I've been told that due to the large number of complaints from area residents during the 2007 Tulsa Tough tours, there will be greater law enforcement presence on area roads this year.
In other words, if you run red lights and stop signs, expect to be ticketed.
Most of the tour riders have nothing to worry about, of course, but the sub-five hour pack riders will have to exercise caution.
Give 'em HELL, all you spandex-clad 'mo's! Cops will be nit-pickin'. Take EVERY single ticket to TRIAL! And, DON'T back down. Your FINEST hour is NEAR. Post ALL the STOOPID tickets here. Show us how some overzealous, over-the-top cops are wasting tax dollas pickin' on bikes.
(http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/125/mcs129_125.gif)
I am so afraid of being pulled over by the police.
Maybe I am just homophobic, but I hate meeting men from behind.
Oh, that was awful, RM. I'm gonna have to use it.
All traffic laws apply to bicycles. Don't like it? Contact your city councilor. They're the ones who made the laws, not the police.
Ya know this doesn't surprise me that they would take advantage of a situation like this. Recently I've noticed more cops patrolling the 55th street bike route from Riverside to 61st and Richmond. There's been an increase of commuters on that route. Hmmmm, I guess they think we're easy pickins'!
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Originally posted by Wilbur
Don't like it? Contact your city councilor. They're the ones who made the laws, not the police.
And that powerful lobby known as the police union is really just good-old-boys who get together for bowling? Come on.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
All traffic laws apply to bicycles. Don't like it? Contact your city councilor. They're the ones who made the laws, not the police.
Cops are the first-responders of alleged traffic infractions by bicycle drivers. Cops are also NOT trained on the operational characteristics of bikes. Tell me there is NO operational differences between two-wheel bicycles, and four-wheeled motor vehicles operating in TRAFFIC.
Tell me cops get bike ed while in high school drivers ed. Tell me cop academy puts cops on bikes in traffic, on Memorial, on the BA, during RUSH. And, tell me cops gonna OUT-bike Santa. [:P]
The spandex-clad 'mo's should challenge EVERY ticket in court. Git after it, boyz![}:)]
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Originally posted by cks511
Ya know this doesn't surprise me that they would take advantage of a situation like this. Recently I've noticed more cops patrolling the 55th street bike route from Riverside to 61st and Richmond. There's been an increase of commuters on that route. Hmmmm, I guess they think we're easy pickins'!
Instead of stalking Biker Fox with gas-guzzling un-marks, cops rolling bikes on Memorial during rush, could probably sneak up on a whole lotta blinged out brothaaaas smokin' dope on their way to the Vibe Awards.
Also, it's a great way to pick up some blonde cutie in the H2 chatting incessantly to sorority sisters on the phone. Example pickup line: Ma'am, you are talking way too much and not paying attention to driving. I need to confiscate your phone number. Good grief, if it works great for Santa, imagine what it'll do for some cute cop, in UNIFORM!
Hey, maybe some GENIUS cop might EVEN nail a super cute blonde car dealer chick, before she MURDERS another cop, APC/DUI a dually WAY too fast? Naaaaah. Forget it.
Hell, what do I know about cop stuff anyways?
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Hell, what do I know about cop stuff anyways?
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Dude pancakes? Why don't you go take yourself a little sober-up nap.
The good news? The trail between 11th and 21st is paved half way. They should be done by today, so that is great news for the Tulsa Tough.
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Originally posted by 1099paralegal
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Originally posted by cks511
Ya know this doesn't surprise me that they would take advantage of a situation like this. Recently I've noticed more cops patrolling the 55th street bike route from Riverside to 61st and Richmond. There's been an increase of commuters on that route. Hmmmm, I guess they think we're easy pickins'!
Instead of stalking Biker Fox with gas-guzzling un-marks, cops rolling bikes on Memorial during rush, could probably sneak up on a whole lotta blinged out brothaaaas smokin' dope on their way to the Vibe Awards.
