How do Oklahoma's crazy beer laws pertain to outdoor sales/consumption?
I was at the Tulsa Tough (bike race) last year and tried to get a real beer from Dirty's to bring outside and watch the races. They said I could only bring 3.2 beer outside.
They seem to only sell 3.2 beer for outside consumption at outdoor events like dfest, tulsa tough and mayfest. But I'm not sure if that's just a function of the fact that all our macrobrews are 3.2.
Is it legal to walk down the street anywhere in Tulsa drinking a 3.2 beer? Is it illegal to drink a real beer at mayfest?
You can not walk down the street drinking a beer in Tulsa...
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Originally posted by Breadburner
You can not walk down the street drinking a beer in Tulsa...
Which is actually crazy because I thought the whole reasoning behind the 3.2 beer law was so that it could be classified as a 'non-intoxicating' beverage so it could be sold chilled in the grocery stores.
This state needs to revise it's archaic liquor laws.
If you can't go outside with anything over 3.2%, how do you explain the high point German beer sold at Oktoberfest? How do you explain all the Wine tasting events?
Or did they get brewers and vintners to make 3.2% beer and wine?
http://www.tulsaoktoberfest.org/ofest2007/Pages.aspx?pageid=5
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Originally posted by TeeDub
If you can't go outside with anything over 3.2%, how do you explain the high point German beer sold at Oktoberfest? How do you explain all the Wine tasting events?
Sure, there's no roof over your head, but you're inside the festival's fencing.. you can't walk outside of the festival with it... I assume it's just like any patio seating at a restaurant. You're still on restaurant property.
So I can't walk out of Mayfest with a beer? There seems to be no effort to contain the perimeter to prevent anybody from walking out with a beer or walking in with their own beer.
You can drink beer outside. Here are the city of Tulsa ordinances....
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title27.asp#Chapter3
How about Las Cabos on the Riverwalk. You can definitely get strong mixed drinks there and wander all over.
I bet dirty's was just worried about liability issues.
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Originally posted by MH2010
You can drink beer outside. Here are the city of Tulsa ordinances....
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title27.asp#Chapter3
that jumped to a page about offenses to public justice....freudian slip?
If you can drink 3.2 beer outside then why wouldn't all the downtown/sobo/brookside bars serve to people on the street ala new orleans and memphis?
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by MH2010
You can drink beer outside. Here are the city of Tulsa ordinances....
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title27.asp#Chapter3
that jumped to a page about offenses to public justice....freudian slip?
Sorry, I guess that was where I was on the page when I linked it. The link is to all city ordinances. There is no ordinance about drinking 3.2 beer on the street. You have to have a permit to sell it on the street but not to drink it.
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Originally posted by TeeDub
If you can't go outside with anything over 3.2%, how do you explain the high point German beer sold at Oktoberfest? How do you explain all the Wine tasting events?
Or did they get brewers and vintners to make 3.2% beer and wine?
http://www.tulsaoktoberfest.org/ofest2007/Pages.aspx?pageid=5
I believe oktoberfest is 3.2
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Originally posted by TheTed
So I can't walk out of Mayfest with a beer? There seems to be no effort to contain the perimeter to prevent anybody from walking out with a beer or walking in with their own beer.
There is security but they aren't blocking the entrances. However it's pretty obvious if you brought something in from outside since no coolers or backpacks are allowed and Mayfest beer is in a 16oz plastic cup.
There is no-one physically stopping you from walking out of the festival with a beer but 99% of laws don't involve police officers sitting there going "no, no, don't do that.."
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by TeeDub
If you can't go outside with anything over 3.2%, how do you explain the high point German beer sold at Oktoberfest? How do you explain all the Wine tasting events?
Or did they get brewers and vintners to make 3.2% beer and wine?
http://www.tulsaoktoberfest.org/ofest2007/Pages.aspx?pageid=5
I believe oktoberfest is 3.2
The Germans should sue Tulsa for having an "Oktoberfest" with the 3.2 pee water beer.
I won't drink the stuff. It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz. When I drink, which is rare, I get a high-point beer like Spaten Optimator (7.2) and put it in my freezer for a bit. It tastes MUCH better and I get a nice buzz off of one 16.9 oz bottle which costs something like $1.79 at the Parkhill liquor store, and 2 of them make me pretty wasted (I'm a lightweight). What a deal. As a non-native, I cannot understand why anybody would buy the 3.2 beer, unless it's on Sunday or after 9. And if you are worried about price, you can get a sixer of full strength Pabst for about the same as a sixer of the hated 3.2 beer mandated by a bunch of prudes in the 50s. It's funny, but most of my friends that are from here don't drink full strength beer. So when I'm offered a beer, I ask if it's 3.2 and if it is, I politely decline the offer.
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by TeeDub
If you can't go outside with anything over 3.2%, how do you explain the high point German beer sold at Oktoberfest? How do you explain all the Wine tasting events?
