West Virginia votes today. I am guessing mostly for Hillary.
Will Obama even get a third of the votes? The Suffolk University poll shows him getting 24%. This state doesn't allow republicans or independents to vote, just real democrats.
If he can't get a fourth of the voters in your own party, maybe he should get out of the race.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
If he can't get a fourth of the voters in your own party, maybe he should get out of the race.
If that were true, Hillary would've quit long ago.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
just real democrats
1) By implication Obama supporters are not "real democrats," which is the double speak that drives people nuts about the Clinton campaign.
2) Obama didn't make the rules or even influence them, though many on Clinton's staff did and her husband has more pull than anyone. The rules are in place, and she has to play by them. Even if most "real democrats" want Hillary, most Democratic voters apperently do not.
3) If only "real democrats" want Hillary to be elected, most "quasi democrats" apperently want Obama, and Republicans generally despise Hillary - how is she going to win again? It's not only "real democrats" who get to vote in elections.
4)
Obama has won 11 of 14 closed primaries. With Hillary eeking out a win in NM and AZ and taking her home state of NY. So if "real democrats" are the measure you wish to go back, Hillary has already lost by a very wide margin. Are you sure we only want to count "real democrats" in closed primaries, because they REALLY hurts your cause.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
just real democrats
1) By implication Obama supporters are not "real democrats," which is the double speak that drives people nuts about the Clinton campaign.
2) Obama didn't make the rules or even influence them, though many on Clinton's staff did and her husband has more pull than anyone. The rules are in place, and she has to play by them. Even if most "real democrats" want Hillary, most Democratic voters apperently do not.
3) If only "real democrats" want Hillary to be elected, most "quasi democrats" apperently want Obama, and Republicans generally despise Hillary - how is she going to win again? It's not only "real democrats" who get to vote in elections.
4) Obama has won 11 of 14 closed primaries. With Hillary eeking out a win in NM and AZ and taking her home state of NY. So if "real democrats" are the measure you wish to go back, Hillary has already lost by a very wide margin. Are you sure we only want to count "real democrats" in closed primaries, because they REALLY hurts your cause.
Hell, Hillary is not even a "real" New Yorker.
I think it is because Obama has not really campaigned in West Virginia. He only made one appearance in the state. They must be too poor and uneducated for him.
I guess he doesn't want to be President of the UNITED States, just President of SELECTED States.
Come to think of it, he only appeared in Oklahoma to go to rich people's homes and pick up campaign donations. No public appearances at all.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I think it is because Obama has not really campaigned in West Virginia. He only made one appearance in the state. They must be too poor and uneducated for him.
I guess he doesn't want to be President of the UNITED States, just President of SELECTED States.
Come to think of it, he only appeared in Oklahoma to go to rich people's homes and pick up campaign donations. No public appearances at all.
I think too many of us were clinging to religion and guns!
Also. . .He knew that she had the state sewed up. She voted for 10 billion dollars in subsidies to the coal industry, and accepted thousands of dollars in lobbies to support it.
Obama didn't stand a chance.
Hillary will do very well in West Virgina. It will be nice for her to exit the race on an upnote, instead of an embarrassment like North Carolina.
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Originally posted by Gaspar
Also. . .He knew that she had the state sewed up. She voted for 10 billion dollars in subsidies to the coal industry, and accepted thousands of dollars in lobbies to support it.
Obama didn't stand a chance.
Untrue. Obama voted for the 2005 Bush/Cheney energy bill that gave 2.6 billion dollars in tax credits to energy companies. Hillary voted against it.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
just real democrats
1) By implication Obama supporters are not "real democrats," which is the double speak that drives people nuts about the Clinton campaign.
2) Obama didn't make the rules or even influence them, though many on Clinton's staff did and her husband has more pull than anyone. The rules are in place, and she has to play by them. Even if most "real democrats" want Hillary, most Democratic voters apperently do not.
3) If only "real democrats" want Hillary to be elected, most "quasi democrats" apperently want Obama, and Republicans generally despise Hillary - how is she going to win again? It's not only "real democrats" who get to vote in elections.
4) Obama has won 11 of 14 closed primaries. With Hillary eeking out a win in NM and AZ and taking her home state of NY. So if "real democrats" are the measure you wish to go back, Hillary has already lost by a very wide margin. Are you sure we only want to count "real democrats" in closed primaries, because they REALLY hurts your cause.
When Recycle Michael says real Democrats he means "real" Democrats. Not Independents and Republicans who some have said have skewed the results in states with open primaries.