Also, it's a great way to pick up some blonde cutie in the H2 chatting incessantly to sorority sisters on the phone. Example pickup line: Ma'am, you are talking way too much and not paying attention to driving. I need to confiscate your phone number. Good grief, if it works great for Santa, imagine what it'll do for some cute cop, in UNIFORM!
Hey, maybe some GENIUS cop might EVEN nail a super cute blonde car dealer chick, before she MURDERS another cop, APC/DUI a dually WAY too fast? Naaaaah. Forget it.
Hell, what do I know about cop stuff anyways?
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Originally posted by we vs us
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Make Tulsa WEIRD! (//%22http://www.maketulsaweird.com%22)
quote:
Originally posted by 1099paralegal
Give 'em HELL, all you spandex-clad 'mo's! Cops will be nit-pickin'. Take EVERY single ticket to TRIAL! And, DON'T back down. Your FINEST hour is NEAR. Post ALL the STOOPID tickets here. Show us how some overzealous, over-the-top cops are wasting tax dollas pickin' on bikes.
(http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/125/mcs129_125.gif)
wow aren't you quite the hypocrite. First you say that bikes are traffic and must follow all the rules of the road. Now once the police ENFORCE THESE RULES, which you state are IN FULL FORCE, you call the cops overzealous, over the top and are wasting tax payers money. What about all these "stoopid" tickets that will go in front of a judge, would that not be wasting peoples tax dollars well? Damn, and whose the village idiot??
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
What about all these "stoopid" tickets that will go in front of a judge, would that not be wasting peoples tax dollars well? Damn, and whose the village idiot??
Trials are never a waste of money. It's called due process. Consider it a cost of having a free country where you can't be incarcerated on a whim.
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Originally posted by nathanm
quote:
Originally posted by TUalum0982
What about all these "stoopid" tickets that will go in front of a judge, would that not be wasting peoples tax dollars well? Damn, and whose the village idiot??
Trials are never a waste of money. It's called due process. Consider it a cost of having a free country where you can't be incarcerated on a whim.
Trials are never a waste of money? Are you serious? There is quite a large difference between getting a traffic citation for which you pay a fine or go in front of a judge and being incarcerated. My point being, there are plenty frivilous lawsuits and trials out there. People have filed motions (which is a request for a court order) for the following:
A. Motion for skin care operation
B. Motion to Kiss my donkey
C. Motion for catered food services
D. Motion for Psychoanlysis
E. Motion for Restoration of Sanity
here are a few more examples:
According to Department of Justice figures, 30,000 inmate lawsuits were filed last year (added to heavy backlogs, more than 28,000 inmate lawsuits in New York alone) against prison officials for "civil rights" violations, the vast majority described by judges and court officials as frivolous.
Among the lawsuits were those prisoners complaining that the prison canteen supplied "creamy" peanut butter when a prisoner bought "crunchy", that guards wouldn't refrigerate his ice cream snack so that he could eat it later ($1 million lawsuit), that his toilet seat was too cold, that, as an inmate-paralegal in the prison law library, he should make the same wage that lawyers make, that prisons should offer salad bars ($129 million), that a limit on the number of Kool-Aid refills is "cruel and unusual punishment", and that the scrambled eggs were cooked too hard.
In New York, 20 percent of the entire budget of the Attorney General's office is spent on prisoner lawsuits
A man in Fort Worth filed a lawsuit against Elvis Presley Enterprises, contending that the King faked his death and ran off to live a normal life. He says he knows for certain that Elvis is alive because he has had frequent telephone calls from him.
A woman sued a man because he swore at her in traffic. He offered to meet her and apologize, but she refused and filed suit for $5,000. She won $2,500 at the trial court level, but the decision was reversed on appeal because she failed to prove her distress was more than what a reasonable person could endure.
ahhh thank you due process :)
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
wow aren't you quite the hypocrite. First you say that bikes are traffic and must follow all the rules of the road. Now once the police ENFORCE THESE RULES, which you state are IN FULL FORCE, you call the cops overzealous, over the top and are wasting tax payers money. What about all these "stoopid" tickets that will go in front of a judge, would that not be wasting peoples tax dollars well? Damn, and whose the village idiot??