Or did they get brewers and vintners to make 3.2% beer and wine?
http://www.tulsaoktoberfest.org/ofest2007/Pages.aspx?pageid=5
I believe oktoberfest is 3.2
The Germans should sue Tulsa for having an "Oktoberfest" with the 3.2 pee water beer.
I won't drink the stuff. It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz. When I drink, which is rare, I get a high-point beer like Spaten Optimator (7.2) and put it in my freezer for a bit. It tastes MUCH better and I get a nice buzz off of one 16.9 oz bottle which costs something like $1.79 at the Parkhill liquor store, and 2 of them make me pretty wasted (I'm a lightweight). What a deal. As a non-native, I cannot understand why anybody would buy the 3.2 beer, unless it's on Sunday or after 9. And if you are worried about price, you can get a sixer of full strength Pabst for about the same as a sixer of the hated 3.2 beer mandated by a bunch of prudes in the 50s. It's funny, but most of my friends that are from here don't drink full strength beer. So when I'm offered a beer, I ask if it's 3.2 and if it is, I politely decline the offer.
The Spaten and other good beers at Oktoberfest aren't even made in 3.2 varieties, are they?
I instantly lose all respect for the people who are drinking 3.2 budweiser at oktoberfest. I really do enjoy Oktoberfest but ours should be ineligible for inclusion onto any 'best oktoberfest' lists with all that pee water that most people drink.
I end up having to go out of my way to get actual german beer, walking past lots of budweiser/miller vendors on the way.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by TheTed
So I can't walk out of Mayfest with a beer? There seems to be no effort to contain the perimeter to prevent anybody from walking out with a beer or walking in with their own beer.
There is security but they aren't blocking the entrances. However it's pretty obvious if you brought something in from outside since no coolers or backpacks are allowed and Mayfest beer is in a 16oz plastic cup.
There is no-one physically stopping you from walking out of the festival with a beer but 99% of laws don't involve police officers sitting there going "no, no, don't do that.."
From past experience I just expected there to be some effort to keep people from leaving with beer. Bars generally have a doorman to stop that.
Beale Street only allows outdoor consumption at night when their barricades are set up and there are guards at every entrance.
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Originally posted by TheTed
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by TeeDub
If you can't go outside with anything over 3.2%, how do you explain the high point German beer sold at Oktoberfest? How do you explain all the Wine tasting events?
Or did they get brewers and vintners to make 3.2% beer and wine?
http://www.tulsaoktoberfest.org/ofest2007/Pages.aspx?pageid=5
I believe oktoberfest is 3.2
The Germans should sue Tulsa for having an "Oktoberfest" with the 3.2 pee water beer.
I won't drink the stuff. It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz. When I drink, which is rare, I get a high-point beer like Spaten Optimator (7.2) and put it in my freezer for a bit. It tastes MUCH better and I get a nice buzz off of one 16.9 oz bottle which costs something like $1.79 at the Parkhill liquor store, and 2 of them make me pretty wasted (I'm a lightweight). What a deal. As a non-native, I cannot understand why anybody would buy the 3.2 beer, unless it's on Sunday or after 9. And if you are worried about price, you can get a sixer of full strength Pabst for about the same as a sixer of the hated 3.2 beer mandated by a bunch of prudes in the 50s. It's funny, but most of my friends that are from here don't drink full strength beer. So when I'm offered a beer, I ask if it's 3.2 and if it is, I politely decline the offer.
The Spaten and other good beers at Oktoberfest aren't even made in 3.2 varieties, are they?
I instantly lose all respect for the people who are drinking 3.2 budweiser at oktoberfest. I really do enjoy Oktoberfest but ours should be ineligible for inclusion onto any 'best oktoberfest' lists with all that pee water that most people drink.
I end up having to go out of my way to get actual german beer, walking past lots of budweiser/miller vendors on the way.
I don't think Spaten makes 3.2 versions of their beers. It does surprise me that some small breweries do make 3.2 beer, such as Boulevard Brewing Company in KC. "Regular" Boulevard Wheat is one of my favorite beers, but the 3.2 version is plain awful.
And if any of you have never had a full-strength Bud or Miller or other "mainstream" domestic, try one next time you're out of state. While they can't compete with higher quality beers, they are 100 times better than 3.2 beer. The gap between "good" beer and full strength mainline beer is less than the gap between full strength domestics and 3.2 domestics.
Best Oktoberfest I ever went to was in Concordia, Missouri. Run by REAL Germans (Concordia, like Cole Camp and other small Missouri towns is majority German) and no 3.2 beer to be found. They sell regular domestics as well as "premium" beers.
