITH SLIGHTLY BETTER CHANCES OF STORM
INITIATION NEAR SFC BOUNDARY ACROSS N OK SAT AFTERNOON. RIDGING
ALOFT AND WEAKENING FRONTAL ZONE BY EARLY NEXT WEEK EXPECTED TO
REDUCE THE CHANCES OF STORMS BY SUN-MON.

LATTER HALF OF THE 7-DAY FORECAST LOOKING INTERESTING - AND
POTENTIALLY OMINOUS. CURRENT MEDIUM-RANGE MODELS INDICATE LARGE-
SCALE TROFING INTO THE W OR CENTRAL STATES BY MIDWEEK. GFS AND
ECMWF DEPICT UNSEASONABLY STRONG AMPLIFICATION OF A TROF OVER THE
ROCKIES... FOLLOWED BY PROGRESSION INTO THE PLAINS AROUND THU. THIS
SOLUTION HAS SUPPORT FROM THE GFS ENSEMBLE MEAN BUT WOULD BE
ATYPICAL FOR EARLY JUNE - ALTHOUGH NOT UNHEARD OF. JUNE 8 1974
COMES TO MIND.
THERE CURRENTLY ARE ENOUGH DIFFERENCES IN MODEL
DETAILS... AND QUESTIONS REGARDING MODEL RUN-TO-RUN CONSISTENCY AS
WELL AS THE DEPARTURE FROM SYNOPTIC CLIMATOLOGY... TO HOLD OFF ON
BUYING INTO THE AMPLIFIED SOLUTIONS OFFERED BY THE GFS/ECMWF. ON
THIS BASIS WE WILL STAY CLOSE TO THE GFS-MOS ON THIS FORECAST. BUT
SHOULD THE HIGH-AMPLITUDE SOLUTIONS PLAY OUT... THIS ALREADY-
ACTIVE SEVERE WEATHER SEASON WILL BE FAR FROM BEING OVER. IN
FACT... THE WORST MAY BE YET TO COME MID-LATE NEXT WEEK. 24

&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
OKLAHOMA CITY OK  92  68  92  67 /   0  10  20  20
HOBART OK         97  69  98  67 /   0  10  10  10
WICHITA FALLS TX  96  71  98  70 /   0  10  10  10
GAGE OK           95  61  88  66 /  10  10  10  10
PONCA CITY OK     91  69  86  65 /  10  30  20  20
DURANT OK         89  67  91  69 /   0  10  10  10

&&

.OUN WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
OK...NONE.
TX...NONE.
&&

$$

99/02






Nothing to do with KOTV other than the gigantic weather boner caused by reading that report.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: PonderInc on June 05, 2008, 10:11:51 AM
I typcially don't watch TV or TV News...as life is too short.  Just heard that the average American spends 32 hours a week in front of the tube.  Can't quite imagine that...I don't even have time to watch the Netflix movies I get (the latest one has been sitting by the TV for about 3 weeks now).  I guess about 4 1/2 hours of TV a day explains the lack of civic engagement; why people don't know their neighbors; and the obesity epidemic...among other things. (Now, if I could just pull myself away from this damn forum![;)])

As for TV weather...the hysteria really wears me out.  They seem to get off on scaring people to death.  "Chance-of-tornado orgasm coming up at 5!"

If the sirens are going off, I turn on the TV to see if "Death Viper 12" says they're headed for my house.  But that's about it.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: breitee on June 05, 2008, 12:20:15 PM
They are all a**holes!
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: nathanm on June 05, 2008, 01:12:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw
This crap is getting out of hand, it's not enough for them to hijack television stations all night long, now we have to have the stormgasm "pregame show"...they can't even reliably predict the weather 30 minutes in advance with storms already on the radar.  How can they even begin to make predictions like these.  Seems a bit overreaching to me?


They probably do better than you do at the forecasting. [xx(]

Besides, the setup is pretty ominous today. Of course, many times literally nothing comes of it, but we'll see over the next few hours. Certainly it'll be a fun time up in Nebraska and Iowa.