Hello? Are we NOT in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? Land of the FREE. Home of the BRAVE. And, DUE PROCESS, 14th AMENDMENT of the U.S. Constitution?
If due process is SUCH a waste of taxes, I know several places in the world where you should reside where they don't BOTHER with such a waste of taxes on DUE PROCESS. Cops simply shoot you on the spot. Problem SOLVED.
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
Trials are never a waste of money? Are you serious? There is quite a large difference between getting a traffic citation for which you pay a fine or go in front of a judge and being incarcerated. My point being, there are plenty frivilous lawsuits and trials out there. People have filed motions (which is a request for a court order) for the following:
Obviously I was speaking of situations where the state seeks to enforce some sort of penalty against a person.
BTW, the creamy/crunchy thing may well need a trial if the facts you posited are in fact true. If we don't want to give a prisoner the kind of peanut butter they buy, we shouldn't let them buy it in the first place. If they do buy something, they should get that product, not some random substitute of the guard's choosing.
The frivolous inmate lawsuits are merely a symptom of a bigger issue, anyway. Not that they should be filed, but again, that's not what I was talking about. Pretty obviously, if you ask me.
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Originally posted by nathanm
If we don't want to give a prisoner the kind of peanut butter they buy, we shouldn't let them buy it in the first place. If they do buy something, they should get that product, not some random substitute of the guard's choosing.
If the facts bear out crooked guards are routinely embezzling then it's not so frivolous. Lets say the prisoner's have to document how they know substitutions are going on, and report that in one instance the crunchy peanut butter they bought was substituted for a cheap creamy brand. The guard's union then distorts the report before the media to look like prisoners are complaining about creamy Vs. crunchy peanut butter, and the thefts by the guards are hidden by the smokescreen of semantics (while the prisoners are made to look like fools).
It's all in the spin put on by a profession skilled at distorting the truth.
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wow aren't you quite the hypocrite. First you say that bikes are traffic and must follow all the rules of the road. Now once the police ENFORCE THESE RULES, which you state are IN FULL FORCE, you call the cops overzealous, over the top and are wasting tax payers money.
AMEN!
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Originally posted by Wilbur
quote:
wow aren't you quite the hypocrite. First you say that bikes are traffic and must follow all the rules of the road. Now once the police ENFORCE THESE RULES, which you state are IN FULL FORCE, you call the cops overzealous, over the top and are wasting tax payers money.
AMEN!
Isnt life wonderful when it can be reduced to an episode of "The Simpsons"?
Here, im thinking "Midnight Towboy"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/HomerTows.jpg)
It's the episode where Homer becomes a tow truck driver, and in time becomes over-zealous to the point where the citizens revolt, and when he's locked up the enforcement pendulum swings the other way and chaos ensues.
The moral lesson (and every Simpsons eppisode's gotta have one) is moderation:
The letter of the law should not enslave you, and that policing should involve some discretion
beyond the letter of the law.
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Originally posted by patric
The moral lesson (and every Simpsons eppisode's gotta have one) is moderation: The letter of the law should not enslave you, and that policing should involve some discretion beyond the letter of the law.
It also depends on who the alleged lawbreaker is. If the alleged perp happens to be impersonating Santa, he's SOL. All others, SKATE.
Moral of the story: Impersonate the Easter Bunny.
Got some great footage today of the action!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XFoP2TxvbRw&feature=related (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=XFoP2TxvbRw&feature=related%22)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TW-jDgUABs (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TW-jDgUABs%22)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1lhGUXeJ-c (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1lhGUXeJ-c%22)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Jo0Ik7RUc (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Jo0Ik7RUc%22)
[:D][:D][:D]
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Originally posted by mrhaskellok
Got some great footage today of the action!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XFoP2TxvbRw&feature=related (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=XFoP2TxvbRw&feature=related%22)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TW-jDgUABs (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TW-jDgUABs%22)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1lhGUXeJ-c (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1lhGUXeJ-c%22)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Jo0Ik7RUc (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Jo0Ik7RUc%22)
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Confusion: An Effective Traffic Control Device? (//%22http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/23/AR2007122302487_2.html%22)
By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, December 24, 2007; Page A09
BOHMTE, Germany -- Like countless other communities, this west German town lived for years with a miserable traffic problem. Each day, thousands of cars and big trucks barreled along the two-lane main street, forcing pedestrians and cyclists to scamper for their lives.