Maybe it's the German in me that abhors wimpy beer. I cannot imagine those towns in Missouri having to put up with the hated 3.2 beer, there would be riots. Speaking of the Show Me State, they have some of the best alcohol laws in the region. You can walk up to the counter in a QT in Missouri and ask for a bottle of Jack Daniels (they keep it behind the counter). And, even better, you can buy a sixer or 12 pack or 30 pack of full strength beer. When I was living in KC back around 2002, I lived near the QT on Parvin Rd near I-435. They had a special going for a sixer of Busch for $2.99. so I ended up drinking Busch for a while when I wanted a beer. Full strengh Busch is actually pretty decent, and some domestics like Bud Ice are rather good as well (and at 5.5%, fairly potent).
Did anybody read the article in the Urban Tulsa a few weeks back about the OK alcohol laws? I'm still dizzy from reading it.
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Originally posted by TheTed
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by TeeDub
If you can't go outside with anything over 3.2%, how do you explain the high point German beer sold at Oktoberfest? How do you explain all the Wine tasting events?
Or did they get brewers and vintners to make 3.2% beer and wine?
http://www.tulsaoktoberfest.org/ofest2007/Pages.aspx?pageid=5
I believe oktoberfest is 3.2
The Germans should sue Tulsa for having an "Oktoberfest" with the 3.2 pee water beer.
I won't drink the stuff. It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz. When I drink, which is rare, I get a high-point beer like Spaten Optimator (7.2) and put it in my freezer for a bit. It tastes MUCH better and I get a nice buzz off of one 16.9 oz bottle which costs something like $1.79 at the Parkhill liquor store, and 2 of them make me pretty wasted (I'm a lightweight). What a deal. As a non-native, I cannot understand why anybody would buy the 3.2 beer, unless it's on Sunday or after 9. And if you are worried about price, you can get a sixer of full strength Pabst for about the same as a sixer of the hated 3.2 beer mandated by a bunch of prudes in the 50s. It's funny, but most of my friends that are from here don't drink full strength beer. So when I'm offered a beer, I ask if it's 3.2 and if it is, I politely decline the offer.
The Spaten and other good beers at Oktoberfest aren't even made in 3.2 varieties, are they?
I instantly lose all respect for the people who are drinking 3.2 budweiser at oktoberfest. I really do enjoy Oktoberfest but ours should be ineligible for inclusion onto any 'best oktoberfest' lists with all that pee water that most people drink.
I end up having to go out of my way to get actual german beer, walking past lots of budweiser/miller vendors on the way.
I don't think Spaten makes 3.2 versions of their beers. It does surprise me that some small breweries do make 3.2 beer, such as Boulevard Brewing Company in KC. "Regular" Boulevard Wheat is one of my favorite beers, but the 3.2 version is plain awful.
And if any of you have never had a full-strength Bud or Miller or other "mainstream" domestic, try one next time you're out of state. While they can't compete with higher quality beers, they are 100 times better than 3.2 beer. The gap between "good" beer and full strength mainline beer is less than the gap between full strength domestics and 3.2 domestics.
Best Oktoberfest I ever went to was in Concordia, Missouri. Run by REAL Germans (Concordia, like Cole Camp and other small Missouri towns is majority German) and no 3.2 beer to be found. They sell regular domestics as well as "premium" beers.
Maybe it's the German in me that abhors wimpy beer. I cannot imagine those towns in Missouri having to put up with the hated 3.2 beer, there would be riots. Speaking of the Show Me State, they have some of the best alcohol laws in the region. You can walk up to the counter in a QT in Missouri and ask for a bottle of Jack Daniels (they keep it behind the counter). And, even better, you can buy a sixer or 12 pack or 30 pack of full strength beer. When I was living in KC back around 2002, I lived near the QT on Parvin Rd near I-435. They had a special going for a sixer of Busch for $2.99. so I ended up drinking Busch for a while when I wanted a beer. Full strengh Busch is actually pretty decent, and some domestics like Bud Ice are rather good as well (and at 5.5%, fairly potent).
Did anybody read the article in the Urban Tulsa a few weeks back about the OK alcohol laws? I'm still dizzy from reading it.
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Originally posted by TheTed
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by TheTed
So I can't walk out of Mayfest with a beer? There seems to be no effort to contain the perimeter to prevent anybody from walking out with a beer or walking in with their own beer.
There is security but they aren't blocking the entrances. However it's pretty obvious if you brought something in from outside since no coolers or backpacks are allowed and Mayfest beer is in a 16oz plastic cup.
There is no-one physically stopping you from walking out of the festival with a beer but 99% of laws don't involve police officers sitting there going "no, no, don't do that.."
From past experience I just expected there to be some effort to keep people from leaving with beer. Bars generally have a doorman to stop that.
Beale Street only allows outdoor consumption at night when their barricades are set up and there are guards at every entrance.
Tulsa could do worse than looking at Beale Street for inspiration. However, Beale Street is near some shady areas of Memphis ("shady areas" and "Memphis" is somewhat of a redundancy) and this does cause some problems. Little Rock's River Market should also be looked at for inspiration as it has become a huge success. A mini-Beale Street in a nicer part of Tulsa would be a huge tourist draw as tourists come from all over the country to visit Beale Street.