You act like it's a bad thing to get people to keep an eye turned toward the sky (or an ear to the tv, radio, or whatever) on a day when a particularly bad severe weather outbreak is likely. The Tulsa WFO's discussion is sounding pretty ominous, too.

Of course, if it turns out nothing happens today, you'll be yelling about how stupid the weather forecasters are, even though they're usually pretty accurate. I suppose we should go back to the days before modern forecasting and just let the plebes die. Who needs all these fancy tornado sirens and what have you.

I wanna die watching my TV shows damn you!
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: bokworker on June 05, 2008, 01:20:50 PM
Might be a tough call with the NBA finals starting tonight.... reckon a weatherman is going to put his job on the line if we have tornados in the area? ABC is channel 6 right?

yeah, Travis will do it....
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: iplaw on June 05, 2008, 01:46:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nathanm

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw
This crap is getting out of hand, it's not enough for them to hijack television stations all night long, now we have to have the stormgasm "pregame show"...they can't even reliably predict the weather 30 minutes in advance with storms already on the radar.  How can they even begin to make predictions like these.  Seems a bit overreaching to me?


They probably do better than you do at the forecasting. [xx(]

Besides, the setup is pretty ominous today. Of course, many times literally nothing comes of it, but we'll see over the next few hours. Certainly it'll be a fun time up in Nebraska and Iowa.

You act like it's a bad thing to get people to keep an eye turned toward the sky (or an ear to the tv, radio, or whatever) on a day when a particularly bad severe weather outbreak is likely. The Tulsa WFO's discussion is sounding pretty ominous, too.

Of course, if it turns out nothing happens today, you'll be yelling about how stupid the weather forecasters are, even though they're usually pretty accurate. I suppose we should go back to the days before modern forecasting and just let the plebes die. Who needs all these fancy tornado sirens and what have you.

I wanna die watching my TV shows damn you!

Your points have been addressed ad nauseam. There is no need for wall-to-wall weather coverage on four networks for the entire night. They all have the same "forecast of doom" machines cranking out the same information.  

The FCC should allow only ONE station a night the ability to have a continuous broadcast of weather information unless that station loses power.  There is NO need to have 4 stations simultaneously covering the same weather events all night long.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: nathanm on June 05, 2008, 03:34:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw


The FCC should allow only ONE station a night the ability to have a continuous broadcast of weather information unless that station loses power.  There is NO need to have 4 stations simultaneously covering the same weather events all night long.


You do realize that not everyone can receive every station clearly, right? I can't get KJRH for the life of me.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: iplaw on June 05, 2008, 03:38:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nathanm

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw


The FCC should allow only ONE station a night the ability to have a continuous broadcast of weather information unless that station loses power.  There is NO need to have 4 stations simultaneously covering the same weather events all night long.


You do realize that not everyone can receive every station clearly, right? I can't get KJRH for the life of me.

Well, for the 5 of you that don't have cable or satellite TV we'll buy you one of those nifty weather alert radios.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: nathanm on June 05, 2008, 03:59:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

Well, for the 5 of you that don't have cable or satellite TV we'll buy you one of those nifty weather alert radios.


I have cable, but perhaps it's not the brightest thing in the world to rely on it or satellite in the event of severe weather.

When there are tornado warnings out anywhere in the station's viewing area, I have no problem with them breaking into programming. Same if there are severe thunderstorm warnings for storms that the NWS would characterize as "significant severe." I agree that sometimes the local stations go overboard, but those situations are not it.

I just wish that they could a) record the shows in HD for later playback, instead of just SD and b) propagate guide data updates so that DVR users can easily find the later airing of the show.

Maybe I'm weird, being more concerned with other people's life and property than my television viewing.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: iplaw on June 05, 2008, 04:07:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nathanm
I have cable, but perhaps it's not the brightest thing in the world to rely on it or satellite in the event of severe weather.