The usual remedies -- from safety crossings to speed traps -- did no good. So the citizens of Bohmte decided to take a big risk. Since September, they've been tearing up the sidewalks, removing curbs and erasing street markers as part of a radical plan to abandon nearly all traffic regulations and force people to rely on common sense and courtesy instead.
This contrarian approach to traffic management, known as shared space, is gaining a foothold in Europe. Towns in the Netherlands, Denmark, Britain and Belgium have tossed out their traffic lights and stop signs in a bid to reclaim their streets for everyone.
The assumption is that drivers are accustomed to owning the road and rarely pay attention to speed limits or caution signs anyway. Removing traffic lights and erasing lane markers, the thinking goes, will cause drivers to get nervous and slow down.
"Generally speaking, what we want is for people to be confused," said Willi Ladner, a deputy mayor in Bohmte. "When they're confused, they'll be more alert and drive more carefully."
The European Union has subsidized shared space programs in seven cities in five countries. Interest is spreading worldwide, with cities in countries from Australia to Canada sending emissaries to Europe to see whether the experiment works.
In Bohmte, a town of 13,000 people in the state of Lower Saxony, residents were tired of all the trucks whizzing along Bremen Street, the main route through the city. Since the street is categorized as a state highway, German law prevented local officials from banning trucks. They considered building a bypass instead, but merchants worried it would suck too many vehicles out of the city center, hurting business.
In 2005, city leaders learned about shared space and decided to give it a try. One of the biggest obstacles was persuading regional traffic bureaucrats to approve the unorthodox approach. "They were grinding their teeth, but finally they agreed," Ladner said.
On Nov. 26, a small section of Bremen Street -- absent signs and curbs -- reopened to traffic. With no marked spaces, people can park their cars wherever they want, as long as they don't leave them in the middle of the road. The new pavement is a reddish-brick color, intended to send a subtle signal to drivers that they are entering a special zone.
Only two traffic rules remain. Drivers cannot go more than 30 mph, the German speed limit for city driving. And everyone has to yield to the right, regardless of whether it's a car, a bike or a baby carriage.
Peter Hilbricht, a Bohmte police officer in charge of traffic planning, said the main intersection in town generated about 50 accidents a year before the changes. He expects the number to plummet, citing the experience of other cities that have embraced the shared space approach.
In Haren, the Netherlands, for example, the number of accidents at one intersection dropped by 95 percent, from 200 a year to about 10, Hilbricht said. "You can't deny the numbers," he added. "Half the world is eager to see what's going to happen with this program."
Old habits, however, can be hard to break. Especially in Germany, a rules-obsessed nation where people who dare to jaywalk can expect a loud scolding from other pedestrians, even if no cars are in sight.
Asked to give a personal demonstration, Hilbricht put Bohmte's lack of rules to the test. Picking a random spot, he bravely stepped into oncoming traffic and across the road -- an act that could have earned him a fine pretty much anywhere else in Germany.
Cars immediately slowed down and gave Hilbricht a wide berth, although he admitted that his police uniform may have worked to his advantage.
When a reporter tried the same thing, two approaching drivers barely hit their brakes, including one guy in a van who babbled away on his cellphone as he sped past.
Ladner, the deputy mayor, acknowledged that it could take a year or two before residents get used to the changes. But city officials are confident. They are spending $3.3 million to overhaul parts of Bremen Street by next summer and hope to expand the special zone gradually over the next 10 to 20 years.