Octoberfest does sell real beer. One tent, along the west side, sells real beer, which is usually Spaten. I'll agree that selling 3.2 beer at Octoberfest is almost anti something!
Some events, such as Octoberfest, can get a temporary liquor license through ABLE, which allows them to sell liquor (strong beer, wine).
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by TheTed
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by TheTed
So I can't walk out of Mayfest with a beer? There seems to be no effort to contain the perimeter to prevent anybody from walking out with a beer or walking in with their own beer.
There is security but they aren't blocking the entrances. However it's pretty obvious if you brought something in from outside since no coolers or backpacks are allowed and Mayfest beer is in a 16oz plastic cup.
There is no-one physically stopping you from walking out of the festival with a beer but 99% of laws don't involve police officers sitting there going "no, no, don't do that.."
From past experience I just expected there to be some effort to keep people from leaving with beer. Bars generally have a doorman to stop that.
Beale Street only allows outdoor consumption at night when their barricades are set up and there are guards at every entrance.
Tulsa could do worse than looking at Beale Street for inspiration. However, Beale Street is near some shady areas of Memphis ("shady areas" and "Memphis" is somewhat of a redundancy) and this does cause some problems. Little Rock's River Market should also be looked at for inspiration as it has become a huge success. A mini-Beale Street in a nicer part of Tulsa would be a huge tourist draw as tourists come from all over the country to visit Beale Street.
I think part of the appeal of Beale Street is created by the history of Beale Street. I guess we could create some action, didn't Disneyworld do that. A history for something that had no history. Maybe create an interesting story behind Marshall brewery.
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by bugo
I won't drink the stuff. It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz.
If you are drinking beer or any alcoholic beverage "to get a buzz," you don't need to be drinking it in public, at any festival, restaurant, or public place. If that is your goal, then at least stay at home to get your fix and keep the sober traveling public safe.
Where did I ever imply that I drink and drive? Driving in Tulsa is dangerous enough as it is. Unless you are some sort of prohibitionist who is against any consumption of alcohol, your comment is truly baffling.
When I do drink, which is rare, I like to drink at home. I don't like to go to bars so that is not a problem. And I very very rarely drink enough to get drunk. Maybe once a year if that. I don't like being drunk. It makes me feel extremely depressed. And I don't like hangovers. When I say "buzz" I refer to the relaxed feeling you get after drinking a couple of beers. I thought everyone knew the difference between "drunk" and "buzzed." And I never drink beer with meals, and I usually don't drink during the rare festival that I attend. I don't even drink at live shows such as the N.E.R.D. show at Cain's.
Steve,
I believe that part of what you quoted includes were Bugo says he likes to drink at home. I won't address buzzed v.s. drunk.
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by bugo
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by bugo
I won't drink the stuff. It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz.
If you are drinking beer or any alcoholic beverage "to get a buzz," you don't need to be drinking it in public, at any festival, restaurant, or public place. If that is your goal, then at least stay at home to get your fix and keep the sober traveling public safe.
Where did I ever imply that I drink and drive? Driving in Tulsa is dangerous enough as it is. Unless you are some sort of prohibitionist who is against any consumption of alcohol, your comment is truly baffling.
When I do drink, which is rare, I like to drink at home. I don't like to go to bars so that is not a problem. And I very very rarely drink enough to get drunk. Maybe once a year if that. I don't like being drunk. It makes me feel extremely depressed. And I don't like hangovers. When I say "buzz" I refer to the relaxed feeling you get after drinking a couple of beers. I thought everyone knew the difference between "drunk" and "buzzed." And I never drink beer with meals, and I usually don't drink during the rare festival that I attend. I don't even drink at live shows such as the N.E.R.D. show at Cain's.
There is no difference between drunk and buzzed, at least as the law is concerned. You need to get a grip and do your drinking at home.
No, YOU need to get a grip and read what I posted instead of going on your temperance rant. I certainly don't drink and drive, and the few times that I go out, I don't go causing problemss. In fact, I am known as being a reliable designated driver among my group of peers because of my dislike of drunk driving.
I don't know what caused you to go off on me, but you have judged me ENTIRELY wrong, my friend.
I'm surprised you can't drink beer outside in Tulsa. That's pretty strict.[:P]
Well, as I was informed by one of the finests when a buddy of mine got arrested for public intox while in a friends garage, apparently you can be arrested for it at any time that you have consumed any alcohol and you have access to public. According to this officer, you can get arrested for having a single beer in a bar, because it is a public place, and the law doesn't designate what the alocohol level is to be concidered intoxicated, unless you are driving. How much of this is true, I don't really know. I haven't taken the time to actually look it up. Hmmm... I just might do that now.
As I thought, this officer was full of it. Here is the ordinance on this, and should answer some of your questions. I am going to copy and past, since the previous link didn't work right.