So what are you worried about then?  If you don't need to rely on them, then why the concern if they don't all broadcast.  Another alternative would be to have one station you could turn to to get weather info like the CW.  I mean, who the hell watches the crap they put on that station anyways?

quote:

When there are tornado warnings out anywhere in the station's viewing area, I have no problem with them breaking into programming. Same if there are severe thunderstorm warnings for storms that the NWS would characterize as "significant severe." I agree that sometimes the local stations go overboard, but those situations are not it.
Which is why they have crawlers and maps.  There isn't any more information to be had by looking at George Flickinger's butt chin delivering the message as opposed to text crawling the bottom of the screen.

Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: nathanm on June 05, 2008, 04:30:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

So what are you worried about then?  If you don't need to rely on them, then why the concern if they don't all broadcast.  Another alternative would be to have one station you could turn to to get weather info like the CW.  I mean, who the hell watches the crap they put on that station anyways?


I would need to rely on them if my cable went out because of a wind storm (or ice storm). As I would if I had satellite and a thunderstorm faded the signal to uselessness, which happened to me on many occasions when I did have satellite.

quote:

Which is why they have crawlers and maps.  There isn't any more information to be had by looking at George Flickinger's butt chin delivering the message as opposed to text crawling the bottom of the screen.


Personally, I find the radar images to be quite useful. Crawls are fine for barely severe thunderstorms.

Besides, some people need the extra reinforcement "take shelter now if you live in foo, and the blind can't exactly be expected to read the crawl.

People's lives are more important than some TV show. Get over it. (or watch it online)
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: CoffeeBean on June 05, 2008, 05:48:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nathanm

Quote. . . and the blind can't exactly be expected to read the crawl.

Do we really expect to alert blind people about storms via the television?  I have no point of reference, and admit that I speak from a position of ignoraqnce, but I cannot imagine that blind people are big t.v. watchers.  

In any event, the crawl is accompanied by a ping, so it's a moot point.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: mrhaskellok on June 05, 2008, 06:10:59 PM
The FCC should regulate which stations give weather coverage....are you kidding me?   You bunch of commies.  Jeez.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: azbadpuppy on June 05, 2008, 06:31:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8430357

Warnings of a possible tornado outbreak from Oklahoma to Iowa are in the forecast for Thursday.

The News On 6 WARN team says conditions are similar to a deadly day in 1974 when 39 tornadoes touched down across the Great Plains.


This crap is getting out of hand, it's not enough for them to hijack television stations all night long, now we have to have the stormgasm "pregame show"...they can't even reliably predict the weather 30 minutes in advance with storms already on the radar.  How can they even begin to make predictions like these.  Seems a bit overreaching to me?





I remember that day in 1974. The combination of 3 tornadoes and flash flooding created the worst natural disaster in Tulsa's history at the time. My siblings and I were watching TV, and my dad came running in from mowing the lawn after seeing the neighbor's shingles flying straight up into the air. He grabbed us and we all huddled together in the center hall as a killer tornado ripped off part of our roof. We were lucky- our neighbor's house across the street was gone. When we walked out into the front yard, we could see pieces of Oral Roberts University buildings in the street. 3 people were killed and dozens injured, most likely because there was no warning at all. Anyone who lives in tornado alley should be thankful for any early warnings they get.

I agree that the weather has become sensationalized, but it is still better to be  safe than sorry.

Something even more ridiculous than the local weather coverage- the fact that nearly all homes built in Tulsa are on slabs. Of all places that need basements......
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: iplaw on June 06, 2008, 09:15:50 AM
All praise the holy church of the weather boner!

Their new justification for wall-to-wall weather broadcasts...it's THERAPY for those with "storm anxiety."

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8439521&nav=menu682_2

Parks says information is her coping mechanism.

"A lot of people complain about them being on the air too much. I want them on the air! I want to know exactly what's happening," said Parks.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: breitee on June 06, 2008, 10:34:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

All praise the holy church of the weather boner!

Their new justification for wall-to-wall weather broadcasts...it's THERAPY for those with "storm anxiety."