Damn it, now I've got that infernal John Denver song going through my head all day.
Thanks for nothing, RM. Way to inadvertently screw your candidate. [;)]
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
just real democrats
1) By implication Obama supporters are not "real democrats," which is the double speak that drives people nuts about the Clinton campaign.
2) Obama didn't make the rules or even influence them, though many on Clinton's staff did and her husband has more pull than anyone. The rules are in place, and she has to play by them. Even if most "real democrats" want Hillary, most Democratic voters apperently do not.
3) If only "real democrats" want Hillary to be elected, most "quasi democrats" apperently want Obama, and Republicans generally despise Hillary - how is she going to win again? It's not only "real democrats" who get to vote in elections.
4) Obama has won 11 of 14 closed primaries. With Hillary eeking out a win in NM and AZ and taking her home state of NY. So if "real democrats" are the measure you wish to go back, Hillary has already lost by a very wide margin. Are you sure we only want to count "real democrats" in closed primaries, because they REALLY hurts your cause.
When Recycle Michael says real Democrats he means "real" Democrats. Not Independents and Republicans who some have said have skewed the results in states with open primaries.
Closed primary = primary where only democrats vote. CF says Obama won 11 of 14 CLOSED PRIMARIES.
I'm not really sure what you are getting at HT. Sorry.
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Not a New Yorker? She was born and raised, went to college and/or law school there, started her career there, raised her family there and got elected to the Senate from there. Lifelong New Yorker and a lifelong Democrat.
On a side note, Hillary lost in her hometown by a blowout. No, not Little Rock. No, not New York. Chicago of course! A lifelong Cubs fan ya' know? Actually, I'm just glad they don't have a MLB team in Arkansas or we'd all be really confused.
Chicago: 1947 - 1965
Mass.: 1965 - 1969
Conn.: 1970 - 1973
Arkansas: 1974 - 1992
D.C.: 1992 - 2001 (White House)
D.C.: 2001 - 2008 (Senate residence)
Just trying to figure out when her time was spent in New York. Grassley (IA Senator) rents office space in my dad's building, the guy is NEVER in town. The notion that a Senator "lives" in their respective state is a bit of a joke.
As proof of the power of a women's scorn, the Republican candidate she worked for was bad mouthed by Nixon, she later volunteered to help with his impeachment. Funny how things work out isn't it?
/random tangents.
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When Recycle Michael says real Democrats he means "real" Democrats. Not Independents and Republicans who some have said have skewed the results in states with open primaries.
Wait. In one argument, you accuse Obama of being the next McGovern and Dukakis... were they not real democrats?
In another argument, you tell us your boyfriend will never vote for Obama... does that make him a "real" democrat?
In another argument, you chide MoveOn.org... are they not "real" democrats?
In another argument, you yearn to leave the Democratic Party so you can vote for a "centrist."
Bill Clinton's constant campaigning in rural areas in North Carolina, West Virginia, etc... will deliver votes for........ John McCain.
I don't remember George H.W. Bush campaigning extensively in every small town in every state for his son...
Please name issues where Obama is to the "left" of Hillary Clinton...
I would argue there's not alot of difference on most issues... and that Obama is actually to the right of HRC on healthcare....
For the woman who grew up in lilly-white Park Ridge, IL to pretend she is somehow Rosie the Riveter while simultaneously branding Obama as "elitist" couldn't be further from the truth...
Can West Virginia with 5 electoral votes, and home of ex-klansman Robert Byrd, be replaced by Nebraska (5) and/or Indiana (11) in the dem column for future presidential elections.... I certainly hope so.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Congratulations to Hillary. She did as well in West Virginia as Obama did in Idaho, Hawaii, Alaska, and Kansas.
Did anyone else find it odd that Edwards got a full 7% of the vote? Funny that in a state that was clearly Hillary's, she lost 7% of the vote to a guy who is not even running.
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Did anyone else find it odd that Edwards got a full 7% of the vote? Funny that in a state that was clearly Hillary's, she lost 7% of the vote to a guy who is not even running.
Hm. Curious. Is it possible that 7% of the voters sent in absentee ballots before Jan 30?
Why do you say that Hillary lost 7% of the vote to Edwards? Did not Obama lose as well? Just like you Obama freaks to pile on Hillary, even when your candidate just got embarrassed.
Maybe 7% of West Virginians didn't like either candidate because of the campaigning.