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CHAPTER 7
PUBLIC INTOXICATION
Section 700. Illegal Intoxication--Penalty.
SECTION 700. ILLEGAL INTOXICATION--PENALTY
A. Any person who shall, in any public place or in any vehicle, drink or
otherwise consume any intoxicating liquor containing more than three and two-tenths
percent (3.2%) alcohol measured by weight, except as authorized by the Oklahoma
Beverage Control Act, or any other intoxicating substance, or intoxicating compound of
any kind or inhale glue, paint or other intoxicating substance, shall be guilty of an offense.
B. Any person who shall be drunk or intoxicated in or upon any public or
private road, in any vehicle, any public place or building, at any public gathering, place
accessible to the public, or open to being viewed by others, from drinking or consuming
such intoxicating liquor, intoxicating substance, or intoxicating compound or from the
inhalation of glue, paint or other intoxicating substances, shall be guilty of an offense.
C. Any person who shall be drunk or intoxicated from any cause and who
disturbs the peace of any person, shall be guilty of an offense.
D. It shall not be a violation of Subsection B of this section for any person to be
intoxicated on the premises of a private residence with the prior express consent of the
owner or any bona fide resident.
E. Any person found guilty of violating any offense included in this section
shall be punished by a fine of not more than TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS ($200.00),
excluding costs, fees and assessments.
and I will throw this one in for good measure
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CHAPTER 9
INTOXICATING LIQUORS
Section 900. Definitions.
Section 901. Permitting Intoxicated Persons to Remain in Cafe, Restaurant
or Place of Recreation.
Section 902. Possession of Alcoholic Beverage by a Minor.
Section 903. Misrepresentation of Age.
Section 904. Consumption or Possession of Nonintoxicating Alcoholic
Beverage In a Public Place by a Person Under Twenty-one
Years of Age.
SECTION 900. DEFINITIONS
When used in this chapter, the following words and phrases shall have the
meanings given herein.
A. Alcohol. The term "alcohol" shall mean and include hydrated oxide of ethyl,
ethyl alcohol, ethanol or spirits of wine from whatever source or by whatever process
produced. It does not include wood alcohol or alcohol which has been denatured or
produced as denatured in accordance with acts of Congress and regulations promulgated
thereunder.
B. Alcoholic Beverage. The term "alcoholic beverage" shall mean and include
alcohol, spirits, beer and wine as those terms are defined herein and also includes every
liquid or solid, patented or not, containing alcohol, spirits, wine or beer and capable of
being consumed as a beverage by human beings, which contains more than three and
two-tenths percent (3.2%) alcohol measured by weight.
C. Beer. The term "beer" shall mean and include any malt, hops or grainfermented
beverage containing three and two-tenths percent (3.2%) or less but more than
one-hundredth percent (.01%) of alcohol by weight. Beer in excess of three and twotenths
percent (3.2%) shall be considered an alcoholic beverage.
D. Licensee. The term "licensee" shall mean and include any person holding
a license as required by the Oklahoma Alcoholic Beverage Control Act, and any agent,
servant or employee of such licensee while in the performance of any act or duty in
connection with the licensed business or on the licensed premises.
E. Original Package. The term "original package" shall mean and include any
container of alcoholic beverage filled and stamped or sealed by the manufacturer.
F. Premises. The term "premises" shall mean and include the building, room
and equipment under the control of the licensee and used in connection with or in the
furtherance of the business covered by the license.
G. Sale. The term "sale" shall mean and include any transfer, exchange or barter
in any manner or by any means whatsoever and includes and means all sales made by
any person, whether as principal, proprietor, agent, servant or employee.
H. Spirits. The term "spirits" shall mean and include any beverage other than
wine or beer which contains more than three and two-tenths percent (3.2%) alcohol
measured by weight and obtained by distillation, whether or not mixed with other
substances and solutions. The term "spirits" includes those products known as whiskey,
brandy, rum, gin, vodka, liqueurs, cordials, fortified wine and similar compounds but shall
not include any alcoholic liquid completely denatured in accordance with acts of Congress
and regulations pursuant thereto.
SECTION 901. PERMITTING INTOXICATED PERSONS TO REMAIN IN
CAFE, RESTAURANT OR PLACE OF RECREATION
It shall be an offense for any person operating a cafe or restaurant or any place of
recreation to permit any person to be drunk or intoxicated in such place of business. Any
person convicted of a violation of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than
ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($100.00), excluding costs, and/or by imprisonment in the City
Jail for a period of not more than thirty (30) days.
SECTION 902. POSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE BY A MINOR
It shall be an offense for any person under the age of twenty-one (21) years to be
in possession of any intoxicating alcoholic beverage in any public place. Any person
convicted of a violation of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than ONE
HUNDRED DOLLARS ($100.00), excluding costs, and/or by imprisonment in the City Jail
for a period of not more than thirty (30) days.