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8439521&nav=menu682_2

Parks says information is her coping mechanism.

"A lot of people complain about them being on the air too much. I want them on the air! I want to know exactly what's happening," said Parks.





Parks is obviously a very distubed individual with no common sense.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: sgrizzle on June 06, 2008, 10:41:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

quote:
Originally posted by mrhaskellok

. . . there is nothing on TV worth watching anymore anyway -- except for So You Think You Can Dance.


Fixed that for you.  

(Anyone else have a hard time pulling themselves away from that damnable show?)



The full title is "So you think you can dance huh? Well, you're wrong."

They need to quit letting "sex" and the gold power ranger apply.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: tim huntzinger on June 06, 2008, 10:44:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
Originally posted by nathanm

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw


The FCC should allow only ONE station a night the ability to have a continuous broadcast of weather information unless that station loses power.  There is NO need to have 4 stations simultaneously covering the same weather events all night long.


You do realize that not everyone can receive every station clearly, right? I can't get KJRH for the life of me.

Well, for the 5 of you that don't have cable or satellite TV we'll buy you one of those nifty weather alert radios.



I have the Oregon Scientific SAME Weather Radio, and the tornadic activity had passed through Bixby by the time I received my alert.  When Glenpoop was getting hammered I received an alert that there was a severe t-storm warning for Rogers County.  I kept checking my settings and they were correct.
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: iplaw on June 06, 2008, 11:17:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by breitee

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

All praise the holy church of the weather boner!

Their new justification for wall-to-wall weather broadcasts...it's THERAPY for those with "storm anxiety."

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8439521&nav=menu682_2

Parks says information is her coping mechanism.

"A lot of people complain about them being on the air too much. I want them on the air! I want to know exactly what's happening," said Parks.





Parks is obviously a very distubed individual with no common sense.

I think "Parks" is a sock puppet for Travis Meyer's dirt squirrel....
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: Conan71 on June 06, 2008, 03:47:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by azbadpuppy

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8430357

Warnings of a possible tornado outbreak from Oklahoma to Iowa are in the forecast for Thursday.

The News On 6 WARN team says conditions are similar to a deadly day in 1974 when 39 tornadoes touched down across the Great Plains.


This crap is getting out of hand, it's not enough for them to hijack television stations all night long, now we have to have the stormgasm "pregame show"...they can't even reliably predict the weather 30 minutes in advance with storms already on the radar.  How can they even begin to make predictions like these.  Seems a bit overreaching to me?





I remember that day in 1974. The combination of 3 tornadoes and flash flooding created the worst natural disaster in Tulsa's history at the time. My siblings and I were watching TV, and my dad came running in from mowing the lawn after seeing the neighbor's shingles flying straight up into the air. He grabbed us and we all huddled together in the center hall as a killer tornado ripped off part of our roof. We were lucky- our neighbor's house across the street was gone. When we walked out into the front yard, we could see pieces of Oral Roberts University buildings in the street. 3 people were killed and dozens injured, most likely because there was no warning at all. Anyone who lives in tornado alley should be thankful for any early warnings they get.

I agree that the weather has become sensationalized, but it is still better to be  safe than sorry.

Something even more ridiculous than the local weather coverage- the fact that nearly all homes built in Tulsa are on slabs. Of all places that need basements......



I still get chills when I think of that day.

Interesting bit of ironic cocktail party trivia, according to the NWS:

The very first building hit in the tornado outbreak of June 8, 1974 was the NWS office located at Will Rogers World Airport.  It sustained minor damage but had a gas leak for awhile which shifted coverage to the Tulsa office.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/newsletter/spring2003/#19740608

interesting web site in general:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/newsletter/spring2003/
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: Ttowndad on June 06, 2008, 04:41:46 PM
Unofficial photo of an Oklahoma Weather Forcaster (http://www.dartbasics.com/images/dart_board.jpg)
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: Ttowndad on June 06, 2008, 04:45:47 PM
All kidding aside pretty wild and difficult weather to predict here in Oklahoma.  Check out this timeline:

100 Years of Oklahoma Weather
In celebration of Oklahoma's centennial... the National Weather Service in Norman looks back at some of the most significant and most memorable weather events that have affected the state during its first 100 years.
Year   Dates   Event
1911   November 11   A "blue norther" lowered temperatures 50 to 65 degrees in 2 hours. The high and low temperatures at Oklahoma City on this day... 83 and 17... Both still stand as records for the date as of 2007.
1911-1912   December-March   87.3 inches of snow fell in the town of Beaver, a state record for seasonal snowfall.
1912   April 27   Major tornado outbreak left at least 30 dead across western and central Oklahoma. The exact number of tornadoes is unknown, but there were at least 16 tornadoes that earned an F2 or greater rating, including 5 that were rated F3 and 6 that were rated F4. hardest hit were the towns of Butler /6 dead/, Lugert /all but 2 buildings destroyed/, Calumet /3 dead/, Hinton /4 unconfirmed deaths/, and Sentinel /60 homes damaged or destroyed/. In terms of the number and intensity of tornadoes, some researchers believe this outbreak was at least as significant as the outbreak of May 3, 1999.
1920   May 2   An F4 tornado destroyed Peggs, killing 71. This is the third deadliest tornado in Oklahoma history.
1923   October 13-16   Flooding on the North Canadian River led to a breach of Lake Overholser, forcing evacuation of 15,000 residents in Oklahoma City. This flood led to a radical redistribution of housing patterns in the city as higher-income families moved northward, away from the river.
1924   March   Heavy snow fell during much of the month over most of the state. Monthly snowfall totals were 20 to 37 inches in many areas, some of which still stand as all-time snowfall records for any single month.
1930   April 25   An F4 tornado killed 23 in Bethany. This is the 9th deadliest tornado in Oklahoma history.
1932-38       General drought conditions, combined with inappropriate farming practices, led to the "Dust Bowl." Details of some of the more noteworthy single events follow.
1935   April 10-11   A dust storm covered almost the entire state, reducing visibility to less than 2 blocks as far east as Pawnee County.
1935   April 14   The "Black Sunday" dust storm reduced visibility to zero late in the afternoon over the panhandle and northwest, "turning afternoon brightness immediately into midnight darkness."
1936   July-August   Record heat during the summer of 1936 produced high temperatures of 120 at Alva, Altus (twice) and Poteau, the highest temperatures ever recorded officially in Oklahoma. The high of 113 at Oklahoma City on August 11 is still the all-time record high temperature for the city.
1942   April 27   An F4 tornado struck prior, killing 52. This is the 5th deadliest tornado in Oklahoma history.
1942   June 12   An F4 tornado struck Oklahoma City, killing 35. This is the 7th deadliest tornado in Oklahoma history, and was the deadliest tornado to hit Oklahoma City until the F5 tornado of May 3 1999.
1945   April 12   An F5 tornado struck antlers, killing 69. This is the 4th deadliest tornado in Oklahoma history.
1947   April 9   An F5 long-track tornado struck Woodward. 116 people were killed, making this the deadliest single tornado in Oklahoma history.
1948   March 20-25   A tornado struck Tinker Air Force Base on March 20, leading to the first tornado forecast 5 days later by Air Force meteorologists Fawbush and Miller. The base was struck again on March 25, but the first-ever successful tornado forecast led to protective action that prevented significant damage to aircraft.
1955   May 12   An F5 tornado struck Blackwell, killing 20. Another F5 tornado formed just north of Blackwell in Kay County and moved north into Kansas, eventually killing 80 people at Udall, Kansas.
1957       An active spring tornado season, 85 tornadoes in April and May, and a record 12 more tornadoes in November contributed to total of 107 tornadoes in Oklahoma in 1957. This was a record yearly total, until the outbreak of May 3, 1999 as well as other tornado events in 1999 helped produced an annual total of 145 tornadoes.
1960   May 5   Two F4 tornadoes led to 32 deaths in Wilburton, Keota, Howe, and Reichert.
1971   February 21-22   A blizzard in northwest Oklahoma dumped a storm total of 36 inches of snow at Buffalo which still stands as a state record for storm-total snowfall.
1973   October 11   Rainfall of 15.68 inches in Enid established a state record for 24-hour rainfall. It actually fell in only 13 hours, and 12 inches of it fell in 3 hours. The resulting flash flood killed 9.
1974   June 8   Two dozen tornadoes in central and eastern Oklahoma. The strongest was an F4 that killed 14 in Drumright. Five tornadoes struck within the Oklahoma City limits, one of which touched down at Will Rogers Airport and hit the National Weather Service office.
1979   April 10   The "Red River" tornado outbreak produced a total of 13 tornadoes from north central Texas into central Oklahoma, killing 4 in Oklahoma including 3 near Lawton. This outbreak is remembered most for the massive tornado that struck Wichita Falls, killing 45. That tornado was the costliest tornado ever, until Oklahoma City was struck on May 3, 1999.
1980   Summer   A heat wave scorched the state during the summer of 1980 and Oklahoma City reached 100 or more on 50 days during the season.
1983   October 17-23   Flooding resulted from 10 to 15 inches of rain, as moisture from the remnants of pacific Hurricane Tico interacted with a stalled front.
1983   December   An arctic outbreak led to prolonged wind chills well below zero over nearly the entire latter half of the month. Oklahoma City remained below freezing from the 17th through the 31st, a record duration for subfreezing temperatures. On Christmas Eve, the high was 3 degrees and the low was zero.