"We're very optimistic," Ladner said. "If others can do it, then why not us? It will be difficult for some people, yes, but it can be accomplished."
Although shared space is attracting lots of attention in Europe, no one expects Germany to shut down its famed autobahns anytime soon.
The program is designed only for public spaces where pedestrians and cyclists share routes with cars. Traffic engineers say it could lead to gridlock if introduced in high-traffic areas, such as large cities.
Practically speaking, the shared space concept works only at intersections that attract fewer than 15,000 vehicles a day, said Juergen Gerlach, a professor at the Center of Traffic and Transport at the University of Wuppertal. The approach can backfire if it covers more than a half-mile of road at a time, he said. Otherwise, drivers would get too frustrated with the slow pace and bypass the area.
Some residents in Bohmte said that although something needed to be done, they remain unconvinced that doing away with all the street signs and safety measures will do the job.
"It's how people are these days -- everyone is in a hurry, everyone just takes off," said Maria Stolte, who pulled her Mercedes in front of a bakery in the no-sign zone to buy some bread. "No one looks or pauses or is courteous. I hope it will slow people down."
At the same time, she doesn't plan on taking her bike for a spin anytime soon. "I don't know if I will feel comfortable riding down this street," she said.
The baker, Gisela Luebbert, is also skeptical.
"What they have done is pretty, no question about that," she said. "They've done a nice job with the design, but was it absolutely necessary? I don't know. We'll see if it's worth all the trouble."
We saw Santa on his bike in Brookside this weekend. He will sing naked for $1.
Scary, just plain scary.
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Originally posted by Conan71
We saw Santa on his bike in Brookside this weekend. He will sing naked for $1.
Scary, just plain scary.
Oh, fo' shure. Since HB1804 cleared out the cheap kitchen help, Santa's tamale bill has probably TRIPLED.[:P]
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Originally posted by 1099paralegal
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Originally posted by mrhaskellok
Got some great footage today of the action!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XFoP2TxvbRw&feature=related (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=XFoP2TxvbRw&feature=related%22)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TW-jDgUABs (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TW-jDgUABs%22)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1lhGUXeJ-c (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1lhGUXeJ-c%22)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Jo0Ik7RUc (//%22http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Jo0Ik7RUc%22)
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Confusion: An Effective Traffic Control Device? (//%22http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/23/AR2007122302487_2.html%22)
By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, December 24, 2007; Page A09
BOHMTE, Germany -- Like countless other communities, this west German town lived for years with a miserable traffic problem. Each day, thousands of cars and big trucks barreled along the two-lane main street, forcing pedestrians and cyclists to scamper for their lives.
The usual remedies -- from safety crossings to speed traps -- did no good. So the citizens of Bohmte decided to take a big risk. Since September, they've been tearing up the sidewalks, removing curbs and erasing street markers as part of a radical plan to abandon nearly all traffic regulations and force people to rely on common sense and courtesy instead.
This contrarian approach to traffic management, known as shared space, is gaining a foothold in Europe. Towns in the Netherlands, Denmark, Britain and Belgium have tossed out their traffic lights and stop signs in a bid to reclaim their streets for everyone.
The assumption is that drivers are accustomed to owning the road and rarely pay attention to speed limits or caution signs anyway. Removing traffic lights and erasing lane markers, the thinking goes, will cause drivers to get nervous and slow down.
"Generally speaking, what we want is for people to be confused," said Willi Ladner, a deputy mayor in Bohmte. "When they're confused, they'll be more alert and drive more carefully."
The European Union has subsidized shared space programs in seven cities in five countries. Interest is spreading worldwide, with cities in countries from Australia to Canada sending emissaries to Europe to see whether the experiment works.
In Bohmte, a town of 13,000 people in the state of Lower Saxony, residents were tired of all the trucks whizzing along Bremen Street, the main route through the city. Since the street is categorized as a state highway, German law prevented local officials from banning trucks. They considered building a bypass instead, but merchants worried it would suck too many vehicles out of the city center, hurting business.