SECTION 903. MISREPRESENTATION OF AGE
Any person under twenty-one (21) years who shall misrepresent his age in writing
or by presenting false documentation of age for the purpose of inducing any person to sell
or serve him alcoholic beverage shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction
thereof shall be punished by a fine of not less than TWO HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS
($250.00) nor more than FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($500.00), excluding costs.
SECTION 904. CONSUMPTION OR POSSESSION OF NONINTOXICATING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IN A PUBLIC PLACE BY A PERSON UNDER TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE
It shall be an offense for any person under twenty-one (21) years of age to consume
or possess with the intention to consume non-intoxicating alcoholic beverage or beer
containing more than one-half of one percent (1/2 of 1%) of alcohol measured by volume
and not more than three and two-tenths percent (3.2%) of alcohol measured by weight.
Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more
than ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($100.00), excluding costs, or by appropriate community
service not to exceed twenty (20) hours. Provided, the provisions of this section shall not
apply when such person is under the direct supervision of his parent or guardian, but in
no instance shall this exception be interpreted to allow such person to consume such
beverage in any place licensed to dispense non-intoxicating alcoholic beverage as
provided in 37 O.S. ยง 163.11.
Ord. Nos. 16462, 20184
You can get a public intox and not even be drunk....
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Originally posted by Breadburner
You can get a public intox and not even be drunk....
Yep, unless you stay in the bar. You have the owners permission at that point lol. If not, the bar won't stay open long.
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Originally posted by Breadburner
You can get a public intox and not even be drunk....
Yep, unless you stay in the bar. You have the owners permission at that point lol. If not, the bar won't stay open long.
Tulsa and OK laws regarding on-premises consumption are not that different from any other state in the Union, except for maybe the party state Louisiana.
When I was in college, it was legal in Stillwater and in Norman to carry beer on the street. I had heard those were the only two towns in Oklahoma where that was the law.
When you would leave Eskimo Joes, they had those Joes cups by the door and would pour your class into one so you could take it with you.
They changed the laws in both cities around the same time, about 1991-1992. If the students had actually voted the law in Stillwater would never have been changed as the student population was roughly equal to the non-student population.
well, if you read it carefully, it excludes 3.2 beer. So technically, as long as your drinking the local watered down stuff, you aren't intoxicated.
Lotz & Lotz of legal mumble-jumbo in those laws, but I understand the state of Utah is worse. They have no tolerance at all.[^]
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Lotz & Lotz of legal mumble-jumbo in those laws, but I understand the state of Utah is worse. They have no tolerance at all.[^]
yes, because you know being drunk is a lot more confusing than having 20 wives[}:)]
Speaking of beer, I saw a sixer of Budweiser Clamato beer today. I had seen pictures on the Internet, but I thought they were hoaxes. And, of course, they were 3.2. Has anyone had the stomach to try it?
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Speaking of beer, I saw a sixer of Budweiser Clamato beer today. I had seen pictures on the Internet, but I thought they were hoaxes. And, of course, they were 3.2. Has anyone had the stomach to try it?
What is Clamato?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clamato
Blech....
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As I thought, this officer was full of it. Here is the ordinance on this, and should answer some of your questions. I am going to copy and past, since the previous link didn't work right.
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CHAPTER 7
PUBLIC INTOXICATION
Section 700. Illegal Intoxication--Penalty.
SECTION 700. ILLEGAL INTOXICATION--PENALTY
A. Any person who shall, in any public place or in any vehicle, drink or
otherwise consume any intoxicating liquor containing more than three and two-tenths
percent (3.2%) alcohol measured by weight, except as authorized by the Oklahoma
Beverage Control Act, or any other intoxicating substance, or intoxicating compound of
any kind or inhale glue, paint or other intoxicating substance, shall be guilty of an offense.
B. Any person who shall be drunk or intoxicated in or upon any public or
private road, in any vehicle, any public place or building, at any public gathering, place
accessible to the public, or open to being viewed by others, from drinking or consuming
such intoxicating liquor, intoxicating substance, or intoxicating compound or from the
inhalation of glue, paint or other intoxicating substances, shall be guilty of an offense.
C. Any person who shall be drunk or intoxicated from any cause and who
disturbs the peace of any person, shall be guilty of an offense.
D. It shall not be a violation of Subsection B of this section for any person to be
intoxicated on the premises of a private residence with the prior express consent of the
owner or any bona fide resident.
E. Any person found guilty of violating any offense included in this section
shall be punished by a fine of not more than TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS ($200.00),
excluding costs, fees and assessments.
As it is listed, you can drink beer (3.2% or less) outside or in public.
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Originally posted by custosnox
As I thought, this officer was full of it. Here is the ordinance on this, and should answer some of your questions. I am going to copy and past, since the previous link didn't work right.
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CHAPTER 7
PUBLIC INTOXICATION
Section 700. Illegal Intoxication--Penalty.