The media coverage of this race just sickens me. I just read the headlines on Yahoo News. It didn't say that Hillary won by 150,000 votes, the largest percentage win of any of the democratic primaries this year, or that she got 20 of 28 delegates...the headline says "Obama picks up two more superdelegates".
If you want to discuss odd results from West Virginia, explain why Mike Huckabee got 10% and Mitt Rommney got 4% of the vote. John McCain only got 76% of the vote. Does that mean that one quarter of all republcans don't want him as their nominee?
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
If you want to discuss odd results from West Virginia, explain why Mike Huckabee got 10% and Mitt Rommney got 4% of the vote. John McCain only got 76% of the vote. Does that mean that one quarter of all republcans don't want him as their nominee?
Yes. Good news for the democrats.
The reason the media isn't paying much attention is because this was expected. Obama is moving on to the General election, because that is where democrats need to start focusing. Just as Hillary opted not to campaign in certain states, Obama decided that this was not worth the battle--he already will win the most delegates.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Why do you say that Hillary lost 7% of the vote to Edwards? Did not Obama lose as well? Just like you Obama freaks to pile on Hillary, even when your candidate just got embarrassed.
Maybe 7% of West Virginians didn't like either candidate because of the campaigning.
The media coverage of this race just sickens me. I just read the headlines on Yahoo News. It didn't say that Hillary won by 150,000 votes, the largest percentage win of any of the democratic primaries this year, or that she got 20 of 28 delegates...the headline says "Obama picks up two more superdelegates".
If you want to discuss odd results from West Virginia, explain why Mike Huckabee got 10% and Mitt Rommney got 4% of the vote. John McCain only got 76% of the vote. Does that mean that one quarter of all republcans don't want him as their nominee?
The days when the nation gathered around its tv set to watch Walter Cronkite (spelling?) are long gone. Now we listen to news that supports our belief system. When Mathews and Olbermann turned on Clinton with a vengence we dropped them from our nightly schedule and moved over to Campbell Brown on CNN because her coverage of Clinton was much more friendly.
Anyway, I've been waiting to see Obama throw a punch and now that he and McCain are getting into I've been eager to see if his mode of operation would change.
His response to McCain's first big punch: He won't dignify it with a response but points out the wheels are falling off of McCain's bus.
McCain's response to Obama's response. We are appalled by his denigration of old people.
I think, oh my Gawd, another sacred cow, "the Old folks." Here we are tiptoing around afraid to say a d*** thing about Black folks and Old folks.
How about the women? Who is going to show some concern for the women. There's been a lot of talk about "She Devils" and "slithering snakes," and there was FOTD's "Cliton."
Somehow the Clinton Camp has gotten through this campaign so far without making up funny names for Mr. Obama based on his body parts and gender, oh, and race.
When the history of this campaign is written, there are probably going to be a lot of questions asked about what role the media played in handing the election to Obama.
HT - "When the history of this campaign is written, there are probably going to be a lot of questions asked about what role the media played in handing the election to Obama."
Wow. Already rewriting history. Just plain wow. Evidently, Denial ain't just a river in Egypt... Clintonistas play the victim card again...
How 'bout you place blame where it belongs... Mark Penn... Hillary's many campaign personalities... the Clintons' SAY ANYTHING mentality... ???
FREE MANDELA.... SAVE THE WHALES... AND GET SHAMELESS CLINTON HACK LANNY DAVIS OFF THE MEDIA STAGE! [}:)]
An unbiased media proclaimed that Obama gives a good stump speech... the media correctly point out the REAL rules in the dem primary (while still giving Lanny Davis/Howard Wolfson/Terry McAuliffe equal time to spout their spin/propaganda) ...the media point out delegate counts and Obama's insurmountable lead in delegates... only in Clintonland is this considered anti-Clinton bias...
The Hillary-Clinton-inevitablility-machine made the rules in this year's set of primaries, yet refuse to play by them... and have been accused in the past of being media darlings themselves... ironic.
The real "tell" Tuuesday night was the third in a row of special Congressional election victories by Democrats this year. This includes two Deep South Democratic takeovers of Republican seats (Louisiana and Mississippi) and the Democratic takeover of Hastert's district in Illinois.
Democrat Travis Childers won Tuesday's Mississippi special election runoff for Sen. Roger Wicker's (R) former House seat, handing Democrats the biggest of their three special election takeovers this cycle.
All of these districts were not marginal Republican districts; they were large majority Republican districts, considered extremely safe GOP seats. The party is "listless and in disaray." Maybe because Tom Cole is leading their cause. He's not very good.
All this bodes well for the dems and Obama in the fall.....