In 2005, city leaders learned about shared space and decided to give it a try. One of the biggest obstacles was persuading regional traffic bureaucrats to approve the unorthodox approach. "They were grinding their teeth, but finally they agreed," Ladner said.
On Nov. 26, a small section of Bremen Street -- absent signs and curbs -- reopened to traffic. With no marked spaces, people can park their cars wherever they want, as long as they don't leave them in the middle of the road. The new pavement is a reddish-brick color, intended to send a subtle signal to drivers that they are entering a special zone.
Only two traffic rules remain. Drivers cannot go more than 30 mph, the German speed limit for city driving. And everyone has to yield to the right, regardless of whether it's a car, a bike or a baby carriage.
Peter Hilbricht, a Bohmte police officer in charge of traffic planning, said the main intersection in town generated about 50 accidents a year before the changes. He expects the number to plummet, citing the experience of other cities that have embraced the shared space approach.
In Haren, the Netherlands, for example, the number of accidents at one intersection dropped by 95 percent, from 200 a year to about 10, Hilbricht said. "You can't deny the numbers," he added. "Half the world is eager to see what's going to happen with this program."
Old habits, however, can be hard to break. Especially in Germany, a rules-obsessed nation where people who dare to jaywalk can expect a loud scolding from other pedestrians, even if no cars are in sight.
Asked to give a personal demonstration, Hilbricht put Bohmte's lack of rules to the test. Picking a random spot, he bravely stepped into oncoming traffic and across the road -- an act that could have earned him a fine pretty much anywhere else in Germany.
Cars immediately slowed down and gave Hilbricht a wide berth, although he admitted that his police uniform may have worked to his advantage.
When a reporter tried the same thing, two approaching drivers barely hit their brakes, including one guy in a van who babbled away on his cellphone as he sped past.
Ladner, the deputy mayor, acknowledged that it could take a year or two before residents get used to the changes. But city officials are confident. They are spending $3.3 million to overhaul parts of Bremen Street by next summer and hope to expand the special zone gradually over the next 10 to 20 years.
"We're very optimistic," Ladner said. "If others can do it, then why not us? It will be difficult for some people, yes, but it can be accomplished."
Although shared space is attracting lots of attention in Europe, no one expects Germany to shut down its famed autobahns anytime soon.
The program is designed only for public spaces where pedestrians and cyclists share routes with cars. Traffic engineers say it could lead to gridlock if introduced in high-traffic areas, such as large cities.
Practically speaking, the shared space concept works only at intersections that attract fewer than 15,000 vehicles a day, said Juergen Gerlach, a professor at the Center of Traffic and Transport at the University of Wuppertal. The approach can backfire if it covers more than a half-mile of road at a time, he said. Otherwise, drivers would get too frustrated with the slow pace and bypass the area.
Some residents in Bohmte said that although something needed to be done, they remain unconvinced that doing away with all the street signs and safety measures will do the job.
"It's how people are these days -- everyone is in a hurry, everyone just takes off," said Maria Stolte, who pulled her Mercedes in front of a bakery in the no-sign zone to buy some bread. "No one looks or pauses or is courteous. I hope it will slow people down."
At the same time, she doesn't plan on taking her bike for a spin anytime soon. "I don't know if I will feel comfortable riding down this street," she said.
The baker, Gisela Luebbert, is also skeptical.
"What they have done is pretty, no question about that," she said. "They've done a nice job with the design, but was it absolutely necessary? I don't know. We'll see if it's worth all the trouble."
I have read about this...makes perfect sense.
If you want to learn more about this, there are several really good youtube videos...if there is any interest, we could make a thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfasxqhBNU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuxMuMrXUJk&feature=related
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Originally posted by mrhaskellok
If you want to learn more about this, there are several really good youtube videos...if there is any interest, we could make a thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfasxqhBNU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuxMuMrXUJk&feature=related
How to do Shared Space, Without Really Trying: Build more QT's on EVERY intersection.
Looks like Tulsa is a bit hard on crime these daze.[B)]