SECTION 700. ILLEGAL INTOXICATION--PENALTY
A. Any person who shall, in any public place or in any vehicle, drink or
otherwise consume any intoxicating liquor containing more than three and two-tenths
percent (3.2%) alcohol measured by weight, except as authorized by the Oklahoma
Beverage Control Act, or any other intoxicating substance, or intoxicating compound of
any kind or inhale glue, paint or other intoxicating substance, shall be guilty of an offense.
B. Any person who shall be drunk or intoxicated in or upon any public or
private road, in any vehicle, any public place or building, at any public gathering, place
accessible to the public, or open to being viewed by others, from drinking or consuming
such intoxicating liquor, intoxicating substance, or intoxicating compound or from the
inhalation of glue, paint or other intoxicating substances, shall be guilty of an offense.
C. Any person who shall be drunk or intoxicated from any cause and who
disturbs the peace of any person, shall be guilty of an offense.
D. It shall not be a violation of Subsection B of this section for any person to be
intoxicated on the premises of a private residence with the prior express consent of the
owner or any bona fide resident.
E. Any person found guilty of violating any offense included in this section
shall be punished by a fine of not more than TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS ($200.00),
excluding costs, fees and assessments.
As it is listed, you can drink beer (3.2% or less) outside or in public.
I'm amused by how they call 0.01-3.2% beer "beer" and >3.2% beer "alcoholic beverages." Gimme a frickin break. You know what beer that is 5% ABV is??? BEER!!!!!
now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
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now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
Give it to me.. if I spit it out all over the ground, it's 3.2 :P
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now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?
I Like Beer! AND BEER LIKES ME!!!!!LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!
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now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?
When first moved up to St. Louis I found this little pub called the 34 club (I think because it opened in 1934). I sat down and ordered a tall frosty Budwiser 6 point and it was like drinking pure love in a bottle.
A cab driver pulled up to the front door and walked in with his cab still running and said "Donny, I'll have my regular" The bartender filled up a styrofoam cup with ice and Hennessy, put a lit on with a straw and the cabby paid him and returned to his cab and drove off.
Shortly after that a woman walked in with her 3 year old grand-daughter and her weiner-dog. The bartender put a bowl of water on the bar for the dog, who was hoisted to a barstool, fixed the child a Shirley Temple, and a beer for her grandmother.
I went there every sunday at 1pm to play darts with the priests and nuns from the St. Louis Cathedral. They all drank Jamison, until they were crosseyed! The most fun I have ever had with members of the clergy.
I felt like I was in an alien universe!
Alcohol is a big deal here. It's not such a big deal in other states.
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now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?
I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage. Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.
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When first moved up to St. Louis I found this little pub called the 34 club (I think because it opened in 1934). I sat down and ordered a tall frosty Budwiser 6 point and it was like drinking pure love in a bottle.
A cab driver pulled up to the front door and walked in with his cab still running and said "Donny, I'll have my regular" The bartender filled up a styrofoam cup with ice and Hennessy, put a lit on with a straw and the cabby paid him and returned to his cab and drove off.
Shortly after that a woman walked in with her 3 year old grand-daughter and her weiner-dog. The bartender put a bowl of water on the bar for the dog, who was hoisted to a barstool, fixed the child a Shirley Temple, and a beer for her grandmother.
I went there every sunday at 1pm to play darts with the priests and nuns from the St. Louis Cathedral. They all drank Jamison, until they were crosseyed! The most fun I have ever had with members of the clergy.
I felt like I was in an alien universe!
Alcohol is a big deal here. It's not such a big deal in other states.
It's like that all over Missouri, but obviously St Louis is more like that than the rest of the state. I attribute it at least in part to the large German population of Missouri. The state's relatively liberal alcohol laws (hard liquor behind the counter at QT!) are a reflection of this attitude. I miss the Show Me State sometimes.
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Originally posted by custosnox
now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?
I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage. Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.
Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?
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now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?
I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage. Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.
Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?
Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well. And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.). I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.
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now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?
I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage. Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.
Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?
Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well. And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.). I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.
Is there a law about bringing in beer from other states for personal consumption? I remember seeing some signs at state borders somewhere in another part of the country about cigarette bootlegging, which I think was illegal if you had more than a carton.
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Originally posted by TheTed
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Originally posted by custosnox
now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?
I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage. Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.
Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?
Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well. And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.). I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.
Is there a law about bringing in beer from other states for personal consumption? I remember seeing some signs at state borders somewhere in another part of the country about cigarette bootlegging, which I think was illegal if you had more than a carton.
I heard something that since the state of TN hiked their state cig. tax by a huge amount they are enforcing laws making it a high crime if your caught bring in and/or buying cigs from neighbor states such as KY... TN agents are watching stores near the state line and pulling over drivers they suspect of buying cigs in order to avoid paying the TN tax. They will seize your car for doing that. They are pretty darn serious about bootlegging. The law took effect about a year ago.