1984   May 26-27   Heavy rains falling over Tulsa on Memorial Day in 1984 produced over 12 inches of rain in a matter of hours and generated severe flash flooding throughout the city. Several rain gages with 15-inch rainfall capacity allegedly overflowed. A total of 14 people were killed.
1985   November 30   Subfreezing temperatures and heavy showers led to an ice storm during the day and evening across parts of northern and western Oklahoma. The Bedlam football game that evening in Stillwater, between the University of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State University, was played in nearly continuous freezing rain and sleet - punctuated by thunder and lightning at one point as a squall line moved through the area. In southern Oklahoma, thunderstorms produced golfball hail in Duncan when temperatures were barely above freezing. An F2 tornado occurred in Atoka County. The Sooners won the "Ice Bowl," defeating the Cowboys 13-0.
1986   January   For the first time since records began in 1890, Oklahoma City experienced a totally dry calendar month - zero precipitation.
1986   September 30-October 4   Flooding in at least 52 counties in western, central, and north central Oklahoma resulted from 10 to 20 inches of rain. Remnants of pacific tropical cyclones Newton and Paine contributed to the heavy rain. Heaviest rainfall in north central Oklahoma led to major flooding on the Arkansas River and its tributaries. Damage estimates reached 350 million dollars.
1987   December 25-27   An ice storm left ice accumulations of 1 to 2 inches in a swath from Duncan to Norman to Tulsa. This was one of the worst ice storms in state history to date. Between 50 and 100 thousand homes were left without power, some for nearly a week.
1988       There were only 17 tornadoes in Oklahoma in 1988, the lowest annual total since detailed tornado records began in 1950. The average number of Oklahoma tornadoes per year is around 53.
1989   March 3   A cold outbreak lowered temperatures from the 70s into the 20s in a few hours. Severe thunderstorms formed over the cold air that evening, producing large hail north of Oklahoma City where surface temperatures were near 20. A snowstorm would produce near-blizzard conditions in parts of the state two days later.
1991   April 26   A tornado outbreak produced 58 tornadoes from Texas to Iowa, including 10 in Oklahoma. 2 deaths occurred in northeastern Oklahoma. The largest tornado in Oklahoma left a 66-mile damage path in northern Oklahoma, and was over 1/2 mile wide. This outbreak included the Andover, Kansas tornado, in which 17 were killed.
1994   August 17   A large severe thunderstorm left a path of destruction from the combined effects of wind and very large hail, from northwest Oklahoma to just northwest of Oklahoma City. Known as the "Lahoma Storm," the Oklahoma mesonet site near there clocked winds at 113 mph before the anemometer was broken. The storm also produced large amounts of golfball to baseball size hail, which stripped trees and shrubs of vegetation and pummeled the windward sides of buildings. There was an unconfirmed report of an oblong hailstone over 6 inches long ad 4 inches wide that landed in the bed of a pickup near Okarche.
1998   October 4   A tornado outbreak produced 27 tornadoes in Oklahoma - a national record for tornadoes in any state on a single day in October.
1999   May 3   A major tornado outbreak produced at least 66 tornadoes occurred in Oklahoma, making this by far the most prolific tornado outbreak in state history. The previous record for a single event was 28. At least 16 of the tornadoes were rated F2 or greater, 10 were rated F3 or greater, 4 were F4 or greater, and one ? the Bridge Creek/Moore/Oklahoma City tornado - was rated F5. The latter killed 36 people, making it the 6th deadliest single tornado in Oklahoma history. A total of 40 people were killed.
2000   December 25-27   An ice storm in south central and southeastern Oklahoma left widespread ice accumulations of 1-2 inches, downing thousands of trees and damaging or destroying thousands of homes, vehicles, and utility poles. At its peak, 170,000 residents were without power, many for nearly a week. In some cases it took years to clean up and remove downed trees and limbs. Some reports suggest that trees and limbs that were damaged in 2000 still can be identified today.
2002   January 29-31   An ice storm in western and northern Oklahoma left widespread ice accumulations of 1 to 2 inches. Rows of icicles hanging from power lines and exposed structures often were more than a foot long. Nearly 250,000 residents were without power at the peak of the storm, and some were without commercial power for weeks. This, the third major ice storm in the state in 15 years, was likely the costliest as damage estimates exceeded 300 million dollars.
2005-2006   December-March   Wildfires were widespread as a result of persistent dry, windy, and warm conditions. In excess of a quarter million acres were burned, and hundreds of homes and other structures were evacuated. One firefighter died and severe others were injured while fighting the fires.
2007   May-July   Flooding was widespread across the state, as the dry pattern of the previous several years reversed completely and led to record rainfall over several months.
2007   August 19   Wind and flooding occurred in many parts of Oklahoma as the remnants of tropical storm Erin, after weakening and drifting through Texas, reintensified over Oklahoma 2 days after landfall and hundreds of miles from the nearest source of warm water. The unprecedented evolution of this storm system during the early morning hours is still being researched, and likely will be studied for years to come.
For more information about Oklahoma weather history...visit our website at weather.gov/norman.

Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: Hoss on June 06, 2008, 06:10:33 PM
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The FCC should allow only ONE station a night the ability to have a continuous broadcast of weather information unless that station loses power.  There is NO need to have 4 stations simultaneously covering the same weather events all night long.




You do realize that not everyone can receive every station clearly, right? I can't get KJRH for the life of me.

Well, for the 5 of you that don't have cable or satellite TV we'll buy you one of those nifty weather alert radios.



I have the Oregon Scientific SAME Weather Radio, and the tornadic activity had passed through Bixby by the time I received my alert.  When Glenpoop was getting hammered I received an alert that there was a severe t-storm warning for Rogers County.  I kept checking my settings and they were correct.



I would never buy a combination weatherstation/weatheralert radio.  I have a Honeywell TE923W, but have a separate Midland Weather radio I bought on clearance at Wally world last year for...$10.  Works great and hasn't failed me once.  Including last night, except for the fact I had alert mode turned off until about 10 pm.  [:I]
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: Breadburner on June 06, 2008, 06:28:08 PM
So did those fear mongers sound the sirenes last night....Some friends of mine say they heard them....
Title: Here's a new twist on weather hype
Post by: mrhaskellok on June 07, 2008, 12:25:39 AM
Thanks for that historical time line.  It was pretty interesting.