The title of this thread reminds me of the opening song in the old Eastwood flick "Any Which Way You Can" The tune is called "Beers To You". It's a catchy number.[xx(]
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now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?
I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage. Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.
Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?
Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well. And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.). I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.
Actually there is a way. All the cop needs to do is drink your beer and take note of the velvety flavor with the crisp delicious finish. Then he could arrest you with a smile!
Just a bit of Oklahoma beverage history here, for anyone that cares.
Just prior to the repeal of national prohibition in 1932, the U.S. Congress legalized the sale of weak beer, or any alcoholic beverage of 3.2% alcohol content or less. Thus creating the weak/strong cut off point at 3.2% alcohol. Oklahoma voters ratified this as a change to the dry state consitution and allowed the sale of 3.2 or less beverages in Oklahoma in 1933, and created a set of laws governing these beverages. They retained prohibition of any stronger beverages.
On 4-7-1959, Oklahoma voters finally repealed prohibition of alcoholic beverages stronger than 3.2% by volume, and created a new set of constitutional provisions for these. The old regs regarding weak beer and beverages of 3.2% or less (now called low point) remained intact, much as they do today. Oklahoma's hard liquor laws as adopted in 1959 were patterned as a virtual carbon copy of Kansas state laws, from when Kansas repealed prohibition in 1948. It is still illegal in OK for liquor stores to advertise or have large signs, but they do now because of U.S. Supreme Court rulings on the subject about 25 years ago.
I spoke with my favorite local liquor store owner about the prohibition on refrigeration of any liquor store product. Not surprisingly, he is in favor of keeping the status quo, for he does not want to be forced into installing refrigeration equipment.
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now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2
I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?
I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage. Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.
Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?
Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well. And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.). I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.
Is there a law about bringing in beer from other states for personal consumption? I remember seeing some signs at state borders somewhere in another part of the country about cigarette bootlegging, which I think was illegal if you had more than a carton.
got curious, so I looked it up. You are allowed to bring in up to 1 liter of alcoholic beverages from another state for personal use.
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=78103
Now how many cops out there know how many 12 oz cans of beer it takes to make a liter?
1 Liter = 33.81406 Fluid Ounces
If the alcoholic beverage was fine tequila, that would be over 22 (ounce and a half) shots. That would be plenty for my personal consumption.
I believe the 3.2% law is by weight, not by volume. 3.2% by weight is approximately 4 % by volume.
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I spoke with my favorite local liquor store owner about the prohibition on refrigeration of any liquor store product. Not surprisingly, he is in favor of keeping the status quo, for he does not want to be forced into installing refrigeration equipment.
Or competing with grocery stores and other vendors.
The only value in the current laws is upholding the status quo for stake holders. For liquor store owners, distributors, and the tax man. They serve no other purpose I'm afraid.
Alcoholics still get drunk.
Kids get exactly as much alcohol as they want (and always have).
And there would be MORE choice, not less, with increased competition (the converse argument makes no sense).
I can't blame them, but the pressure to maintain the system is pocket motivated - nothing more. Generally, a law that lines the pockets of a merchant is not good for consumers. Not that I really have a problem with Ranch Acres (or other's) prices. Bah! Stupid archaic laws.
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Originally posted by Steve
I spoke with my favorite local liquor store owner about the prohibition on refrigeration of any liquor store product. Not surprisingly, he is in favor of keeping the status quo, for he does not want to be forced into installing refrigeration equipment.
Or competing with grocery stores and other vendors.
The only value in the current laws is upholding the status quo for stake holders. For liquor store owners, distributors, and the tax man. They serve no other purpose I'm afraid.
Alcoholics still get drunk.
Kids get exactly as much alcohol as they want (and always have).
And there would be MORE choice, not less, with increased competition (the converse argument makes no sense).
I can't blame them, but the pressure to maintain the system is pocket motivated - nothing more. Generally, a law that lines the pockets of a merchant is not good for consumers. Not that I really have a problem with Ranch Acres (or other's) prices. Bah! Stupid archaic laws.
I also debated with him about allowing liquor store sales on Sundays. (Blue Ridge Wine & Spirits at 31st & Sheridan.) He is also in favor of "blue laws" and doesn't want to be forced, via competition, to be open on Sundays. You are right, the laws as originally intended may have been noble to discourage consumption and appease the "dry" factor, but in this day and age, they just favor the pocketbooks of the retailers. It seems rather ridiculous to me that you can buy all the cocktails you want on a Sunday in Tulsa county at a bar or restaurant, but the liquor stores must be closed.
My parents moved to Tulsa in early 1957, about 6 months before I was born. I recall my dad talking about prohibition in Oklahoma for the 2 years they lived here before prohibition was repealed in April '59. They liked it! You could call your bootlegger and have nearly any liquor beverage you wanted, delivered to your front door 24/7 at competitive prices to any wet state. That must have been why it took so long to repeal prohibition in OK.